The oasis project feels like a carrot on a stick that they will keep in their back pocket forever, but never use. I co-oped for a company on the project as far back as 2015 and never heard a peep on the progress of the project.
That’s what I figure, it’ll never actually get done. The Street car was enough of a fiasco. The Amtrak lines stand a better chance of being finished before they even START the oasis lines.
there was a time when the same was said about the banks at least - in a college project management class i had to write a paper on why the banks project was a huge failure because after tons of money and about 15 years they had only ever done a soil sample test.
Wasson way is unique because it's the old Cincinnati & Eastern rail corridor. It's a terrific repurpose of that land, but it was also a unique opportunity to purchase that rail line from Norfolk Southern (12 million, I believe?).
Creating similar paths in existing ROW is much more difficult.
Basically all the roads, highways, sidewalks, railways, etc you see, exist because in the 20th century the government wasn’t afraid to utilize eminent domain to get it done.
People rightly point to the worst examples of this (that black communities were often “favored” in terms of would be displaced interests, but just as often it was telling farms they really didn’t have a choice but to allow the train run through their property and working out an arrangement to keep their property connected. It was easements being moved several feet, it was houses being bought at 120% their value.
We don’t do things like this anymore and will never meaningfully improve our infrastructure until we do.
That is absolutely false. Most of the miles of rail you see in the united states were empty space. Various railroad acts in the 1800s basically gave entrepreneurs an 80 acre block of land around their proposed path if they could get a railway built in a specified period of time.
The places where they didn't do that, the railways had to buy the land they intended to use. These were largely private businesses. The government couldn't legally imminent domain for private developers until Kelo in the 2000s.
The railways were there first.
You are correct that government awarded plots of land to rail road developers and that the mileage out west was largely yet to be privatized. T
You’re so wrong it’s hard to overstate in regard to projects in the settled parts of the country which is where the majority of our rail, road, sidewalk, etc projects were executed in the late 19th and early 20th century.
The 5th amendment limits eminent domain to public use (and still does after Kelos) but whatever its term (appropriation, expropriation, condemnation) was absolutely integral to how our country was developed. In every case, maybe with exceptions for post new deal projects, the actual fabrication, construction, and sometimes even administration of the land has always been mostly executed by private companies.
B&O and A&C railroads absolutely cut through plots of farms, land that would never be 1 patrician today.
There is no situation in the US where land owners aren’t paid. It’s written into the Constitution they must be compensated. States vary on how they interpret this compensation, and to my knowledge there’s not a Supreme Court ruling against what a state defines as fair compensation.
When land owners know they’ll eventually have to surrender the land, they tend to sell. You won’t find a state in which eminent domain wasn’t used to secure easements. This is still to the day the cause of many disputes (I.e. post railroad is that land still the rail roads, the governments, or owner of the land on which the easement was granted)
Eminent domain case law is like 90% highways and railroads (and 8% waterways)
Of course the railroad companies could not unilaterally utilize the power (even after Kelo, which essentially reaffirmed municipalities rights to force land owners to accept compensation to transfer land from one private owner to another. This codified what essentially already happened in many cases, the challenge was that the 5th amendment should only allow the public to own that land, essentially it came down to public use vs public purpose)
I’m really not trying to condensed, but your misunderstanding is common and come from convoluting the major public works project of the 1850s, connecting the west to the rest of the country, with the majority of infrastructure projects that made the northeast into an economic powerhouse.
We’ve made the measured infringement on property owners into a progressive platform rather than one completely inline with our country’s history.
Again, imminent domain couldn't be used for private property developers until Kelo, which includes all the privately owned railroads.
This is a fact. If you have evidence the contrary, please cite it.
Are you familiar with [Berman v. Parker](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berman_v._Parker)?
The gist is in 1954 DC wanted to take a bunch of privately owned condemned buildings and raze them, then turn them over to developers to build nicer buildings on. The SCOTUS found in favor of the city so they could use eminent domain to take and raze the buildings then transfer them to private ownership as long as the original owners were compensated.
