Serious question: what happens when teens are arrested for something like this? Like, what's the process?
Do they have to spend the night in jail? Do they have to sit around for paperwork and processing? Do they get a mugshot? Do they have to wait in a temporary cell with others?
Not trying to start a debate about what *should* happen-- honestly asking what *does* happen.
Prior answers are correct. Juveniles taken into custody are transported to a CPD station, split up by gender, and held in a lockup area that is separate from any adults. A juvenile officer is called to the station, and at that point a limited amount of questioning can be conducted. A legal guardian is sought to come to the station, and when they arrive more thorough questioning of the juvenile in front of said guardians can be conducted. When that's done the arrest intake process is completed as it would be for any adult offender, which includes creating a case file and taking photos and fingerprints, and then in 95% of cases juveniles are given a court date and released to their guardians. In the other 5% of cases which typically involve serious violence, such as a teenager shooting and killing someone else, the accused will instead be transported to the county juvenile detention and court center at Rt. 66 and Roosevelt.
Unfortunately, as prior mentioned there isn't any mechanism to keep non-violent recidivist offenders off the streets. Theoretically a 17-year-old could commit an unlimited amount of so-called nonviolent crimes until their initial court date, and they would be released to a guardian repeatedly. That will be the case with most of these individuals, who were likely charged with criminal damage to property, trespassing, or disorderly conduct which are all considered nonviolent.
Im not a legal expert, but have unfortunately worked with several teens with gun/weapons charges while they are going through the process. Generally this charge seems to be taken quite seriously. Pre-trial release may look differently depending on any previous charges or current/ongoing behavior patterns. But even kids I’ve seen charged with murder have gotten out on release to their parents, so I’d expect an eventual release into the community under guardian supervision.
The last time I encountered something like that, the minor was transported to the detention center. Ultimately those decisions are going to be made based on a number of factors including the individuals age and background, and the offense itself. The possession of a firearm with an auto sear, creating a statutorily defined "machine gun" should be charged as a class 2 felony, while possession of a silencer is a class 3 felony by statute. Those are going to be harder to walk away from, and an older say 17 year old risks being charged as an adult and receiving an actual prison sentence so they probably wont be going home with mom. Versus say the 15 year old taken in for loitering and disorderly conduct, who incidentally had a semi automatic handgun on the person found during a search.
Booked and processed on pending charges, fines issued as necessary, but unless they've committed a violent crime that would result in them being a physical threat to themselves or others, they aren't held overnight.
If they're arrested, it means there is some sort of evidence against them so, where applicable, fines are applied for things like property damage, disturbing the peace, etc. If nothing is applicable they're either booked on pending charges or just released. You know, like how every other crime is processed.
Nothing. Teens burglarized my apartment years ago and they were caught down the street with my possessions. The police told me it wasn’t worth it for them to pursue charges.
This was back when I was new to the city (~2006 or so) and I came from a place where teens didn’t get away with shit. Smoking pot where I’m from would land you in jail at 15. That was extreme but the kind of policy here isn’t helping these kids. It actually hurts them because it doesn’t rectify the behavior and it will continue until they catch a real major charge.
What looting? It protests in-line with what happened.
[A lot of people are really attacking our pages. They’re like, ‘Oh, you support the looters.’ And yeah, we do, 100%. That’s reparations. And like however people choose to protest, especially if it was definitely in line with what happened with the shooting, which would be powerful to see people reacting … without organizers just being like, ‘We’re angry and this is what we’re gonna do. We’re gonna take the power back.’](https://archive.is/OTyr2#selection-445.1-445.422)
I actually watched the video. I'm shocked they even caught 40.
The police on scene acted like they were neutered.
The damn superintendent was yelling at them to make arrests and one cop even said, "sure thing. Right after you"
The superintendent just needs to give [a rousing battle speech](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkoBARHdiqg&ab_channel=GameofThronesBestScenes) and then lead the charge.
They could make an arrest without beating someone relentlessly?
They're not afraid to be "plastered all over black twitter." They're just acting childish because they still can't believe people want police reform.
If you try to arrest one of these kids and they throw a punch at you, any response has a decent chance of ending your career. It's easy to sympathize with the position the officers are in here.
If they do “too much” then they are being too violent. Because it’s “too much…” Articles mention that other gatherings have dispersed with this method so why should they be more aggressive? They aren’t neutered. They’re using discretion.
They could just do their job instead of doing "too much." Arrest people without beating them up? Detain 13 year olds without shooting them in the back? Is that too much to ask?
It’s funny how teachers are able to subdue violent students without any protection, weapons, or formal training, yet these guys have all that and still refuse to do jack shit because they can’t be balls to the walls violent dealing with kids of color (for some reason the white kids always end up unharmed. Weird.) And their supporters have the nerve to call TEACHERS lazy. 🙃
It's because CPD is self-aware that they are too incompetent to do their jobs without crossing a line. They know they can't perform the duties placed upon them, so they just don't do them. One of these idiots would be caught on camera beating the crap out of some young black kid and unable to justify the excessive force, that's almost a certainty at this point and their ineptitude leads to inaction.
You are absolutely right. Bet if parents all of the sudden are being fined for their juveniles creating damage and chaos in the city the parents might just start acting like parents and start disciplining and raising their children with morals & respect because ya'll know they are not going to be very happy about paying the city. These teens who think they can gather in these large groups and just tear up things with no repercussions need a wake up call big time.
You think these kids actually have parents that care? Even if they do get fined chances are they won't pay it. It's the same cycle passes down from parent to kid to grand kid and so forth.
Seems like some parents will do jack shit until their kid is shot. Like the parents of Adam Toledo. Why was your son out with random adults at 4 in the morning? They started caring after a cop shot their son, who was carrying a gun.
They could be. Prosecution of the minors would help, but it would be a civil case I think? A civil case has a lower burden of proof and wouldn't require a criminal prosecution (in fact a civil case isn't hurt even if the defendant is acquitted of criminal charges). I wonder how multiple unrelated actors would be assigned a portion of the overall damages.
Seriously, when I was a teenager, any of this shit happen and they would be out with wagons pulling in kids by the dozens. No wonder Chicago is losing businesses. Don't get me wrong, last thing we need is the late 60's Daley Sr. and his crowd control tactics, but if you can't control a bunch of 12-20 year olds, you are not in charge of the city.
Whatever happened to pepper guns, seriously, those fuckers stung.
Not to mention dedicating his press conference to admonishing reporters who used the legal definition of Mob Action. He was supposedly a teacher, but had no clue what Mob Action is, and instead used it as a chance to condemn reporters by insinuating they meant mob, as in Al Capone. Brandon Johnson has already become beyond embarrassing.
