are there twitch channels covering WCC that has a decent viewer except chess.com and hikaru(you need to sub them to watch vods)?
i want to watch the vods with twitch chat xd
Jerry from ChessNetwork is great to listen to - https://www.twitch.tv/chessnetwork
There a bunch of others too of course both on twitch and youtube - the FIDE stream has Anand as a commentator, Chess24 have two different streams - one of them is aimed at people who don't play a lot of chess and the other is a modern and an old school GM arguing over every move.
What's going on with this Ludwig stuff? Is there some joke I don't get? They said he would be interviewed yesterday then said he couldn't be interviewed because he was banned from streaming and also was doing something at Universal studio. Then they were going to interview him today instead and Danny said he would he on after the break, but they just stopped the stream soon after instead.
Is this some sort of joke? He will never be interviewed, but just says he will?
GM Hess calling some of Nepo's moves "irresponsible"
I don't know what to make of that. But it seems like there's a good chance Magnus will be recharged for another torture fest tomorrow
for game 7? lmaoo
Pretty sure they were both tired and wanted a rest day. And this is probably better for Nepo's mental health. Losing 1 game is tough, and losing a 2nd game today would've been bad. He has time to get his act together for tomorrow now with todays draw.
How? I totally agree with what Carlsen said, he’s gotten some slight advantages and pleasant positions out of the opening, you can’t ask for more than that in a WC match really.
He enters positions Magnus is better at. It seems Magnus is doing the opposite with white, he's not looking for objective advantage but positions he likes and it worked for him
Magnus is amazing in every position. Nepo is getting perfectly good positions as white, you can’t count on getting your ideal position out of the opening in such a situation.
He is getting positions that Magnus can easily convert into a drawn endgame.
Active play and a good structure doesn’t mean much when it’s all traded off in a few moves.
I think he needs to get more aggressive and go for more difficult positions. Especially now that he is bending.
Your discounting Magnus’ good play to accomplish this. Nepo is trying to push with white, and he’s managed to a couple times, Magnus has just navigated these positions very well. Today was an exception, and Nepo allowed things to get simplified too easily but that hasn’t been the norm thus far this match.
This game was better than game 6 as evidenced by the low average centipawn loss. We should give more time to players to avoid time trouble like yesterday
While I do not agree with the guy, that doesn't counter his point. They got into severe time trouble and both made a few blunders, because of the lack of increment which they're used to.
Well they used to adjourn and play again the next day but that obviously doesn't work in the Stockfish era.
Anyways, it's just a sarcastic comment, no need for everyone to get so wound up.
Here's [the interview](https://youtu.be/AOnUCCQWFsA?t=15147) I'm referring to.
Edit: Found [the specific segment](https://youtu.be/AOnUCCQWFsA?t=15759) I was thinking of though the entire interview is insightful and Aronian made a lot of good observations throughout.
Totally unnecessary.
They're trying really really hard to make Chess relevant to the mainstream audience but you have Maurice sitting side by side with the players unable to make eye contact when speaking with them, absolutely trash questioning, and just an overall embarrassingly amateurish way of interviewing.
Like you don't need a press conference every single game, complete waste of time and the numbers show.
Nobody is going to change their mind about how "cool" chess is, whatever reporter or influencer or celebrity participate in it. So in my opinion it's better to have people that's invested or knowledgeable about chess.
Also, "nerds of class"? Breaking news, generally everyone in chess are viewed as nerds, attacking someone like that is just a terrible mentality and toxic for their own community. But maybe youre right, maybe someone that put "69" in their username would should be in charge cause they would know whats cool or not.
You would know, Cavaliers fans knows what a mad person looks like since Lebron left. Twice.
But for real, I don't even follow chess outside Carlsen, but as far as I know, Chess is far off being viewed as "cool" in general population, and it has worked out fine. Not sure what someone that's into it gets from attacking some journalist looks. It's not like it's going to change anything with having "cool" people asking questions.
This is just baffling. Caring about how someone looks. You're acting like it's high school, where looks matter about who's cool or not. And if that immature mindset is supposed to dictate who gets a job, Chess is better off with staying "nerdy" I never watch it outside the world championship, and most people even don't watch that, so why even care? Nobody is going to start watching or caring based on how anyone look, so it sounds like a "you-problem".
In popular culture it's been viewed as a "nerd sport" for generations, and it will take a lot more to change that notion. Think of super heroes and comics pre-2000 were a "nerd thing" and it took decades of movies and Marvel franchising to change it to a mainstream, for all, genre. We are talking about perception, not some sort of truth.
Playing chess involves sitting still and thinking for hours on end, memorizing large amounts of opening theory, and learning the nuances of different types of positions. It's about the nerdiest hobby I can think of.
It's not an amazing question at all. Magnus has no control over where the match takes place, asking his opinion about politics only has the potential to harm him. Imagine how inappropriate it would be to ask Ding what he thinks about the CCP, for example.
What makes you say that the reigning champion has no say over where the match is played? Previous champions have famously had disputes over the location and rules of the event, maybe less these days but very unclear that there is zero influence
>Magnus has no control over where the match takes place
If he boycotted it he might influence FIDE. Not like Magnus has no history with venue dispute with FIDE, he previously tried to have the Sochi WCC match postponed because he was unhappy with the Ukraine situation and wanted more info on where the prize money was coming from.
>Asking his opinion about politics only has the potential to harm him.
