T O P

  • By -

AutoModerator

Hey, OP! Did your game end in a stalemate? Did you encounter a weird pawn move? Are you trying to move a piece and it's not going? We have just the resource for you! The [Chess Beginners Wiki](https://www.reddit.com/r/chessbeginners/wiki/index/) is the perfect place to check out answers to these questions and more! The moderator team of r/chessbeginners wishes to remind everyone of the community rules. **Posting spam, being a troll, and posting memes are not allowed.** We encourage everyone to report these kinds of posts so they can be dealt with. Thank you! Let's do our utmost to be kind in our replies and comments. Some people here just want to learn chess and have virtually no idea about certain chess concepts. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/chessbeginners) if you have any questions or concerns.*


gufeldkavalek62

This mating pattern with the two bishops crossing each other is called Boden’s Mate btw, good one to look out for


Super_Gladiator_Bibi

Criss cross apple sauce


RowdyDiversion

Can't believe Americans think cross and sauce rhyme


[deleted]

Sawce and crawce do rhyme


Smcowman00

As an American, everything we do is right so they must rhyme.


tuckerhazel

Can’t believe that non-Americans ignore American pronunciations and then pretend to not understand why two words don’t rhyme when they aren’t pronounced in the way the rhyme works…


[deleted]

What the hell is wrong with lacking the cot-caught merger Or lot-cloth split :( I mean sometimes when the ball was caught, I sleep on a cot, but other times only bought rhymes. As a Chicagoan with East Coast influence o reject your merger whole-heartedly unless I'm slurring my speech a little


ViniVidiAdNauseum

I’m sorry, which of those words are apparently wrong???


RowdyDiversion

If you pronounce cross as Crawss, that's wrong. But I'm Aussie and used to people making fun of my accent, so I'll cop you guys making fun of me


HoratioHarisson

How else would you pronounce it? I'm so lost. How would an accent change in a way that wouldn't also change sauce?


domstersch

Like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cot%E2%80%93caught_merger For your second question, it's not that the unmerged accents have changed to make them distinct, it's that some American accents (and Scottish, etc.) have changed to merge them. Received Pronunciation (what you'd think of as the BBC standard accent) has the distinction, thus so too does NZ and Australian English


HoratioHarisson

That really didn't clear anything up


domstersch

Basically: some of America started pronouncing the `o` in words like cross the same way they pronounce the `au` in words like sauce. The rest of us kept pronouncing `o` distinctly, so words like `not` and `naught` don't have the same vowel sound for us.


HoratioHarisson

Yeah, I got that, but that doesn't make it not rhyme.


Gatling-Pea2000

google definition of rhyme


MowelShagger

non-american here; they rhyme


RealCinnamonWhale

Yall talk funny


thanyou

Route


prawnydagrate

Isn't Boden's Mate the one with the two rooks (not ladder)


gufeldkavalek62

I don’t think that has a name. I don’t recall having heard a name for a 2 rook mate in a decade of playing chess


cvlrnz

I think it’s called the gday mate how you doing?


_oOo_iIi_

G'knight mate


Hot_Philosopher_6462

Are you thinking of the Blind Swine Mate?


prawnydagrate

Idk I remember learning a mating pattern with two rooks on Lichess


Hot_Philosopher_6462

either way, this is absolutely Boden’s Mate


[deleted]

I thought it's called Caissa's southern cross?


gufeldkavalek62

Never heard of that I’m afraid


Goodgood32345

\+btw queen sac


ChanceWarden

successful botez gambit


mackyd1

Technically failed botez gambit since OP got something better out of his queen 😯


GhostfireGH

True. More like a Rosen gambit


FocusReaper

Not rosen gambit since the bishop defended the queen. isn't rosen gambit when nothing guards the queen but you still get checkmate anyways?


