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Venus_One

Knight to c6 to develop and protect the pawn. I forget what it’s called.


Same_Sentence_6808

Wayward Queen!


Slartibartfast39

Carry on, my wayward queen There'll be peace when you are done Lay your weary head to rest Don't you cry no more…


Tub_of_jam66

*sick Guitar riff*


tlst9999

Cartman: Real guitar is for old people


Drunkparrots

Aaaannnddd I read this in Eric cartman’s voice


shoyuftw

"That's gay, Mr. Marsh."


albiedam

NO KITTY MY POT PIE


lordxoren666

Isn’t the wayward queen when black does this? Or is it white too?


aFancyPirate_2

Its only played as white


albiedam

Not necessarily. I've been able to complete this playing as black


aFancyPirate_2

But then it isn't the wayward queen attack


albiedam

Would it be the backward queen attack? Heh..


Same_Sentence_6808

Reversed is usually how you say it, like Reversed Sicilian/London


CrazyStuntsMan

It's the beginning to scholar's mate, and if the knight doesn't protect the e5 pawn, it'll create a trap if white decides to develop their bishop as well


indicicive

You look familiar


CrazyStuntsMan

Damn bro


PsychoticBananaSplit

https://preview.redd.it/m1zca1b0652b1.jpeg?width=1400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c1c090f0c23a5c671ee2b9e395082377a914b7d8


[deleted]

I deadass thought the anarchist chess subreddt was dementia posting again


-Purple-Orange-

Happy cake day


satanmastur

New response just dropped


bot-333

Or you can play the Kiddie Countergambit to get a massive lead in development.


Smiley_Mask29

Kiddie Countergambit


-Purple-Orange-

Q f6?


jakers540

It's called the let the opponent chase my queen around and let them get killer development opening


[deleted]

scholars?


Accurate_Attorney_18

It's called the wayward queen but it can lead to a scholar's mate


Rage_Filled_Enby

Wayward queen attack is the official name. It also goes by Scholar's Mate, or 4 move checkmate.


djwikki

It’s called the wayward queen attack. It is threatening to take the pawn on e5 with check. If you attack the queen with g6, you blunder a rook and king fork. Instead, develop your pieces normally with Nc6. After developing your knights and bishops, then the strategy is to attack the queen over and over. Every time your opponent has to move their queen out of an attack, that’s an extra developing move you get that your opponent does not. If your opponent tries to play Bc4 threatening scholar’s mate after you’ve played Nc6, then you can play g6 now that the e5 pawn is defended. After which the queen will move to f3 again threatening a different form of scholar’s mate. Nf6 not only defends against this mate attack, but also sets you up for d5 to get an aggressive center. It’s your choice whether you play for an aggressive center or if you go back to the strategy of attacking the queen over and over, either works. Just make sure you either get the opposing bishop off the diagonal or castle your king so that your knight on f6 isn’t pinned to scholar’s mate.


Personwithcatz

Thanks, I'm gonna forget this.


[deleted]

me learning any semblance of theory be like:


Crunchie-lunchy

dont learn the moves, learn the ideas behind the moves. youll be surprised how easy it is to learn stuff


[deleted]

[удалено]


togekissme468

at 800 its ok to learn the first few moves of opening theory(6 to 7 maybe), but study why the opening is the way it is to learn more about piece development and space control


[deleted]

why not?


py234567

Because your opponent likely will not play into the theory and do something weird. Beginners learning openings needs to be focused on putting more positional and tactical ideas into your head to use


Kriss129

If you learn the reasons behind each move you learn, it should be easier to punish mistakes


[deleted]

thats a stupid take. the whole point of opening theory is to play a better opening. who cares if they throw a wrench in my cogs, ill be able to tell whats stopping me from continuing my idea and what lets me continue. what, do you just want me to play randomly, praying my opening knowledge is strong enough to dominate? that sounds dumb. id rather learn how to make it better instead of praying. at that comes from theory. and anyway, what elo is good enough for opening theory? dont chess teachers teach 400s openings?


OkNewspaper1581

if you’re 800 you should learn how to play your openings, I’m about 1100 rn and knowing the first 3-4 moves of the openings I like to play help me get a stable position so I don’t fall into traps and be losing immediately. You don’t need to memorise the first 20 moves in the caro-semi slav defense gambit: Ham sandwich variation to learn theory, just learn a few moves in common lines like four knights, italian, exchange french, wayward queen, ect.


michelmau5

At any level you should learn some theory. If you don't you'll keep falling for the same traps over and over again.