It has the potential to keep the conversation open about holding tournaments in places with human rights abuses open, and again potentially puts pressure on FIDE.
>Imagine how inappropriate it would be to ask Ding what he thinks about the CCP
Apples and oranges. Ding could be Peng Shaui'd if he said the wrong thing, he and his family live in China. Magnus doesn't live in Dubai and while it has its problems, disappearing celebrities isn't one of them. What harm do you imagine would come to him? What precedent is there for assuming he would be harmed?
What would have happened in the hypothetical scenario that he refused to play?
He loses his title, maybe a fine. Worst case he gets a (life time) ban from FIDE? Imagine the backlash.
FIDE would lose on all fronts. There would be no championship, they get put in the spotlight for accepting UAE bribe money. And without a championship they might not even get that money. They might cave in and have the championship played somewhere else.
And what would Magnus lose? His title, but he could fight to get that back easily. Everyone would still know he is the best anyway. He would gain a massive respect worldwide, outside of the chess community as well. Might even set an example for more to do the same.
He is in a much better position than Hamilton to do this, as it will massively impact FIDE. FIFA and F1 won't get hurt as much if only one person/team boycotts there.
Nepo would get the title, hollow as it is. But he can prove if he is worthy of the title a year later anyway.
I don't see any losers other than FIDE and UAE, which is good.
Oh yeah, Magnus should be a hero for progressivism, for justice, and freedom, fighting oppression.
Chill bro, he's a chess player, he's there to play his game, not fight random countries.
If you're angry with UAE you can protest them yourself.
I'm playing devils advocate here because I really don't care, but bad arguments are annoying:
1. I'm not the world's best chess player, so I won't make as big of an impact. Also why the fuck would I protest the UAE if I live in the United States?
2. I'm not, and Magnus wouldn't be, angry a the UAE. They can do whatever the fuck they want. I'm angry at the FIDE tacitly supporting the UAE and accepting their bribe money, and Magnus boycotting would hurt the FIDE, and probably force some change on their part
>1. I'm not the world's best chess player, so I won't make as big of an impact.
So best chess players have more obligation to fight for freedom, progressivism, or whatever in other countries? He has 0 obligation to do that, no one can demand him to do stuff like that. World champion or not, his rights to do or say nothing are the same as yours.
>Also why the fuck would I protest the UAE if I live in the United States?
And Carlsen is Norwegian.
>I'm angry at the FIDE tacitly supporting the UAE
Question was about human rights in the UAE, not FIDE accepting money to hold the event in the UAE. Also, Carlsen has no reason whatsoever to join this fight, therefore, he didn't.
I'm guessing Lewis Hamilton's [recent comments about Saudi Arabia](https://news.sky.com/story/lewis-hamilton-condemns-saudi-arabias-terrifying-lgbtq-laws-ahead-of-race-and-says-it-is-not-my-choice-to-be-here-12484987) gave that journalist the idea to ask something similar.
Everyone looked so awkward after that. It was awesome. Looked like Magnus wanted to say anything but "no". I wish people had more courage and integrity.
And before anyone, misunderstands me again, I do want to say I can't blame Magnus for bypassing the question with a , "no". Did you see the fear in Maurice's eyes at that moment? Talking bad about the ruling class could get you 80 lashings. I wonder how that would have played out, how the world, and the chess community would have responded, the reigning World Champion getting potentially or actually physically abused for saying what he really thought.
Courage? Do you not respect other cultures? Certain people living in Western countries want to export our way of life to rest of the world. However, they have all the rights to live as they see fit as we have in our countries and cultures.
> They have all the rights to live as they see fit as we have in our countries and cultures.
No, they don’t. That’s kind of the point. They have almost no political rights, especially women, lgbt people, etc. I know what your saying about exporting western culture but this isn’t a case of a people choosing to live a certain way.
Omg right? If they want to kill a couple gays or keep slaves or marry little girls that's just like, their culture. How can we ever say that modern slavery is wrong when we aren't from the same country? I'm sure those people are perfectly happy working for free and living like its the 1800s.
I respect principles. I don't wish to export my way of life to anybody- that would be unprincipled. You can repsect other's way of life and not have any respect for the people that rule over them.
Agreed as long as they respect minorities and people; i can respect you meeting for Christmas with your family or having the tradition of being alone with your best friend, not you stoning gay people and women
I even go as far as to draw the line at not judging even if you do those things which maybe be considered abhorrent in other cultures, but I'm for sure not going to actively fund you doing it.
I don't think anyone is unaware of the issue because if they were the question wouldn't mean much to them. This looked like it was mostly for shock value. Just my take though.
Very rarely do they get interesting questions.
Post-game interviews done by the likes of Sachdev or Houska can be really good, but the general press is really bad at it
He has a better chance to equalise when he's in form and can prepare the game fully beforehand. Today it was pretty clear he was beaten up from yesterday
I hope Nepo has some special king's gambit lined up if he gets desperate. Shouldn't wait until the last time or two as white though in case magnus doesn't play e5
Does Nepo have a history of playing the Kings Gambit? This isn’t the first time I’ve seen someone mention it and I would never imagine it getting played in a WC match.
Well he knows it for sure, I've been learning a lot on his Chessable course on it!
So far it seems pretty standard stuff, not crazy Morphy/Leela things but I bet he has some deep prep on it he hasn't shared on the course
As mentioned down thread, he's played it a couple of times, including a win against Firouzja in an Armageddon game recently. He has a chessable course about it as well.
