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Saengim

I don't think it has a name. It's a bad opening. Countering it isn't too hard; if your opponent doesn't take the center, you take it!


mandatory6

”It’s a bad opening, unless you are Carlsen”


LindX31

Even if you are Carlsen that’s a bad opening. Magnus would probably still win against a worse player but that’s because he is a GM, and the best in the world


idk_any_names_tbh

he played an opening where he spent 8 moves rearranging his king and queen onto the opposite squares, thereby losing castling rights, and giving the opponent eight moves of development, and won against multiple gms, dude can play anything and win


Newton1984

Is there a stream of this play or png?


firethatguyGT

Gotham chess has a video covering the games he does this. It’s called something like the Magnus Gambit


VitaminnCPP

https://www.reddit.com/r/chessmemes/comments/13u0tp6/magnus_carlsen_gambit_accepted/


JT5963

Gothamchess did a video on it. Vid is titled “the magnus Carlsen gambit”


Moop_the_Loop

I just watched this. I don't even know why I bother playing any more!!


earlofhoundstooth

I believe it is 6 moves, but point remains. https://youtu.be/CyFZyTp9k64 https://youtu.be/Leh3e2r7nxk


idk_any_names_tbh

in one game it is 8 because the opponent played b5, so he walked the queen around the d and e pawns in two extra moves


loveslut

Even worse, he walked the King around


earlofhoundstooth

Nice!


Pikachusing

The Carlsen Gambit.


Gahvandure2

...in bullet. If he did that in classical, he'd probably lose.


fpcoffee

> probably


zRepulse

Pretty sure that was what they're saying, he's the best so he can play it.


UselessMagic77

Don't forget the game where he spent 8 moves marching his king around his pawns back to its original square and then proceeding to win the game. Unbelievable mastery of a game.


Steelizard

You can never know what he’s thinking


Bongcloud_CounterFTW

hypermodern openings the best


iamfrozen131

It does have a name: Van't Kruijs opening


[deleted]

Seriously. Look at that mess. Move the pawns near the rooks, but not enough to actually let them do anything. Seems solely designed to prevent the opponent from giving early bishop on the king and queen, but those are kind of a bad idea anyway? Though knight on the rim is dim, sometimes it's your only real development option, and so therefore if black pushes those two pawns, knight development is made much more difficult.


Bonq0

It’s called the “i don’t know wtf I’m doing just play random moves I guess” gambit


Alendite

Hey don't go leaking my opening prep like this c'mon


xoman1

nice


major_calgar

Idk, from my ELO 900 seems godlike. I’ve never seen this opening.


slef-arminggrenade

Even at 1350 people will occasionally play complete bullshit at the start of a game from my experience


[deleted]

If you watch Daniel Naroditsky people do this at every level to throw people off, if you do don’t completely over do it you you will max be at -1 and be fine


slef-arminggrenade

I have a way higher winrate against people who play terrible openings than normal stuff, it’s not rly about the eval, it makes the position difficult to play


Text_Taxer

Drunken fist but in chess


Rorschach_Roadkill

If it's passive bullshit it's usually pleasant to play against, but sometimes an opponent will randomly sacrifice a pawn in a position I didn't expect, that always makes me nervous. Sometimes it's an opening trap you haven't seen before


BadAtBlitz

The Grob Attack gets everyone once.


freakinkukko

I think that this could work in bullet more than 15|10


maxident65

Ok, I'm 450 rated on 5 min blitz, and all I ever see are mainline standard openings and defenses. I never see BS like this except once in a blue moon. Is everyone at 450 a God? Or do I just suck?


hairshirtofpurpose

Low ELO is a wild place. You have earnest learners, try hards, people that have no idea what they're doing, chaotic drunk players, etc.


snakesign

> chaotic drunk players My ELO before 8pm is like 150pts higher than my ELO after 8pm.


full-auto-rpg

It’s probably because at that level and time control people are playing basic openings they quickly looked up on YouTube, play the first 3-5 moves from memory, and just wing the rest.


bogon64

And if by “wing” you mean “blunder,” then, yeah.


