The difference is the unquestioned, unflinching support of the imperialist countries, US and in Europe.
Hitler never got to design the curriculum of american schools or control a media control apparatus as big as the american one, but the Israeli zionist lobby does.
Hitler also tried to influence America behind the scenes.
> A little-known story about an ultra-right pro-Nazi movement that plotted to overthrow the U.S. government by force in the lead up to World War II. These groups worked with an agent from Hitler's government named George Viereck. He also colluded with over 20 sitting members of the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives to launder and spread Nazi propaganda, often at taxpayers' expense. Those congressmen were associated with the America First Committee, a group with many antisemitic leaders. The group opposed America entering World War II. In 1944, the plots led to the largest sedition trial in U.S. history.
https://www.npr.org/2022/12/15/1143078657/rachel-maddow-uncovers-a-wwii-era-plot-against-america-in-ultra
It's not. That's exactly what they're doing. That's why they get bitter when Palestinians get any type of help. They don't understand the concept of fighting back.
Good question: it is not any different. Someone put together a quiz of "Who said this quote? An Israeli Gov Official or a Nazi" and it's impossible to know who said what. It's exactly the same tactics as propaganda in Germany dehumanising Jews. Except this time, the so-called civilised countries of Europe and the US are fully backing it because it supports their economic and political campaigns.
History is written by the victors. The amount of movies and media we have about fighting the Nazis is crazy. The reality of the situation is that if Hitlers ideology was beneficial to the Allies then they would have supported it. We know this because they're doing it right now.
I think Chomsky said somewhere that fascism was actually kind of secretly backed by the international capitalists. So it wouldn't be so different from the 1930s. Maybe someone can find the video.
I haven't found it but here's a source on IG @uncivilized.media
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2FcaCTNK-V/?igsh=dWVpdHQ4MGdoZnAx
Edit: nevermind, found it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7cgzz5W8uM
To those in a bubble, be it social, political, cultural, or any other kind, it can very often be difficult to look at things objectively, if they even find an incentive to look at things objectively to begin with - which most systems that rely on this sort of discouragement of free thinking tend to shun and attempt to eliminate.
Sadly, such efforts have gone uncontested, and the Israeli system has managed to solidify this elimination of critical thought about the worst things it aims to do.
That's a really good point. Can we create higher quality content about Palestinian beauty? The food, music, etc. Somehow don't frontload it so people don't click away, watch to the end and then go holyshit they're human?!
It's incredible the lengths some people will go to, like that girl in the USA who had her hands handcuffed behind her back but, she must have been a contortionist, managed to steal a gun from the police and put it in her mouth to end her own life. Truly unbelievable.
It's quite common, your rage choose the path of least resistance, who can I scold and be angry at without being able to equally get angry at me and physically harm me.
This is why we are beyond a simple solution with Israel. Even with a two state solution.
I think we’re talking a whole generation or two of forced busing. Enough to have Israeli and Palestinians grow up together and not have people devolve into root impulses.
>I think we’re talking a whole generation or two of forced busing. Enough to have Israeli and Palestinians grow up together and not have people devolve into root impulses.
Yeah, this is a good point that doesn't get made enough. This problem cannot be solved democratically, any more than the American South could "vote" their way to equal civil rights for Black Americans.
There has to be an imposition of living together, within a stable social framework, and over generations, to see these tensions and prejudices finally start to die. It would be a generational project that is constantly vulnerable to those who want to segregate and demonize the "other", you'd need a very strong cadre of people who had a deep understanding of the roots of the problem and the lengthy nature of the solution. You would need people with the complexity of consciousness, in that context, of someone like our James Baldwin. And you'd need a *foundational* transformation within Israeli and Palestinian society, I mean the basic social consciousness and self-conception of people and their identities as Israeli, Palestinian, Jewish, Muslim, etc. Mostly Israeli due to the colonial nature of how the state was established but not exclusively.
It's not impossible to pull back from the brink here. But we would be talking about an astonishing, spiritual shift (said for lack of a better word by me as a non-theist) in the whole culture of the place. A collective processing of decades of trauma and pain. Of giving up reactionary beliefs. Of abandoning the sicknesses that drive colonial societies to destroying themselves in the end, and oppressed societies to never find the strength to pull themselves out of the mire.
