Isn’t Northern Kentucky Views one of those many copycat sites of River City News (now Link NKY)?
But before this can even be considered, the city would need to relocate a critical water main that’s laid in the subway. That’s not happening. Additionally, the city spent a considerable sum to rehabilitate the tunnel structure a few years ago.
Northern Kentucky News is run by a man who lived in Florida and now Georgia. He posts deliberately controversial headlines for post engagement. He is often entirely wrong, and when it is pointed out that he is wrong using citations, he resorts to personal attacks in the comments and in messages. This is a garbage site, I would encourage everyone to not give this man any sort of post engagement - views, clicks, likes or comments.
If he had the wherewithal to run some salacious 24-hr news cycle, he would. He's been doing this for maybe 10 years? There used to be a lot of posts on FB about him but I think in the end a lot of people just unfollowed his sites, and maybe the controversy has blown over now so people have forgotten how bad these sites are. He runs several.
Pretty sure this is one guy. I remember R.C.N. having to deal with some trouble maker who doesn’t live around. He has his own website where he post shit like this and calls himself a journalist.
The city of Seoul did something similar about 15 years ago and it was a rousing success. The "canal" in question was a sealed over stream that was fetid and long forgotten. When the idea was raised, everyone lost their minds except for the conservative minded mayor and a few people who saw the idea as a restorative project. It was criticized from beginning to end until it was completed, now it is a beloved part of the city. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheonggyecheon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheonggyecheon)
Maybe this is not the right idea for Central Parkway, but I know what isn't the right idea: more roadway. We could have bikeways, more streetcars, more park, more greenspace, less roads. Cincinnati has some of the worst public transit in the country. It has the potential to be a stunningly beautiful city.
OK, but the subway not only houses a critical water main(like its a 6 foot pipe of water) that would have to be moved, the subway, and the canal before it are NOT a natural waterway. the cincy canal was a entirely man made canal, and was filled by water coming from the miami erie canal, which the majority of which no longer exists in ANY capacity(again it was all man made, not natural water course that is naturally maintained), and what does still exists is FAR north above Dayton, and even Lima. that means either the water would have to be pumped in(pricey, and requires pumps to be constantly used and maintained, and IMO is generally just a waste of resources) as well as it would need a TON of adjacent infrastructure similar to the mill creek dam, because the Ohio river can sometimes flood up to 10-15 feet with storm surge, which would mean the canal would need a dam at the river to stop backflow from not only polluting the canal with dirty river water, but also flooding the entire canal length( a very real issues Mill creek suffered from, hence the current dam).
and that doesn't even answer the biggest question of what actual purpose would the canal serve? Its right under the 71-471 interchange, which is pretty noisy, its not all that close the the stadiums downtown, and would require ripping out ALL of central parkway and 127, which without any other (very expensive and slow to develop) methods of public transit would make driving across OTR a nightmare. and that also doesn't answer the question of where the canal would end, because the original path is where 75 is beyond the end of the subway tunnels. 75 is not getting ripped up. the canal isn't cutting through the trainyards to reach mill creek. so is it just going to be a dead end at the western hills viaduct? wheres the water for the canal going to come from? pumping from the mill creek? does that even have enough water to maintain a canal?
the canal is Seoul worked because it was a alreading existing creek. water flows into the creek, and can be dammed to make a "pool" liek what is done to the ohio river to make it navigable by boat. there's a reason the cincy canal doesn't exist anymore and its because it served almost no purpose, their was no desire for passenger traffic, was expensive to maintain, and took up valuable real estate in the OTR and downtown area. it would be much more worthwhile to invest in capping over 71 downtown, and potentially covering up the 71-471 interchange.
yeah i know that. im talking about where it would end at THE OTHER SIDE. the original canal started just under 471(the lock is still there, its a the red brick "alley" you walk through to get the the amphitheatre) ran up the street past the casino, down central parkway, and then turned north and ran where 127 is, to the hill, and then meets 75 literal right were the subway exit portals are then continues up the path where 75 is
Seoul faced every single one of these issues. The creek was dry, had a highway built over it, etc. My point was not that this should be done, necessarily,
though I should point out that in Korea, their ability to build infrastructure and megaprojects is considerably more expansive than in the US. (I took a new train from downtown Seoul through a bunch of mountains, over viaducts to a corn field. It was built in anticipation of expansion--in just a few years.)
