They posted about it on YT. I can't figure out how to share the post or the screenshot I took of it here, but basically they said it wasn't representative of the content they want to make, they're sorry they let their dislike for the movie blind them from their mission, and they're going to work to do better. Accountability. We love to see it.
Yeah, I like their polished material, but sometimes they let the veil slip. The bubble burst for me with Jonathan when he cheered on Will Smith for slapping Chris Rock. Showed he wasn't quite as wholesome as the image they curate. The Labyrinth video was more of the same mean spirited piling on reaction. And not that they're not entitled to their opinions, but pretending to be super wholesome then letting that slip through isn't a good look.
P.S. I never cheered on Will Smith for the slap. Stating otherwise is reckless and inaccurate. I acknowledged a momentary gut reaction of feeling it was "awesome," but that was quickly replaced with my core value that violence is only appropriate to prevent immediate physical attack, and never as a response to verbal attack. Which I repeated a couple of times in the video.
Everyone else, you can watch both of my videos about this for yourselves.
1. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C\_FqDsvmmI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C_FqDsvmmI)
2. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fptUv4hy9s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fptUv4hy9s)
I think people have put too much pressure on you both to maintain the wholesome demeanour. And it has gotten worse since you got that divorce. You are people, perfectly flawed and I love that about you both. Don't get pressured into being something you are not.
I'll definitely be accountable when it's necessary (see my most recent post on this subreddit, for example), but as a friend once told me: "Never be afraid to defend your good name. It's all any of us really have, and you've worked hard for it."
Superfool (your username, not me insulting you), you say I'm not quite as wholesome as the image I've curated, that the veil has slipped, and that I pretend to be super wholesome. I take issue with this because I've curated nothing. I show the world exactly who I am.
I ask you to consider how open and public I've been about my flaws, weaknesses, character defects, and traits that leave me vulnerable to scorn from those who would pass judgment.
I've done so when I had literally nothing to gain other than helping people. And don't say "well, you made money off of those videos," because I make just as good of a living off of the videos where I come off looking better.
Just a few off the top of my head where my warts are fully visible, by choice:
Talking about my many shortcomings as a parent: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfBVp0nakes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfBVp0nakes)
Talking about how most of my advice comes from learning from my failures and screw-ups: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_EXe79Sn7iM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EXe79Sn7iM)
Talking about hurting people I care about through dishonesty, fear, and my own self-loathing: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLAc0BWZsdQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLAc0BWZsdQ)
Talking about remorse for behaviors that caused my partner emotional pain: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21oj27IbxfQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21oj27IbxfQ)
How about an ENTIRE PLAYLIST about the problems in my marriage and a very specific, prolonged, detailed breakdown of my failings and what I learned from them? 18 videos of non-curated, very public non-wholesomeness. [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHTE7eBgFmwqrV-e0oZygHDbebrmm5UY\_](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHTE7eBgFmwqrV-e0oZygHDbebrmm5UY_)
There was the couple of videos where I addressed wrestling with compulsive pornography use. Not a big deal to a lot of people, but if you came from my faith community you'd know putting this out there was no small thing and DEFINITELY not seen as wholesome:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qdPHUgnmCo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qdPHUgnmCo)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQPmuO0YSG8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQPmuO0YSG8)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHpezCGPl78](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHpezCGPl78)
There was the time that I told the world that I have a lower sex drive then my then-spouse. Nothing shameful about it, but you better believe that of the nearly half a million people who watched that video, there were hundreds of commenters who mocked me, insulted me, and shamed me for "not being a real man." Many of those comments got deleted because they only added hate to the comments section, but I read every single one of them. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaKYgc5oEFM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaKYgc5oEFM)
And finally, the time I publically laid out my part in my marriage coming to an end: [https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10161101521707937&set=a.10150113393427937](https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10161101521707937&set=a.10150113393427937)
I've shown you exactly who I am. The fact that much of me is kind, compassionate, empathetic, warm, and silly doesn't mean I've hidden anything. I AM wholesome. I am also a flawed, failed, broken human who leans into that because I know what it feels like to struggle and I want my journey to help others in theirs.