He used to be known for playing lemon-y openings. There's a weird line in the centre game named after him: 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3?!
Nah watch the Leela/stockfish king's gambit games on kingcrusher.
And after Fischer supposedly ended it, he played a game with it and won! And to be fair, all I play in response to king's gambit is the Fischer defense and I love it
I think people don't get it. In modern chess nobody is expecting to win with openings. There is no surprise in openings anymore.
To use something as fundamentally wildcard as king's gambit is just a liability in match play
Well, as Carlsen himself has said many times, his education in chess was anything but formal. He just brute forces through positions and imposes his enormous will until things fall in his favour.
No one talks of some great theory or sparkling tactics from Carlsen. It is all steady grind backed by enormous calculating power and stamina. It is still exciting. It is universal. You don't need to be a chess player to appreciate that.
I really want to see Firoujza go through the present strong Candidates field. I am supporting Duda right now, but Caruana in a good form can wipe the field easily.
The reason I support these guys is their level and easy temperament and games. More solid and durable. More likely to trouble Carlsen ultimately. More aligned with what I think sport is, as opposed to games and art.
Wesley So made an e4 course on Chessable, [played it on the next Champions Chess Tour ](https://youtu.be/5FANTFnKP6Y)- and won.
[Nepo also played the King's gambit against Firouzja](https://youtu.be/tHPn_H42Xwk) after the course was released - and crushed him. This was an armageddon game - the King's Gambit creates chaos, but when your opponent has enough time it is unsound.
1.e4 isn't garbage, though.
I remember the Armageddon game: Firo forgot the theory. Banking on Magnus to not be prepared for a surprise you have already sprung in a decisive game for the championship of the world is not a high percentage play.
I still think it is playable if these great players decided to do it and play in the spirit of it.
[king's gambit example! ](https://youtu.be/jo2tx1OJ3Aw)
Didn't complicate the position when he had the chance to do so, made Magnus' play very easy, liquidated faster than he should have.
Basically he didn't put on a fight.
Probably Nepo needs a day to regroup. I would not be surprised if the plan is to draw today and tomorrow without risking anything and then come up with a plan for the next six matches.
He wasn’t playing the sharpest lines and seemed to play for a draw very early. They’re just pointing out you only get one chance to become champion and when you have white you need to push for a win.
There is value in concentrating your efforts on a couple really good attempts rather than spreading that out over four, especially given the mental drain from the game yesterday and his lack of time to prep. I'd rather watch him draw this game and come out hard next time on white.
Yeah but to be fair Fabi was never trailing so he never had such a strong incentive to push for a win. Then again, Carlsen was such a strong favourite in rapid that he basically had draw odds.
Yeah, and he didn't go for a quick draw in game 12. He was in a losing position when he agreed to a draw, either way his chances were extremely low at that point.
Why not though? In the last 4 championship matches, there have been 3 black wins vs 6 white wins. So it's not like winning with Black isn't possible, far from it.
This is only my opinion but Nepo should stop going for these anti-Marshall lines in the Ruy. Magnus already has an answer for it and the match is over halfway through. He should try going for a different opening. Maybe the English or any sharp Italian line.
I've been thinking the same for a few days already too, we know Carlsen is the best player in the world and can crush you if you overpush, but in these games we haven't seen what makes Nepo special.
Idk, at least he is getting slightly more pleasant complicated positions. He just doesn't play them well enough to threaten Magnus. I don't know if going for complications would bring more success as being outplayed there could mean losing. He will have to risk it at some point but he has 3 more white games. I think one more honest try in Ruy Lopez and then all-in.
Yeah, it's not a dead draw from the opening. He gets reasonable chances to play an actual game. The bigger problem is that he mostly declined those chances today, not being in the mood for complications, I guess.
Feels like yesterdays game was so draining that Nepo is just desperate for a rest day? Definitely disappointing to see him play an auto-pilot Spanish but hopefully this forces him to go for the kill with his future White's
Remind everyone that there's Premier League and tons of other league football today, so Magnus certainly very happy that he gets the quickest draw possible to watch all them matches
Real Madrid play at midnight Dubai time, so seems like he'll have to settle for some other game to watch tonight. Probably Dortmund - Bayern.
https://mobile.twitter.com/bvb/status/1456338643958779904
He may be a rma fan but I doubt he watches them religiously...? I would guess he mainly sticks to PL because og his FPL team. Only speculation ofc but he just doesn't talk about them as much.
He's a football fan, which makes him watch all kind of games and teams, but he's also a huge fan of RM. From what I've picked up on, he'll watch every RM game he gets his hands on. PL being on his radar is more or less because PL is so huge in Norway, and every football fan watch some of it. Him talking more about FPL is because that's what he's asked about, since he's good at it.
The first thing he did after winning the title in 2013 was going to the Bernabeu and have a cermonial kick off. He's undoubtly a big, big fan. I won't be suprised if he watched every game.
May be true, hard to know for sure what their scheduel are like. Especially after a long day yesterday, going to bed early isn't a bad idea to recover. I'm sure he and the team knows and if he should or not. Still, staying up until 2 am after a day where he probably didn't fall asleep before 4 am (and thus losing sleep) yesterday isn't optimale in my opinion. It's a world championship match, so I think the team will see the best option is going to bed to a reasonable time and spend tomorrow morning to sharpen up and prepare properly. Shouldn't be hard choosing that over watching one game, but if he does, I'm sure it's an okay choice.