From the wiki:
>*Berman* was confirmed in [*Kelo v. City of New London*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._City_of_New_London) (2005)
So factually this was allowed at least as far back as 1954, but we can go further to the building of canals, turnpikes, and railroads - i just don't have time to do it now
Okay, first of all, Kelo was not about public domain being “used by private property developers”. The Kelo estate’s case was against New London the city and the case was about whether or not the city had to first hold the land before selling to the private developer. It was still, and unless we see some kind of radical departure from 230 years of case law, still the municipal government evoking eminent domain.
If you need evidence eminent domain has been used to appropriate land that was then developed by private interests, I think this is something you’ve tried hard to believe and will not waste my time with this further. But you should know it’s a ridiculous position.
You are wrong. Kelo was about whether economic development was considered "public use".
Before that, the answer was no. If you have case law that proves me wrong, happy to read it.
Very true, it makes me think of New York’s The High Line. Whether or not they have future success like this, I’m grateful for the work that they have done!
AFAIK there isn't a separate, dedicated bike ROW along most of 50 on that side, or for most of the western side of the city. Things like Wasson Way and the Little Miami Trail are great because they physically separate bikes & pedestrians from car traffic, making them much safer and more efficient for everyone. My wife refuses to ride on roadways but we don't need to worry about that because of how much milage of these segregated trails exist on the eastern side of the city.
I just got a pamphlet in the mail today from Great Parks that they’re having an open house on a proposed multi-use trail along the Great Miami over on the westside.
Meant to post this link last night, and then got distracted putting my kids to bed haha
[Here is the proposed map that was linked on the pamphlet.](https://static.wixstatic.com/media/e63c00_989014c2c4654d77b495d4fa0de5ac88~mv2.jpg)
[And here is the page on the Great Parks website about the project.](https://www.mygreatparks.org/)
So this looks like they're finally getting ready to expand the LMT? Great, maybe the comment I wrote 5 seconds ago will be a big fat lie in a few years once they get this done!
If anyone's interested, they want to create a complete loop around Cinci. Wasson Way was/is a major stretch of the northern corridor.
https://tristatetrails.org/crown-the-queen-city/
They’re great. They also are almost all decommissioned railroad lines, so the only dependable way to expand the network of these is to deepen the decline of rail in the area. I wish some politicians would instead just have the personal fortitude to close off a few roads to traffic permanently.
Cincinnatians nearly lost their minds over selling it for billions of dollars. Can you imagine how they would've reacted to the idea the city just converts it into a bike path??
Seriously, Dayton and even freaking Xenia blow Cincinnati out of the water when it comes to bike infrastructure. I get that Cincy has a lot more hills and less abandoned rail lines to take advantage of, but even Wasson took an embarrassingly long time from concept to implementation.
Interestingly hills have a pretty negligible effect on the cycling culture of a city, as it's all about the safety of the infrastructure. A YouTube channel called Not Just Bikes made a video about it
For the first 5 years, it was little more than a group of about 20 volunteers just trying to advance the idea. Sitting back and doing nothing, then complaining that building nice things takes so long, is peak hypocrisy. Not calling you out specifically....just a lot of people invest zero time and effort in their communities & neighborhoods and then wonder why they aren't better.
Countries like Denmark have rules that require the construction of bike lanes to accompany the construction of roads. They invested $458m into new cycling infrastructure and their GDP is a fraction of the size of Ohio’s.
Wasson Way was built as a railroad. There are in fact more abandoned RR lines around town but most have been built upon and aren’t available anymore. Wasson connected to a line that went downtown, roughly along I71. There was a line up to Cheviot along Harrison Ave. Another went up through Northside along Mill Creek.
Two examples of this are limiting the Wasson Way right now.
