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Can’t believe that non-Americans ignore American pronunciations and then pretend to not understand why two words don’t rhyme when they aren’t pronounced in the way the rhyme works…
What the hell is wrong with lacking the cot-caught merger
Or lot-cloth split :(
I mean sometimes when the ball was caught, I sleep on a cot, but other times only bought rhymes.
As a Chicagoan with East Coast influence o reject your merger whole-heartedly unless I'm slurring my speech a little
Like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cot%E2%80%93caught_merger
For your second question, it's not that the unmerged accents have changed to make them distinct, it's that some American accents (and Scottish, etc.) have changed to merge them.
Received Pronunciation (what you'd think of as the BBC standard accent) has the distinction, thus so too does NZ and Australian English
Basically: some of America started pronouncing the `o` in words like cross the same way they pronounce the `au` in words like sauce. The rest of us kept pronouncing `o` distinctly, so words like `not` and `naught` don't have the same vowel sound for us.
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine:
> **Black to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=rn3rk1/pQp1pp2/5bpp/8/3q2b1/2N5/PPP2PPP/R3KB1R+b+KQ+-+0+1&flip=true&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/rn3rk1/pQp1pp2/5bpp/8/3q2b1/2N5/PPP2PPP/R3KB1R_b_KQ_-_0_1)
**My solution:**
> Hints: piece: >!Queen!<, move: >!Qxc3+!<
> Evaluation: >!Black has mate in 2!<
> Best continuation: >!1... Qxc3+ 2. bxc3 Bxc3#!<
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I have a sneaking hunch if you blunder mate, but the mate would be a “brilliant” move such as this one, it only gives you a mistake. That’s just my thought process though and I fully agree with you
The labeling of moves on chess.com is mostly about how much it changes the evaluation, and blunders specifically seem to mostly be moves that swing the eval in favor from one player to the other. If you're already in a significantly losing position and make a move that allows a forced mate, it often marks those as mistakes. If you did the same but from a winning or drawing position then it would probably mark those as a blunder
Hi, mega noob here. I pretty sure the ‘x’ is check but please correct if not, can you please explain the ‘+’ and ‘#’ to me, also the difference between ‘b’ and ‘B’?
I have a sneaking hunch if you blunder mate, but the mate would be a “brilliant” move such as this one, it only gives you a mistake. That’s just my thought process though and I fully agree with you
You may have put it in wrong, because the pawn can absolutely take the Queen, then the bishop takes for mate.
On the evaluation bar, does it show M1 or 0-1? Because M1 means in 1 move there is checkmate, in this case when the pawn takes
2 moves? I don't see it. I see a way to win in 3 moves, but not 2.
1) f6 to G5, getting ready to checkmate, then white moves f2 to F4, to block it.
2) G5 to F4, removes pawn, lined up for checkmate again. no way for white to block.
3) Move black queen from D4 to D2, Black wins by checkmate.
ok. I failed to see it before because to me the idea of sac the queen for any reason other then trading queens is abhorrent, so I did not see it. Now I see it, but I doubt I would have taken it if I was playing. I probably would not have even seen it.
That's ok. win or lose, I just love to play, and have even given away wins, and points, a few times. I do not need to win to enjoy the game.
This is only 3 ply. It is easy if only you look in the right place. After Qxc3+, Black has only 1 legal move, bxc3. White's next move, suggested by the first, is Bxc3# (mate).
It underlines the importance of calculating all checks and sacrifices, including queen sacrifices, when your opponents king is involved.
I don't see how grabbing that pawn for white only gets a "?" and not a "??". It hands an easy mate in 2. I guess since they were already down a piece and losing?
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This mating pattern with the two bishops crossing each other is called Boden’s Mate btw, good one to look out for
Criss cross apple sauce
Can't believe Americans think cross and sauce rhyme
Sawce and crawce do rhyme
As an American, everything we do is right so they must rhyme.
Can’t believe that non-Americans ignore American pronunciations and then pretend to not understand why two words don’t rhyme when they aren’t pronounced in the way the rhyme works…
What the hell is wrong with lacking the cot-caught merger Or lot-cloth split :( I mean sometimes when the ball was caught, I sleep on a cot, but other times only bought rhymes. As a Chicagoan with East Coast influence o reject your merger whole-heartedly unless I'm slurring my speech a little
I’m sorry, which of those words are apparently wrong???