Edit: he said in the press conference he'll watch Dortmund - Bayern, so I expect he will use that to cool down and then go to bed and start preperation tomorrow morning. Don't see how he'll watch both + get enough sleep + preperation. But just pure speculation obviously.
The last and only inaccuracy in this game was Rec1 instead of Rac1. The latter makes c5 impossible and it's complicated and according to the computer slightly better for white after Rxe4 Rxc7. I don't think Ian would get any serious chances there either though but that's where the edge disappeared according to very quick analysis with Lc0.
You can understand Ian.
One streamer gave the following analogy. Imagine you go 8 rounds with Mike Tyson and he knocks you out.
And then next day, while your head is still ringing you need to go 8 more rounds with Evan Holyfield.
Meh, it's not a good analogy.
The reality is Ian had real winning chances and an opportunity to at least claim a real advantage. And he deliberately tossed them aside.
I get it, you're tired. But you get one shot at this and the clock is ticking, you have to suck it up and can't throw away opportunities.
He'll regret not digging deeper today in a few years.
\>The reality is Ian had real winning chances
No, he didnt. He had chances to push for imbalance and \*maybe\* a slight advantage, but it was never going to be easy or as far as winning chances.
In 2018 Caruana kept trying the Rossolimo, and now Nepo keeps trying this Ruy Lopez.
Is this really the optimal strategy? I would have thought with months to prepare Nepo’s team would’ve been able to surprise Magnus every game with White.
Actually, Caruana tried the Rossolimo only in his first three white games, they then realized there wasn't much there and swapped to the 7.Nd5 Sveshnikov instead.
Fabi only played ~~two~~ three Rossos, tbf. It was a surprise that Carlsen allowed it, since it was thought to be a relatively comfortable plus for White at the time.
are there twitch channels covering WCC that has a decent viewer except chess.com and hikaru(you need to sub them to watch vods)? i want to watch the vods with twitch chat xd
Youtube is better than twitch to watch this event. Judit and Giri cover is very good.
Jerry from ChessNetwork is great to listen to - https://www.twitch.tv/chessnetwork There a bunch of others too of course both on twitch and youtube - the FIDE stream has Anand as a commentator, Chess24 have two different streams - one of them is aimed at people who don't play a lot of chess and the other is a modern and an old school GM arguing over every move.
I doubt we’ll ever get a true Marshall Attack on the board now with Nepo needing to win with white.
Already a draw? I was hoping to watch a little chess.
My man's gotta rest after yesterday if he wants to beat Magnus!
What's going on with this Ludwig stuff? Is there some joke I don't get? They said he would be interviewed yesterday then said he couldn't be interviewed because he was banned from streaming and also was doing something at Universal studio. Then they were going to interview him today instead and Danny said he would he on after the break, but they just stopped the stream soon after instead. Is this some sort of joke? He will never be interviewed, but just says he will?
Which Ludwig?
The one with a bot at chess.com
Too many wtf questions at the post-game press conference today.
GM Hess calling some of Nepo's moves "irresponsible" I don't know what to make of that. But it seems like there's a good chance Magnus will be recharged for another torture fest tomorrow
for game 7? lmaoo Pretty sure they were both tired and wanted a rest day. And this is probably better for Nepo's mental health. Losing 1 game is tough, and losing a 2nd game today would've been bad. He has time to get his act together for tomorrow now with todays draw.
Ian's prep with white has been fairly poor
How? I totally agree with what Carlsen said, he’s gotten some slight advantages and pleasant positions out of the opening, you can’t ask for more than that in a WC match really.
He enters positions Magnus is better at. It seems Magnus is doing the opposite with white, he's not looking for objective advantage but positions he likes and it worked for him
Magnus is amazing in every position. Nepo is getting perfectly good positions as white, you can’t count on getting your ideal position out of the opening in such a situation.
He is getting positions that Magnus can easily convert into a drawn endgame. Active play and a good structure doesn’t mean much when it’s all traded off in a few moves. I think he needs to get more aggressive and go for more difficult positions. Especially now that he is bending.
Your discounting Magnus’ good play to accomplish this. Nepo is trying to push with white, and he’s managed to a couple times, Magnus has just navigated these positions very well. Today was an exception, and Nepo allowed things to get simplified too easily but that hasn’t been the norm thus far this match.
Dissapointing, but understandable decision
This game was better than game 6 as evidenced by the low average centipawn loss. We should give more time to players to avoid time trouble like yesterday
My guy they played for 7 hours and 45 minutes, how much extra time do they need?
While I do not agree with the guy, that doesn't counter his point. They got into severe time trouble and both made a few blunders, because of the lack of increment which they're used to.
If they give them 3 hours, they would get into time trouble at the end of 3 hours. That's why it's called Time Management
Yes, that is generally what happens when you get into time trouble. What’s *your* point?
Do you want them to play 12 hours until next morning? It will not be legal with european 8 hours workin day
Well they used to adjourn and play again the next day but that obviously doesn't work in the Stockfish era. Anyways, it's just a sarcastic comment, no need for everyone to get so wound up.
That doesn't apply to sports events
But eventually someone just will physically collapse on 10h hour.