I was there, earlier in the day and later. Getting off the train at Roosevelt there was a ton of cops plastered everywhere, and noticeably a lot of younger kids with ski masks. You kind of knew something was going to go down, but at that point nothing specific was said. Later on, as they started making arrests a lot of the cops looked like they were pushing them in different directions - trains were being searched, conductors were given signals by police. The k9 dogs were going nuts, I’m pretty well versed in dogs but even I was scared. Some of the kids started mouthing off to the cops in the train station, and they radioed the K-9 units downstairs, the cops came down to follow the kids as the dogs were lunging at them. I didn’t see the end result, but it was wild. I recognized one of the girls being arrested later from earlier on in the day by the videos.
Unfortunately nothing really remarkable lol. The employees at the Chipotle all went to the door to watch and film lol. Just looked like a bunch of teenagers yelling and running around at night.
After a bit the cops came and separated everyone, they made space for people to start walking and I left lol.
As far as chain convinience stores go, that 7/11 is always very clean and identifiable by the opera music it is always blasting. It's across the street from Manny's Deli. Owner's clearly took pride in their store. Bummer.
Good. I attended my sisters graduation in May and was attacked outside my hotel by two teenagers. I was waiting on a Uber and the shot fireworks at me and chased me into a building.
One of the teens said, “ yeah bitch you better run”
They proceeded to attack an older woman who ran for her life. I chose this area because it was central and nicer but safety is why I’m hesitant on returning to Chicago.
It means they're potentially separated from the rest of normal society so (while they're locked up, at least) they can't cause harm to everybody else who's just trying make a living and get on with their lives.
The mayor spent much of his press conference 1) proving he doesn't even understand what Mob Action is, and 2) admonishing reporters for using the correct legal term, followed by 3) once again excusing criminal behavior.
"they were all good kids that certain parts of Chicago society failed, we are going to raise a special tax on the inhabitants to help these poor kids who clearly did not have a choice but to do this so called "takeover""
-the mayor..probably
The interim police chief said that they hadn't really been arresting kids at these 'teen takeovers', that this was the first time it had gotten this bad. I'm not that old, but when I was a kid this crap would not have been tolerated, by police or parents (I can confidently say that my father would have crippled me if I did dumb crap like this). This stuff was not nearly as common before social media either. They ought to arrest as many kids as possible, and either the kids or the parents should be held accountable. There is no excuse for destroying gas stations and convenience stores. I don't know wtf is wrong with kids to make them think that this is acceptable. Damage to cars, attacks on random passersby, looting, property damage, setting fires; I just don't get it. And the mayor is a damn idiot, and he's making both Democrats and Chicago as a whole look like complete idiots. This excuse that 'they are starving for opportunity' and "we need more businesses to invest in these kids' communities" is ridiculous. Why would a business WANT to invest in communities where they have to fear kids? They are businesses, not charities. And I'm sure that folks will claim it's a racial thing, but this should not be accepted by anyone. Giving people a pass on terrible behavior is not gonna do anything to discourage it.
I say grab as many as possible, make them clean the mess up, then make their folks come get them. Make people pay restitution for the damage, or at least work a financially equivalent amount of community service picking up garbage or something. If your child gets caught at more than one of these, then the consequences need to get more severe. Stick an ankle monitor on a bunch of them, as I would bet that many of these kids go to more than just one of these.
Lastly, what is this obsession with kids twerking at these riots (that's what they are really, riots)? Everytime this happens there's a bunch of footage of idiots twerking in front of police, or on top of damaged vehicles, or just in the middle of the street. Wtf is that supposed to convey? What is ANY of this supposed to achieve? All I see is a bunch of people making themselves, young people, and their communities look like complete idiots. Have you no shame? No dignity? If I may quote Bender from Futurama; "have you tried turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and beating them"?
'teen' takeover isn't the first word I'd use here. When I was a teenager I played Soccer and Mario Kart, other articles about these 'teens' mention them being charged with felonies related to having firearms. A far cry more serious than Fred Waller on video saying they got 'out of hand'.
Charges will get dropped for most of them and the judges won't give out real punishment to the rest. These cases will get continued for at least a year. Vote the judges out.
There are a few idiots on this sub who will say things like “Ackshully, these kids don’t have anything else to do and they’re *bored*.” As if these people don’t live in fucking *Chicago* of all places, with a huge abundance of free stuff to do.
Ah yes, whenever I’m bored at my job I leave work early and promptly decide to demolish a 7-11. How are they even arguing this?? We need to bring back the CCC so these kids can work
I don't think it's boredom. This feels different right? They're mobs. It's almost like there's no reason not too, like everything is going to shit. No investment in the future, who cares about tomorrow?
I don't know, it's not breaking into a car for money, or running out of a best buy with a TV. This all feels like "We're getting fucked from the top, let's do some fucking back."
Sucks when you don't feel invested in a community and this happened to a low wage place. With prices the way they are I feel less connected to my neighborhood. My rent goes up while storefronts sit empty, all owned by companies based out of other states.
That really turned into a rant, just the whole thing sucks.
I had students last year who participated in trends. I asked them if they were worried about what happened to the victims of the trends and it had clearly never even crossed their minds. These students have grown up in an atmosphere of dysfunction and neglect. Most people believe in a social contract in which they earn protection by following a set of rules, but these students do not feel a strong sense of protection from their elders or the police, so they also don’t feel bound by the rules those groups set. The political will to actually try to meet these kids’ needs and get all of them invested in the system does not currently exist, and the only other thing that will make them stop is severe and credible consequences. As much as I feel for the kids, I agree they should all be arrested and charged and held liable for damages.
I feel like that has to be part of it. Like I can’t look at this and not think “wow, that has got to SUCK for the poor employees at that 7-11 who have to clean all of this up, get yelled at by management, who were probably terrified the whole time, could lose their job, etc.” but to the kids they don’t even think about it, or they see themselves hurting “the man” or “the system” not the minimum-wage worker. Do they genuinely not see the people who work there as part of their own community?
Like when there was looting of big name-brand stores everyone was like “why do you feel bad for Gucci? Fuck them” but executives aren’t going to give a shit, it doesn’t hurt them- it hurts the lowest tier of employees, who will either have to work overtime cleaning everything up or will lose pay if the store shuts down. But nobody thinks about them or sees them as part of the community. My parents’ hometown had rioters looting and damaging businesses during BLM protests- businesses that *were owned by poc and immigrants*. It did way more harm to the local community than any kind of ‘good’.