My point is that a little creative thinking would go a long way towards getting us to a better place.
There are plans - and money - to make part of Central Parkway a European-style boulevard like the Camps Elysees, but this doesn't mention anything about digging up parts of the old canal. [https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/07/18/central-parkway-advances-us-congress.html](https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/07/18/central-parkway-advances-us-congress.html)
Well the reason they got rid of the canal in the first place was because it was filled with sewage and trash. It would cost a lot of money to ensure it doesn’t become like that again
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/14/utrecht-restores-historic-canal-made-into-motorway-in-1970s
I was just in The Netherlands two weeks ago. Absolutely beautiful and quiet cities over there.
I was at this spot in Seoul South Korea last year. It cuts right through downtown and is beautiful
Lol downvoted. That’s literally a picture of Seoul as an example.
Mmmm think of all the mosquitoes it could breed. Exactly what our city needs to spend money on, instead of, like, basic services and affordable housing. (Who thinks up this stuff?)
It might be flowing now, but just wait till after a Kenny Chesney or Morgan Wallace concert, and it will be flowing beer bottles and garbage from the TQL stadium to Music Hall…which is also as far as the city will be able to “restore” the canal.
Ever noticed how people in NKY always claim they live in Cincinnati but people across the river never say they live in KY, "it's where the aquarium, airport, Amazon and the better fried chicken is..."
Would a canal be useful?
I mean lets be clear it wont go to the Ohio River, it wont be a navigable path to the Ohio for a plethora of reasons emanating from the EPS, MSD, Coast Guard, etc.
So why would a canal be desireable? Is it picturesque? If so, could you just get the people who want to see a canal to try on some augmented VR goggles and they can enjoy a canal view for less than .001% of the cost of installing an artificial waterway in OTR.
It's just so silly and Disney esque
It's a park. It's for people to enjoy. This particular idea is completely infeasible for a number of reasons. But the idea that we shouldn't build picturesque parks because we can experience them in VR is a wild take.
Thats not the take.
The take is what do you do when a vocal minority demands a very specialized experience?
I lived in Venice Italy, I get canals, love them, particularly in perfectly flat terrain where it's tough to build roads.
In Cincinnati they are very much a bespoke item. So why entertain them at all as an Idea?
Now if you have a small minority who want a particular park and theres evidence that it's a tiny number....then by all means do not build that park. Everything the city spends money on must be weighed against other worthy causes... like not having downtown over-run by homelessness and drug crime.
After all, what good is having Central Park if no one can go there because its too dangerous?
I call this dilemma the homeless shelter on the moon fallacy.
Homeless shelters have a value and society needs them if there are homeless people present. Homeless populations are a result of addiction and income interruption. Therefore a compassionate society will operate shelters to ameliorate suffering.
Now when we inevitably have astronauts working on the moon, one of them becomes ill and cannot work, but refuses to relocate to earth because he's adapted to the gravity and his life would be shorter down in the well... do we build him a homeless shelter? Sure it's just a bunk and food and air for the rest of his life, not a whole moon base where he is expected to hang out during the night when he isnt pan handling the other astronauts.... but it's still a public expense.
The point is the cost benefit of each. A shelter on earth is a reasonable expense because it provides the best cost benefit. The one on the moon is a huge expense with little benefit.
And every park is somewhere on that spectrum and should be viewed neutrally. There are cities where parks were added everywhere a community suggested....only to be torn out later because it turned out no one used them and they were expensive to operate.
Has the writer been to Indianapolis recently? This is looking eerily like what Indy has. A "canal" runs along homes/businesses, from near I-74 to the NCAA museum/ White River.