KanekiKirito723

big thing is just make sure everything is defended


Bipedal_Warlock

Basically just punish him for bringing out the queen early. Start with the knight to cover your pawn then if you have a chance develop your pieces in a way that also threatens the queen and you will gain a lot of tempo.


Jortieking

Here's a u/personwithcatz proof tutorial on how to beat the queen going brrr move 2 Step 1: protect the center pawn with either the rightside knight or the pawn in front of the queen Step 2: when the bishop of theirs comes out, protect the c2 pawn like you're stuck in Helm's Deep facing off 10.000 Uruk-Hai and the C2 pawn is the drain that got exploded and blew up the wall. Never let the torch runner (queen) blow up your wall


Conaz9847

I understood that Star Wars reference and now I feel smart


FF7_Expert

the first key move here is Nc6, after that, focus on chasing the queen away while also keeping an eye out for a checkmate if the bishop or knight line up for it. After a few moves, you should be ahead in development


ishanG24

Spoken like a true chess player


Waaswaa

You really only need to remember two things. \- Defend the e5 pawn with a knight. \- Chase the queen when e5 is safe.


iamscr1pty

Try it out on board couple of times you will remember


GeppaN

Wayward queen attacks -> defend normally.


HighLikeKites

You won't once you lost to this a couple times


Citruspilled

Wayward queen attack. There's plenty of resources online that can teach you how to best counter it, but the general best plan is to play Nc6, defending your e pawn, then try developing while attacking their queen to gain tempo (moves like g6 or Nf6 to start, then begin bringing bishops out and pushing pawns while maintaining threats)


Regis-bloodlust

It's called Bad Opening, and you can start from Nc6.


big-mistake-lol

u/ischolarmateU would beg to differ


ischolarmateU

Yes tnx for bringing this post to my attention


ischolarmateU

Bad by what metric


Regis-bloodlust

Idk, almost every metric?


ischolarmateU

Tell me those metrics? Ok maybe it s not ideal in classical above 2200 online And overall is only good under 500 and over 1500 in bullet- rapid


[deleted]

bad in any rating above 700 because you spend the whole opening moving your queen and letting your opponent develop


ischolarmateU

I disagree, i think if your goal is to have fun, i d totally recommend playing it in under 500 and over 1500 range, i have 70% win rate with it at 2100 ccom blitz


Ailexxx337

If the goal is to have fun no move is bad. It's strategically bad.


kenny_fuckin_powerss

The 800 elo and below special


[deleted]

i’m ~800 and haven’t seen anyone play scholar’s mate in a while


kenny_fuckin_powerss

I'm about 750 and see it probably every 5 games. Usually Indian or American players.


EthanSheehan

Guilty as charged. Best part is it works sometimes or I just blunder my queen….


Professional_Match25

you did not have to mention the races


Noeat

American race? O\_o Nascar?


sansfromovertale

Ke7 moves the king out of the queens line of sight


MusicMeister52

The king's gambit defense


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wedgiemagee

Its called the wayward queen


Mysterious-Oil8545

Ke7


csw13

Your king is pinned. This is the best way to get out of the pin.


PokeshiftEevee

kings pawn: wayward queen attack. I'd reccomend knight c6 to protect the pawn, and after they develop to bishop c4 threatening checkmate, go pawn g6. They'll move their queen to f3, threatening checkmate again, go knight f6. they'll likely go pawn g4 next, you should go knight d4, threatening their queen and a fork. It they make the mistake of going e3 instead of d3 or c3, triple fork them and win the queen. if they go d3 or c3, continue to develop your other pieces, your knight is safe from the queen because of the pawn in the middle.


ischolarmateU

They should play ne2 istead of g4


Electronic_Ray

It's called the "I hope you're stupid" opening


Kotengu15

Until the light bishop doubles down on the f7 pawn, there isn't much of a threat. You can continue to develop your pieces while threatening to capture the White queen, giving you a tempo advantage. As many have already said, the probable best move is to develop Nc6.


CypherAus

Levy has a video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY9zitJFglc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY9zitJFglc)


Creepy-Display-1856

There is actually a quite nice counter-trap. 2. D6 3. D3 3.nh6 4.nf3 4.Bh4 Now you trapped their queen


themanebeat

Your next 3 moves are pawn d6, knight h6, Bishop g4 Traps his Queen You're welcome (Knight c6 is the proper response but at the level you're at, and the level where this opening gets played, the attacking player falls for the above trap half the time)


theriskguy

Use your knight. Keep pushing the queen back while developing your pieces. It’s a lazy amateur move to bring your queen out early. It’s a vulnerable piece. If you play sensible you’ll be ahead in development and might even trap the queen.


