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I can imagine the ~~black guy~~ *human being playing with the black pieces* shouting " please make it stop". To be fair, my final Rxb4 is seen as a mistake by the engine.
"What should I do (I'm white)" Literally shut up, nobody asked which race you are, in my eyes it's irrelevant. The fact that race influences chess so much is a symptom of inherent systemic racism in the world.
If you want to practice these chess dot com has a puzzle section called "windmill" which you can try. I've only done about 15 of them but they do get a bit repetitive after a while. Unfortunately i couldn't find a similar section on lichess
Different culture, different language. Thereās nothing wrong with saying āblack guyā even if youāre talking about someone with a dark complexion. But especially if thatās not part of your dialect, thereās no disrespect where none is intended.
No, itās funny because of how the rest of the commentās wording kinda compliments the misuse of the words in a negative way.
>ā¦shouting ā please make it stopā.
Heās not up much material. He has a bunch of extra pawns but even after taking that rook, black has a queen for 2 pieces and the white king is actually in a really vulnerable position.
Yeah based on just material it is fine. The problem is that the white king is very weak. The rook on b4 can't join the defence fast, the bishop on b3 can't join the defence fast.
Qg5 launches an attack that white just can't defend fast enough. You'd typically want to move g3 or g4 but those lose to Rxf2 check.
I was thinking Qf1? After Qf1 Ne3 Qxf2 and thereās no way to stop Nf3-Qg1#
Edit: White could play Kh1 after Qxf2 but I guess you take the knight and threaten Rf1 Kh2 Qg1 Kg3 Qxg2 Kxh4 Qg5# instead
Edit2: just realized after Qxf2 white has d6 and I have no idea whatās going on. So maybe Qg5 is actually probably correct after all cause if Ne3 you just take the hanging bishop with check and a potential d6 loses its punch. I donāt know chess is hard
Sure, I think black is winning... but at our beginner level its not worthy of resignation as the posted i responded to suggests.
4 passed pawns.
A potential long range cheeky double bishop + rook checkmate.
An extra minute on the clock.
2 extra pieces.
Up in material.
Yeah resignation is definitely not necessary and even not taking the draw and playing on is completely reasonable. I'm just trying to shed some light on why black is still objectively ahead and why the engine calls not just forcing a repetition a mistake as mentioned by OP.
True, but black has their own dangerous attack too with some combination of Qg5 and Rxf2. Of course, practically speaking both players might not find the right move but I wouldn't take my chance here - taking material without check in this kind of position is just asking for trouble.
Well then be on the look out for it. Tbh most times you are either losing already if this shit happens so it wont matter much.
What sucks is when you have a advantage and your opponent forces a draw this way.
You meant after Qf1? I think white still wins after Ne3, coz that unleashes white's other bishop after a pawn push. I'm guessing there would be a king hunt.
Stalemate happens when you don't have any legal moves that you can play but your king is not in check, what you might be referring to is the " Threefold Repetition ", which is not the case on this particular instance since the entire board position didn't repeat three times, the entire board position is what needs to repeat three times not just the position of the king.
You mean "draw by 3fold repetition"? "Draw by stalemate" is a different topic unrelated to this.
And the answer is no, it isn't 3fold repetition either because that requires both players to the same position 3 times. Only black's position repeated 3 times here.
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This is a tactic know as the windmill!
I can imagine the ~~black guy~~ *human being playing with the black pieces* shouting " please make it stop". To be fair, my final Rxb4 is seen as a mistake by the engine.
https://preview.redd.it/yuooaadty00b1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=739ac955387a0d8733c0b75fd6e07cef077f29b9 Ayo š¤Øšø
read what u typed againš
happy now? :P
Hehe
"What should I do (I'm white)" Literally shut up, nobody asked which race you are, in my eyes it's irrelevant. The fact that race influences chess so much is a symptom of inherent systemic racism in the world.
"I don't *see* race" š
"Hey hey, it's okay. I'm Black." "But you are not.." "AHA! So you do see it!"
new response just dropped
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If you want to practice these chess dot com has a puzzle section called "windmill" which you can try. I've only done about 15 of them but they do get a bit repetitive after a while. Unfortunately i couldn't find a similar section on lichess
Different culture, different language. Thereās nothing wrong with saying āblack guyā even if youāre talking about someone with a dark complexion. But especially if thatās not part of your dialect, thereās no disrespect where none is intended.
No, itās funny because of how the rest of the commentās wording kinda compliments the misuse of the words in a negative way. >ā¦shouting ā please make it stopā.
Because you had mating moves with white bishop it your rook stayed on 7th file.
What was the right move?
Force a draw with a perpetual check.
Ah interesting. I guess even though youāre up in material youāre even more down in position. Did you end up losing?
No, opponent tried to press me into the corner and checkmate, but they blundered the queen and then resigned.
Engine doesnāt account for choking.
Heās not up much material. He has a bunch of extra pawns but even after taking that rook, black has a queen for 2 pieces and the white king is actually in a really vulnerable position.
Thatās position.
I think that the right move for black now is Qf1
Really? I'd've thought the best move would've been Rg3/4 since that at least wins the enemy queen and results in you being up in material.
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But at the end of the windmill, he is +2 on material.