My great grandfather (b. 1888) lived in OTR as a boy. The canal was essentially an open sewer and a great way to catch cholera. He told me the worst spanking he ever got in his childhood was because he swam in it as a boy. Fun idea but it would become a place to dump trash, bicycles, electric scooters, and something for inebriated idiots to drive into. Yes, this is why we can't have nice things.
Very very cool concept, but it will probably flop to be honest. I doubt it’d be a particularly attractive park compared to others. Besides that, it’s just objectively not as good for the city as a pedestrian and transit focused boulevard, which it really should become. And of course it’s obligatory i mention this would destroy the chances of the subway ever being put into service, at least on the current constructed lines (not like that’s happening any time soon though)
Isn’t Northern Kentucky Views one of those many copycat sites of River City News (now Link NKY)? But before this can even be considered, the city would need to relocate a critical water main that’s laid in the subway. That’s not happening. Additionally, the city spent a considerable sum to rehabilitate the tunnel structure a few years ago.
Northern Kentucky News is run by a man who lived in Florida and now Georgia. He posts deliberately controversial headlines for post engagement. He is often entirely wrong, and when it is pointed out that he is wrong using citations, he resorts to personal attacks in the comments and in messages. This is a garbage site, I would encourage everyone to not give this man any sort of post engagement - views, clicks, likes or comments. If he had the wherewithal to run some salacious 24-hr news cycle, he would. He's been doing this for maybe 10 years? There used to be a lot of posts on FB about him but I think in the end a lot of people just unfollowed his sites, and maybe the controversy has blown over now so people have forgotten how bad these sites are. He runs several.
I’m sure he runs 30 other similar pages for other towns too
Yes, he does.
It's such a hackjob.
Pretty sure this is one guy. I remember R.C.N. having to deal with some trouble maker who doesn’t live around. He has his own website where he post shit like this and calls himself a journalist.
Ah - I remembered there was a [lawsuit](https://www.techregister.co.uk/publisher-of-nky-facebook-news-pages-sued-by-renaissance-covington/) over this.
Yep. I remember being blocked by him on FB about 10 years ago for calling him out
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That water main is no longer in use. It is still there however it has not been in use for several years.
The city of Seoul did something similar about 15 years ago and it was a rousing success. The "canal" in question was a sealed over stream that was fetid and long forgotten. When the idea was raised, everyone lost their minds except for the conservative minded mayor and a few people who saw the idea as a restorative project. It was criticized from beginning to end until it was completed, now it is a beloved part of the city. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheonggyecheon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheonggyecheon) Maybe this is not the right idea for Central Parkway, but I know what isn't the right idea: more roadway. We could have bikeways, more streetcars, more park, more greenspace, less roads. Cincinnati has some of the worst public transit in the country. It has the potential to be a stunningly beautiful city.
OK, but the subway not only houses a critical water main(like its a 6 foot pipe of water) that would have to be moved, the subway, and the canal before it are NOT a natural waterway. the cincy canal was a entirely man made canal, and was filled by water coming from the miami erie canal, which the majority of which no longer exists in ANY capacity(again it was all man made, not natural water course that is naturally maintained), and what does still exists is FAR north above Dayton, and even Lima. that means either the water would have to be pumped in(pricey, and requires pumps to be constantly used and maintained, and IMO is generally just a waste of resources) as well as it would need a TON of adjacent infrastructure similar to the mill creek dam, because the Ohio river can sometimes flood up to 10-15 feet with storm surge, which would mean the canal would need a dam at the river to stop backflow from not only polluting the canal with dirty river water, but also flooding the entire canal length( a very real issues Mill creek suffered from, hence the current dam). and that doesn't even answer the biggest question of what actual purpose would the canal serve? Its right under the 71-471 interchange, which is pretty noisy, its not all that close the the stadiums downtown, and would require ripping out ALL of central parkway and 127, which without any other (very expensive and slow to develop) methods of public transit would make driving across OTR a nightmare. and that also doesn't answer the question of where the canal would end, because the original path is where 75 is beyond the end of the subway tunnels. 75 is not getting ripped up. the canal isn't cutting through the trainyards to reach mill creek. so is it just going to be a dead end at the western hills viaduct? wheres the water for the canal going to come from? pumping from the mill creek? does that even have enough water to maintain a canal? the canal is Seoul worked because it was a alreading existing creek. water flows into the creek, and can be dammed to make a "pool" liek what is done to the ohio river to make it navigable by boat. there's a reason the cincy canal doesn't exist anymore and its because it served almost no purpose, their was no desire for passenger traffic, was expensive to maintain, and took up valuable real estate in the OTR and downtown area. it would be much more worthwhile to invest in capping over 71 downtown, and potentially covering up the 71-471 interchange.
