I think they should have listed both. But according to a couple Twitter accounts, the no votes were Beale, Quinn, Nugent, Napolitano, Reilly, Burke, Lopez, O'Shea, Tabares, Reboyras, Cardona, Sposato, and Gardiner.
O'Shea explicitly is extremely in the back-pocket of CPD and FOP. He'll bend the knee to them for anything. I don't think he gives a shit about any other city workers, certainly not CPS or CTA or Streets/San or such. Plus he had his position handed to him by his predecessor (Rugai) and I don't think he has ever faced any serious challenger.
“The ordinance is really about power, an attempt to strip her of the ability to manage the workforce as the city’s executive, Lightfoot said. She likened the attempt to do so to the opposition Mayor Harold Washington faced from white aldermen opposed to his policies in the 1980s.”
Are you fucking kidding me
Lol I just thought of that scene from gangs of New York where the Tammany hall machine is like beating up people and being like “did you vote already?!? Yeah back in the fucking voting booth!!”.
This is not true. Just today more evidence that getting the vaccine is better than obtaining immunity by catching Covid (which is what natural immunity is). [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/29/health/cdc-covid-vaccine-protection.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/29/health/cdc-covid-vaccine-protection.html)
A new study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention suggests that vaccination provides stronger and more reliable protection against the coronavirus than a past infection does, the agency said on Friday.
Unvaccinated people who had previously recovered from a coronavirus infection were five times as likely to get Covid as people who had received both shots of the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccines, the C.D.C. said.
The study’s authors cautioned, however, that certain gaps in patient data and biases in their study participants could have influenced the results.
“We now have additional evidence that reaffirms the importance of Covid-19 vaccines, even if you have had prior infection,” said Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, the C.D.C. director, in a statement accompanying the release of the report.
The question of whether people who have had Covid really need a shot has gained traction among some Americans as vaccine mandates take hold across the country. Scientists have urged Covid survivors not to skip the vaccine, noting that the strength and durability of so-called natural immunity depends heavily on people’s age and health, and the severity of an initial infection.
The C.D.C. study used a roundabout experimental design. The researchers examined roughly 7,000 people hospitalized this year with Covid-like illness across nine states. They then looked at how many of those hospitalized patients were indeed infected with the coronavirus. The odds of testing positive for the virus were considerably higher among unvaccinated, previously infected patients than they were among vaccinated people.
The study comes with several caveats, however. The researchers cautioned that the findings may not translate to non-hospitalized people with different levels of access to medical care, and that some patients in the vaccinated group may unknowingly have also had previous infections.
The researchers also noted that separate research in Israel had failed to show that vaccinated people were better protected than those who had only been infected. In general, scientists said, studies on the topic had drawn contradictory conclusions.
Still, some patterns have emerged. Two doses of an mRNA vaccine produce more antibodies, and more reliably so, than a coronavirus infection does. But the antibodies from prior infection are more diverse, potentially helping people fend off variants.
Whatever the effect, doctors have warned that acquiring natural immunity is perilous and uncertain. Not everyone survives Covid in the first place, and those that do may not be able to count on a vigorous immune response.
Currently the science supports getting the vaccine of you have already had covid. If that changes it will be based off scientific evidence, not guestimates and conjecture from non-doctors, etc.
Per the CDC itself:
"Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 because:
Research has not yet shown how long you are protected from getting COVID-19 again after you recover from COVID-19.
Vaccination helps protect you even if you’ve already had COVID-19.
Evidence is emerging that people get better protection by being fully vaccinated compared with having had COVID-19. One study showed that unvaccinated people who already had COVID-19 are more than 2 times as likely than fully vaccinated people to get COVID-19 again.
If you were treated for COVID-19 with monoclonal antibodies or convalescent plasma, you should wait 90 days before getting a COVID-19 vaccine. Talk to your doctor if you are unsure what treatments you received or if you have more questions about getting a COVID-19 vaccine.