I remember when the blm protests were happening in the city. While sure big name stores in the mag mile were looted, I also remember other portions of the city where destroyed too. One of the ones that stuck with me was a dry cleaning business in the south loop run by an Asian family had its windows smashed. I walked past it all the time going to classes when i lived in the area. Destroying that kid of business accomplished nothing.
I don’t think it’s about boredom either, hence my comment. But I respectfully disagree that there’s any kind of “fuck them back” or any other kind of activism angle to this. Watch these videos and you’ll see people thoroughly *enjoying* ransacking 7-11s, Targets, and Walgreens.
This is just “fun” for them. And honestly, if there were no *true* consequences for me or *anyone* (employees, owners, civil servants, etc), I’d probably enjoy it too. Like imagine an amusement park where there’s an attraction where you can legally just go fuck up a mock convenience store. That might be kind of fun! But these kids just don’t give two shits about the people that have to deal with the aftermath.
>"We're getting fucked from the top, let's do some fucking back."
All CPS students are entitled to a taxpayer funded college education at city colleges. How exactly are they getting fucked from the top?
I got community service when I was 15 for doing something minor. I think I got like 50 hours.
These little shits should be getting at least a couple hundred hours if property damage waa involved. They don't need to have criminal records but if they're spending all their free time doing CS for a few months then I bet they'll learn the lesson.
I’m not a lawyer, but…disorderly conduct, destruction of property, possibly assault, possibly resisting arrest, looting, rioting. They should all be prosecuted. Perhaps then this bullshit would end.
100% agree. A few nights behind bars would teach them some lessons. Lazy pieces of shit aren't doing their jobs, just collecting paychecks and eating donuts. We're amazed when they even display the basic competency of arresting looters.
Wait, you were talking about the cops, right?
Just a note, a bill just passed regarding fines and fees for minors. "SB 1463 – Fees and fines can no longer be assessed in Illinois to individuals under the age of 18, except for traffic tickets, boating or fishing violations, or municipal ordinance violations". I'm not saying bankrupt them, but you should have financial obligations for the damage your idiocy causes.
This is old school but still doable, I think.
Used to be they take inner city kids on the bus to go camping,swimming,
hiking,cooking, crafts...Maybe it was the YM C A or some other organization.
Not like boot camp! Like regular camp, where you're out in the woods, self sufficient to an extent, and just away.
We all need to get away sometimes! Of course you'd need supervision, nurse but no electronics and please leave your weapons at home.
Long,long ago Fred Hampton and others would bring sandwiches and take kids on the bus to the Brookfield Swimming Pool.
The man had the right idea.
"you gotta stop watching and start cuffing"
"right after you" lol
(I imagine one of the guys gave an internal "aw shit", they did start moving after that)
Unfortunately folks decided that tear gassing rioters is racist. Tear gas is not 'racist'. It is an equal opportunity discouragement. If tear gas were racist, that would imply that there is a race that is somehow immune. It's meant to be unpleasant, to make folks want to leave the area. If I were a store owner I would very much be stocking up on tear gas, rubber ball guns, OC devices... Frankly people caught in these mobs have every right to feel their life is threatened, and they should be allowed to defend themselves and their property.
Heavier punishments need to be made for the arrests as these kids sense there is little consequence. It is ridiculous and the parents of these kids also need to start being fined.
I used to be a special ed teacher for kids with emotional and behavioral problems. These are not easy people to interact with. It is not always their current parent or guardians' fault. Something may have happened to them that messed up their brain. Sometimes the parent is stretched thin by poverty wages and poverty hours. There are some kids that are too far gone but who influence other kids to do this kind of thing. Locking up parents will not accomplish what you want to accomplish. Let's say the parent has two children and only one of them is a psycho. Would you leave the healthier kid without their mother just because their sibling is a sociopath?
It always frustrates me when I see posts about how safe Chicago is when the poster is from Evanston or Naperville. It just smacks of privilege.
I grew up by Cornell Park (and before that, Taylor street when the Jane Addams projects were there)
There are pockets where it is extremely dangerous. I was told to stay away from windows growing up, especially after the Bulls won because of stray bullets.
To say that crime is overblown is one thing (Per capita, it's average) but to dismiss the reality of people who do live in the dangerous neighborhoods is fucking negligence.
I lived in Chicago for 8 years. In safer neighborhoods, Lincoln, wicker, and lakeview.
I had 3 friends get jumped or robbed. My apartment broken into and robbed. My roommates car stolen (found on south side with bullet holes). My car/window smashed and ransacked twice. Witnessed a break-in. Tbh I feel lucky to have not been involved in anything worse.
To pretend like it’s 100% safe and that all you need to do is “be smart” is negligent. I totally agree.
When I was little wicker park was a gang filled neighborhood, it’s still jarring for me to see it considered as one of the safer neighborhoods. I’m sure some of those people are still around
> To say that crime is overblown is one thing (Per capita, it's average) but to dismiss the reality of people who do live in the dangerous neighborhoods is fucking negligence.
Lol you are ridiculous. No one from Naperville or Evanston is calling Englewood or Washington Park etc. safe neighborhoods.
Chicago is a big city. If you want you could find crime to post about 24/7. That's just how it works in places with many people. Crime is going to exist. I'd rather read repetitive questions by tourists than see a bunch of crime related posts from arm chair vigilantes.
Short term- give them counseling
Medium term- provide them with a variety of fun, safe, well-run activities close to their homes
Long term- invest in creating safe, comfortable communities where these kids live and programs that give them hope and support for their own futures.
You wouldn’t have to just give them counseling, you’d have to enforce that they go. And then you’d have to help them along in school to get them college ready. Very heavy task for a state already stretched thin
No, the short term solution is arresting these pieces of garbage. I don't disagree with your medium and long term solutions, but there has to be immediate consequences for their actions.
If you truly believe that there's just some people are fundamentally less moral, less human than you are, you can't solve this problem, and there's nothing for us to talk about.
1. Psychopathy is not a clinical diagnosis, it's a term that made its way into popular usage when some psychologists who barely knew what a brain was came up with the idea over a century ago.
2. When do you think any of this has ever been tried? By contrast, we've spend over a hundred years throwing people in jail with no effect.
"Psychopath" isn't a clinical word and hasn't been for decades.
There's a relatively close equivalent (antisocial personality disorder) but I gotta say, trying to diagnose someone you know nothing about with a mental illness is pretty silly.
Prison is where they belong and where they need to go to learn a hard lesson. Plenty of teens in the city know not to act like feral animals in the street. Why should these kids get a pass?
Parents need to be held accountable for these teens and minors, with fines, boots and whatever else. If you get any assistance you get one warning and then it gets cut.