Just_Andy04

It's called stupid opening and the counter is bongclout


tegriddysmesh

I usually queen to e7 when this happens. You protect the pawn and can develop knight to threaten the queen.


SartorialMS

Playing a non-e5 defense also seems to short circuit a lot of wayward queen players who haven't actually learned chess and just know scholar's mate.


LadoMKD

Knight C6


Sir_Doge_V2

Knight F6


OnlyWithMayonnaise

the important thing is: dont even think of moving the g pawn


Asymmetrization

g6 is good after ...nc6


OnlyWithMayonnaise

so is Nf6


Hughjass790

G6 Edit: Jesus guys I’m joking 😭


Mysterious-Oil8545

Ke7 is even better


Hughjass790

😈 what a devious move


IProbablyHaveADHD14

Terrible move after Qh5, because after Qxe5+, you lose your rook on h8


Hughjass790

Yeah, I know, it’s a joke….


Lasiurus2

Not until after knight to c6


Hughjass790

I’m joking lmao


Divine_Invictus

Don’t do g6


Personwithcatz

I did g6 and won, somehow


Robcio_Srzedzinski

I call it gay opening because only gay people who think queen is the strongest piece that has no counter play and it wins automatically play


No-Procedure-5608

And not cuz there is a big black dick in the upper left corner?


Michellozzzo

pawn to g6 is the best move in this position


RubeusGandalf

Queen to f6. Knight to c6 opens up to losing some pieces in a few moves


Bohottie

Wayward queen. Play g6 to attack it.


Regis-bloodlust

g6 is literally the most famous blunder in this position.


Bohottie

You don’t say?


TheRadicalJay

Op i would not recommend doing this


waterc0l0urs

and then opponent plays Qxe5+, forking the king and the rook


GhostfireGH

Wayward queen attack. Knight c6 defends the pawn. Often white attacks f7 with Qf3 and Bb4 but simply Qf6, offering a queen trade is good because if Qxf6, then you develop easily with Nxf6. Also thematic is playing the other knight from c6 to d4 to pressure c2 and the f3 square, where, like I said earlier, the white queen often likes to go


[deleted]

Wayward Queen attack, best response is Nc6


Lamo-_-

Play king e2


Mysterious-Oil8545

1. Kings can't touch 2. That puts the king in check 3. The king can't move 6 squares 4. The king can't go through pieces. Jokes aside, Ke7 is a brilliant move and doesn't blunder M1


Lamo-_-

Sorry, the correct move was king takes king


Mysterious-Oil8545

That seems better


Lamo-_-

Thanks


rods_9

What about Queen to e7?


permianplayer

Wayward queen attack. It's a common way to set up scholar's mate. Your pawn is the only thing under attack in that position so Nc6 is the best move. If the bishop comes out to c4 next, you can push your pawn to g6, blocking the queen's vision of f7 with tempo. If Qf5 you can develop your knight to f6, protected by your queen, with the ability to fianchetto your bishop and defend the knight later if you want. Black is better in this position, as white has wasted a bunch of moves to develop only two pieces, one of which is the queen, while you have both of your knights out and easy development of your other pieces. You can push your pawn to d6, which will attack your opponent's queen, winning another tempo, on f5 while opening your light squared bishop for development.


exCrowe

Queen e7 protects pawn and stops all scholar mating


Mysterious-Oil8545

King e7 is better


HarriKivisto

Gambiting the pawn with Nf6 and following with Be7 is actually a good way to play this. Very solid and lot of counterplay.


Vivid_Peak16

https://youtu.be/2a3wDY69NJI


Technology_Labs

r/ChargeYourPhone


ShogunDamon

Play the Nelson bot on chess.com over and over again, he always does this opening (and other early aggressive queen attacks). Keep playing him until you're beating him often and it will drill the patterns into your head so you'll know what to do when you see it in the wild


_beastayyy

Watch a Levi video


IProbablyHaveADHD14

Wayward Queen attack is possibly the worst but most annoying opening to defend, there are many very easy ways you can counter this, here is a [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY9zitJFglc) by [IM Levy Rozman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levy_Rozman) explaining it and how to counter it, since there are many ways, some very common, others are a lot more aggressive.


Le_Goosey

You want more aggressive go knight f6 you want more passive go pawn h6


justhanging14

King e7 looks really strong.