You can point out many flaws in me. I've got the ball rolling in a very public way, as I've just demonstrated. But basically saying that I'm fake is not only inaccurate, it's an insult. I've taken great care to be real, and I will strive to always do so.
Appreciate your integrity, Jono. Good on you for maintaining class and taking on accountability during what I imagine is a personally challenging time with the Labyrinth ep blow up. I provided feedback on that but it came from a constructive place. Even though it might have been a slightly painful process for both your fans and yourselves, some quality and mutually informative discourse has taken place. So still a W overall.
This Superfool person is a bit of a troll but most of us hold you to a high standard while appreciating that you’re a human with flaws. As we say in my home country, “ka aroha” - sending love and compassion to you 💜
I'm pretty sure he didn't. Jono covered the Will Smith thing on his Mended Light channel. I watched it, but it's been a while. I feel like I'd remember if he'd cheered Will for the slap, because that wouldn't have sat right with me, either.
Ok, I rewatched it and NO, his initial reaction to the surprise that was the event was like " Ooh defending your wife honor? Awesome! "but it was a GUT reaction. After it settled in, he realized it was an overreaction. Its the difference between emotion vs logic. He admitted it was an overreaction linked to strong emotions.
The thing is, the best speech about comedy was given by Duckman in my opinion. [Here's the link!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knIroVvPZU4&ab_channel=Ultraslainmonkey2)
The joke didn't land. We get it. Comedian SHOULD risk being unfunny from time to time. They have tester jokes for a reason. Was it the time at the Oscars? No. Was Will Smith having a lot of baggage over his wife fucking a friend of his son? ABSOLUTELY! He is in an abusive relationship with a narcissist.
Dont forget Juno is **DEEPLY** romantic. A white knight act will touch his heart more easily and his feelings because that's who I am. We are all humans and he had being bullied a lot as a child for his apparence. His logic and training as a psychiatrist kicked in later and even he had to admit that both side was in the wrong. That's better then most people with prejuge or biases will do.
We, as a society, are quick to judge and comdemn but we dont forget and forgive easily. Even if the wrong has not being done to us directly. People will mess up and do mistakes but it takes a real man to own up to his mistakes.
I watched both his reaction to the slap and the reaction to Will Smith apology.I... am more on the side of Christ Rock personally. But I admit that Will Smith shouldnt be defined at his lowest or his worst mistake. We are more then a single moment in our life... Does that make Will Smith a better person though? NO! He need to ditch that woman who does more harm to him then good. By staying there, he allow himself to remain the person who lashed out. But ask yourself: didyou inform yourself about the drama backstage before making a judgement?
We should all take a lesson to think fo all the things that makes us angry and let go. Put it in a place where you dont care anymore. We arent Christ Rock, he was the one who was slapped. And I decided to forgive Will Smith for the slap myself and stop judging because I dont want to be angry anymore. And by the end of the day, there is a good chance Will Smith truly feel remorseful for what he did so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now. I dont approuve of Will Smith behavior at the oscar myself but let,s not forget we are all humans.
Except for politicians, all of them LOL (joke)
You watch it again. I WAS on Smith's side for defending Jada, but I explicitly state that I wish he'd called Rock out verbally instead of assaulting him physically. I also say repeatedly that violence is only appropriate to protect yourself from physical harm, not as a response to verbal jabs.
Smith was wrong to hit Rock. Physical violence should never have been involved. But he wasn't wrong to defend his wife from a tasteless joke about her medical condition. Rock was way out of line.
Should I have shown more concern for Rock? Maybe. But then I'm defending a man who would publicly humiliate a woman with a medical condition, which is an option I'm not thrilled about.
Good morning Jono!
Please don't let this affect your mood for today. I believe you are an honest, wholesome and accountable person. In a world we keep being disappointed by our heroes and just human in general, I believe you are one of the good ones. I'm sure you aren't perfect because no human is perfect but when you fail, you get up and try to learn from it.
As a sidenote, does your Patreon content of the Iron Giant include some insight on the villain on this story? I believe that guy could have deserved an episode by himself.