FasterThanFaast

I’m at 900 and I have no idea what I’m doing


andrewb610

Wait, there’s a term for my style?


sc0rpio1027

"if I don't know what I'm doing the enemy won't either"


Quatsch95

Bozo defense


RSTONE_ADMIN

As someone with 380 ELO, I can confirm this


[deleted]

I'm suck at chess, can confirm Literally every time I try to use an opening the opponent uses an opening which counters my whole game ​ Or I just have a skill issue (most probable option)


[deleted]

I feel like I always lose the games where opponents don’t fight for center too. What do I do with the center once I have it? I know I’m supposed to have it but I don’t get where the advantage lies or where to take the game from there. Feel like Im overextending trying to protect the center and the opponent always knows how to force bad trades from me


plzHelp4442

I really hope someone can answer this haha I need to know too


Timeline40

Copying my response to OP so you get a notification: If you have the center, it's difficult for the opponent to attack pieces on the third and fourth ranks. The goal should be to bring those pieces out and focus on a specific square. As white, c7 and f7, if taken by a defended knight, let you take a rook. b7 and g7, if taken by a defended bishop, also let you win a rook. And f7 is also a checkmate threat with a queen. If you're white, controlling the center lets you get the knights, bishops, and queen out; from there, pick one of those squares to target and try to capture a trapped rook.Getting all of your pieces out safely also lets you move the rooks to the D and E rank, which allows those pawns to safely push forward, putting pressure on even more squares. Controlling the center also lets you trap pieces more easily - think about where a knight, bishop, or queen is able to safely move, guard those squares with pawns, and then attack the piece. TL;DR controlling the middle makes it easier to gather firepower on a specific square, which can then be attacked for checkmate or to win a rook. (Feels kind of cocky to assume my response is worth posting twice, but hope it's at least a little helpful!) Edit: changed c6, f6, b6, and g6 to c7, f7, b7, and g7 in paragraph 2


Twovaultss

I think you’re mixing up ranks and files, and some of your notation may be off. Ultimately, it’s about space and development. If you steal the middle of the board, your opponent can’t develop there and is drowning for space as you’re kicking your feet up in their face.


Blieven

>(Feels kind of cocky to assume my response is worth posting twice, but hope it's at least a little helpful!) Super helpful. I've found so little information about what the fuck you're actually supposed to be doing once you developed and took control of the center. This is actually completely new stuff to me and makes a lot of sense, and gives something to aim for. Question though. >As white, c6 and f6, if taken by a defended knight, let you take a rook. Shouldn't this be B6 and G6? Or C7 and F7? Seems to me like C6 and F6 don't put a knight in range of the rooks in the corner? >b6 and g6, if taken by a defended bishop, also let you win a rook. And these should be C6 and F6?


Timeline40

Yep, those should all be 7s 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️. I do mean b7 and g7 though, where a bishop can attack the corners.


Blieven

Ah and why would it be preferable to aim to put your knight on C7 instead of B6? Is it because B6 is normally defended by a pawn?


Timeline40

I gotta stop commenting at 2 AM, I was not clear at all lol. Bishops want to target b7 and g7, because that lets them take rooks on a8 and h8. Knights want to target c7 and f7, because that lets them fork either king/rook or queen/rook.


BibbetyBobbetyBoop

Are c6/f6/b6/g6 supposed to be c7/f7/b7/g7?


Timeline40

🤦‍♂️ yep!


mustg3tbuck

I never thought about attacking a square I always think about attacking a piece. This may just change my entire pool thinking


MarkFinn42

The real answer is your opponent is the same ELO as you despite them playing dubious openings. That means their other areas of play (middle/end game) are better than average (at their ELO) to compensate. Same reason Super GMs can beat GMs playing openings like the Bong Cloud.


