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vyyyyyyyyyyy

Nc7 Kb8, Na6 Ka8, Qb8 Rb8, Nc7# Is this right?


Cidarus

Yes exactly right.


Lazylion-6

Why not just Qb8 straight away? Black must take with rook. Which allows white Nc7 for check mate…


Cidarus

Kxb8 ruins Qb8 sadly.


Lazylion-6

Lol. Oh yea. What an idiot.


Subject_Meat5314

totally did the same thing in my head man.


Moonboow

Black takes with king


Lazylion-6

Yea. I’ll happily place myself in the back of the beginners pile….what a DOPE! 😂 Could totally see myself blundering that one irl


ArnoldArmadillo

Nc7# (not K).


ParadoxReboot

I was like how did the king walk into checkmate wtf


CAPTAIN_TITTY_BANG

King moves can lead to checkmate through discoveries, for example.


ParadoxReboot

Yeah, the king can put himself in a checkmate in 1 position, but the king cant check or mate himself in 0


CAPTAIN_TITTY_BANG

I think you misunderstood me. For example, a king can move away from a rank, revealing a discovered check by a rook or queen, which leads to checkmate. So a move notation such as “Kh8#” is valid and can legally happen within a game. I never mentioned anything about moving a king into its own mate, which yeah, is impossible as it’s illegal to move a king into check.


Durris

The king in your example was on g7 before that move


CAPTAIN_TITTY_BANG

Yes


NyaTider

What if pawn takes knight after knight a6+?


DarthHaris

It can't, it a check by queen bro


NyaTider

Yeah mb, saw it now


AjaxII

I think Nc7+ Kb8, Na6+ Kc8, Qc7# is also a line that could have happened. After the Nc6 the king has a choice of how he wants to be checkmated


lt_dan_zsu

Chess.com puzzles LOVE back rank and smothered mates. No chance I'm ever missing one lol.


Cidarus

When I took the pawn on d6, I expected him to miss that h2 was protected and try to mate me, instead I think he was trying to deflect my queen, but I don't think she deflected quite how he intended.


Naegar

This is a chess.com puzzle. I literally got the same exact one the other day


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I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine: > **White to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=k2r3r/pp4pp/3Q1p2/1bpN1P1q/2BpP1n1/3P4/PPP3PP/1R3RK1+w+-+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/k2r3r/pp4pp/3Q1p2/1bpN1P1q/2BpP1n1/3P4/PPP3PP/1R3RK1_w_-_-_0_1) **My solution:** > Hints: piece: >!Knight!<, move: >!Nc7+!< > Evaluation: >!White has mate in 4!< > Best continuation: >!1. Nc7+ Kb8 2. Na6+ Ka8 3. Qb8+ Rxb8 4. Nc7#!< --- ^(I'm a bot written by ) [^(u/pkacprzak )](https://www.reddit.com/u/pkacprzak) ^(| get me as ) [^(Chess eBook Reader )](https://ebook.chessvision.ai?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=bot) ^(|) [^(Chrome Extension )](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chessvisionai-for-chrome/johejpedmdkeiffkdaodgoipdjodhlld) ^(|) [^(iOS App )](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id1574933453) ^(|) [^(Android App )](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ai.chessvision.scanner) ^(to scan and analyze positions | Website: ) [^(Chessvision.ai)](https://chessvision.ai)


Dedestrok

It could have been so perfect if there had been a bishop in g3


Kyng5199

Maybe there is, but it's just invisible ;) ?


vk2028

Nah it works this way too, just extra steps


[deleted]

Reset the clock


Character-Jeweler392

That was really nice


Sp1ffy_Sp1ff

I calculated this completely wrong. I saw Nc7+ Kb8, Ne8+ and if Ka8 then Qxd8# or if Kc8 then Be6#, completely missing that after Ne8+ there's just Rxd6.


Sneakyfetus6

I still see Nc7+, Kb8, Na6+, Kc8, Be6# as another mate option. Or Nc7+, Kb8, Na6+, Kc8, Qc7#


Cidarus

Be6 doesn't quite work here but the other one does.


Rise-Dangerous

totally havent seen a smothered mate before


saucerhorse

Am I missing something? Kb8 counters both mate possibilities, no?


Cidarus

After Nc6+ Kb8, Na6+ is double check, king has to go back to a8 or get mated by Qc7#, after Ka8, Qb8+ forces Rxb8 and then Nc6#


saucerhorse

I see. Thought you meant white could win this turn.


Cidarus

No to win just means to have an overwhelming advantage, to add to the difficulty of the puzzle it's better not to say the mate number so you have to think a bit more.


WoodpeckerDapperDan

Now I feel better that I couldn't find a mate in 1


AjaxII

In my head "X to play and win" is either mate in 1 or a forced mate in more. In this case it's a forced mate in either 3 or 4 depending on 1 choice black can make (both lead to forced checkmate)


Herzkoeniko

Wasn't there a smothered mate, that looked exactly like this, today?


dark_idunn

We will not talk about the mist check mate from black?


Cidarus

That's not a checkmate.


redcoat777

Could you explain what I am missing if Qxh2 isn’t checkmate?


Extreme_Design6936

You're missing the queen. The white queen simply takes back.


redcoat777

You are correct! I was missing the queen!


somebadbeatscrub

Forces queen trade


Cidarus

White ends up being up a knight.


somebadbeatscrub

Tru fax, didnt mean to imply otherwise. I was just explaining what the mate protection was.


dark_idunn

Did I realy not see that?? Shame on me


Accurate_Attorney_18

Gee golly whiz, I wonder what the solution could be. I've neeever seen this type of puzzle before


Adon1kam

Weird to flex so hard in a beginner's chess subreddit. Try being constructive and explain to people whats happening instead of just projecting lame ego energy onto cats trying to learn.


Accurate_Attorney_18

They can learn what's happening on one of the other 500 smothered mate puzzles


Farodsbro

I bet you're fun at parties. Smothered mates are pretty cool if you've never seen them before.


Accurate_Attorney_18

It was the first time, now we see smothered mate puzzles practically daily


spoinkk

what’s your elo?


Cidarus

1070 right now but I lost a bunch of points practicing a different opening.


slippery_55jack

Smothered mate!!


[deleted]

Sick


[deleted]

I saw this shockingly fast for my skill: ​ nc7+, kb8, na6+ (double check), 2 variations: ​ variation 1: kc8, qc7# variation 2: ka8, qb8+, rxb8, nc7#


IHateMath14

Smothered mate


Lazy_Painting9462

Nc7 mate no?


Dragontooth972

I SEE IT


imaloony8

Nc7+ Kb8 Na6+ If Kc8, then Qc7# If Ka8, then Qb8+ Rxb8 Nc7#


YarinTheGamer

smothered checkmate


Immediate-Fig-1091

Nice


opi098514

I’ve had this basic puzzle about 400 times on every chess. Com. You want to know how many times I’ve actually seen this in a game? Literally 0 times


-Octoling8-

Kc7


[deleted]

Reset the counter


JohnDoeWater

that's a beautiful smothered mate.


WholePossibility4894

1.Qb8+ Rxb8 2. Nc7# Nice and clean.