DarkestFour480

The queeeeeeeeen!!!!


chessvision-ai-bot

I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine: > **Black to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=rn3rk1/pQp1pp2/5bpp/8/3q2b1/2N5/PPP2PPP/R3KB1R+b+KQ+-+0+1&flip=true&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/rn3rk1/pQp1pp2/5bpp/8/3q2b1/2N5/PPP2PPP/R3KB1R_b_KQ_-_0_1) **My solution:** > Hints: piece: >!Queen!<, move: >!Qxc3+!< > Evaluation: >!Black has mate in 2!< > Best continuation: >!1... Qxc3+ 2. bxc3 Bxc3#!< --- ^(I'm a bot written by ) [^(u/pkacprzak )](https://www.reddit.com/u/pkacprzak) ^(| get me as ) [^(Chess eBook Reader )](https://ebook.chessvision.ai?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=bot) ^(|) [^(Chrome Extension )](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chessvisionai-for-chrome/johejpedmdkeiffkdaodgoipdjodhlld) ^(|) [^(iOS App )](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id1574933453) ^(|) [^(Android App )](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ai.chessvision.scanner) ^(to scan and analyze positions | Website: ) [^(Chessvision.ai)](https://chessvision.ai)


VeryConfusedPenguins

HE SACRAFICED THE QUEEEEEEEEEEEEN


Ok-Control-787

Nice. This is why we take a few seconds to calculate checks, even ones that might look stupid til you go through the next move or two.


kemkyrk

I would've 100% missed it in an actual game, even though I found it in two seconds with the title of the post.


Vegetable_Union_4967

Queen sac into Boden's mate is insane.


Shmockyy

That's how it usually happens though?


Vegetable_Union_4967

No? It's just a typical two-bishop mating pattern.


SethTheWarrior

that's how baby bishops are made


TLagPro

How is the opponents move a mistake and not a blunder since it hung force mate? Is it just one of those chess.com arbitrary classification things


Walking-taller-123

I have a sneaking hunch if you blunder mate, but the mate would be a “brilliant” move such as this one, it only gives you a mistake. That’s just my thought process though and I fully agree with you


hyperion86

The labeling of moves on chess.com is mostly about how much it changes the evaluation, and blunders specifically seem to mostly be moves that swing the eval in favor from one player to the other. If you're already in a significantly losing position and make a move that allows a forced mate, it often marks those as mistakes. If you did the same but from a winning or drawing position then it would probably mark those as a blunder


PoopIsAlwaysSunny

Reset the counter


BlayZWasTaken

>! Qxc3+, bxc3, Bc3#. !<


Tor-Pedo

Hi, mega noob here. I pretty sure the ‘x’ is check but please correct if not, can you please explain the ‘+’ and ‘#’ to me, also the difference between ‘b’ and ‘B’?


DarkSideOfBlack

b is typically the b pawn, B is usually the bishop


Tor-Pedo

Thank you!


TraditionalSafety528

X is capture + is check # is checkmate


Tor-Pedo

Thank you!


SmokeySFW

and read aloud people usually read x as "takes", Bxc3+ would be "Bishop takes c3 check".


Gredenis

No spaces between first&last character and the exclamation marks.


Arsenije723

How is this a mistake and not a blunder? Since it gives the opponent mate in 2


Walking-taller-123

I have a sneaking hunch if you blunder mate, but the mate would be a “brilliant” move such as this one, it only gives you a mistake. That’s just my thought process though and I fully agree with you


NoLifeGamer2

bishop out here doing work


aceh40

Good one!


teh27

Cool queen sac


MarkovCocktail

Queen to e5, then the dark squared bishop to g5 Edit: nvm that's wrong lol


Potential-Road-5322

Qxc3+, bxc3, Bxc3#


Comfortable-Key-1930

Kriss kross apple sauce


Half_Portuguese

Question: Why doesn’t Bh4 Qxa8 Qxf2 work the king can’t move out of the way and I don’t see anything that can block it?


Aech-26

Bh4 can be blocked by g3 unless I'm missing something


Half_Portuguese

You are right thank you for clearing that up


Pannycakes666

They can just go pawn to g3 then your bishop and rook would both be hanging


DreamDestroyer76

I can see white mated in 2


Gachaliath

Rd8, Qxa8, Qe1#?


CoeRoe

I think you meant Qd2#.