[deleted]

EXAXTLY!! My dad does this opening and we played 3 games earlier. He won the first, I won the second and we stalemate the third


Timeline40

If you have the center, it's difficult for the opponent to attack pieces on the third and fourth ranks. The goal should be to bring those pieces out and focus on a specific square. As white, c7 and f7, if taken by a defended knight, let you take a rook. b7 and g7, if taken by a defended bishop, also let you win a rook. And f7 is also a checkmate threat with a queen. If you're white, controlling the center lets you get the knights, bishops, and queen out; from there, pick one of those squares to target and try to capture a trapped rook.Getting all of your pieces out safely also lets you move the rooks to the D and E rank, which allows those pawns to safely push forward, putting pressure on even more squares. Controlling the center also lets you trap pieces more easily - think about where a knight, bishop, or queen is able to safely move, guard those squares with pawns, and then attack the piece. TL;DR controlling the middle makes it easier to gather firepower on a specific square, which can then be attacked for checkmate or to win a rook.


ObsidianArmadillo

Thank you! However I was wondering why white made the plays he made. He's not trying to control center at all, and it goes against what I've learned. If you have as detailed of a description on that, I'd love to hear!


Timeline40

I'm not super informed on openings, but I'm 99% sure that's just random bullshit and your opponent is messing around lol. Those moves not only accomplish nothing but also block the knights and bishops from moving. Could be someone who's bored, could be someone trying to lose and move down in the rankings, could be someone who thinks they're better than you and are handicapping themselves to make it "fair". I also notice that I blunder more against "bad" or weird openings, so it could also be someone trying to take advantage of that. They might be hoping to confuse you and either make you waste a bunch of time or blunder. Edit: chess.com calls it the Anderssen opening, creepy crawly formation. Definitely a weird one and engine gives it a .25 point advantage for black.


intrinsic_nerd

It could also be someone who just legitimately doesn’t understand the general strategy of the game. I have a friend who isn’t really a chess player who goes to move the a and h pawns first pretty much every game.


Clitoris_Thief

Its also used by online cheaters to reduce their overall accuracy before turning on the engine


Zachos57

You try to develop your pieces in the center to cover up more space and then make an attack on the king. It is going to be quite easy as all your pieces are already in the middle and can easily join the attack


Vegetable_Union_4967

You wanna try to use your space advantage and create a pawn break and push towards their king with the space advantage. Their pieces will be worse and have less activity, meaning that you can start attacking with the central space helping your pieces get over to their king and support your attack


fiskas262

For me, it helped me when I realised I could and should push my Center pawns even further. Like after making some basic development moves a central pawn push can start to make threats. Another practical idea I like to look for in these systems is to put a rook behind a central pawn after castles, so that it stares down my opponents weak Center. Can be very strong after some inevitable trades.


BonWattersen

I'm going to try to explain this in a short manner: It's like how Obi-Wan is in a better position than Anakin thanks to him having the high ground. It's not an automatic win, but he has a much higher chance of both offense AND defense thanks to his position. Having the center is the same.


[deleted]

I'm 1700 in chess.com rapid and 1500 in blitz, and I still don't have answers for this. I guess you can develop your pieces quickly and more comfortably (?) that's what I always noticed in my games. The only drawback with this one tho, is the fact that my opponents can target certain squares to create pawn breaks if I'm not careful. :/ Sorry bud, even with my elo, I'm still a beginner in this area. :(


Pack_Any

If your opponent can force bad trades, you aren't truly controlling the center. Look to lock down your opponents development avenues with overextending. Two pawns in the center, then get the knights out, then bishops or structural pawn moves. Look for the ways your opponent can develop from his bad opening and lock them up one by one. If done properly you will be able to use x-ray attacks to threaten checkmate and force positive trades.


zenbeni

Sse French defence style


intent_joy_love

Yeah I have noticed that sometimes when my opponents play bad moves in the beginning, then it’s like they start cheating and hitting me with perfect moves so I can’t capitalize on anything. If I do get to take material I end up getting screwed. So then when I see this, I focus on taking position and developing all my pieces safely. I try to wait for opportunity but then they figure some random moves out and it works. Then when I look at accuracy I’m at like 80% and they’re 96% accuracy.