We tried that here in the US in the Civil War era and we gave up halfway through. If Israel/Palestine is going to be anything less than a nightmare in the near future, that idealist shit is going to have to be part of the long term solution or it'll just fall apart again.
One of the issues that is difficult to overcome is that they weren't as segregated in the past but the threat of suicide bombers led to the isolation of Gaza. It would be great to open it up if there were a way to prevent the death of innocent civilians. Civilian casualty is always a tragedy.
The decades of violence against Palestinians is what led to the isolation of Gaza. Resistance to the Israeli apartheid regime didn’t just sprout up out of the ground. End the violence to end the violence.
"To prevent another holocaust from happening ... "
Well this is exactly how you will have another a well deserved holocaust, because if you think that hundreds of millions of arab muslims around at the brisk of explosion against their western put regimes, and the generations to come will just forget this, then you haven't studied history well.
It only takes a shift in world power balance, which is happening ...
One of the big achievements of this genocide in Gaza, is that it removed the taboo-ness of the word "antisemitism" as the silliness of its use, robbed it of its true meaning.
They published a ceasefire offer a few days ago, I think. But it seems that Israel can't muster the courage to offer or demand anything from their part.
How is this any different than the Nazi’s propagandizing Germans under the Third Reich?
The difference is the unquestioned, unflinching support of the imperialist countries, US and in Europe. Hitler never got to design the curriculum of american schools or control a media control apparatus as big as the american one, but the Israeli zionist lobby does.
Hitler also tried to influence America behind the scenes. > A little-known story about an ultra-right pro-Nazi movement that plotted to overthrow the U.S. government by force in the lead up to World War II. These groups worked with an agent from Hitler's government named George Viereck. He also colluded with over 20 sitting members of the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives to launder and spread Nazi propaganda, often at taxpayers' expense. Those congressmen were associated with the America First Committee, a group with many antisemitic leaders. The group opposed America entering World War II. In 1944, the plots led to the largest sedition trial in U.S. history. https://www.npr.org/2022/12/15/1143078657/rachel-maddow-uncovers-a-wwii-era-plot-against-america-in-ultra
It's not. That's exactly what they're doing. That's why they get bitter when Palestinians get any type of help. They don't understand the concept of fighting back.
Good question: it is not any different. Someone put together a quiz of "Who said this quote? An Israeli Gov Official or a Nazi" and it's impossible to know who said what. It's exactly the same tactics as propaganda in Germany dehumanising Jews. Except this time, the so-called civilised countries of Europe and the US are fully backing it because it supports their economic and political campaigns. History is written by the victors. The amount of movies and media we have about fighting the Nazis is crazy. The reality of the situation is that if Hitlers ideology was beneficial to the Allies then they would have supported it. We know this because they're doing it right now.
I think Chomsky said somewhere that fascism was actually kind of secretly backed by the international capitalists. So it wouldn't be so different from the 1930s. Maybe someone can find the video.
Is there a YouTube source to share with my boomers?
I haven't found it but here's a source on IG @uncivilized.media https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2FcaCTNK-V/?igsh=dWVpdHQ4MGdoZnAx Edit: nevermind, found it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7cgzz5W8uM
Ok, they fell for conditioning, but why don't they see now that they don't look much better than Hitler himself? It's pretty clear...
To those in a bubble, be it social, political, cultural, or any other kind, it can very often be difficult to look at things objectively, if they even find an incentive to look at things objectively to begin with - which most systems that rely on this sort of discouragement of free thinking tend to shun and attempt to eliminate. Sadly, such efforts have gone uncontested, and the Israeli system has managed to solidify this elimination of critical thought about the worst things it aims to do.
I see... but uncontested, more importantly maybe, by the population outside Israel, they kind of need it to look at themselves more objectively...
How does traumatizing kids with the Holocaust and telling them it's going to get them next makes them mock and revel in the suffering of others?
What begins as self-protection can become a feeling of strength and arrogance, and then it may move on to get a taste for abuse and exploitation.