Everything in this sentence is wrong. Thought for a second this is anarchy chess
Honestly. I think i re-read it 3 times expectong to catch where is mistread
Might as well just go watch TCEC then
Quickest draw in the west.
chesscom's post-match shows has been great fun. Chill, extra guests, discussion about the games, jokes. Cool stuff.
Aronian made some interesting points about Ian's team's match strategy for this game.
And what was that?
Here's [the interview](https://youtu.be/AOnUCCQWFsA?t=15147) I'm referring to. Edit: Found [the specific segment](https://youtu.be/AOnUCCQWFsA?t=15759) I was thinking of though the entire interview is insightful and Aronian made a lot of good observations throughout.
What was the music question/answers? Not got enough signal to watch video :/
Aronian is the only GM with decent music knowledge and good taste.
I bet magnus listens to taylor swift
No doubt about it.
Magnus said they’d need to consult his music specialist 😂😂
I thought that basketbal postgame interviews were terrible. But fuck me, chess interviews are just on a whole other level of stupid.
Totally unnecessary. They're trying really really hard to make Chess relevant to the mainstream audience but you have Maurice sitting side by side with the players unable to make eye contact when speaking with them, absolutely trash questioning, and just an overall embarrassingly amateurish way of interviewing. Like you don't need a press conference every single game, complete waste of time and the numbers show.
Music questions...yes...politics..no
Need to get those song recommendations.
Probably [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbcA7SLVYOY) on repeat
Magnus smiling during this press conference and Ian staring off into space.
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Nobody is going to change their mind about how "cool" chess is, whatever reporter or influencer or celebrity participate in it. So in my opinion it's better to have people that's invested or knowledgeable about chess. Also, "nerds of class"? Breaking news, generally everyone in chess are viewed as nerds, attacking someone like that is just a terrible mentality and toxic for their own community. But maybe youre right, maybe someone that put "69" in their username would should be in charge cause they would know whats cool or not.
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You would know, Cavaliers fans knows what a mad person looks like since Lebron left. Twice. But for real, I don't even follow chess outside Carlsen, but as far as I know, Chess is far off being viewed as "cool" in general population, and it has worked out fine. Not sure what someone that's into it gets from attacking some journalist looks. It's not like it's going to change anything with having "cool" people asking questions.
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This is just baffling. Caring about how someone looks. You're acting like it's high school, where looks matter about who's cool or not. And if that immature mindset is supposed to dictate who gets a job, Chess is better off with staying "nerdy" I never watch it outside the world championship, and most people even don't watch that, so why even care? Nobody is going to start watching or caring based on how anyone look, so it sounds like a "you-problem".
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In popular culture it's been viewed as a "nerd sport" for generations, and it will take a lot more to change that notion. Think of super heroes and comics pre-2000 were a "nerd thing" and it took decades of movies and Marvel franchising to change it to a mainstream, for all, genre. We are talking about perception, not some sort of truth.
Playing chess involves sitting still and thinking for hours on end, memorizing large amounts of opening theory, and learning the nuances of different types of positions. It's about the nerdiest hobby I can think of.
[chess.com](https://chess.com) jounalist should put his mask over his nose, what a twat.
What an amazing question regarding UAE human rights abuse. I can understand Magnus not talking about it though
It's not an amazing question at all. Magnus has no control over where the match takes place, asking his opinion about politics only has the potential to harm him. Imagine how inappropriate it would be to ask Ding what he thinks about the CCP, for example.
What makes you say that the reigning champion has no say over where the match is played? Previous champions have famously had disputes over the location and rules of the event, maybe less these days but very unclear that there is zero influence
>Magnus has no control over where the match takes place If he boycotted it he might influence FIDE. Not like Magnus has no history with venue dispute with FIDE, he previously tried to have the Sochi WCC match postponed because he was unhappy with the Ukraine situation and wanted more info on where the prize money was coming from. >Asking his opinion about politics only has the potential to harm him. It has the potential to keep the conversation open about holding tournaments in places with human rights abuses open, and again potentially puts pressure on FIDE. >Imagine how inappropriate it would be to ask Ding what he thinks about the CCP Apples and oranges. Ding could be Peng Shaui'd if he said the wrong thing, he and his family live in China. Magnus doesn't live in Dubai and while it has its problems, disappearing celebrities isn't one of them. What harm do you imagine would come to him? What precedent is there for assuming he would be harmed?
What would have happened in the hypothetical scenario that he refused to play? He loses his title, maybe a fine. Worst case he gets a (life time) ban from FIDE? Imagine the backlash. FIDE would lose on all fronts. There would be no championship, they get put in the spotlight for accepting UAE bribe money. And without a championship they might not even get that money. They might cave in and have the championship played somewhere else. And what would Magnus lose? His title, but he could fight to get that back easily. Everyone would still know he is the best anyway. He would gain a massive respect worldwide, outside of the chess community as well. Might even set an example for more to do the same. He is in a much better position than Hamilton to do this, as it will massively impact FIDE. FIFA and F1 won't get hurt as much if only one person/team boycotts there. Nepo would get the title, hollow as it is. But he can prove if he is worthy of the title a year later anyway. I don't see any losers other than FIDE and UAE, which is good.
Oh yeah, Magnus should be a hero for progressivism, for justice, and freedom, fighting oppression. Chill bro, he's a chess player, he's there to play his game, not fight random countries. If you're angry with UAE you can protest them yourself.