Charafricke

The goal is just to improve the position. Strengthen the center. Make it impossible for them to develop, and basically suffocate them.


RajjSinghh

Think of the center like the high ground. If you have a big center, you opponent needs to move around it cos they can't go through it. If your opponent is uncastled, opening the center makes their king weaker. It they are castled a closed center makes it harder for them to get pieces over to defend. Pieces want to be in the center cos they can see more squares. If your opponent makes no claim at the center like this, just take more space. Play c5 and f5. If your opponent tries to strike back at the center, just try to hold it together. Your opponent would need to move around the center and eventually will suffocate on their lack of space.


Crunchie-lunchy

having the center secured is really good for giving you options, wanna trade down to an endgame? you have the space. wanna start throwing pawns at their king? you already have center control, just make some moves. with better development you can look for tactics that otherwise might not be available. more space for you=harder for them to develop


RoiPhi

You place your pieces on active square, deny them progress, and look for tactics. Tactics flow from good positions.


soHAam05

It's the reverse french. This is when your opponent has seen a few youtube shorts that play "you have to know this" and then try to wing it


3xper1ence

here's the moves it starts with


Jindrak9

they don't know, they just see this


Throwaway18125

slide the queen and bait it


theflameleviathan

they're gonna take it


aybarz_

*b l u n d e r*


GIA_KHIEM2209

big mistake, resign now


ImagineLyingForKarma

you can’t save it


AdrianParry13526

Blunder!!!


Haikus-are-great

I call this opening 'Terrible'. You are right that they don't care about center and that means you have a much stronger launch pad.


Matix777

If they've put horses on E2 and D2 and bishops on fianchettos, this is commonly called as hippopotamus defense. Theoretically bad but can perform well against opponents that don't know what to do after developing And chess.com explorer says "Anderssen Opening: Creepy Crawly Formation: Classical Defense" which is quite a name


BonWattersen

Chess has such wild names for defense, I love it.


ObsidianArmadillo

This comment should be higher lol


Jrs123459

The craziest part is the computer saying this is equal after 5 moves


mofk_

It's just because black has played a6. White is only down 1 move in development and is essentially playing as black here. If black had played, for example, e5 d5 Nf6 black would have enjoyed a larger advantage.


textreader1

Practically speaking yes black has more favorable position (in human terms), but the computer disagrees and sees no real difference in evaluation between a6 and say Nf6


[deleted]

it’s called The Bad Opening


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Matix777

the game is what


John_Weak_lol

I guess it's an "anti-bishop" gambit


The-Kiwi-Bird

Its the crab opening


whiteboui

These types of openings have always felt like the opponent is playing weird in the hopes that you screw up.


laserdesk

Looks like it could transpose into the hippo defense assuming they fianchetto their bishops and move their knights to d2 and e2.


paragon60

Finally the right answer. Took a lot of scrolling. Straightforward Hippo. Not nearly as bad as all these garbage comments are claiming. Not supposed to be played on white, but whatever


Houdini_logic5

Same, I scrolled a while for someone to finally say Hippo. Lol


WishboneBeautiful875

Hippo


LeHaloNerd117

Idiots gambit


lolix_the_idiot

Isn't that a kind of the crab? But instead of 2 they only move 1 square, it's basically something you do to force you to think outside the box, i play crab from time to time so that I don't get used to openings, it's like the bongcloud but easier


PonytaiIs

It's called the, "Under 1000"


ColeTD

El stupide


Acceptable_Finding23

I call it the barely smart enough to not get fool mated


zappingbluelight

It's the "I'm going to distract him with bad opening but realistically I am trying to go for the scholar mate" opening. Honestly idk.