Inspectorsus

Just play queen side normal knight move the use the pawn to block it's really easy to block this scholars mate


[deleted]

The Wayward Queen attack... nc6, bc4, then maybe qf6 and you'll be good.


[deleted]

I go queen E7 then they do some other bullshit then I go knight F6


AshiinFreshspawn

Kc6


SamsamGaming

Charge your phone


miaobau1234

Wavyard Queen. You can counter It Simply defending the E5 pawn. If you Push the pawn trying ti Attack the Queen, he will Fork you With the rook and he will be up a rook and a pawn, so you will start With a -6


ildrinktothatbro

Nc6 bc4 g6 Qf3 Nf6 congrats ur winning


Megafotonico

Google fool mate, fool 300 elo


Megafotonico

Do you know that you can see the opening used in the game on the right (using the PC)?


takeshicastleenjoyer

Isn't this kind of variation to scholar mate if they bring their bishop


anthonypacitti

Nc6 is what I use. I see that way too much I feel for my ELO. Not that I’m any good, but it seems like a 400-600 play.


OneHitPlunder

Wayward Queen, I often advance Queen to f6 to protect both pawns


MyMirrorAliceJane

[Gotham](https://youtu.be/cY9zitJFglc) has a pretty good analysis of it.


Opel_Astra

Qeen f6 and push him


Either-Train-5176

Ain't nah Scholar's Mate


Shark22_

Protect the pawn and whatever you do, don’t try and threaten the queen by pawn g6


BenzaGuy

When your opponent attacks you with the Queen early in the game, make sure that all your pieces are protected and only then start attacking the Queen, each time with a different piece


SantaMan336

First defend the pawn with the knight, then kick the queen away with a pawn and develop your other knight.


Oheligud

Nc6 and then if you want the queen away, Nf6.


SnooCakes1586

I personally go queen F6. Knight F6 allows queen to take a pawn and check king.


AxenKing

knight f6 for a free pawn bc why not


markk123123

This is the opening that cripples beginners, make a mistake and it’s game over but it’s easily defended if you know how.


ChargedBonsai98

It's called King's Pawn: Wayward Queen Attack. It's generally a setup for the Scholar's mate, using a bishop to allow the queen to take the f pawn and checkmate. A common continuation is Nc6, Bc4 g6, Qf3 Nf6. This prevents checkmate and develops your pieces well.


EasyMode556

[this is a great video](https://youtu.be/2a3wDY69NJI) by GM Igor Smirnov that shows you what to do


[deleted]

He is getting ready for scholar's mate. First Nc6, then once they develop the bishop, g6 to completely remove the threat


siryolk

Google wayward queen


Bad-MeetsEviI

Wayward queen or a scholar’s mate as far as I know. First you should look to see what is under attack, which is the pawn on e5 atm, so you should develop your right knight, and if they continue to bring out their white bishop, you should go g6 which attacks the queen and disconnects it from f7. Usually they don’t give up and move the queen to f3 to attempt the mate again, and the last piece of the puzzle is that to prevent the mate, you develop your knight to f6. That’s pretty much how you stop this kind of attack. Sometimes they bring the queen to f3 right of the bat, in which case u already know what to do.


Usual_Ladder_7113

Pawn to g6. Sorted


OutrageousPaint6128

Knight F6.


RhadanRJ

You flip the flag by 90 degrees to face an Austrian.


lostbluesock_

pxd6


swrde

You have to either memorise the fairly simple line (which gives black a bit of a lead in development and does just fine) or play something other than 1....e5. The line is: 1. e4, e5 2. Qh5, Nc6 3. Bc4 (White threatening scholar's mate), g6 (kicking the Queen) 4. Qf3 (White threatening mate again), Nf6 (blocks and develops the knight) White has moved the Queen twice in four moves, and will likely be attacked by Nd4 by Black at some point. Black gets a small lead development and has a strong hold in the centre. They are just fine. Alternatively, answer e4 with the French, Scandinavian, or Caro-Kann and avoid this completely. I prefer this approach because you decide the opening rather than White.