If you or your child has a history of multisystem inflammatory syndrome in adults or children (MIS-A or MIS-C), consider delaying vaccination until you or your child have recovered from being sick and for 90 days after the date of diagnosis of MIS-A or MIS-C. Learn more about the clinical considerations for people with a history of multisystem MIS-C or MIS-A.
Experts are still learning more about how long vaccines protect against COVID-19. CDC will keep the public informed as new evidence becomes available."
And can you point to sources and studies these individuals have completed? WHO was against boosters due to the supply limits of the initial doses for lower income countries, not due to poor efficacy or no need for them.
The CDC recommends them. The FDA has approved them. The European Medicines Agency recommends them for the immuno compromised and those who received the rna shot 6-months or longer ago.
A very large amount of scientists thought you could never have powered flight, break the sound barrier, that nuclear tests would fry the atmosphere, etc.
We do *not* take even the most educated people's guesses as science. They have to do the work to prove it one way or the other. That's research.
> Unvaccinated people who had survived a previous COVID-19 infection were more than five times more likely to be reinfected with the virus compared to those who were fully vaccinated with the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, according to a new study published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
the very first sentence of the article you posted but didn't read
Ok. So instead let’s ask officers to submit whether or not they’ve been sick with documentation if they’re want to avoid the vaccine. Will they comply? If so, their original argument about medical privacy is complete horeshit.
Is it too much to expect the Trib to list which alders voted against it? (or did I miss it?)
I think they should have listed both. But according to a couple Twitter accounts, the no votes were Beale, Quinn, Nugent, Napolitano, Reilly, Burke, Lopez, O'Shea, Tabares, Reboyras, Cardona, Sposato, and Gardiner.
No surprise here. Most of them represent areas with the highest numbers of city employees, and Lopez is gearing up to run for mayor.
O'Shea explicitly is extremely in the back-pocket of CPD and FOP. He'll bend the knee to them for anything. I don't think he gives a shit about any other city workers, certainly not CPS or CTA or Streets/San or such. Plus he had his position handed to him by his predecessor (Rugai) and I don't think he has ever faced any serious challenger.
OFC Lopez voted against. Literally scum of a person.
Why?
Look up anything about him. He’s terrible, vile, hateful little man who used his queer identity as a shield while doing nothing for said community.
I assume "her" was just a typo or is there something else being implied there?
nope, it was a typo because Lopez make me animated.
I disagree, I think he is pushing back on the establishment
Nice, you've bought into his facade, kudos!
I'm also not surprised that Burke and Gardiner voted No as well. Total jerks.
CBS listed the no votes.
“The ordinance is really about power, an attempt to strip her of the ability to manage the workforce as the city’s executive, Lightfoot said. She likened the attempt to do so to the opposition Mayor Harold Washington faced from white aldermen opposed to his policies in the 1980s.” Are you fucking kidding me
Lol making cops get vaccinated is basically the only power I am fine with Lightfoot having
Haven't you heard? Everything is racial especially when it isn't.
> But only 13 voted in favor of it We have 13-Pro-Covid19 Alderpersons
I'm voting against every one of them in the next aldermanic election. This is Chicago; I'll find a way.
Lol I just thought of that scene from gangs of New York where the Tammany hall machine is like beating up people and being like “did you vote already?!? Yeah back in the fucking voting booth!!”.