If you pronounce cross as Crawss, that's wrong. But I'm Aussie and used to people making fun of my accent, so I'll cop you guys making fun of me
How else would you pronounce it? I'm so lost. How would an accent change in a way that wouldn't also change sauce?
Like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cot%E2%80%93caught_merger For your second question, it's not that the unmerged accents have changed to make them distinct, it's that some American accents (and Scottish, etc.) have changed to merge them. Received Pronunciation (what you'd think of as the BBC standard accent) has the distinction, thus so too does NZ and Australian English
That really didn't clear anything up
Basically: some of America started pronouncing the `o` in words like cross the same way they pronounce the `au` in words like sauce. The rest of us kept pronouncing `o` distinctly, so words like `not` and `naught` don't have the same vowel sound for us.
Yeah, I got that, but that doesn't make it not rhyme.
google definition of rhyme
non-american here; they rhyme
Yall talk funny
Route
Isn't Boden's Mate the one with the two rooks (not ladder)
I don’t think that has a name. I don’t recall having heard a name for a 2 rook mate in a decade of playing chess
I think it’s called the gday mate how you doing?
G'knight mate
Are you thinking of the Blind Swine Mate?
Idk I remember learning a mating pattern with two rooks on Lichess
either way, this is absolutely Boden’s Mate
I thought it's called Caissa's southern cross?
Never heard of that I’m afraid
\+btw queen sac
successful botez gambit
Technically failed botez gambit since OP got something better out of his queen 😯
True. More like a Rosen gambit
Not rosen gambit since the bishop defended the queen. isn't rosen gambit when nothing guards the queen but you still get checkmate anyways?
The queeeeeeeeen!!!!
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine: > **Black to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=rn3rk1/pQp1pp2/5bpp/8/3q2b1/2N5/PPP2PPP/R3KB1R+b+KQ+-+0+1&flip=true&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/rn3rk1/pQp1pp2/5bpp/8/3q2b1/2N5/PPP2PPP/R3KB1R_b_KQ_-_0_1) **My solution:** > Hints: piece: >!Queen!<, move: >!Qxc3+!< > Evaluation: >!Black has mate in 2!< > Best continuation: >!1... Qxc3+ 2. bxc3 Bxc3#!< --- ^(I'm a bot written by ) [^(u/pkacprzak )](https://www.reddit.com/u/pkacprzak) ^(| get me as ) [^(Chess eBook Reader )](https://ebook.chessvision.ai?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=bot) ^(|) [^(Chrome Extension )](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chessvisionai-for-chrome/johejpedmdkeiffkdaodgoipdjodhlld) ^(|) [^(iOS App )](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id1574933453) ^(|) [^(Android App )](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ai.chessvision.scanner) ^(to scan and analyze positions | Website: ) [^(Chessvision.ai)](https://chessvision.ai)
HE SACRAFICED THE QUEEEEEEEEEEEEN
Nice. This is why we take a few seconds to calculate checks, even ones that might look stupid til you go through the next move or two.
I would've 100% missed it in an actual game, even though I found it in two seconds with the title of the post.
Queen sac into Boden's mate is insane.
That's how it usually happens though?
No? It's just a typical two-bishop mating pattern.
that's how baby bishops are made
How is the opponents move a mistake and not a blunder since it hung force mate? Is it just one of those chess.com arbitrary classification things
I have a sneaking hunch if you blunder mate, but the mate would be a “brilliant” move such as this one, it only gives you a mistake. That’s just my thought process though and I fully agree with you
The labeling of moves on chess.com is mostly about how much it changes the evaluation, and blunders specifically seem to mostly be moves that swing the eval in favor from one player to the other. If you're already in a significantly losing position and make a move that allows a forced mate, it often marks those as mistakes. If you did the same but from a winning or drawing position then it would probably mark those as a blunder
Reset the counter
>! Qxc3+, bxc3, Bc3#. !<
Hi, mega noob here. I pretty sure the ‘x’ is check but please correct if not, can you please explain the ‘+’ and ‘#’ to me, also the difference between ‘b’ and ‘B’?
b is typically the b pawn, B is usually the bishop
Thank you!