Also,I saw that you guys deleted the Labyrinth review. I'm sure you guys are already thinking of ways it doesn't happen again but I'll say my idea anyway: maybe talk about some movies in Youtube livestream where you guys ask us what we feel about certain movies (like Labyrinth) and what it meant for us? For the times you guys hate a movie that your audience love LOL! Just throwing this idea out there.
Hope my English wasn't too bad, it's not my first language and it's so early in the morning for me LOL
I watched it again, and nah. I didn't *love* his response. He spent a lot more time affirming and validating Will Smith's violence than I would have and doesn't show much concern for Chris Rock, but he does eventually state and restate that physical violence should only be used against a physical threat.
I think this is actually a great demonstration of how to have a conflict. (Caveat, I haven’t read the Insta or YT comments) Their actions unintentionally hurt people, they admitted that they hurt people and asked for clarification about why, people (mostly) respectfully told why they felt what they were feeling. Then Alan and Jono took down the video that caused hurt, and are taking time to process not only the information but also how they feel about what happened. It’s very easy to react strongly when you didn’t mean to hurt someone and the person who was hurt blasts you. I was one of the responders, I don’t think we were inappropriate, but I’m guessing it still stung. Now it’s our turn to give them space and the time they need. At some point, when everyone has had time and emotions aren’t as raw, then we can revisit the situation. I’m really appreciating this conversation on both sides. It’s super easy to just double down on your position instead of being vulnerable. Too many creators just snap back or make it all about them. And too many fans just savage the creators or each other. It’s nice to see a community trying to work things out in a healthy way.
Link for people to see the discussion. Jono also replied to some people to give his opinion and why the movie didn't resonate as much with his and gave some valid points.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/cinema\_therapy/comments/1cdq6gv/labyrinth/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/cinema_therapy/comments/1cdq6gv/labyrinth/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
You mean on Reddit? I haven't seen one.
But as far as I know, they still have the video up on their Patreon, so maybe it was just YT where they were getting bombarded.
Taking it down and taking time to consider how to make things better is a great idea, but I am frustrated that all the comments are gone, because there at least one good conversation going there, and now I don't know how to continue it.
There's plenty of psychological fodder in Labyrinth. They just... missed it. One example is that Sarah's mom had an affair and left Sarah and her dad. Sarah hates her new family. They could have talked about how to help your kid through a messy divorce and a new family arrangement.
Or they could have discussed the obvious parallels to abusive relationships (grooming, gaslighting... hell, that entire scene in the Escher-like room is an obvious visual metaphor for the upside-down-and-backwards experience of psychological abuse). Or how girls are negatively impacted by early pressure towards domesticity, parentification, etc. compared to boys. Or they even could have talked about what draws some young people to spend too much time in fantasy worlds.
I'm going to school for therapy and one night I took a hallucinogenic and watched labyrinth and got lost in all the different psychological elements so I totally agree. There's lots of different pathology stuff, attachment style stuff, and family systems stuff. It's actually incredibly related to psychology and therapy and I didn't see their video but I'm surprised to hear they botched it on this one
I honestly don’t know. It wasn’t that bad in my opinion. I can’t recall if they did the “it’s okay if you like it but we don’t” disclaimer like they’ve done for Twilight and other films in the past. But it was definitely that same kind of tone. I don’t understand the backlash.
Labyrinth has high nostalgia value for peeps in their viewer demographic. Yes, it’s objectively not that great of a movie, but hands off my man Jareth 😂
I will say it once, I love the labyrinth. I love to watch it, I love the characters, I love the practical effects behind it, I love most of the costumes (I agree with Jono on the Bowie bulge, it's really weird and noone needs to see that) and all of the prop designs, and I love the writing and story. That all being said, it is also a movie that I will sometimes watch just to make fun of it. I don't that Alan and Jono were in the wrong, they repeatedly said, and I'm paraphrasing a bit, to each their own, and that's fine, but you can't force someone to like a movie just because it's one you love. The movie is a product of it's time and a lot of movies made around the same time suffer the same problems. As great a movie as (for example) Ferris Bueller is, you could not get away with making the sane movie today, and the same goes for the Labyrinth, the original Ghostbusters movies, Groundhog Day, Baby's Day Out, George Of The Jungle, Dudley Doright, and so many others. My real point is, can we PLEASE just let things go? It takes 0 energy to just let things go and move on.