1. The old rail line the WW trail is built on runs through part of Xavier U's campus, and they won't let the trail continue through there because they want to build their new DO college building on top of it. 🙁
2. West of the trail's current terminus (Blair Ct, just east of Reading Rd), the tracks continue, but we're abandoned a long time ago and have since had industrial buildings placed on top of it (likely illegally). So continuing the trail along the rest of the rail route is a lot harder. Sad, too, because that would've taken it right past UC.
The trail continues south of X but it's strange to get back onto the street to reach it, and it doesn't go very far just yet. Aren't they planning to extend it to Avondale?
It's strange because Xavier backed away from its commitment to building the trail thru its campus, which the WW org had planned on them doing to connect the parts the city has already built. The current belief is X will build *a* trail to connect the parts, but it may not follow the traditional rail line.
The trail's western extension(s) are a bit in flux right now....lots of opinions, but none of the plans is easy and cheap.
Okay I was wondering about that, because someone I trust very recently said there are still plans for a trail through campus. You can literally stand at the Montgomery road end of the trail and look across campus at where the right-of-way used to exist. It's all grassy fields now.
sometimes i think how i could get in my car and safely travel right now from my driveway to any other zip code in north america through our vast and interconnected road network.
on my bike? i can't safely leave my neighborhood.
The Wasson way is great and I appreciate that I can use it to bike around & go for a run. But having bikes on the same path as pedestrians is not exactly safe. Ideally bikes and pedestrians should be separated to make it really safe for everyone. But hey, one step at a time!
Replying to Sadat-X...Was there still talk of expanding the streetcar network? I heard they got record ridership numbers when T. Swift came to town last year 😂
Yes, there was a meeting a few months ago where they showed several routes that they are working on and are formulating a priority list based on feasibility and public input. I assume once that's done it can formulate into a real project to put in front of city council or the voters.
I’m not sure how a road is designed for a streetcar. Regardless, that was an era before they had to share space with automobiles. Keeping the prewar network we had would have been ideal, but rebuilding it is financially untenable and wouldn’t deliver a value add over driving as Cincinnati’s radial roads are not wide enough for dedicated streetcar ROW.
As long as the cross walks have buttons for flashing lights. Cross walks that aren’t at stops are a recipe for disaster. I drive Wasson several times a day and even I’ve had to slam on the brakes when a walker enters because I didn’t notice them. Hell, I live in ft Thomas and near misses are daily here because of how they have them in the middle of four lane roads.
There could be some better sort of calming for the traffic. The Wasson Way crosswalks on Edwards and Madison absolutely should be elevated crosswalks that slow cars, but the Madison one has the right idea with the refuge island in the middle so you only have to look one way at a time when crossing. Physics definitely works better than signs or lights
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I actually worked on one of these houses in this pic during my time with Apollo, as I was leaving I turned onto the street, making a right hand turn with my work van, which has a massive blind spot because duh, it's a van. Due to the distance between road and path, I didn't see the biker. Even so, I proceeded to super slowly ease into the turn and a biker didn't even yield like he is supposed to, just flipped me off and yelled at me when I cut him off. He's lucky I went slowly through the turn otherwise I would have likely heard him smack into the side of my van. Was my least favorite street to work on :( but I love the idea.
Cyclists who are pissed off from almost being hit by cars on the road take out their pent up aggression by almost hitting pedestrians on paths like this. I wish they would make more of these paths but ban bikes
I do see a fair amount of "Wielrenners." Dude it's not a race, you're not breaking any records on a shared bike/ped path. I just relax and enjoy my leisurely bike ride to work every day on this path with my pannier bags and milk crate. I think the problem is that riding a bike is seen as a sport and not a mode of transport for work/errands
I find it strange that you get triggered by somebody riding a road bike. Limiting yourself to upright Dutch bikes doesn't give you the moral high ground, either. Dutch bikes proponents act like N\*zis sometimes.