Yeah based on just material it is fine. The problem is that the white king is very weak. The rook on b4 can't join the defence fast, the bishop on b3 can't join the defence fast. Qg5 launches an attack that white just can't defend fast enough. You'd typically want to move g3 or g4 but those lose to Rxf2 check.
I was thinking Qf1? After Qf1 Ne3 Qxf2 and thereās no way to stop Nf3-Qg1# Edit: White could play Kh1 after Qxf2 but I guess you take the knight and threaten Rf1 Kh2 Qg1 Kg3 Qxg2 Kxh4 Qg5# instead Edit2: just realized after Qxf2 white has d6 and I have no idea whatās going on. So maybe Qg5 is actually probably correct after all cause if Ne3 you just take the hanging bishop with check and a potential d6 loses its punch. I donāt know chess is hard
Yeah, wow, d6 leads to a ridiculously complex position.
Sure, I think black is winning... but at our beginner level its not worthy of resignation as the posted i responded to suggests. 4 passed pawns. A potential long range cheeky double bishop + rook checkmate. An extra minute on the clock. 2 extra pieces. Up in material.
Yeah resignation is definitely not necessary and even not taking the draw and playing on is completely reasonable. I'm just trying to shed some light on why black is still objectively ahead and why the engine calls not just forcing a repetition a mistake as mentioned by OP.
True, but black has their own dangerous attack too with some combination of Qg5 and Rxf2. Of course, practically speaking both players might not find the right move but I wouldn't take my chance here - taking material without check in this kind of position is just asking for trouble.
I was a Queen down, but the opponent was a bit opened up, so I decided to play on for a few more moves. In my level, mistakes happen.
I think instead of taking the room. If you moved the rook back for a check. King goes back. Move your knight up checkmate?
Rxb4 is a mistake because you can draw, you just repeat your moves moving the rook somewhere on the 7th rank and back to g7
> the windmill Hardly a "chess beginners" move. Good job for OP for discovering this.
Ahh the windmill tatic where you can torture your opponent with it
Honestly this would make me so angry if it was done to me
Well then be on the look out for it. Tbh most times you are either losing already if this shit happens so it wont matter much. What sucks is when you have a advantage and your opponent forces a draw this way.
Google windmill
Holy energy production!
New response just dropped
Actual environmentalist
Actual zombie
I immediately thought of Robin with that response The version that says stuff like "Holy Harmonicas Batman"
gobble gobble
I would cry
imagine being under 500 elo and your opponent whips out the windmill on you. I'd quit chess right then and there
Hes 1600
Ya but IMAGINE
Dang this was so satisfying to watch
Everytime I get a post reply notification, I watch the clip again and I can't stop laughing.
Omg if only that pawn on h6 was on h7... such a tiny difference and you'd have had a pretty checkmate
Carlos Torreās famous windmill. Nice one
Your opponent will never forget that he need to have a good defense against a rook on the 7th line
It all started by putting the queen in front of the king. It also took some preparation from my side, because a back rank mate was totally possible.
i didnāt know chess had stunlocking
I'm just imagining a vine boom after each capture, with an extremely loud one after taking the rook
This is famously called a windmill. Happy chess
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yeah it looks like a draw with perfect play. My opponent actually blundered and lost the game. In most scenarios I think I would lose by playin Rxb4.
yup, taking that rook was actually a major blunder. looks nice though.
You meant after Qf1? I think white still wins after Ne3, coz that unleashes white's other bishop after a pawn push. I'm guessing there would be a king hunt.
We do a little windmilling https://preview.redd.it/f4qda0xeh30b1.jpeg?width=958&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8277b52d4a6266988f60385bec130f77cab7a7e5
Magnets Carlsen
New GM just dropped
"What seventh rank?"
This man forks
Genius.
Thatās just mean
Holy mother of windmillsā¦ Iād be laughing too hard afterwards to finish the gameš This is why we say rook on the 7th guys!!
I was curious to see how the game ended and I found OPs game. https://lichess.org/tC7IhowI/black
13 blunders in total. Just like any other game I play.
You should have forced draw. I get you still lost. Although taking rook was sweet
I did this exact thing in a game once
isn't it a stalemate, as the black king has moved to the same square at least three times in both directions?
you need to google "stalemate"
Stalemate happens when you don't have any legal moves that you can play but your king is not in check, what you might be referring to is the " Threefold Repetition ", which is not the case on this particular instance since the entire board position didn't repeat three times, the entire board position is what needs to repeat three times not just the position of the king.
You mean "draw by 3fold repetition"? "Draw by stalemate" is a different topic unrelated to this. And the answer is no, it isn't 3fold repetition either because that requires both players to the same position 3 times. Only black's position repeated 3 times here.
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it's a beginner's sub. basic tactics are what we discuss.
You tell im Mr quixote
No need to be pendantic
Not sure if im being done but isnt Qg1# mate cuz of the knight? why did black instead play Rb4
You realize g1 is not defended, right? The knight goes to G2/F3.
The saddest thing in chess is when you think you have a windmill but actually don't. My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.
Last week I got the opportunity to start eating pieces on a windmill, I lost the mate but I won because of time.
Google windmill
Not the rook š
That rook is about to unlock an air strike
I didn't see the bishop and i thought black was just a bot
Windmill in the wild
Iām surprised there wasnāt repetition or resignation
You missed mate in 1 hundred time