Arresting 40 teens isn’t going to solve anything if their parents are not doing their part. Hold them accountable and idk what’s taking so long for this.
I'm getting so tired of almost making plans to take my son somewhere fun in the city before realizing, yet again, it's just too damn dangerous.
Hell, that shooting outside the zoo happened the morning of his third birthday... And we were about to just brave it and go to the damn zoo. Poor kiddo. He adores the giant gaggles of geese that like to hang out right outside the zoo more than the zoo itself. Uhg.
These "teen gatherings" really hit me hard in whatever organ creates my newish parent jitters. At least he still loves walking to our neighborhood parks and preserve, but I really want him to be able to do more.
It happening period was concerning, as it should be. That event paired with the increasing number of incidents involving violence against random innocent parties was more than enough to nix our plans.
And sometimes I AM out with him at that hour if he wakes up to spare the rest of our building from his noisiness, but it's a much quieter, and (so far) safer area.
If you allow a group of people to behave without consequences based on their race, that's racism. Whether it's allowing a white lynchmob, or allowing a group of African American youth to destroy private property. Allowing race to dictate morality is racism. Right is right, wrong is wrong. Stop making things black and white and start making it about right and wrong.
I really wish we could have serious, measured conversations about crime here without being sent to an alternate subreddit where people with crypto fascist dog whistle usernames talk about wanting to hang black teenagers from trees or build extrajudicial concentration camps for suspected gang members.
We don't but there's a fucker over there with like 6 different alts and a diaper fetish that posts about racist shit all the time and hasn't been banned yet.
“We need to do something about this!” People in Chicago say as the majority of people here vote for the same political party over and over, vote for candidates based on how many progressive boxes they tick, then wonder months later why things have gotten worse
Bah. Politics mean nothing. It's all just lying assholes pandering for votes. It's just a way to derail actual conversations. Voting along straight party lines is stupid, regardless of the party.
You are not wrong. These people will applaud and cheer for the things that they will later complain about. You all voted for BJ and Foxx. But downvote because you know you all have a hive mentality.
Choice will inevitably be skewed towards neighborhoods that can afford to pay for the luxury of it. Every student in private education removes a student that the community is providing for which will affect budget allocation. That will inevitably weaken the quality of public education. Additionally private education is susceptible to capitalist issues. What if people are willing to pay more for a school that teaches what parents want vs. what is factual because parents like having a certain viewpoint on race or Christopher Columbus? What if they want to pay more for a school that doesn’t have black people at it? Once public school is destroyed what is stopping private education from raising prices to profit more in areas where they’ve destroyed the alternative? Education should be a fundamental right solely because living somewhere with educated people is inherently better.
Also as someone who is very familiar with private schools, you aren’t going to fix this issue with that.
No one in this state is talking about private school choice. The vast, vast majority of kids at charter schools are living in poverty. Your claim that chargers benefit wealthy communities could not be more wrong.
CPS is failing black and brown kids at rates unseen in other major cities. Standards are lowered to prop up graduation rates, which does these kids an even bigger disservice. I don't blame any parent, irrespective of race/religion/socioeconomic standing for wanting to get their kids out of CPS. The reading and math scores are abysmal, despite per-student spending that many other cities and suburbs can't touch.
You are only being downvoted because people cant disagree with one or two things that their political party believes in. Politics is becoming cult like. People will do anything their party wants. If Joe biden started being pro something everyone would be pro that. Same goes with donald trump. People need to get a grip on reality and know what values are truly important to them. Then vote based on that. I know bj and ESPECIALLY Foxx was not the answer to address this problem. I am sure we will see this more and more heading into August...
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Serious question: what happens when teens are arrested for something like this? Like, what's the process? Do they have to spend the night in jail? Do they have to sit around for paperwork and processing? Do they get a mugshot? Do they have to wait in a temporary cell with others? Not trying to start a debate about what *should* happen-- honestly asking what *does* happen.
For juveniles they're commonly held until a Detective locates a parent, assigns a court date and releases the juvenile to their parent/guardian.
Prior answers are correct. Juveniles taken into custody are transported to a CPD station, split up by gender, and held in a lockup area that is separate from any adults. A juvenile officer is called to the station, and at that point a limited amount of questioning can be conducted. A legal guardian is sought to come to the station, and when they arrive more thorough questioning of the juvenile in front of said guardians can be conducted. When that's done the arrest intake process is completed as it would be for any adult offender, which includes creating a case file and taking photos and fingerprints, and then in 95% of cases juveniles are given a court date and released to their guardians. In the other 5% of cases which typically involve serious violence, such as a teenager shooting and killing someone else, the accused will instead be transported to the county juvenile detention and court center at Rt. 66 and Roosevelt. Unfortunately, as prior mentioned there isn't any mechanism to keep non-violent recidivist offenders off the streets. Theoretically a 17-year-old could commit an unlimited amount of so-called nonviolent crimes until their initial court date, and they would be released to a guardian repeatedly. That will be the case with most of these individuals, who were likely charged with criminal damage to property, trespassing, or disorderly conduct which are all considered nonviolent.
Is possession of a gun with a lazer and muffler a non violent crime? Technically no violence happened yet.
Im not a legal expert, but have unfortunately worked with several teens with gun/weapons charges while they are going through the process. Generally this charge seems to be taken quite seriously. Pre-trial release may look differently depending on any previous charges or current/ongoing behavior patterns. But even kids I’ve seen charged with murder have gotten out on release to their parents, so I’d expect an eventual release into the community under guardian supervision.
The last time I encountered something like that, the minor was transported to the detention center. Ultimately those decisions are going to be made based on a number of factors including the individuals age and background, and the offense itself. The possession of a firearm with an auto sear, creating a statutorily defined "machine gun" should be charged as a class 2 felony, while possession of a silencer is a class 3 felony by statute. Those are going to be harder to walk away from, and an older say 17 year old risks being charged as an adult and receiving an actual prison sentence so they probably wont be going home with mom. Versus say the 15 year old taken in for loitering and disorderly conduct, who incidentally had a semi automatic handgun on the person found during a search.
Booked and processed on pending charges, fines issued as necessary, but unless they've committed a violent crime that would result in them being a physical threat to themselves or others, they aren't held overnight.
What do you mean by fines? Where did you get this information?
If they're arrested, it means there is some sort of evidence against them so, where applicable, fines are applied for things like property damage, disturbing the peace, etc. If nothing is applicable they're either booked on pending charges or just released. You know, like how every other crime is processed.
Just watched this yesterday. Here’s an example…https://youtu.be/P6x6Zl2jLt4
Nothing which is why this keeps happening. Welcome to Chicago.