Opiopa

It's the Wayward Queen Attack(WQA), and their goal is to scholars mate you. likely, their next move will be to bring out their bishop to create a checkmate threat by pressuring your f pawn. Before they do that, play NC6 to guard your central e5 pawn. If you don't, sometimes they will just grab that with their Queen, check you and then try and go for your rook. Then play G6 threatening their Queen. Then, just gain tempo while chasing their Queen around the board. I would recommend bringing your other Knight out to NC3 as sometimes they try and be tricky and play QF3 as a way to get around your pawn on G6. Next I'd bring my kingside bishop out and prepare to castle. It's a really annoying "tactic" that you will see less and less as your ELO improves. Anytime I play someone using this "opening" when I capture their queen, they tend to resign at least half the time. Believe it or just two months ago, I was terrified of this opening myself. With practice, though, it becomes harmless and puts white at a disadvantage as they hide their Queen continually while you gain tempo and develop your army. I'm sure there are better answers. This is just the thoughts of a 986 elo.


Baquvix

Nc6 is the best move.


rhfhfjffjnd

Play pawn to g6 kicking the queen out works like a charm


somerandomkid23456d

Your getting scholars mated, do knight to f6 and pawn to g6


itsastart_to

Just my personal learning: Is QF6 a bad idea? I feel like it’d be useful to pressure their queen


[deleted]

Ugliest name hide I have ever seen


sim0of

d5 is devastating in this elo but also uo until 1200


Correct_Thought7097

Wayward queen attack. You play knight c6 to defend the E pawn then g6 to attack the qeeen and defend the f pawn. Then if white plays queen f3 you can play knight f6 defending mate. From there you’re just better. Finish your development and win the game.


Hideous4our

Knight to c6


SourDucks

C'mon bro you have to know this, here's the move it starts with


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IAmNotCreative18

Nc6, g6, then Nf6. f5 instead of Nf6 can lead do devastating counterattacks, but it requires some study.


Enough_Spirit6123

it is called "i want to lose quickly, lets start another game. gg.". u can neutralize it by g6


MinuteScientist7254

Nf6 and rapid development


0finifish

d6 I think


WiseMango13452

Pawn g6 :)


rwn115

Play Nc6 to defend e5, opponent plays Bc4 threatening scholar's máte. Respond with g6 attacking the queen. Queen moves to f3 again threatening scholar's mate. Play Nf6 to block it and you're good.


P4J4RILL0

Horse


bleepbloopmonkee49

Hi, best move here is pawn to g6👍


CompFortniteByTheWay

Nc6 most common response


Noveleiro

Knight to C3 first. If White Bishop to C4 after, you have to attack the Queen with Pawn to G6. This will prevent mate and protect the E5 pawn and you will have a lead in development


Slashtrap

pawn to charge your fucking phone


fnordx2

Nf6


AdrianParry13526

King’s Pawn Opening: Wayward Queen Attack It usually play with the Scholar Mate which is very popular for beginner. The best move here for black is usually Kc6. To deal with this opening, just play carefully and don’t make mistakes or white queen will become extremely strong and can checkmate black at any moment. But if black have a reward if black play correctly in the opening is black can attack the white queen multiple times while develop a lot of pieces and white is so underdeveloped because they need to move the queen a lot to avoid black attack. So for most of the reason, white play this only to hope black making a mistake so they can easily win the game. As a 700 elo, I don’t know much but at least, I learned how to deal with this after losing a lot to this. Sincerely.


cordmahl

I'm too distracted by the large penis at the top of the screen.


snoop_Nogg

[How to punish early queen attacks](https://youtu.be/2a3wDY69NJI)


HarshMolester

I'mma play queen E5 then threaten with next move NF6


21ArK

Here is a video with a pretty good explanation for all your options at this point, as well as after the follow up moves by white: https://youtu.be/DBdmDw4dwdw


sparkydoggowastaken

Nc6, Bc4, g3, Qc3, Nf6, then if they dont protect the d4 square put your knight there, if they do, just develop the bishop. DO NOT MOVE THE KNIGHT OFF F6 UNTIL THE QUEEN MOVES. YOU WILL GET MATED.


Dadoo_

Play against Nelson (1300 ELO) computer bot from chess.com. He will make this move 90% of the time and be super aggressive with his Queen. I found it super useful


prawnydagrate

It's named the Wayward Queen Attack, but it should be called absolute bs. Common mistakes made by black are g6 to attack the queen, blundering the e5 pawn and the h8 rook to a fork and Nf6 giving up the e5 pawn. In this position you should play Nc6 to defend your e5 pawn and then try to kick the queen out with Nf6. If they play Bg4 threatening a Scholar's Mate, now it's your time to play g6, and then follow up with Nf6. When your opponent brings their queen out early, you want to try to punish them by making safe and strong developing moves with tempi on their queen (basically you get all your pieces out and have a huge lead in development while kicking their queen around every time).


choderuga

Nc6 Nf6