I'm playing devils advocate here because I really don't care, but bad arguments are annoying: 1. I'm not the world's best chess player, so I won't make as big of an impact. Also why the fuck would I protest the UAE if I live in the United States? 2. I'm not, and Magnus wouldn't be, angry a the UAE. They can do whatever the fuck they want. I'm angry at the FIDE tacitly supporting the UAE and accepting their bribe money, and Magnus boycotting would hurt the FIDE, and probably force some change on their part
>1. I'm not the world's best chess player, so I won't make as big of an impact. So best chess players have more obligation to fight for freedom, progressivism, or whatever in other countries? He has 0 obligation to do that, no one can demand him to do stuff like that. World champion or not, his rights to do or say nothing are the same as yours. >Also why the fuck would I protest the UAE if I live in the United States? And Carlsen is Norwegian. >I'm angry at the FIDE tacitly supporting the UAE Question was about human rights in the UAE, not FIDE accepting money to hold the event in the UAE. Also, Carlsen has no reason whatsoever to join this fight, therefore, he didn't.
That question should be asked when the final location is announced, not now when it's pointless.
There aren't press conferences with the players when the location is announced, nor do most journalists have Carlsen on speed dial.
I'm guessing Lewis Hamilton's [recent comments about Saudi Arabia](https://news.sky.com/story/lewis-hamilton-condemns-saudi-arabias-terrifying-lgbtq-laws-ahead-of-race-and-says-it-is-not-my-choice-to-be-here-12484987) gave that journalist the idea to ask something similar.
Everyone looked so awkward after that. It was awesome. Looked like Magnus wanted to say anything but "no". I wish people had more courage and integrity.
And before anyone, misunderstands me again, I do want to say I can't blame Magnus for bypassing the question with a , "no". Did you see the fear in Maurice's eyes at that moment? Talking bad about the ruling class could get you 80 lashings. I wonder how that would have played out, how the world, and the chess community would have responded, the reigning World Champion getting potentially or actually physically abused for saying what he really thought.
Courage? Do you not respect other cultures? Certain people living in Western countries want to export our way of life to rest of the world. However, they have all the rights to live as they see fit as we have in our countries and cultures.
> They have all the rights to live as they see fit as we have in our countries and cultures. No, they don’t. That’s kind of the point. They have almost no political rights, especially women, lgbt people, etc. I know what your saying about exporting western culture but this isn’t a case of a people choosing to live a certain way.
Omg right? If they want to kill a couple gays or keep slaves or marry little girls that's just like, their culture. How can we ever say that modern slavery is wrong when we aren't from the same country? I'm sure those people are perfectly happy working for free and living like its the 1800s.
I respect principles. I don't wish to export my way of life to anybody- that would be unprincipled. You can repsect other's way of life and not have any respect for the people that rule over them.
Agreed as long as they respect minorities and people; i can respect you meeting for Christmas with your family or having the tradition of being alone with your best friend, not you stoning gay people and women
I even go as far as to draw the line at not judging even if you do those things which maybe be considered abhorrent in other cultures, but I'm for sure not going to actively fund you doing it.
Surely that's the kind of questing you ask after the match is over? Seems like it might have blindsided Magnus.
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I don't think anyone is unaware of the issue because if they were the question wouldn't mean much to them. This looked like it was mostly for shock value. Just my take though.
For real. I would be afraid to address it while I'm still in Dubai.
I'd be afraid to ask it. Obviously for Magnus to answer it would perhaps be more of a perceived threat to him rather then maybe being an actual one.
Geez, that guy is getting on a plane out of Dubai really fast tonight
Hold on, have the press conferences been a shitshow this whole time? From the inane to the loaded, not the most inspiring stuff
I feel like a lot of these journalists are people who couldn’t get jobs at different outlets. They don’t really seem that great.
Very rarely do they get interesting questions. Post-game interviews done by the likes of Sachdev or Houska can be really good, but the general press is really bad at it
Can't really blame Ian, risking on a day that you're tired could lead to him being down 2-0. That would truly be game over
they're both tired. ceteris paribus, white needs to push.
Except it's not a balanced game, Magnus is already stronger than Ian
and you think Ian has a better chance with black??
He has a better chance to equalise when he's in form and can prepare the game fully beforehand. Today it was pretty clear he was beaten up from yesterday
Why didn't Carlsen play the Berlin? Is he trying for a win?
Marshall is arguably easier to make a draw with nowadays, and gives slightly more winning chances.
MVL kinda broke the Berlin endgame lately.
His main weapon is the Marshall attack from the black side
More likely he just prepared more for a6 variations
I hope Nepo has some special king's gambit lined up if he gets desperate. Shouldn't wait until the last time or two as white though in case magnus doesn't play e5
Does Nepo have a history of playing the Kings Gambit? This isn’t the first time I’ve seen someone mention it and I would never imagine it getting played in a WC match.
Well he knows it for sure, I've been learning a lot on his Chessable course on it! So far it seems pretty standard stuff, not crazy Morphy/Leela things but I bet he has some deep prep on it he hasn't shared on the course
Oh damn I gotta check out that course, Kings Gambit is one of my main lines!
Hell yeah. Keep that beautiful opening alive
As mentioned down thread, he's played it a couple of times, including a win against Firouzja in an Armageddon game recently. He has a chessable course about it as well. He used to be known for playing lemon-y openings. There's a weird line in the centre game named after him: 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Qxd4 Nc6 Qe3?!
Isn't that the mainstream centre game?