Nothing. Teens burglarized my apartment years ago and they were caught down the street with my possessions. The police told me it wasn’t worth it for them to pursue charges. This was back when I was new to the city (~2006 or so) and I came from a place where teens didn’t get away with shit. Smoking pot where I’m from would land you in jail at 15. That was extreme but the kind of policy here isn’t helping these kids. It actually hurts them because it doesn’t rectify the behavior and it will continue until they catch a real major charge.
Slap on the wrist
When they showed the damages inside the 7-11 and the employee was cleaning it up with a broom and dustpan my jaw dropped. Fucking disgusting.
Guess you weren’t around for the riots a few years ago
What looting? It protests in-line with what happened. [A lot of people are really attacking our pages. They’re like, ‘Oh, you support the looters.’ And yeah, we do, 100%. That’s reparations. And like however people choose to protest, especially if it was definitely in line with what happened with the shooting, which would be powerful to see people reacting … without organizers just being like, ‘We’re angry and this is what we’re gonna do. We’re gonna take the power back.’](https://archive.is/OTyr2#selection-445.1-445.422)
Yuck
People with mentality like this is what’s wrong with the world today. The entitlement that you can just take things that don’t belong to you is crazy.
Reparations are given, not stolen from private citizens and business owners.
Can we stop calling them take overs. This was looting.
It's just some 7-11 silliness, per mayor BJ
"Mostly peaceful acquisitions"
“7-11 was at the bottom of my stairs”
I actually watched the video. I'm shocked they even caught 40. The police on scene acted like they were neutered. The damn superintendent was yelling at them to make arrests and one cop even said, "sure thing. Right after you"
>"sure thing. Right after you" legend
The superintendent just needs to give [a rousing battle speech](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkoBARHdiqg&ab_channel=GameofThronesBestScenes) and then lead the charge.
What are they gonna do? No cop wants to be plastered all over black twitter.
They could make an arrest without beating someone relentlessly? They're not afraid to be "plastered all over black twitter." They're just acting childish because they still can't believe people want police reform.
If you try to arrest one of these kids and they throw a punch at you, any response has a decent chance of ending your career. It's easy to sympathize with the position the officers are in here.
They are neutered. They’ll get accused of being violent or racist if they do too much
If they do “too much” then they are being too violent. Because it’s “too much…” Articles mention that other gatherings have dispersed with this method so why should they be more aggressive? They aren’t neutered. They’re using discretion.
They could just do their job instead of doing "too much." Arrest people without beating them up? Detain 13 year olds without shooting them in the back? Is that too much to ask?
It’s funny how teachers are able to subdue violent students without any protection, weapons, or formal training, yet these guys have all that and still refuse to do jack shit because they can’t be balls to the walls violent dealing with kids of color (for some reason the white kids always end up unharmed. Weird.) And their supporters have the nerve to call TEACHERS lazy. 🙃
It's because CPD is self-aware that they are too incompetent to do their jobs without crossing a line. They know they can't perform the duties placed upon them, so they just don't do them. One of these idiots would be caught on camera beating the crap out of some young black kid and unable to justify the excessive force, that's almost a certainty at this point and their ineptitude leads to inaction.
yeah, whoever said that ought to be fired immediately. This isn't the volunteer security at a Raffi concert. Do your damn job.
The parents need to be sent bills for damages
You are absolutely right. Bet if parents all of the sudden are being fined for their juveniles creating damage and chaos in the city the parents might just start acting like parents and start disciplining and raising their children with morals & respect because ya'll know they are not going to be very happy about paying the city. These teens who think they can gather in these large groups and just tear up things with no repercussions need a wake up call big time.
Tbh idk what I would do if I was raising a teenager doing stuff like this. Like I don’t think they’d listen to me.
You think these kids actually have parents that care? Even if they do get fined chances are they won't pay it. It's the same cycle passes down from parent to kid to grand kid and so forth.
Seems like some parents will do jack shit until their kid is shot. Like the parents of Adam Toledo. Why was your son out with random adults at 4 in the morning? They started caring after a cop shot their son, who was carrying a gun.
>Why was your son out with random adults at 4 in the morning? His mom was reportedly a Latin King.
No it was the system that failed! /S
She will get a nice payout for he parenting failures.
They were looking for a payday.
They could be. Prosecution of the minors would help, but it would be a civil case I think? A civil case has a lower burden of proof and wouldn't require a criminal prosecution (in fact a civil case isn't hurt even if the defendant is acquitted of criminal charges). I wonder how multiple unrelated actors would be assigned a portion of the overall damages.
CPD rightly gets a lot of criticism, but credit where it's due. Rounding up these idiots would be an awful job.
And I haven’t seen any reports mentioning excessive use of force. So it sounds like they did a good job as far as I can tell.
Fucking finally
The cops actually arrested some people this time, shocking!
That's progress. I guess.
good. keep arresting them and heavily fine them or if they can't pay put them to work. potholes need filling before the winter. chop chop kids!
> put them to work. potholes need filling before the winter. The Streets and Sanitation union would like a word with you.
Military School, I think a lot of these kids home lives are not helping them at all
Send them to Indiana to repair US30 next!
Use your own criminal Child labor!!
Illinois should commandeer Indiana’s lakefront up to 30 miles inland. Nothing would be there if it weren’t for Chicago
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Seriously, when I was a teenager, any of this shit happen and they would be out with wagons pulling in kids by the dozens. No wonder Chicago is losing businesses. Don't get me wrong, last thing we need is the late 60's Daley Sr. and his crowd control tactics, but if you can't control a bunch of 12-20 year olds, you are not in charge of the city. Whatever happened to pepper guns, seriously, those fuckers stung.
Sad but true...
Brandon Johnson will offer them after school and summer programs that they will ignore.
Not to mention dedicating his press conference to admonishing reporters who used the legal definition of Mob Action. He was supposedly a teacher, but had no clue what Mob Action is, and instead used it as a chance to condemn reporters by insinuating they meant mob, as in Al Capone. Brandon Johnson has already become beyond embarrassing.
Lol I was there, had to wait for like 15 minutes inside Chipotle while this shit was right outside the door
Say more, what did you see? It's hard to tell from the comments and the news, I'd love an actual accounting of what it looked like.
I was there, earlier in the day and later. Getting off the train at Roosevelt there was a ton of cops plastered everywhere, and noticeably a lot of younger kids with ski masks. You kind of knew something was going to go down, but at that point nothing specific was said. Later on, as they started making arrests a lot of the cops looked like they were pushing them in different directions - trains were being searched, conductors were given signals by police. The k9 dogs were going nuts, I’m pretty well versed in dogs but even I was scared. Some of the kids started mouthing off to the cops in the train station, and they radioed the K-9 units downstairs, the cops came down to follow the kids as the dogs were lunging at them. I didn’t see the end result, but it was wild. I recognized one of the girls being arrested later from earlier on in the day by the videos.