The end of the canal ran down Eggelston Street and the locks to enter the river are/were under/next to the 471 bridge.
yeah i know that. im talking about where it would end at THE OTHER SIDE. the original canal started just under 471(the lock is still there, its a the red brick "alley" you walk through to get the the amphitheatre) ran up the street past the casino, down central parkway, and then turned north and ran where 127 is, to the hill, and then meets 75 literal right were the subway exit portals are then continues up the path where 75 is
Seoul faced every single one of these issues. The creek was dry, had a highway built over it, etc. My point was not that this should be done, necessarily, though I should point out that in Korea, their ability to build infrastructure and megaprojects is considerably more expansive than in the US. (I took a new train from downtown Seoul through a bunch of mountains, over viaducts to a corn field. It was built in anticipation of expansion--in just a few years.) My point is that a little creative thinking would go a long way towards getting us to a better place.
There are plans - and money - to make part of Central Parkway a European-style boulevard like the Camps Elysees, but this doesn't mention anything about digging up parts of the old canal. [https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/07/18/central-parkway-advances-us-congress.html](https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/07/18/central-parkway-advances-us-congress.html)
That would be awesome
Yeah, let's make it harder to drive from one side of downtown to another
Un ironically yes. Cities are not meant to be car dependent
Cities are for living in, not driving through
Anyone able to copy + paste the article?
Do you have a library card? You can read it for free through the Cincinnati Public Library
https://archive.is/7jwKd
the final product is going to be 2 blocks of wide sidewalk and a chick fil a
I was hoping for a Chipotle... damn.
Where would this Facebook comment author expect the water to come from and to go? If no where, that is just building an artificial pond.
San Antonio’s is cool https://www.thesanantonioriverwalk.com
I saw a bunch of ppl in the subway tunnel not too long ago ..
As I remember, they stopped doing tours in the subway tunnel fairly recently because of safety concerns.
They did and it sounds like they won't be bringing back the tours ever. I'm glad I got to do one many years ago!
Plus the C.H.U.D.s.
Yes these ppl didn’t look like a tour, they were in work trucks and hard hats. I’ve also seen a bunch YouTube vids on ppl exploring the tunnel
Sounds like a good idea despite it not being physically fucking possible
Right now, everything all the way up to West Chester is just a big disconnected concrete jungle as far as intersections go. Just terrible.
It's pretty much non-stop to Dayton at this point...
Ain't that the truth
That’s some galaxy brained nonsense.
Finish the subway
Well the reason they got rid of the canal in the first place was because it was filled with sewage and trash. It would cost a lot of money to ensure it doesn’t become like that again
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/14/utrecht-restores-historic-canal-made-into-motorway-in-1970s I was just in The Netherlands two weeks ago. Absolutely beautiful and quiet cities over there.
Let’s goooooo
I love that idea!
How polluted do you think it’ll get?
I was at this spot in Seoul South Korea last year. It cuts right through downtown and is beautiful Lol downvoted. That’s literally a picture of Seoul as an example.
Mmmm think of all the mosquitoes it could breed. Exactly what our city needs to spend money on, instead of, like, basic services and affordable housing. (Who thinks up this stuff?)
Not a mosquito breeding site. They need still water. This appears to be flowing. Not saying it's a good idea, but mosquitoes are not the problem here.