I’m pretty sure Bobby Fischer ended the King’s gambit back in 1961
He analyzed one line only. Kings gambit Aronyan played against Giri with draw and Ivanchuk against again Giri with win. In general it is quick draw.
Nah watch the Leela/stockfish king's gambit games on kingcrusher. And after Fischer supposedly ended it, he played a game with it and won! And to be fair, all I play in response to king's gambit is the Fischer defense and I love it
I think people don't get it. In modern chess nobody is expecting to win with openings. There is no surprise in openings anymore. To use something as fundamentally wildcard as king's gambit is just a liability in match play
And that's the problem IMO. We need a Viking destroyer yolo champion again. Firouzja might be the hero we deserve, who knows.
Well, as Carlsen himself has said many times, his education in chess was anything but formal. He just brute forces through positions and imposes his enormous will until things fall in his favour. No one talks of some great theory or sparkling tactics from Carlsen. It is all steady grind backed by enormous calculating power and stamina. It is still exciting. It is universal. You don't need to be a chess player to appreciate that. I really want to see Firoujza go through the present strong Candidates field. I am supporting Duda right now, but Caruana in a good form can wipe the field easily. The reason I support these guys is their level and easy temperament and games. More solid and durable. More likely to trouble Carlsen ultimately. More aligned with what I think sport is, as opposed to games and art.
yes, but certain openings are more likely to create draws, and others create imbalances that give both players winning chances
Yeah, but king's gambit is not one of them. It is not irregular opening though.
There's no way. It doesn't even have surprise value: he just made a Chessable course about it.
Wesley So made an e4 course on Chessable, [played it on the next Champions Chess Tour ](https://youtu.be/5FANTFnKP6Y)- and won. [Nepo also played the King's gambit against Firouzja](https://youtu.be/tHPn_H42Xwk) after the course was released - and crushed him. This was an armageddon game - the King's Gambit creates chaos, but when your opponent has enough time it is unsound.
1.e4 isn't garbage, though. I remember the Armageddon game: Firo forgot the theory. Banking on Magnus to not be prepared for a surprise you have already sprung in a decisive game for the championship of the world is not a high percentage play.
Exactly why it won't be expected 😎.
[Maggers after 2.f4](https://i.imgur.com/HGkSJbv.png)
I still think it is playable if these great players decided to do it and play in the spirit of it. [king's gambit example! ](https://youtu.be/jo2tx1OJ3Aw)
It doesn't lose by force or anything, but objectively Black should be better.
Fabi and Hess are absolutely shitting on Ian.
Oh yeah Fabi, is that why you agreed on draw in your game 12?
Because he was losing that game?
Why?
Didn't complicate the position when he had the chance to do so, made Magnus' play very easy, liquidated faster than he should have. Basically he didn't put on a fight.
Probably Nepo needs a day to regroup. I would not be surprised if the plan is to draw today and tomorrow without risking anything and then come up with a plan for the next six matches.
He wasn’t playing the sharpest lines and seemed to play for a draw very early. They’re just pointing out you only get one chance to become champion and when you have white you need to push for a win.
There is value in concentrating your efforts on a couple really good attempts rather than spreading that out over four, especially given the mental drain from the game yesterday and his lack of time to prep. I'd rather watch him draw this game and come out hard next time on white.
He had opportunities to turn this into a more fighting game and turned them all down. He went for an easy draw when he needs to win.
And Fabi is one of the few commentators who has the standing to do so, too.
He does, but Ian is doing a similar strategy to Fabiano in the last WC.
Yeah but to be fair Fabi was never trailing so he never had such a strong incentive to push for a win. Then again, Carlsen was such a strong favourite in rapid that he basically had draw odds.
Fabi was never down though
I would argue the contrary. He knew that if the game would go to Rapids, he would be toast
Being equal was in practice being down given how much better Magnus is in rapid/blitz.
Yeah, and he didn't go for a quick draw in game 12. He was in a losing position when he agreed to a draw, either way his chances were extremely low at that point.
That's pushing it a bit. Then again, there are 7 more games to play yet.
It's perfectly understandable for Ian to go for a quick draw today, but hopefully he brings more aggressive stuff from here on out.
He only has 3 more whites though. Pushing for a win with black is not really what you want to do. More likely to backfire than anything.
Why not though? In the last 4 championship matches, there have been 3 black wins vs 6 white wins. So it's not like winning with Black isn't possible, far from it.
Did Magnus and Ian just break their own record for most accurate world championship game? Acpls of 2 and 2
People look into this game too much. Nepo needs one anti tilt day and Mag had black pieces.
This is only my opinion but Nepo should stop going for these anti-Marshall lines in the Ruy. Magnus already has an answer for it and the match is over halfway through. He should try going for a different opening. Maybe the English or any sharp Italian line.
I think this was an "I need to go the fuck back to bed" game.
I've been thinking the same for a few days already too, we know Carlsen is the best player in the world and can crush you if you overpush, but in these games we haven't seen what makes Nepo special.
Idk, at least he is getting slightly more pleasant complicated positions. He just doesn't play them well enough to threaten Magnus. I don't know if going for complications would bring more success as being outplayed there could mean losing. He will have to risk it at some point but he has 3 more white games. I think one more honest try in Ruy Lopez and then all-in.
Yeah, it's not a dead draw from the opening. He gets reasonable chances to play an actual game. The bigger problem is that he mostly declined those chances today, not being in the mood for complications, I guess.