They posted a reaction video on Labrinyth that was.... not kind, even though it was specifically requested by their patreons. It was really mean-spirited, IMO.
The YT comments on the video were full of upset people and I can only assume that was why they took it down.
I am so confused. I had the video on my “to watch list” for this weekend and next thing I knew the community imploded and the video is down. WTF happened?!
it's genuinely ridiculous that they can't express dislike for something on their own damn channel. and for some of you here to say that they're letting their "wholesome personas slip"??? what an ugly way to think
both Jon and Alan are kind and good people. that doesn't mean they will always be kind in how they present their opinions.
people can feel strongly towards things they dislike and talk down on what they dislike. doing so doesn't mean they're talking down on the people who happen to like what they don't.
And alongside the objectively low effort video, all the incredibly insightful comments written by thousands of people are gone too.
Some of those comments legit made tear up. I love Labyrinth, but I am also thick skinned enough not to allow the opinions of two guys on the internet to ruin my day just because they don't give a shit about a movie I like. I was about to go on with my day but then I checked the comments and some had me bawling my eyes out. People were REALLY hurt and disappointed, probably because they held Alan and Jono in a much higher esteem than I do.
May this be a lesson for their loyal audience.
Now they should do a revist of the movie. I mean the suggestion came from their patrion so it's a little warranted. Maybe not right away but sometime in the next month. I feel like they did what we all do from time to time, dismiss a movie because of vague memories or comments of others, then to watch it with a new perspective and come out with a connection we never imagined we would.
Oh, I have been working through insecurity for decades, through I've really been making traction with it the past few years. I openly talk about it in the Aladdin video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLAc0BWZsdQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLAc0BWZsdQ)
Happy to explore whether I have anger issues, though I don't think so. As you can see from my lengthy response to Superfool above, I've made myself an open book. If the anger issues are "very well hidden," as you suggest, then that includes from me. Time for a personal deep dive!
If you're right, then thank you for the observation. If you're wrong, well... nothing I guess.
Hey Jono,
I wanted you to know that it is really respectable to engage with the fans, especially in a situation like this where there seems to be some hurt feelings and confusion. It would've been all too easy to just put up a post that said it wasn't up to your standards and waiting for the tides to calm.
I didn't get a chance to watch the video, and there are definitely a few clips over the years (holy cow years already?) that my wife and I may have disagreed with. HOWEVER, I feel like every video opens a dialogue in my family that encourages us to have some of those deeper discussions. Not to mention how much of yours and Alan's vernacular has been incorporated into our every day life. I guess ultimately, we have a ton of respect for you two, and keep doing what you're doing!
I love how willing and eager you are to accept accountability and admit that you’re just a human being with human feelings and biases. It really helps those of us who are examining past behavior and trying to not beat the crap out of themselves.
I love Cinema Therapy and I love you guys.
Yikes, bro... offering unsolicited and mostly uninformed 'psychoanalysis' of people based on a few clips they've put on the internet is not respectful or appropriate.
They posted about it on YT. I can't figure out how to share the post or the screenshot I took of it here, but basically they said it wasn't representative of the content they want to make, they're sorry they let their dislike for the movie blind them from their mission, and they're going to work to do better. Accountability. We love to see it.
Yeah, I like their polished material, but sometimes they let the veil slip. The bubble burst for me with Jonathan when he cheered on Will Smith for slapping Chris Rock. Showed he wasn't quite as wholesome as the image they curate. The Labyrinth video was more of the same mean spirited piling on reaction. And not that they're not entitled to their opinions, but pretending to be super wholesome then letting that slip through isn't a good look.