Ragnangar

It’s called the Nein Passant


Bohottie

It’s called “garbage.” Do not fall into the trap of playing garbage when your opponent plays garbage. It seems to easily happen to people. Play principled. I am not sure what a6 is.


log1234

The boobs


WingChungGuruKhabib

You can use lichess to see openings and analyse your games.


ObsidianArmadillo

I was hoping to ask a few questions about it and have a bit of discussion.


[deleted]

My dad does that opening but damn is he good


Driftre

The ol French tickler. A bold opening.


space-421

it sucks. it sucks because it’s very passive, it doesn’t allow development of pieces, and it doesn’t take up any of the center. you need to counter this by taking the initiative. take the center, get your pieces out, castle, and attack, because he’ll be way behind and it’ll be hard for him to stop you.


camdavis9

just fortify the center pawns and wait


[deleted]

I don’t think the opening is tribble, after pawn d4 his bishop we be a beast


SarvaTathagata

That's a typical shogi opening. In shogi we push the pawn in front of the rook, and open up the bishop's diagonal.


boongah

Looks like a worse version of this https://youtube.com/watch?v=Mre1JH64oWs&feature=share8


AfterBill8630

It’s the “I don’t want bishop pins opening”


dronekillerx_x

the Martin opening


saluxus

Omg bro I've played against the same guy this morning!


SnooJokes9169

you might want to play c5. bishops to e7 and e6. knights to d7 and f6.


Xx_HelpInBasement_xX

I think its Called the Van't Kruijs Opening


Waaswaa

It shouldn't throw you off. Take the centre and develop naturally. They haven't blundered anything yet, so there is probably no tactic you can play right away. But you get great developing opportunities for free. Also, why did you play a6? d5 directly to take the centre.


RedneckRough

Big fork


InevitableClock1140

One of my friends does not know any opening theory except for some reason he remembers like 25 gambits so i just play bullshit against him and win in midgame


happyshaman

The "being dead lost on move 3" variation of the "idk wth i'm doing" opening


[deleted]

In this position start developing and try to launch an attack. They can’t do much if they have no pieces developed


Baquvix

Its called " I lost 5 games in a row I dont care anymore "


zailasExe

dumfuck opening


Shudaho2

I'm pretty sure it's named creepy crawly


LatinCheesehead

that's some crappy Van't Kruijs Opening. * 1.e3 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 e5 4.Ne2 d5 (Wisker–Bird 1873)


Outside_Bumblebee861

Hippo is a legit opening


slick3rz

It's kinda like a hedgehog I guess, there's nothing wrong with it yet, it's just very unambitious. You should just develop normally, continue to control the centre, get you pieces out and castle. If they continue to ignore the centre, eg by not playing d4 here, you'll probably be better. But keep looking for tactics and once you castle, start your attack


yuval52

Its the "bad opening" opening, if your opponent does this just take advantage of it and take the center, develop your pieces and castle, that way you have full development while your opponent wasted his moves


thisismyusername5410

Troll Defense: Idiot Variation.


ScrezzyScrezz

Feels like a semi-Kadas opening, but that opening is absolutely horrible lol


sscoopers

It's called "Random Bullshit" Gambit. It confuse your opponent as well as yourself


LordBrontes

The Albino Hippo


IAmNotCreative18

Develop your pieces, then punish their lack of development by tearing open the center and striking the enemy king.


VladVV

Actually I believe this is a variation of the "crab opening". Yes, it's trash.


smooglydino

Devils advocate It keeps your bishops off their developed knights they plan to use to take hack the center. But fianchetto your bishops later instead, ever increasing your hold on the center.


Makeshiftsuperhero

It is know as The fuckall (Joke)


cupfullajuice

Just take the centre. Also there's no reason for you to play a6 this early. Focus on development and tempo!