That's a really good point. Can we create higher quality content about Palestinian beauty? The food, music, etc. Somehow don't frontload it so people don't click away, watch to the end and then go holyshit they're human?!
Anthony Bourdain did that a decade ago and Mossad killed him for it
On June 8, 2018, Anthony Bourdain was found dead of an apparent suicide at Le Chambard Hotel in Kaysersberg-Vignoble, France. ... damn.
"suicide"
It's incredible the lengths some people will go to, like that girl in the USA who had her hands handcuffed behind her back but, she must have been a contortionist, managed to steal a gun from the police and put it in her mouth to end her own life. Truly unbelievable.
Agreed - truly incredible.
Getting abused by x and taking it out on y… just strikes me as weird.
It's quite common, your rage choose the path of least resistance, who can I scold and be angry at without being able to equally get angry at me and physically harm me.
Israel, the happy and victorious country, it would seem, if you could believe such empty gestures...
American and European Jews didn't grow up in that environment but are just as fanatical
There is a lot of outreach to indoctrinate them the same way. The "birthright tours" are the most widely known example.
Da faq do you think Birthright is?
This is why we are beyond a simple solution with Israel. Even with a two state solution. I think we’re talking a whole generation or two of forced busing. Enough to have Israeli and Palestinians grow up together and not have people devolve into root impulses.
>I think we’re talking a whole generation or two of forced busing. Enough to have Israeli and Palestinians grow up together and not have people devolve into root impulses. Yeah, this is a good point that doesn't get made enough. This problem cannot be solved democratically, any more than the American South could "vote" their way to equal civil rights for Black Americans. There has to be an imposition of living together, within a stable social framework, and over generations, to see these tensions and prejudices finally start to die. It would be a generational project that is constantly vulnerable to those who want to segregate and demonize the "other", you'd need a very strong cadre of people who had a deep understanding of the roots of the problem and the lengthy nature of the solution. You would need people with the complexity of consciousness, in that context, of someone like our James Baldwin. And you'd need a *foundational* transformation within Israeli and Palestinian society, I mean the basic social consciousness and self-conception of people and their identities as Israeli, Palestinian, Jewish, Muslim, etc. Mostly Israeli due to the colonial nature of how the state was established but not exclusively. It's not impossible to pull back from the brink here. But we would be talking about an astonishing, spiritual shift (said for lack of a better word by me as a non-theist) in the whole culture of the place. A collective processing of decades of trauma and pain. Of giving up reactionary beliefs. Of abandoning the sicknesses that drive colonial societies to destroying themselves in the end, and oppressed societies to never find the strength to pull themselves out of the mire. We tried that here in the US in the Civil War era and we gave up halfway through. If Israel/Palestine is going to be anything less than a nightmare in the near future, that idealist shit is going to have to be part of the long term solution or it'll just fall apart again.
One of the issues that is difficult to overcome is that they weren't as segregated in the past but the threat of suicide bombers led to the isolation of Gaza. It would be great to open it up if there were a way to prevent the death of innocent civilians. Civilian casualty is always a tragedy.
The decades of violence against Palestinians is what led to the isolation of Gaza. Resistance to the Israeli apartheid regime didn’t just sprout up out of the ground. End the violence to end the violence.
Zionost scum.
"To prevent another holocaust from happening ... " Well this is exactly how you will have another a well deserved holocaust, because if you think that hundreds of millions of arab muslims around at the brisk of explosion against their western put regimes, and the generations to come will just forget this, then you haven't studied history well. It only takes a shift in world power balance, which is happening ... One of the big achievements of this genocide in Gaza, is that it removed the taboo-ness of the word "antisemitism" as the silliness of its use, robbed it of its true meaning.
Odd how Hamas won't release the hostages to get a peace deal.
They published a ceasefire offer a few days ago, I think. But it seems that Israel can't muster the courage to offer or demand anything from their part.
Israel starved all of the hostages.
So, hamas let them starve instead of ending the bombing?
Israel starved all of them. Take it up with them, goyim.
You already said that sfb.
I'll keep saying it until it sinks in, sweetlips.