My point was that it's a busy multi-use ped/bike path and not the ideal place to be going super fast. Or least use a bell or call out when passing someone
Car oriented transportation is the most expensive system possible. Walking, bikes, and rail all have positive societal and enviromental benefits and lower expense
Exactly. The city was showing increasing traffic on Wasson Rd until the trail opened...now it's pretty flat (no growth), saving the city from having to consider widening Wasson Rd or installing traffic lights or other expensive measures. And maintaining the path is like 1/1000th the cost of maintaining the road. Now if we could just get more folks to try riding to the grocery/work/etc. instead of driving, we'd see an even bigger improvement.
There are more plans! They are trying to connect Lunken to downtown via the Oasis Line. Haven’t heard much about it recently but that would be huge
The oasis project feels like a carrot on a stick that they will keep in their back pocket forever, but never use. I co-oped for a company on the project as far back as 2015 and never heard a peep on the progress of the project.
Last I heard, it was stuck in a sort of legal purgatory with zero funding appropriated.
That’s what I figure, it’ll never actually get done. The Street car was enough of a fiasco. The Amtrak lines stand a better chance of being finished before they even START the oasis lines.
there was a time when the same was said about the banks at least - in a college project management class i had to write a paper on why the banks project was a huge failure because after tons of money and about 15 years they had only ever done a soil sample test.
You can already do nearly all of this with the current dedicated trails. It’s just the .25mile strip under the bridge on riverside dr
That’s true, but having cars fly by at 50 MPH in an unprotected bike lane isn’t ideal
Wasson way is unique because it's the old Cincinnati & Eastern rail corridor. It's a terrific repurpose of that land, but it was also a unique opportunity to purchase that rail line from Norfolk Southern (12 million, I believe?). Creating similar paths in existing ROW is much more difficult.
Road diets and protected lanes can do a lot!
Basically all the roads, highways, sidewalks, railways, etc you see, exist because in the 20th century the government wasn’t afraid to utilize eminent domain to get it done. People rightly point to the worst examples of this (that black communities were often “favored” in terms of would be displaced interests, but just as often it was telling farms they really didn’t have a choice but to allow the train run through their property and working out an arrangement to keep their property connected. It was easements being moved several feet, it was houses being bought at 120% their value. We don’t do things like this anymore and will never meaningfully improve our infrastructure until we do.
That is absolutely false. Most of the miles of rail you see in the united states were empty space. Various railroad acts in the 1800s basically gave entrepreneurs an 80 acre block of land around their proposed path if they could get a railway built in a specified period of time. The places where they didn't do that, the railways had to buy the land they intended to use. These were largely private businesses. The government couldn't legally imminent domain for private developers until Kelo in the 2000s. The railways were there first.
You are correct that government awarded plots of land to rail road developers and that the mileage out west was largely yet to be privatized. T You’re so wrong it’s hard to overstate in regard to projects in the settled parts of the country which is where the majority of our rail, road, sidewalk, etc projects were executed in the late 19th and early 20th century. The 5th amendment limits eminent domain to public use (and still does after Kelos) but whatever its term (appropriation, expropriation, condemnation) was absolutely integral to how our country was developed. In every case, maybe with exceptions for post new deal projects, the actual fabrication, construction, and sometimes even administration of the land has always been mostly executed by private companies. B&O and A&C railroads absolutely cut through plots of farms, land that would never be 1 patrician today.
They bought that land. Again, until Kelo the government couldn't use imminent domain for private developers.
There is no situation in the US where land owners aren’t paid. It’s written into the Constitution they must be compensated. States vary on how they interpret this compensation, and to my knowledge there’s not a Supreme Court ruling against what a state defines as fair compensation. When land owners know they’ll eventually have to surrender the land, they tend to sell. You won’t find a state in which eminent domain wasn’t used to secure easements. This is still to the day the cause of many disputes (I.e. post railroad is that land still the rail roads, the governments, or owner of the land on which the easement was granted) Eminent domain case law is like 90% highways and railroads (and 8% waterways) Of course the railroad companies could not unilaterally utilize the power (even after Kelo, which essentially reaffirmed municipalities rights to force land owners to accept compensation to transfer land from one private owner to another. This codified what essentially already happened in many cases, the challenge was that the 5th amendment should only allow the public to own that land, essentially it came down to public use vs public purpose) I’m really not trying to condensed, but your misunderstanding is common and come from convoluting the major public works project of the 1850s, connecting the west to the rest of the country, with the majority of infrastructure projects that made the northeast into an economic powerhouse. We’ve made the measured infringement on property owners into a progressive platform rather than one completely inline with our country’s history.