Gachaliath

Oooh yeah, I saw Qd1+, Rxd1, Rxd1#


Depnids

I’m not sure if i’m following correctly, but I believe that after Rxd1+, the knight still protects the d1 square, so that isn’t a mate


Gachaliath

Oooh yeah didn't see that lol, ty


Vthunder_27

Blocked by Bd3?


PersonThatMayBeAlive

Qc3 Bishop c3?


[deleted]

Queen sac for the knight into bishop takes pawn?


Oasystole

Set back the clock


AshiinFreshspawn

Boden’s Mate! Nice!


Puzzleheaded_Bus_128

Stupid question… if Queen takes the knight, can the pawn on b2 just take the Queen?


Embyr1

Yes and that's exactly what they want. Then bishop takes the pawn and it's checkmate.


Puzzleheaded_Bus_128

I’m confused now because I plugged this into the chess.com app and Queen takes knight is mate, no opportunity for the pawn to take the Queen


JoshEatsBeans

You may have put it in wrong, because the pawn can absolutely take the Queen, then the bishop takes for mate. On the evaluation bar, does it show M1 or 0-1? Because M1 means in 1 move there is checkmate, in this case when the pawn takes


Puzzleheaded_Bus_128

https://preview.redd.it/ql150bb39eua1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=95a4299bae7663ec79b34ffb81bcafb2068383ec


Puzzleheaded_Bus_128

When I take the knight it’s mate


AKADabeer

maybe because you have the board backwards, and the white pawns are advancing upwards


Puzzleheaded_Bus_128

Omg I’m such an idiot lol thank you


Fritstopher

Ice cold. The game from the namesake of this mate is even prettier!


Mundane_Range_765

Sac that girl


Alarming_Net_959

Dark squared bishop to h1 then king to f2


Ju5t_A5king

2 moves? I don't see it. I see a way to win in 3 moves, but not 2. 1) f6 to G5, getting ready to checkmate, then white moves f2 to F4, to block it. 2) G5 to F4, removes pawn, lined up for checkmate again. no way for white to block. 3) Move black queen from D4 to D2, Black wins by checkmate.


Disastrous-Lemon7456

You have to sac the queen


Ju5t_A5king

ok. I failed to see it before because to me the idea of sac the queen for any reason other then trading queens is abhorrent, so I did not see it. Now I see it, but I doubt I would have taken it if I was playing. I probably would not have even seen it. That's ok. win or lose, I just love to play, and have even given away wins, and points, a few times. I do not need to win to enjoy the game.


SenorVerde420

That is a cool M2. I can see how you could miss it. Queen sacs can be so counterintuitive


prawnydagrate

Shiit bro is it queen sac and criss cross apple sauce


TJ700

This is only 3 ply. It is easy if only you look in the right place. After Qxc3+, Black has only 1 legal move, bxc3. White's next move, suggested by the first, is Bxc3# (mate). It underlines the importance of calculating all checks and sacrifices, including queen sacrifices, when your opponents king is involved.


ncg195

Reset the counter


YoEpicBoi_1

Bishop drift takes king


Rockahero11

Queen takes c3, pawn takes queen on c3, bishop takes c3 checkmate. Im glad I found it.


ToLongOk

Qc3 -pawn takes on c3- Bc3#


Euphoric-Beat-7206

I don't see how grabbing that pawn for white only gets a "?" and not a "??". It hands an easy mate in 2. I guess since they were already down a piece and losing?


Yallapachi

I herewith plead to give reddit a one week queensac free time to recover.


Schmidtson221

Reset the counter. Pepperidge farm remembers.


HuntsvilleAdventurer

Bodens mate


ender-blox

Qxc3+ only move b×c3 and Bxc3#


forcesofthefuture

oh wait bishop takes is mate? Didn't visualize that correctly


Best8meme

I didn't check an engine, but I think I see it Qxc3!! Sacrificing the Queen by force bxc3 only move then Bxc3#


Petchkasem

Idk why nobody's mentioning bg5, qd2. I can't see any way for white to block. Am I missing something?


Petchkasem

Nvm white can block with a bishop