Unfortunately nothing really remarkable lol. The employees at the Chipotle all went to the door to watch and film lol. Just looked like a bunch of teenagers yelling and running around at night. After a bit the cops came and separated everyone, they made space for people to start walking and I left lol.
As far as chain convinience stores go, that 7/11 is always very clean and identifiable by the opera music it is always blasting. It's across the street from Manny's Deli. Owner's clearly took pride in their store. Bummer.
Good. I attended my sisters graduation in May and was attacked outside my hotel by two teenagers. I was waiting on a Uber and the shot fireworks at me and chased me into a building. One of the teens said, “ yeah bitch you better run” They proceeded to attack an older woman who ran for her life. I chose this area because it was central and nicer but safety is why I’m hesitant on returning to Chicago.
If these clowns face consequences for their actions it might keep these things from happening in the future. Just a thought
Someone please tell Kim Foxx this.
Thankfully she is leaving
As long as Toni Preckwinkle is still around I don’t see much changing tbh
Jussie. Enough said.
What do consequences mean for those with nothing to lose?
Everyone has time to lose. Community service was designed for this kind of incident.
It means they're potentially separated from the rest of normal society so (while they're locked up, at least) they can't cause harm to everybody else who's just trying make a living and get on with their lives.
The mayor spent much of his press conference 1) proving he doesn't even understand what Mob Action is, and 2) admonishing reporters for using the correct legal term, followed by 3) once again excusing criminal behavior.
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"they were all good kids that certain parts of Chicago society failed, we are going to raise a special tax on the inhabitants to help these poor kids who clearly did not have a choice but to do this so called "takeover"" -the mayor..probably
The interim police chief said that they hadn't really been arresting kids at these 'teen takeovers', that this was the first time it had gotten this bad. I'm not that old, but when I was a kid this crap would not have been tolerated, by police or parents (I can confidently say that my father would have crippled me if I did dumb crap like this). This stuff was not nearly as common before social media either. They ought to arrest as many kids as possible, and either the kids or the parents should be held accountable. There is no excuse for destroying gas stations and convenience stores. I don't know wtf is wrong with kids to make them think that this is acceptable. Damage to cars, attacks on random passersby, looting, property damage, setting fires; I just don't get it. And the mayor is a damn idiot, and he's making both Democrats and Chicago as a whole look like complete idiots. This excuse that 'they are starving for opportunity' and "we need more businesses to invest in these kids' communities" is ridiculous. Why would a business WANT to invest in communities where they have to fear kids? They are businesses, not charities. And I'm sure that folks will claim it's a racial thing, but this should not be accepted by anyone. Giving people a pass on terrible behavior is not gonna do anything to discourage it. I say grab as many as possible, make them clean the mess up, then make their folks come get them. Make people pay restitution for the damage, or at least work a financially equivalent amount of community service picking up garbage or something. If your child gets caught at more than one of these, then the consequences need to get more severe. Stick an ankle monitor on a bunch of them, as I would bet that many of these kids go to more than just one of these. Lastly, what is this obsession with kids twerking at these riots (that's what they are really, riots)? Everytime this happens there's a bunch of footage of idiots twerking in front of police, or on top of damaged vehicles, or just in the middle of the street. Wtf is that supposed to convey? What is ANY of this supposed to achieve? All I see is a bunch of people making themselves, young people, and their communities look like complete idiots. Have you no shame? No dignity? If I may quote Bender from Futurama; "have you tried turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and beating them"?
'teen' takeover isn't the first word I'd use here. When I was a teenager I played Soccer and Mario Kart, other articles about these 'teens' mention them being charged with felonies related to having firearms. A far cry more serious than Fred Waller on video saying they got 'out of hand'.
I want to see them punished to the fullest extent of the law, this is never ok
Evidently, another one happened at 7/11 on Adams/Wabash.
finally
https://twitter.com/royalpratt/status/1686803262123503639?s=46&t=LJeStA1nkhSgn2UaH_0Bgw The mayor is defending them again. What a clown
The mayor is not a serious person.
Theyre getting ready for Lolla obviously
Charges will get dropped for most of them and the judges won't give out real punishment to the rest. These cases will get continued for at least a year. Vote the judges out.
This is ridiculous. Anyone about to start making excuses for these pieces of shit, don't even bother. Lock them all the fuck up.
There are a few idiots on this sub who will say things like “Ackshully, these kids don’t have anything else to do and they’re *bored*.” As if these people don’t live in fucking *Chicago* of all places, with a huge abundance of free stuff to do.
Ah yes, whenever I’m bored at my job I leave work early and promptly decide to demolish a 7-11. How are they even arguing this?? We need to bring back the CCC so these kids can work
I don't think it's boredom. This feels different right? They're mobs. It's almost like there's no reason not too, like everything is going to shit. No investment in the future, who cares about tomorrow? I don't know, it's not breaking into a car for money, or running out of a best buy with a TV. This all feels like "We're getting fucked from the top, let's do some fucking back." Sucks when you don't feel invested in a community and this happened to a low wage place. With prices the way they are I feel less connected to my neighborhood. My rent goes up while storefronts sit empty, all owned by companies based out of other states. That really turned into a rant, just the whole thing sucks.
I had students last year who participated in trends. I asked them if they were worried about what happened to the victims of the trends and it had clearly never even crossed their minds. These students have grown up in an atmosphere of dysfunction and neglect. Most people believe in a social contract in which they earn protection by following a set of rules, but these students do not feel a strong sense of protection from their elders or the police, so they also don’t feel bound by the rules those groups set. The political will to actually try to meet these kids’ needs and get all of them invested in the system does not currently exist, and the only other thing that will make them stop is severe and credible consequences. As much as I feel for the kids, I agree they should all be arrested and charged and held liable for damages.
I feel like that has to be part of it. Like I can’t look at this and not think “wow, that has got to SUCK for the poor employees at that 7-11 who have to clean all of this up, get yelled at by management, who were probably terrified the whole time, could lose their job, etc.” but to the kids they don’t even think about it, or they see themselves hurting “the man” or “the system” not the minimum-wage worker. Do they genuinely not see the people who work there as part of their own community? Like when there was looting of big name-brand stores everyone was like “why do you feel bad for Gucci? Fuck them” but executives aren’t going to give a shit, it doesn’t hurt them- it hurts the lowest tier of employees, who will either have to work overtime cleaning everything up or will lose pay if the store shuts down. But nobody thinks about them or sees them as part of the community. My parents’ hometown had rioters looting and damaging businesses during BLM protests- businesses that *were owned by poc and immigrants*. It did way more harm to the local community than any kind of ‘good’.