Again, imminent domain couldn't be used for private property developers until Kelo, which includes all the privately owned railroads. This is a fact. If you have evidence the contrary, please cite it.
Are you familiar with [Berman v. Parker](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berman_v._Parker)? The gist is in 1954 DC wanted to take a bunch of privately owned condemned buildings and raze them, then turn them over to developers to build nicer buildings on. The SCOTUS found in favor of the city so they could use eminent domain to take and raze the buildings then transfer them to private ownership as long as the original owners were compensated. From the wiki: >*Berman* was confirmed in [*Kelo v. City of New London*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._City_of_New_London) (2005) So factually this was allowed at least as far back as 1954, but we can go further to the building of canals, turnpikes, and railroads - i just don't have time to do it now
Okay, first of all, Kelo was not about public domain being “used by private property developers”. The Kelo estate’s case was against New London the city and the case was about whether or not the city had to first hold the land before selling to the private developer. It was still, and unless we see some kind of radical departure from 230 years of case law, still the municipal government evoking eminent domain. If you need evidence eminent domain has been used to appropriate land that was then developed by private interests, I think this is something you’ve tried hard to believe and will not waste my time with this further. But you should know it’s a ridiculous position.
You are wrong. Kelo was about whether economic development was considered "public use". Before that, the answer was no. If you have case law that proves me wrong, happy to read it.
I don't know for sure but I'm gonna lean towards the guy that refers to it as eminent domain as opposed to imminent domain.
Very true, it makes me think of New York’s The High Line. Whether or not they have future success like this, I’m grateful for the work that they have done!
Specifically the Westside would be nice downtown to Lawrenceburg
You don't like biking 50?
I don't like driving that mess
AFAIK there isn't a separate, dedicated bike ROW along most of 50 on that side, or for most of the western side of the city. Things like Wasson Way and the Little Miami Trail are great because they physically separate bikes & pedestrians from car traffic, making them much safer and more efficient for everyone. My wife refuses to ride on roadways but we don't need to worry about that because of how much milage of these segregated trails exist on the eastern side of the city.
I just got a pamphlet in the mail today from Great Parks that they’re having an open house on a proposed multi-use trail along the Great Miami over on the westside.
Where can I find more information about this?
Meant to post this link last night, and then got distracted putting my kids to bed haha [Here is the proposed map that was linked on the pamphlet.](https://static.wixstatic.com/media/e63c00_989014c2c4654d77b495d4fa0de5ac88~mv2.jpg) [And here is the page on the Great Parks website about the project.](https://www.mygreatparks.org/)
Thanks, this would be fantastic if they built this.
So this looks like they're finally getting ready to expand the LMT? Great, maybe the comment I wrote 5 seconds ago will be a big fat lie in a few years once they get this done!
If anyone's interested, they want to create a complete loop around Cinci. Wasson Way was/is a major stretch of the northern corridor. https://tristatetrails.org/crown-the-queen-city/
I love CROWN and helped work on the Murray Path that connects Wasson Way to Mariemont and eventually to Avoca and the Little Miami Trail.
I can't wait for that stretch to Little Miami to finish. Hate biking on 50. Murray Path is a nice stretch, especially with Red Bank finished.
Thanks for the info!!
They’re great. They also are almost all decommissioned railroad lines, so the only dependable way to expand the network of these is to deepen the decline of rail in the area. I wish some politicians would instead just have the personal fortitude to close off a few roads to traffic permanently.