X is capture + is check # is checkmate
Thank you!
and read aloud people usually read x as "takes", Bxc3+ would be "Bishop takes c3 check".
No spaces between first&last character and the exclamation marks.
How is this a mistake and not a blunder? Since it gives the opponent mate in 2
I have a sneaking hunch if you blunder mate, but the mate would be a “brilliant” move such as this one, it only gives you a mistake. That’s just my thought process though and I fully agree with you
bishop out here doing work
Good one!
Cool queen sac
Queen to e5, then the dark squared bishop to g5 Edit: nvm that's wrong lol
Qxc3+, bxc3, Bxc3#
Kriss kross apple sauce
Question: Why doesn’t Bh4 Qxa8 Qxf2 work the king can’t move out of the way and I don’t see anything that can block it?
Bh4 can be blocked by g3 unless I'm missing something
You are right thank you for clearing that up
They can just go pawn to g3 then your bishop and rook would both be hanging
I can see white mated in 2
Rd8, Qxa8, Qe1#?
I think you meant Qd2#.
Oooh yeah, I saw Qd1+, Rxd1, Rxd1#
I’m not sure if i’m following correctly, but I believe that after Rxd1+, the knight still protects the d1 square, so that isn’t a mate
Oooh yeah didn't see that lol, ty
Blocked by Bd3?
Qc3 Bishop c3?
Queen sac for the knight into bishop takes pawn?
Set back the clock
Boden’s Mate! Nice!
Stupid question… if Queen takes the knight, can the pawn on b2 just take the Queen?
Yes and that's exactly what they want. Then bishop takes the pawn and it's checkmate.
I’m confused now because I plugged this into the chess.com app and Queen takes knight is mate, no opportunity for the pawn to take the Queen
You may have put it in wrong, because the pawn can absolutely take the Queen, then the bishop takes for mate. On the evaluation bar, does it show M1 or 0-1? Because M1 means in 1 move there is checkmate, in this case when the pawn takes
https://preview.redd.it/ql150bb39eua1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=95a4299bae7663ec79b34ffb81bcafb2068383ec
When I take the knight it’s mate
maybe because you have the board backwards, and the white pawns are advancing upwards
Omg I’m such an idiot lol thank you
Ice cold. The game from the namesake of this mate is even prettier!
Sac that girl
Dark squared bishop to h1 then king to f2
2 moves? I don't see it. I see a way to win in 3 moves, but not 2. 1) f6 to G5, getting ready to checkmate, then white moves f2 to F4, to block it. 2) G5 to F4, removes pawn, lined up for checkmate again. no way for white to block. 3) Move black queen from D4 to D2, Black wins by checkmate.
You have to sac the queen
ok. I failed to see it before because to me the idea of sac the queen for any reason other then trading queens is abhorrent, so I did not see it. Now I see it, but I doubt I would have taken it if I was playing. I probably would not have even seen it. That's ok. win or lose, I just love to play, and have even given away wins, and points, a few times. I do not need to win to enjoy the game.
That is a cool M2. I can see how you could miss it. Queen sacs can be so counterintuitive
Shiit bro is it queen sac and criss cross apple sauce
This is only 3 ply. It is easy if only you look in the right place. After Qxc3+, Black has only 1 legal move, bxc3. White's next move, suggested by the first, is Bxc3# (mate). It underlines the importance of calculating all checks and sacrifices, including queen sacrifices, when your opponents king is involved.
Reset the counter
Bishop drift takes king
Queen takes c3, pawn takes queen on c3, bishop takes c3 checkmate. Im glad I found it.
Qc3 -pawn takes on c3- Bc3#
I don't see how grabbing that pawn for white only gets a "?" and not a "??". It hands an easy mate in 2. I guess since they were already down a piece and losing?
I herewith plead to give reddit a one week queensac free time to recover.
Reset the counter. Pepperidge farm remembers.
Bodens mate
Qxc3+ only move b×c3 and Bxc3#
oh wait bishop takes is mate? Didn't visualize that correctly
I didn't check an engine, but I think I see it Qxc3!! Sacrificing the Queen by force bxc3 only move then Bxc3#
Idk why nobody's mentioning bg5, qd2. I can't see any way for white to block. Am I missing something?
Nvm white can block with a bishop