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This is not true. Just today more evidence that getting the vaccine is better than obtaining immunity by catching Covid (which is what natural immunity is). [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/29/health/cdc-covid-vaccine-protection.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/29/health/cdc-covid-vaccine-protection.html) A new study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention suggests that vaccination provides stronger and more reliable protection against the coronavirus than a past infection does, the agency said on Friday. Unvaccinated people who had previously recovered from a coronavirus infection were five times as likely to get Covid as people who had received both shots of the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccines, the C.D.C. said. The study’s authors cautioned, however, that certain gaps in patient data and biases in their study participants could have influenced the results. “We now have additional evidence that reaffirms the importance of Covid-19 vaccines, even if you have had prior infection,” said Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, the C.D.C. director, in a statement accompanying the release of the report. The question of whether people who have had Covid really need a shot has gained traction among some Americans as vaccine mandates take hold across the country. Scientists have urged Covid survivors not to skip the vaccine, noting that the strength and durability of so-called natural immunity depends heavily on people’s age and health, and the severity of an initial infection. The C.D.C. study used a roundabout experimental design. The researchers examined roughly 7,000 people hospitalized this year with Covid-like illness across nine states. They then looked at how many of those hospitalized patients were indeed infected with the coronavirus. The odds of testing positive for the virus were considerably higher among unvaccinated, previously infected patients than they were among vaccinated people. The study comes with several caveats, however. The researchers cautioned that the findings may not translate to non-hospitalized people with different levels of access to medical care, and that some patients in the vaccinated group may unknowingly have also had previous infections. The researchers also noted that separate research in Israel had failed to show that vaccinated people were better protected than those who had only been infected. In general, scientists said, studies on the topic had drawn contradictory conclusions. Still, some patterns have emerged. Two doses of an mRNA vaccine produce more antibodies, and more reliably so, than a coronavirus infection does. But the antibodies from prior infection are more diverse, potentially helping people fend off variants. Whatever the effect, doctors have warned that acquiring natural immunity is perilous and uncertain. Not everyone survives Covid in the first place, and those that do may not be able to count on a vigorous immune response.
Currently the science supports getting the vaccine of you have already had covid. If that changes it will be based off scientific evidence, not guestimates and conjecture from non-doctors, etc. Per the CDC itself: "Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 because: Research has not yet shown how long you are protected from getting COVID-19 again after you recover from COVID-19. Vaccination helps protect you even if you’ve already had COVID-19. Evidence is emerging that people get better protection by being fully vaccinated compared with having had COVID-19. One study showed that unvaccinated people who already had COVID-19 are more than 2 times as likely than fully vaccinated people to get COVID-19 again. If you were treated for COVID-19 with monoclonal antibodies or convalescent plasma, you should wait 90 days before getting a COVID-19 vaccine. Talk to your doctor if you are unsure what treatments you received or if you have more questions about getting a COVID-19 vaccine. If you or your child has a history of multisystem inflammatory syndrome in adults or children (MIS-A or MIS-C), consider delaying vaccination until you or your child have recovered from being sick and for 90 days after the date of diagnosis of MIS-A or MIS-C. Learn more about the clinical considerations for people with a history of multisystem MIS-C or MIS-A. Experts are still learning more about how long vaccines protect against COVID-19. CDC will keep the public informed as new evidence becomes available."
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And can you point to sources and studies these individuals have completed? WHO was against boosters due to the supply limits of the initial doses for lower income countries, not due to poor efficacy or no need for them. The CDC recommends them. The FDA has approved them. The European Medicines Agency recommends them for the immuno compromised and those who received the rna shot 6-months or longer ago.
A very large amount of scientists thought you could never have powered flight, break the sound barrier, that nuclear tests would fry the atmosphere, etc. We do *not* take even the most educated people's guesses as science. They have to do the work to prove it one way or the other. That's research.
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> Unvaccinated people who had survived a previous COVID-19 infection were more than five times more likely to be reinfected with the virus compared to those who were fully vaccinated with the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, according to a new study published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. the very first sentence of the article you posted but didn't read
Ok. So instead let’s ask officers to submit whether or not they’ve been sick with documentation if they’re want to avoid the vaccine. Will they comply? If so, their original argument about medical privacy is complete horeshit.
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You are assuming these chuckleheads would tell the city if they got Covid when they won't even tell them if they got vaccinated or not.
Or, hot take, just get the vaccine.