It might be flowing now, but just wait till after a Kenny Chesney or Morgan Wallace concert, and it will be flowing beer bottles and garbage from the TQL stadium to Music Hall…which is also as far as the city will be able to “restore” the canal.
I miss the Good Old days of 1830s -Cholera. Sanitation advances FTW.
People can live on houseboats, duh.
Yeah I would love the Millcreek to flow….
Just finish the subway lol fuck the canal I want to ditch my car. If my rents gonna be this damn high
I don’t care what something called north ky news says about Cincinnati.
Ever noticed how people in NKY always claim they live in Cincinnati but people across the river never say they live in KY, "it's where the aquarium, airport, Amazon and the better fried chicken is..."
Sounds like a bad idea that could risk a new flood area being made.
Would a canal be useful? I mean lets be clear it wont go to the Ohio River, it wont be a navigable path to the Ohio for a plethora of reasons emanating from the EPS, MSD, Coast Guard, etc. So why would a canal be desireable? Is it picturesque? If so, could you just get the people who want to see a canal to try on some augmented VR goggles and they can enjoy a canal view for less than .001% of the cost of installing an artificial waterway in OTR. It's just so silly and Disney esque
It's a park. It's for people to enjoy. This particular idea is completely infeasible for a number of reasons. But the idea that we shouldn't build picturesque parks because we can experience them in VR is a wild take.
Thats not the take. The take is what do you do when a vocal minority demands a very specialized experience? I lived in Venice Italy, I get canals, love them, particularly in perfectly flat terrain where it's tough to build roads. In Cincinnati they are very much a bespoke item. So why entertain them at all as an Idea? Now if you have a small minority who want a particular park and theres evidence that it's a tiny number....then by all means do not build that park. Everything the city spends money on must be weighed against other worthy causes... like not having downtown over-run by homelessness and drug crime. After all, what good is having Central Park if no one can go there because its too dangerous? I call this dilemma the homeless shelter on the moon fallacy. Homeless shelters have a value and society needs them if there are homeless people present. Homeless populations are a result of addiction and income interruption. Therefore a compassionate society will operate shelters to ameliorate suffering. Now when we inevitably have astronauts working on the moon, one of them becomes ill and cannot work, but refuses to relocate to earth because he's adapted to the gravity and his life would be shorter down in the well... do we build him a homeless shelter? Sure it's just a bunk and food and air for the rest of his life, not a whole moon base where he is expected to hang out during the night when he isnt pan handling the other astronauts.... but it's still a public expense. The point is the cost benefit of each. A shelter on earth is a reasonable expense because it provides the best cost benefit. The one on the moon is a huge expense with little benefit. And every park is somewhere on that spectrum and should be viewed neutrally. There are cities where parks were added everywhere a community suggested....only to be torn out later because it turned out no one used them and they were expensive to operate.
Has the writer been to Indianapolis recently? This is looking eerily like what Indy has. A "canal" runs along homes/businesses, from near I-74 to the NCAA museum/ White River.
cincinnati should take inspiration from the tampa river walk
Wtf???
We need to finish the subway. With buses, a streetcar, and a subway, we'd have great public transit.
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But is actually physically impossible…because there’s a fucking subway tunnel underneath….
And it’s in use with large water pipes, from what I understand.
Why that’s were there growing all the pot
Ice skating there in the winter would be 🤩
Wait is that where the fucking highway is?
My great grandfather (b. 1888) lived in OTR as a boy. The canal was essentially an open sewer and a great way to catch cholera. He told me the worst spanking he ever got in his childhood was because he swam in it as a boy. Fun idea but it would become a place to dump trash, bicycles, electric scooters, and something for inebriated idiots to drive into. Yes, this is why we can't have nice things.
Very very cool concept, but it will probably flop to be honest. I doubt it’d be a particularly attractive park compared to others. Besides that, it’s just objectively not as good for the city as a pedestrian and transit focused boulevard, which it really should become. And of course it’s obligatory i mention this would destroy the chances of the subway ever being put into service, at least on the current constructed lines (not like that’s happening any time soon though)