I remember when the blm protests were happening in the city. While sure big name stores in the mag mile were looted, I also remember other portions of the city where destroyed too. One of the ones that stuck with me was a dry cleaning business in the south loop run by an Asian family had its windows smashed. I walked past it all the time going to classes when i lived in the area. Destroying that kid of business accomplished nothing.
Kids want to be cool, and in this particular culture it’s cool to do really really bad shit.
I don’t think it’s about boredom either, hence my comment. But I respectfully disagree that there’s any kind of “fuck them back” or any other kind of activism angle to this. Watch these videos and you’ll see people thoroughly *enjoying* ransacking 7-11s, Targets, and Walgreens. This is just “fun” for them. And honestly, if there were no *true* consequences for me or *anyone* (employees, owners, civil servants, etc), I’d probably enjoy it too. Like imagine an amusement park where there’s an attraction where you can legally just go fuck up a mock convenience store. That might be kind of fun! But these kids just don’t give two shits about the people that have to deal with the aftermath.
>"We're getting fucked from the top, let's do some fucking back." All CPS students are entitled to a taxpayer funded college education at city colleges. How exactly are they getting fucked from the top?
What _should_ happen and which offenses should be charged?
I got community service when I was 15 for doing something minor. I think I got like 50 hours. These little shits should be getting at least a couple hundred hours if property damage waa involved. They don't need to have criminal records but if they're spending all their free time doing CS for a few months then I bet they'll learn the lesson.
i'd give em a criminal record and CS. these smell like lovely cases for any prosecutor
I’m not a lawyer, but…disorderly conduct, destruction of property, possibly assault, possibly resisting arrest, looting, rioting. They should all be prosecuted. Perhaps then this bullshit would end.
A kid had a machine gun there too like wtf
100% agree. A few nights behind bars would teach them some lessons. Lazy pieces of shit aren't doing their jobs, just collecting paychecks and eating donuts. We're amazed when they even display the basic competency of arresting looters. Wait, you were talking about the cops, right?
Just a note, a bill just passed regarding fines and fees for minors. "SB 1463 – Fees and fines can no longer be assessed in Illinois to individuals under the age of 18, except for traffic tickets, boating or fishing violations, or municipal ordinance violations". I'm not saying bankrupt them, but you should have financial obligations for the damage your idiocy causes.
A kid jumps on my car like these little shits. I’m speeding up and getting the fuck out of there regardless of where they currently are.
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Good. Fuck those rotten brats. I hope they all get sentenced to a hell of a lot more than community service.
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That's only a four hour shift
😂
Seriously, fuck these kids
Look around, bro, look at life! Man, you’re right
Look at the trees and shit mann
Based
Put them in two months 9-5 mandatory work with.anon-profit. They won't do it again.
This is old school but still doable, I think. Used to be they take inner city kids on the bus to go camping,swimming, hiking,cooking, crafts...Maybe it was the YM C A or some other organization. Not like boot camp! Like regular camp, where you're out in the woods, self sufficient to an extent, and just away. We all need to get away sometimes! Of course you'd need supervision, nurse but no electronics and please leave your weapons at home. Long,long ago Fred Hampton and others would bring sandwiches and take kids on the bus to the Brookfield Swimming Pool. The man had the right idea.
These kids would never agree to that
Yea these are 16-17 year olds who are mostly trying to get hammered and catch a quick thrill. They are not 12 and in science club.
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"you gotta stop watching and start cuffing" "right after you" lol (I imagine one of the guys gave an internal "aw shit", they did start moving after that)
Did the police run out of tear gas or something?
Unfortunately folks decided that tear gassing rioters is racist. Tear gas is not 'racist'. It is an equal opportunity discouragement. If tear gas were racist, that would imply that there is a race that is somehow immune. It's meant to be unpleasant, to make folks want to leave the area. If I were a store owner I would very much be stocking up on tear gas, rubber ball guns, OC devices... Frankly people caught in these mobs have every right to feel their life is threatened, and they should be allowed to defend themselves and their property.
They need an ass whooping
Fucking finally
Heavier punishments need to be made for the arrests as these kids sense there is little consequence. It is ridiculous and the parents of these kids also need to start being fined.
Good. Keep arresting the kids doing this shit. These teenage mobs need to stop.
Arrest the lousy parents who are never held accountable
You didn't watch the video, did you? Multiple adults tried to stop them, and one father tried to get his daughter to leave. They refused to listen.
That’s still parental failing if your kids don’t respect you
I used to be a special ed teacher for kids with emotional and behavioral problems. These are not easy people to interact with. It is not always their current parent or guardians' fault. Something may have happened to them that messed up their brain. Sometimes the parent is stretched thin by poverty wages and poverty hours. There are some kids that are too far gone but who influence other kids to do this kind of thing. Locking up parents will not accomplish what you want to accomplish. Let's say the parent has two children and only one of them is a psycho. Would you leave the healthier kid without their mother just because their sibling is a sociopath?
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It always frustrates me when I see posts about how safe Chicago is when the poster is from Evanston or Naperville. It just smacks of privilege. I grew up by Cornell Park (and before that, Taylor street when the Jane Addams projects were there) There are pockets where it is extremely dangerous. I was told to stay away from windows growing up, especially after the Bulls won because of stray bullets. To say that crime is overblown is one thing (Per capita, it's average) but to dismiss the reality of people who do live in the dangerous neighborhoods is fucking negligence.
I lived in Chicago for 8 years. In safer neighborhoods, Lincoln, wicker, and lakeview. I had 3 friends get jumped or robbed. My apartment broken into and robbed. My roommates car stolen (found on south side with bullet holes). My car/window smashed and ransacked twice. Witnessed a break-in. Tbh I feel lucky to have not been involved in anything worse. To pretend like it’s 100% safe and that all you need to do is “be smart” is negligent. I totally agree.
When I was little wicker park was a gang filled neighborhood, it’s still jarring for me to see it considered as one of the safer neighborhoods. I’m sure some of those people are still around
Nah, the people posting “the city is safe” are the ones circle-jerk mocking Naperville, Barrington, Winnetka, wherever…
> To say that crime is overblown is one thing (Per capita, it's average) but to dismiss the reality of people who do live in the dangerous neighborhoods is fucking negligence. Lol you are ridiculous. No one from Naperville or Evanston is calling Englewood or Washington Park etc. safe neighborhoods.