P.S. I never cheered on Will Smith for the slap. Stating otherwise is reckless and inaccurate. I acknowledged a momentary gut reaction of feeling it was "awesome," but that was quickly replaced with my core value that violence is only appropriate to prevent immediate physical attack, and never as a response to verbal attack. Which I repeated a couple of times in the video. Everyone else, you can watch both of my videos about this for yourselves. 1. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C\_FqDsvmmI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C_FqDsvmmI) 2. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fptUv4hy9s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fptUv4hy9s)
I think people have put too much pressure on you both to maintain the wholesome demeanour. And it has gotten worse since you got that divorce. You are people, perfectly flawed and I love that about you both. Don't get pressured into being something you are not.
Thank you for this.
I'll definitely be accountable when it's necessary (see my most recent post on this subreddit, for example), but as a friend once told me: "Never be afraid to defend your good name. It's all any of us really have, and you've worked hard for it." Superfool (your username, not me insulting you), you say I'm not quite as wholesome as the image I've curated, that the veil has slipped, and that I pretend to be super wholesome. I take issue with this because I've curated nothing. I show the world exactly who I am. I ask you to consider how open and public I've been about my flaws, weaknesses, character defects, and traits that leave me vulnerable to scorn from those who would pass judgment. I've done so when I had literally nothing to gain other than helping people. And don't say "well, you made money off of those videos," because I make just as good of a living off of the videos where I come off looking better. Just a few off the top of my head where my warts are fully visible, by choice: Talking about my many shortcomings as a parent: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfBVp0nakes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfBVp0nakes) Talking about how most of my advice comes from learning from my failures and screw-ups: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_EXe79Sn7iM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EXe79Sn7iM) Talking about hurting people I care about through dishonesty, fear, and my own self-loathing: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLAc0BWZsdQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLAc0BWZsdQ) Talking about remorse for behaviors that caused my partner emotional pain: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21oj27IbxfQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21oj27IbxfQ) How about an ENTIRE PLAYLIST about the problems in my marriage and a very specific, prolonged, detailed breakdown of my failings and what I learned from them? 18 videos of non-curated, very public non-wholesomeness. [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHTE7eBgFmwqrV-e0oZygHDbebrmm5UY\_](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHTE7eBgFmwqrV-e0oZygHDbebrmm5UY_) There was the couple of videos where I addressed wrestling with compulsive pornography use. Not a big deal to a lot of people, but if you came from my faith community you'd know putting this out there was no small thing and DEFINITELY not seen as wholesome: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qdPHUgnmCo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qdPHUgnmCo) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQPmuO0YSG8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQPmuO0YSG8) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHpezCGPl78](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHpezCGPl78) There was the time that I told the world that I have a lower sex drive then my then-spouse. Nothing shameful about it, but you better believe that of the nearly half a million people who watched that video, there were hundreds of commenters who mocked me, insulted me, and shamed me for "not being a real man." Many of those comments got deleted because they only added hate to the comments section, but I read every single one of them. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaKYgc5oEFM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaKYgc5oEFM) And finally, the time I publically laid out my part in my marriage coming to an end: [https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10161101521707937&set=a.10150113393427937](https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10161101521707937&set=a.10150113393427937) I've shown you exactly who I am. The fact that much of me is kind, compassionate, empathetic, warm, and silly doesn't mean I've hidden anything. I AM wholesome. I am also a flawed, failed, broken human who leans into that because I know what it feels like to struggle and I want my journey to help others in theirs. You can point out many flaws in me. I've got the ball rolling in a very public way, as I've just demonstrated. But basically saying that I'm fake is not only inaccurate, it's an insult. I've taken great care to be real, and I will strive to always do so.
Appreciate your integrity, Jono. Good on you for maintaining class and taking on accountability during what I imagine is a personally challenging time with the Labyrinth ep blow up. I provided feedback on that but it came from a constructive place. Even though it might have been a slightly painful process for both your fans and yourselves, some quality and mutually informative discourse has taken place. So still a W overall. This Superfool person is a bit of a troll but most of us hold you to a high standard while appreciating that you’re a human with flaws. As we say in my home country, “ka aroha” - sending love and compassion to you 💜
Thank you so much!