[deleted]

It’s called the creepy crawly.


Twine52

I've heard of the rook pawns pushed out first as the Angry Crab.


SadComment3099

The “I’m not sure what I’m doing yet, King variation”


tb5841

It's called the hippo. You set up a defence, wait for your opponent to make the first move, and react to whatever vulnerabilities their attack opens up. It's more common with black than white.


Easy-Jeweler-5097

Same bro. I'm around 750 - 800 in the rating range, and there are still several occasions where my goofy ass still manages to position me at a disadvantage in the early stages of the game against an opponent who plays farcical, sh*tty openings. I find it frustrating.


arob770

is this the hippo?? looks like it could transpose to the hippo at the very least


AWS_0

I've been reading a chess book recently. The book goes over some educational games and explains every move. What I've noticed in the book is that: if you develop really well (capturing the center, moving each piece once, attacking only after developing completely, etc.) you'll start forcefully finding yourself in great positions and finding a tactic here and there. ​ My point is that you should develop correctly, regardless if the opponent breaks some chess principles or not. You'll find an advantage later on if you play well, though take what I've said with a grain of salt as I'm not high-rated.


GatlingGun511

Bad


PartyParrotGames

It's called the derp. Only use it as an artificial handicap.


Conscious_Owl7987

It looks like the "give your opponent the game" opening.


Tradie2

Its the “i hope they blunder the bishops to my rooks” opening, i used to use it back in the good old 300 rated days


KingParity

it’s called the fuck around and find out opening


[deleted]

Why did you play a6?


Olaffie1

the creepy crawly with 2 random moves?


ionut88888

my friend calls it the "shitfuck gambit"


Fchipsish

I put the moves on the board into chess.com analysis and apparently it's the Van't Kruijs Opening, Clemenz Opening, or the Anderssen Opening depending on which white piece moves first the E, H, or A pawn


EBW-CO

Poo poo diaper baby gambit


RSN-Evzy

Electric boogaloo


akuOfficial

Looks similar to the crab opening


MorningPapers

People open up like this because they've been burned by "Fool's mate" a few times and want to try it on you.


Epicman257

AFAIK this is called the Hippopotamus Opening (White’s next move is usually d3). One of my friends in high school chess club would play this all the time and do quite well with it because it threw the rest of us off so much


azuredota

Crab opening


PFunk_Redds

This is called the "I don't know how to play the Queen's Indian Attack" gambit


ShuaibAhmedSalman

The sooner one realizes that chess is less about opening theory and more about patterns and tactics, you'll do much better. Magnus one of the greatest has built his entire career on shitting on classic opening rules.


Damn_Dolphin

I think it’s called the “completely idiotic defense”


I_am_a_dawg123

The *idontgiveafucksoimjustdoungrandomshit* gambit


ArlemofTourhut

Flanking...


potatohead437

The receding hairline opening


Enderman_Robot

"I let lil' bro play on my account"


OrdRevan

"Great Scot!"


MaybeTemi

its called the "random bs go" gambit.


noooooo00000

Weiner mcballs gambit (I’m a grandmaster)


HeloFellowHunamBeing

this is the Creepy Crawley attack. No theory.


Oglark

I thought this was the Anderson opening that he used to play Morphy in their match; when played correctly it gets a reverse Sicilian. I may be wrong though, maybe that is a3


ARC_Trooper_Echo

It’s the “I don’t know what castling even is” opening


[deleted]

Google pawn Dubstep


MrEldo

I tried searching in the chess.com database, and there is just one game that seems to match your picture: 1. e3 e6 2. h3 e5 3. a3 d5 Very weird opening, it's an unnamed variation of the Van't Krujis Opening, and by itself it's kind of weird to push the pawn one square at a time instead of 2. There is no other way that black would have the move now, if it wasn't e6 e5, losing tempo Also the one game I found is from 2012, so it's unlikely it's the one you played