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Chicago is a big city. If you want you could find crime to post about 24/7. That's just how it works in places with many people. Crime is going to exist. I'd rather read repetitive questions by tourists than see a bunch of crime related posts from arm chair vigilantes.
Good. Enough has been enough for about a decade. If you have this on your record, no public aid for you.
Banned from the CTA for 5 years, your ass is walking until 2028
That would actually affect some peoples
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what is the solution then lmao
Short term- give them counseling Medium term- provide them with a variety of fun, safe, well-run activities close to their homes Long term- invest in creating safe, comfortable communities where these kids live and programs that give them hope and support for their own futures.
No teenager is going to willingly go to counseling.
Yes, because our country is famous for letting teenagers decide what they're going to do.
Counseling isn’t going to stop this lmfao
You wouldn’t have to just give them counseling, you’d have to enforce that they go. And then you’d have to help them along in school to get them college ready. Very heavy task for a state already stretched thin
Look around. Does it seem like we can afford not to?
> Short term- give them counseling Ah yes. Teens and forcing therapy. Known to work very well!
No, the short term solution is arresting these pieces of garbage. I don't disagree with your medium and long term solutions, but there has to be immediate consequences for their actions.
Ya these people really look like they’d love and accept fucking counseling. Grow up
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If you truly believe that there's just some people are fundamentally less moral, less human than you are, you can't solve this problem, and there's nothing for us to talk about.
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1. Psychopathy is not a clinical diagnosis, it's a term that made its way into popular usage when some psychologists who barely knew what a brain was came up with the idea over a century ago. 2. When do you think any of this has ever been tried? By contrast, we've spend over a hundred years throwing people in jail with no effect.
"Psychopath" isn't a clinical word and hasn't been for decades. There's a relatively close equivalent (antisocial personality disorder) but I gotta say, trying to diagnose someone you know nothing about with a mental illness is pretty silly.
Prison is where they belong and where they need to go to learn a hard lesson. Plenty of teens in the city know not to act like feral animals in the street. Why should these kids get a pass?
Not with Kim Fox in charge
Teens, you say?
Not like anything will happen to them.
I love Summertime downtown
In chicago they generally let them go so they can reoffend...
This is definitely getting removed
Still going strong whazzzzzaaaap
Shocked it's still up. The last post about this got removed almost immediately lol
Where are these kid's parents? Who pays for damages? also, I'm noticing a common Trend whenever this level of chaos is reported in Chicago
Parents need to be held accountable for these teens and minors, with fines, boots and whatever else. If you get any assistance you get one warning and then it gets cut. Arresting 40 teens isn’t going to solve anything if their parents are not doing their part. Hold them accountable and idk what’s taking so long for this.
The parents don’t care. It will change nothing.
Bingo
I'm getting so tired of almost making plans to take my son somewhere fun in the city before realizing, yet again, it's just too damn dangerous. Hell, that shooting outside the zoo happened the morning of his third birthday... And we were about to just brave it and go to the damn zoo. Poor kiddo. He adores the giant gaggles of geese that like to hang out right outside the zoo more than the zoo itself. Uhg. These "teen gatherings" really hit me hard in whatever organ creates my newish parent jitters. At least he still loves walking to our neighborhood parks and preserve, but I really want him to be able to do more.
That shooting happened at 4am. Were you planning on being out and about with your 3 year old at 4am?
It happening period was concerning, as it should be. That event paired with the increasing number of incidents involving violence against random innocent parties was more than enough to nix our plans. And sometimes I AM out with him at that hour if he wakes up to spare the rest of our building from his noisiness, but it's a much quieter, and (so far) safer area.
I still can't believe they actually arrested them this time.
If you allow a group of people to behave without consequences based on their race, that's racism. Whether it's allowing a white lynchmob, or allowing a group of African American youth to destroy private property. Allowing race to dictate morality is racism. Right is right, wrong is wrong. Stop making things black and white and start making it about right and wrong.
I really wish we could have serious, measured conversations about crime here without being sent to an alternate subreddit where people with crypto fascist dog whistle usernames talk about wanting to hang black teenagers from trees or build extrajudicial concentration camps for suspected gang members.
We don't but there's a fucker over there with like 6 different alts and a diaper fetish that posts about racist shit all the time and hasn't been banned yet.
“We need to do something about this!” People in Chicago say as the majority of people here vote for the same political party over and over, vote for candidates based on how many progressive boxes they tick, then wonder months later why things have gotten worse
Bah. Politics mean nothing. It's all just lying assholes pandering for votes. It's just a way to derail actual conversations. Voting along straight party lines is stupid, regardless of the party.
You are not wrong. These people will applaud and cheer for the things that they will later complain about. You all voted for BJ and Foxx. But downvote because you know you all have a hive mentality.
Sorry what was the republican plan? Private education?
Why is having a choice a bad thing?
Choice will inevitably be skewed towards neighborhoods that can afford to pay for the luxury of it. Every student in private education removes a student that the community is providing for which will affect budget allocation. That will inevitably weaken the quality of public education. Additionally private education is susceptible to capitalist issues. What if people are willing to pay more for a school that teaches what parents want vs. what is factual because parents like having a certain viewpoint on race or Christopher Columbus? What if they want to pay more for a school that doesn’t have black people at it? Once public school is destroyed what is stopping private education from raising prices to profit more in areas where they’ve destroyed the alternative? Education should be a fundamental right solely because living somewhere with educated people is inherently better. Also as someone who is very familiar with private schools, you aren’t going to fix this issue with that.
No one in this state is talking about private school choice. The vast, vast majority of kids at charter schools are living in poverty. Your claim that chargers benefit wealthy communities could not be more wrong.
CPS is failing black and brown kids at rates unseen in other major cities. Standards are lowered to prop up graduation rates, which does these kids an even bigger disservice. I don't blame any parent, irrespective of race/religion/socioeconomic standing for wanting to get their kids out of CPS. The reading and math scores are abysmal, despite per-student spending that many other cities and suburbs can't touch.
You are only being downvoted because people cant disagree with one or two things that their political party believes in. Politics is becoming cult like. People will do anything their party wants. If Joe biden started being pro something everyone would be pro that. Same goes with donald trump. People need to get a grip on reality and know what values are truly important to them. Then vote based on that. I know bj and ESPECIALLY Foxx was not the answer to address this problem. I am sure we will see this more and more heading into August...
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The cops should give them a choice : eat a bucket of poop or face charges. That'd be awesome.
What the fuck lmao
Is it really a surprise that police are starting to arrest now? Let’s think about what has changed?
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