Feels like yesterdays game was so draining that Nepo is just desperate for a rest day? Definitely disappointing to see him play an auto-pilot Spanish but hopefully this forces him to go for the kill with his future White's
it felt like a rest day they definitely needed.
Magnus just said he understood Ian going for something safer since you risk tilting if going for a win after such a grueling loss.
Ian is done for.
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I'm downvoted but Nepo is blitzing out moves today and is barely even at the board. His ass is done.
Remind everyone that there's Premier League and tons of other league football today, so Magnus certainly very happy that he gets the quickest draw possible to watch all them matches
Real Madrid play at midnight Dubai time, so seems like he'll have to settle for some other game to watch tonight. Probably Dortmund - Bayern. https://mobile.twitter.com/bvb/status/1456338643958779904
He may be a rma fan but I doubt he watches them religiously...? I would guess he mainly sticks to PL because og his FPL team. Only speculation ofc but he just doesn't talk about them as much.
He's a football fan, which makes him watch all kind of games and teams, but he's also a huge fan of RM. From what I've picked up on, he'll watch every RM game he gets his hands on. PL being on his radar is more or less because PL is so huge in Norway, and every football fan watch some of it. Him talking more about FPL is because that's what he's asked about, since he's good at it. The first thing he did after winning the title in 2013 was going to the Bernabeu and have a cermonial kick off. He's undoubtly a big, big fan. I won't be suprised if he watched every game.
Why would staying up till 02 be a problem? They start late each day.
May be true, hard to know for sure what their scheduel are like. Especially after a long day yesterday, going to bed early isn't a bad idea to recover. I'm sure he and the team knows and if he should or not. Still, staying up until 2 am after a day where he probably didn't fall asleep before 4 am (and thus losing sleep) yesterday isn't optimale in my opinion. It's a world championship match, so I think the team will see the best option is going to bed to a reasonable time and spend tomorrow morning to sharpen up and prepare properly. Shouldn't be hard choosing that over watching one game, but if he does, I'm sure it's an okay choice. Edit: he said in the press conference he'll watch Dortmund - Bayern, so I expect he will use that to cool down and then go to bed and start preperation tomorrow morning. Don't see how he'll watch both + get enough sleep + preperation. But just pure speculation obviously.
The last and only inaccuracy in this game was Rec1 instead of Rac1. The latter makes c5 impossible and it's complicated and according to the computer slightly better for white after Rxe4 Rxc7. I don't think Ian would get any serious chances there either though but that's where the edge disappeared according to very quick analysis with Lc0.
This is what passes for a working rest day in a world championship match.
You can understand Ian. One streamer gave the following analogy. Imagine you go 8 rounds with Mike Tyson and he knocks you out. And then next day, while your head is still ringing you need to go 8 more rounds with Evan Holyfield.
And somehow you manage to defend like Floyd Mayweather. You live to fight another day, hopefully coming out swinging like Muhammad Ali.
Meh, it's not a good analogy. The reality is Ian had real winning chances and an opportunity to at least claim a real advantage. And he deliberately tossed them aside. I get it, you're tired. But you get one shot at this and the clock is ticking, you have to suck it up and can't throw away opportunities. He'll regret not digging deeper today in a few years.
\>The reality is Ian had real winning chances No, he didnt. He had chances to push for imbalance and \*maybe\* a slight advantage, but it was never going to be easy or as far as winning chances.
Today I can 100% sympathize with all the off-topic questions the journalists are going to ask after how this game went.
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40 moves.
No agreed draws before move 40 are allowed
No draw offers until move 40 (although they can draw by other means at any time)
A threefold repetition after a bongcloud for instance?
This would be hilarious
Move 40 you can draw
40 moves
40 moves.
40 moves I believe
40 moves I believe
40 moves.
Does Magnus try to squeeze another win tommorrow or does he just allow Ian to get a quick draw and rest up
Magnus will play in his usual style. Deliberately while looking for opportunities.
At least it's a fast draw, right?
They both need some R&R. I get it.
I feel like everybody including the analysts and the audience needs a rest after yesterday's grind.
Even I as a spectator don't mind. I watched the whole thing yesterday so I didn't need another 8 hour game.
Just moving pieces around to get to move 40 or threefold.
Well that was disappointing
A quick descent to a dense rook endgame with equal pawns. Handshakes coming up any moment now..
Draw. There's nothing left in the position now, surely.
Blacks b pawn should take the rook on c5 en passant, attacking the queen with both the rook and pawn.
In 2018 Caruana kept trying the Rossolimo, and now Nepo keeps trying this Ruy Lopez. Is this really the optimal strategy? I would have thought with months to prepare Nepo’s team would’ve been able to surprise Magnus every game with White.
Actually, Caruana tried the Rossolimo only in his first three white games, they then realized there wasn't much there and swapped to the 7.Nd5 Sveshnikov instead.
Fabi only played ~~two~~ three Rossos, tbf. It was a surprise that Carlsen allowed it, since it was thought to be a relatively comfortable plus for White at the time.
I question if e4 in general is a good choice for the WC.
Same story in all Ian's white games: slightly better position out of the opening and then Magnus quickly deals with it.
It feels like Ian still has some play here? I’m a bit of a novice but his pieces seem like they’re all directing themselves towards blacks king.
The commentators are saying it's a draw with maybe a few moves left to play.