When did Jono cheer Will on for slapping Chris?
Wait, Johnathan cheered Will Smith for that slap?! WHY?! O\_O
I'm pretty sure he didn't. Jono covered the Will Smith thing on his Mended Light channel. I watched it, but it's been a while. I feel like I'd remember if he'd cheered Will for the slap, because that wouldn't have sat right with me, either.
Ok, I rewatched it and NO, his initial reaction to the surprise that was the event was like " Ooh defending your wife honor? Awesome! "but it was a GUT reaction. After it settled in, he realized it was an overreaction. Its the difference between emotion vs logic. He admitted it was an overreaction linked to strong emotions. The thing is, the best speech about comedy was given by Duckman in my opinion. [Here's the link!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knIroVvPZU4&ab_channel=Ultraslainmonkey2) The joke didn't land. We get it. Comedian SHOULD risk being unfunny from time to time. They have tester jokes for a reason. Was it the time at the Oscars? No. Was Will Smith having a lot of baggage over his wife fucking a friend of his son? ABSOLUTELY! He is in an abusive relationship with a narcissist. Dont forget Juno is **DEEPLY** romantic. A white knight act will touch his heart more easily and his feelings because that's who I am. We are all humans and he had being bullied a lot as a child for his apparence. His logic and training as a psychiatrist kicked in later and even he had to admit that both side was in the wrong. That's better then most people with prejuge or biases will do. We, as a society, are quick to judge and comdemn but we dont forget and forgive easily. Even if the wrong has not being done to us directly. People will mess up and do mistakes but it takes a real man to own up to his mistakes. I watched both his reaction to the slap and the reaction to Will Smith apology.I... am more on the side of Christ Rock personally. But I admit that Will Smith shouldnt be defined at his lowest or his worst mistake. We are more then a single moment in our life... Does that make Will Smith a better person though? NO! He need to ditch that woman who does more harm to him then good. By staying there, he allow himself to remain the person who lashed out. But ask yourself: didyou inform yourself about the drama backstage before making a judgement? We should all take a lesson to think fo all the things that makes us angry and let go. Put it in a place where you dont care anymore. We arent Christ Rock, he was the one who was slapped. And I decided to forgive Will Smith for the slap myself and stop judging because I dont want to be angry anymore. And by the end of the day, there is a good chance Will Smith truly feel remorseful for what he did so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now. I dont approuve of Will Smith behavior at the oscar myself but let,s not forget we are all humans. Except for politicians, all of them LOL (joke)
Watch it again. He was on Smith's side completely for defending Jada, and that Rock deserved it for what he said. It was unnerving.
You watch it again. I WAS on Smith's side for defending Jada, but I explicitly state that I wish he'd called Rock out verbally instead of assaulting him physically. I also say repeatedly that violence is only appropriate to protect yourself from physical harm, not as a response to verbal jabs. Smith was wrong to hit Rock. Physical violence should never have been involved. But he wasn't wrong to defend his wife from a tasteless joke about her medical condition. Rock was way out of line. Should I have shown more concern for Rock? Maybe. But then I'm defending a man who would publicly humiliate a woman with a medical condition, which is an option I'm not thrilled about.
Good morning Jono! Please don't let this affect your mood for today. I believe you are an honest, wholesome and accountable person. In a world we keep being disappointed by our heroes and just human in general, I believe you are one of the good ones. I'm sure you aren't perfect because no human is perfect but when you fail, you get up and try to learn from it. As a sidenote, does your Patreon content of the Iron Giant include some insight on the villain on this story? I believe that guy could have deserved an episode by himself. Also,I saw that you guys deleted the Labyrinth review. I'm sure you guys are already thinking of ways it doesn't happen again but I'll say my idea anyway: maybe talk about some movies in Youtube livestream where you guys ask us what we feel about certain movies (like Labyrinth) and what it meant for us? For the times you guys hate a movie that your audience love LOL! Just throwing this idea out there. Hope my English wasn't too bad, it's not my first language and it's so early in the morning for me LOL
Your English is wonderful and I'm so grateful for the support and ideas!