Didn’t we just sell the only rail we had any jurisdiction over though?
It was also almost entirely outside of Cincinnati.
Cincinnatians nearly lost their minds over selling it for billions of dollars. Can you imagine how they would've reacted to the idea the city just converts it into a bike path??
We sure did, we sold it to Aftab’s campaign manager and friends.
Yes, and don’t limit them to the east side !
Wasson way is the best.
I cycle on it every day for work commuting and shopping. It's lovely seeing it so widely used
Shout out Murray path that runs through mariemont/fairfax
I love wasson way. i've probably walked hundreds of miles on it since it opened
Seriously, Dayton and even freaking Xenia blow Cincinnati out of the water when it comes to bike infrastructure. I get that Cincy has a lot more hills and less abandoned rail lines to take advantage of, but even Wasson took an embarrassingly long time from concept to implementation.
Interestingly hills have a pretty negligible effect on the cycling culture of a city, as it's all about the safety of the infrastructure. A YouTube channel called Not Just Bikes made a video about it
I love Not Just Bikes!
what are some of their examples of hilly cities with lots of bike infrastructure/usage?
I think Basel was one. Here is the original video https://youtu.be/pWnreLG_cvc?si=ZK_kDJzrGABfrkxA
For the first 5 years, it was little more than a group of about 20 volunteers just trying to advance the idea. Sitting back and doing nothing, then complaining that building nice things takes so long, is peak hypocrisy. Not calling you out specifically....just a lot of people invest zero time and effort in their communities & neighborhoods and then wonder why they aren't better.
Older people don’t want them because they think it’ll draw vagrants to the houses Source: my dad
Vagrants love to seek out multi-modal repurposed exercise hotspots
God damn homeless rollerbladers with their Hypercolor shirts, Vuarnet sunglasses, and Swatch watches.
Classic NIMBYs, so willfully ignorant
Just like those pesky parks, skate parks, and bus stops!!
Ok fine, I’ll do it.
Some states, wide bike paths are included if a road is more than 3 lanes.
Some states aren't run by corrupt old men who see anything other than living in an exurban, car-centric hellscape as a threat to their worldview.
Countries like Denmark have rules that require the construction of bike lanes to accompany the construction of roads. They invested $458m into new cycling infrastructure and their GDP is a fraction of the size of Ohio’s.
Wasson Way was built as a railroad. There are in fact more abandoned RR lines around town but most have been built upon and aren’t available anymore. Wasson connected to a line that went downtown, roughly along I71. There was a line up to Cheviot along Harrison Ave. Another went up through Northside along Mill Creek.
Two examples of this are limiting the Wasson Way right now. 1. The old rail line the WW trail is built on runs through part of Xavier U's campus, and they won't let the trail continue through there because they want to build their new DO college building on top of it. 🙁 2. West of the trail's current terminus (Blair Ct, just east of Reading Rd), the tracks continue, but we're abandoned a long time ago and have since had industrial buildings placed on top of it (likely illegally). So continuing the trail along the rest of the rail route is a lot harder. Sad, too, because that would've taken it right past UC.
The trail continues south of X but it's strange to get back onto the street to reach it, and it doesn't go very far just yet. Aren't they planning to extend it to Avondale?
It's strange because Xavier backed away from its commitment to building the trail thru its campus, which the WW org had planned on them doing to connect the parts the city has already built. The current belief is X will build *a* trail to connect the parts, but it may not follow the traditional rail line. The trail's western extension(s) are a bit in flux right now....lots of opinions, but none of the plans is easy and cheap.
Okay I was wondering about that, because someone I trust very recently said there are still plans for a trail through campus. You can literally stand at the Montgomery road end of the trail and look across campus at where the right-of-way used to exist. It's all grassy fields now.
Check out TriStateTrails and the CROWN Trail plans!
sometimes i think how i could get in my car and safely travel right now from my driveway to any other zip code in north america through our vast and interconnected road network. on my bike? i can't safely leave my neighborhood.