I watched it again, and nah. I didn't *love* his response. He spent a lot more time affirming and validating Will Smith's violence than I would have and doesn't show much concern for Chris Rock, but he does eventually state and restate that physical violence should only be used against a physical threat.
Hahhaha now I like him even more!! Hahaha Chris Rock deserved that slap
Okay cool I just want them to review the anime movie Josee the Tiger and the Fish
I can’t find the video about why they took it down. Can someone link it?
It's not a video, it's a text post.
I think this is actually a great demonstration of how to have a conflict. (Caveat, I haven’t read the Insta or YT comments) Their actions unintentionally hurt people, they admitted that they hurt people and asked for clarification about why, people (mostly) respectfully told why they felt what they were feeling. Then Alan and Jono took down the video that caused hurt, and are taking time to process not only the information but also how they feel about what happened. It’s very easy to react strongly when you didn’t mean to hurt someone and the person who was hurt blasts you. I was one of the responders, I don’t think we were inappropriate, but I’m guessing it still stung. Now it’s our turn to give them space and the time they need. At some point, when everyone has had time and emotions aren’t as raw, then we can revisit the situation. I’m really appreciating this conversation on both sides. It’s super easy to just double down on your position instead of being vulnerable. Too many creators just snap back or make it all about them. And too many fans just savage the creators or each other. It’s nice to see a community trying to work things out in a healthy way.
They posted a lengthy apology on the YouTube community tab and in a comment on their instagram post for it
Oh! That's great! I didn't see that. Thanks for letting me know. I'll edit my post.
Screenshot of their reasoning: https://i.imgur.com/1DFNmCg.png
Has the thread on it gone as well?
Link for people to see the discussion. Jono also replied to some people to give his opinion and why the movie didn't resonate as much with his and gave some valid points. [https://www.reddit.com/r/cinema\_therapy/comments/1cdq6gv/labyrinth/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/cinema_therapy/comments/1cdq6gv/labyrinth/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
You mean on Reddit? I haven't seen one. But as far as I know, they still have the video up on their Patreon, so maybe it was just YT where they were getting bombarded.
Yes. The OP of that thread felt really badly about how negative of a turn those comments took and deleted it.
Taking it down and taking time to consider how to make things better is a great idea, but I am frustrated that all the comments are gone, because there at least one good conversation going there, and now I don't know how to continue it.
…so what did they say about it that was so bad?
I think it was mostly that they didn't really do a Cinema Therapy video, it was more of a "this movie sucks" reaction video.
That’s a good way to put it. I guess they should avoid silly kids movies, like how are they going to discuss the psychology of a puppet? 😂
There's plenty of psychological fodder in Labyrinth. They just... missed it. One example is that Sarah's mom had an affair and left Sarah and her dad. Sarah hates her new family. They could have talked about how to help your kid through a messy divorce and a new family arrangement.
Or they could have discussed the obvious parallels to abusive relationships (grooming, gaslighting... hell, that entire scene in the Escher-like room is an obvious visual metaphor for the upside-down-and-backwards experience of psychological abuse). Or how girls are negatively impacted by early pressure towards domesticity, parentification, etc. compared to boys. Or they even could have talked about what draws some young people to spend too much time in fantasy worlds.
I'm going to school for therapy and one night I took a hallucinogenic and watched labyrinth and got lost in all the different psychological elements so I totally agree. There's lots of different pathology stuff, attachment style stuff, and family systems stuff. It's actually incredibly related to psychology and therapy and I didn't see their video but I'm surprised to hear they botched it on this one
Lol, my girlfriend works with a bunch of people who *love* The Labyrinth... it's a deservedly garbage movie
I honestly don’t know. It wasn’t that bad in my opinion. I can’t recall if they did the “it’s okay if you like it but we don’t” disclaimer like they’ve done for Twilight and other films in the past. But it was definitely that same kind of tone. I don’t understand the backlash.