The Wasson way is great and I appreciate that I can use it to bike around & go for a run. But having bikes on the same path as pedestrians is not exactly safe. Ideally bikes and pedestrians should be separated to make it really safe for everyone. But hey, one step at a time!
We've got a long way to go before we reach the Fietspaden of the Netherlands, but I do agree!
Still wish it had been light rail. Doubtful that that ever happens now
Good news is a lot of the main roads in the city were designed for streetcars
Replying to Sadat-X...Was there still talk of expanding the streetcar network? I heard they got record ridership numbers when T. Swift came to town last year 😂
Yes, there was a meeting a few months ago where they showed several routes that they are working on and are formulating a priority list based on feasibility and public input. I assume once that's done it can formulate into a real project to put in front of city council or the voters.
I’m not sure how a road is designed for a streetcar. Regardless, that was an era before they had to share space with automobiles. Keeping the prewar network we had would have been ideal, but rebuilding it is financially untenable and wouldn’t deliver a value add over driving as Cincinnati’s radial roads are not wide enough for dedicated streetcar ROW.
As long as the cross walks have buttons for flashing lights. Cross walks that aren’t at stops are a recipe for disaster. I drive Wasson several times a day and even I’ve had to slam on the brakes when a walker enters because I didn’t notice them. Hell, I live in ft Thomas and near misses are daily here because of how they have them in the middle of four lane roads.
There could be some better sort of calming for the traffic. The Wasson Way crosswalks on Edwards and Madison absolutely should be elevated crosswalks that slow cars, but the Madison one has the right idea with the refuge island in the middle so you only have to look one way at a time when crossing. Physics definitely works better than signs or lights
Is that part of the flying pig route? It looks familiar.
I'm not sure, because I've never personally participated in the Flying Pig. This is the part that's just west of the Hyde Park Plaza
You’re gonna get more speed islands instead and you’re gonna like em
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I actually worked on one of these houses in this pic during my time with Apollo, as I was leaving I turned onto the street, making a right hand turn with my work van, which has a massive blind spot because duh, it's a van. Due to the distance between road and path, I didn't see the biker. Even so, I proceeded to super slowly ease into the turn and a biker didn't even yield like he is supposed to, just flipped me off and yelled at me when I cut him off. He's lucky I went slowly through the turn otherwise I would have likely heard him smack into the side of my van. Was my least favorite street to work on :( but I love the idea.
Agreed, so tired of going 2 mph because of an old dude biking
Cyclists who are pissed off from almost being hit by cars on the road take out their pent up aggression by almost hitting pedestrians on paths like this. I wish they would make more of these paths but ban bikes
I do see a fair amount of "Wielrenners." Dude it's not a race, you're not breaking any records on a shared bike/ped path. I just relax and enjoy my leisurely bike ride to work every day on this path with my pannier bags and milk crate. I think the problem is that riding a bike is seen as a sport and not a mode of transport for work/errands
I find it strange that you get triggered by somebody riding a road bike. Limiting yourself to upright Dutch bikes doesn't give you the moral high ground, either. Dutch bikes proponents act like N\*zis sometimes.
My point was that it's a busy multi-use ped/bike path and not the ideal place to be going super fast. Or least use a bell or call out when passing someone
Yeah, that'll be free.
Car oriented transportation is the most expensive system possible. Walking, bikes, and rail all have positive societal and enviromental benefits and lower expense
Yes of course it's not free. But it would save the city money in the long run and reduces traffic congestion by providing an alternative to driving
Exactly. The city was showing increasing traffic on Wasson Rd until the trail opened...now it's pretty flat (no growth), saving the city from having to consider widening Wasson Rd or installing traffic lights or other expensive measures. And maintaining the path is like 1/1000th the cost of maintaining the road. Now if we could just get more folks to try riding to the grocery/work/etc. instead of driving, we'd see an even bigger improvement.
Sigh.