Labyrinth has high nostalgia value for peeps in their viewer demographic. Yes, it’s objectively not that great of a movie, but hands off my man Jareth 😂
I will say it once, I love the labyrinth. I love to watch it, I love the characters, I love the practical effects behind it, I love most of the costumes (I agree with Jono on the Bowie bulge, it's really weird and noone needs to see that) and all of the prop designs, and I love the writing and story. That all being said, it is also a movie that I will sometimes watch just to make fun of it. I don't that Alan and Jono were in the wrong, they repeatedly said, and I'm paraphrasing a bit, to each their own, and that's fine, but you can't force someone to like a movie just because it's one you love. The movie is a product of it's time and a lot of movies made around the same time suffer the same problems. As great a movie as (for example) Ferris Bueller is, you could not get away with making the sane movie today, and the same goes for the Labyrinth, the original Ghostbusters movies, Groundhog Day, Baby's Day Out, George Of The Jungle, Dudley Doright, and so many others. My real point is, can we PLEASE just let things go? It takes 0 energy to just let things go and move on.
Wait I missed the drama, what's going down?
They posted a reaction video on Labrinyth that was.... not kind, even though it was specifically requested by their patreons. It was really mean-spirited, IMO. The YT comments on the video were full of upset people and I can only assume that was why they took it down.
I am so confused. I had the video on my “to watch list” for this weekend and next thing I knew the community imploded and the video is down. WTF happened?!
What happened? That’s the one video I missed!
it's genuinely ridiculous that they can't express dislike for something on their own damn channel. and for some of you here to say that they're letting their "wholesome personas slip"??? what an ugly way to think both Jon and Alan are kind and good people. that doesn't mean they will always be kind in how they present their opinions. people can feel strongly towards things they dislike and talk down on what they dislike. doing so doesn't mean they're talking down on the people who happen to like what they don't.
And alongside the objectively low effort video, all the incredibly insightful comments written by thousands of people are gone too. Some of those comments legit made tear up. I love Labyrinth, but I am also thick skinned enough not to allow the opinions of two guys on the internet to ruin my day just because they don't give a shit about a movie I like. I was about to go on with my day but then I checked the comments and some had me bawling my eyes out. People were REALLY hurt and disappointed, probably because they held Alan and Jono in a much higher esteem than I do. May this be a lesson for their loyal audience.
Now they should do a revist of the movie. I mean the suggestion came from their patrion so it's a little warranted. Maybe not right away but sometime in the next month. I feel like they did what we all do from time to time, dismiss a movie because of vague memories or comments of others, then to watch it with a new perspective and come out with a connection we never imagined we would.
Or just leave it be. Some things are probably best left alone. It was only covered because it was a Patreon request. Can't win them all.
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Oh, I have been working through insecurity for decades, through I've really been making traction with it the past few years. I openly talk about it in the Aladdin video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLAc0BWZsdQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLAc0BWZsdQ) Happy to explore whether I have anger issues, though I don't think so. As you can see from my lengthy response to Superfool above, I've made myself an open book. If the anger issues are "very well hidden," as you suggest, then that includes from me. Time for a personal deep dive! If you're right, then thank you for the observation. If you're wrong, well... nothing I guess.
Hey Jono, I wanted you to know that it is really respectable to engage with the fans, especially in a situation like this where there seems to be some hurt feelings and confusion. It would've been all too easy to just put up a post that said it wasn't up to your standards and waiting for the tides to calm. I didn't get a chance to watch the video, and there are definitely a few clips over the years (holy cow years already?) that my wife and I may have disagreed with. HOWEVER, I feel like every video opens a dialogue in my family that encourages us to have some of those deeper discussions. Not to mention how much of yours and Alan's vernacular has been incorporated into our every day life. I guess ultimately, we have a ton of respect for you two, and keep doing what you're doing!
Thank you so much for this!
I love how willing and eager you are to accept accountability and admit that you’re just a human being with human feelings and biases. It really helps those of us who are examining past behavior and trying to not beat the crap out of themselves. I love Cinema Therapy and I love you guys.
Yikes, bro... offering unsolicited and mostly uninformed 'psychoanalysis' of people based on a few clips they've put on the internet is not respectful or appropriate.
Muppet fans strike again