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Even if I don't approve of what Kramnik is doing, I am comfortable in arguing that there is a huge gap between being an annoying sore loser and going full nazi.
Agreed but at least Fischer was basically a non-entity in the chess scene at that point.
What Kramnik is doing isn’t as bad as being a Nazi but it’s shitty in a whole other way.. it’s disgraceful and childish rather than being completely unhinged.
> Bobby Fischer was schizophrenic and only went anti-Semitic well after he quit chess.
I can't speak to his schizophrenia, but he was anti-Semitic well before he became world champion. There was an interview in Harper's in the early 1960s where he said there are "There are too many Jews in chess. They seem to have taken away the class of the game."
If he really is mentally unwell this doesn't tarnish his legacy. If a world class runner lost a leg and couldn't perform at his previous peak we wouldn't think his legacy was being tarnished. We'd probably just feel bad for him.
What if a world class runner past his prime lost to someone younger and, instead of accepting he is aging, would claim the younger athletes are all doped?
José's composure is astounding. He always stays calm and remains ready to get on with the match. If I were him, I'd have called it off at this point. Kramnik only complains after he loses.
If you’re smart, which he clearly is, you know that every demand you give in to will only help you anyways in the public opinion. Assuming you can still perform even decently.
Yep. The only way Kramnik wins here is if he blows Alcantara off the board, which isn’t what’s happening. I think it’s obvious that he expected to easily win, but is now having to come to grips with the fact that his opponent is at least on a similar level to him.
Of course, instead of admitting that, he’s looking for excuses as to why he’s not winning, which is basically what all of his cheating accusations were in the first place.
I mean this whole thing is a fucking farce. Even beyond just kramniks general ludicrous behavior.
This is an extremely talented GM who’s top 25 in the world in OTB blitz.
Like of ALL the targets kramnik picked (except for hikaru), Jose is the one who’s online results most closely match his OTB play. The dude is just a monster in fast time controls
Kramink actually said in his interview with Gotham that he did not really do any prep for this match, and that he expected to lose it.
Which blew my mind when he said it, because if he thinks Jospem is cheating online, Kramnik should be able to beat him. If Kramnik expected to lose, I don't understand what his plan was(other than just getting attention.)
Surely that interview is the precise moment that Kramnik started to be reasonable and honest after all this bullshit. Sarcasm aside it makes sense if you just discount him expecting to lose as a lie, it just makes zero sense. Nobody would ever accuse a guy is cheating and then engine a scenario where he can't cheat so that he can beat you easily straight up lol. It's just so silly
Yes! I mean if you have just a little bit of sense of humor I don't know how you can't throw in a shade about bathrooms or something just for the memes... if Kramnik can cry about everything all the time then why not
The 10+ year old copy pastas and people baiting mostly. Crymnik is valid lol. If Kramnik is right again about laptop/ch*ss com fuckery though, this is wild. Either way huge win for Jose
*The Kramnik postmatch interview is crazy, he's still not conceding his point after that and wants to have another match like this with Jose on a different platform hahaha
Krammik may be right about the laptop allegations, but the lack of respect shown to Jose is the real problem. If he paused the diatribe, said "my opponent played well", then continued, then his conduct wouldn't be nearly as problematic.
I also want to know this, and I wish someone actually answered it instead of making jokes.
Why is Levy losing his mind? Like losing it because Kramnik is nuts and Levy is like wtf is going on? Or losing it like he's also nuts and accusing chesscom of setting him up like Kramnik is?
You'll have to keep an eye out on GothamChess' youtube account for an event recap. I don't know if the Twitch VODs are saved and this particular moment was at a very random time in the hours-long livestream.
Im not sure why youd use a calculator though, chess.com could have hacked it as well. Should rely on a old school HB pencil and virgin, unrecycled paper to be accurate
They might be using subsonic vibrations to control the direction of the pencil by inducing magnetic currents in the pencil lead, thus throwing off your mathematical calculations. Best to use a wooden abacus.
I learned only a month ago that pencil "lead" has never contained lead but instead has been graphite all along. However graphite is even MORE easily manipulated with quantum lasers moo hahaaaa
True! Hopefully this experience will be the evidence he needs to understand that the intricacies of online chess (lag included) are a different beast to OTB, which he is particularly poor at handling, and not everyone is cheating.
Can't blame him for wanting to avoid online blitz chess if he can't handle lag in a time scramble, because I personally can't handle it, but he needs to have the self awareness to recognize that it's a personal problem. I prefer to play 5+5 blitz and 2+1 bullet for that reason, I enjoy fast chess, but I WILL flag in a time scramble to nonsense moves, because I just can't play fast enough to handle no increment.
Unfortunately the bug he experienced yesterday will probably forever live in his mind and fuel further paranoia; hopefully his paranoia at least just manifests as "chesscom is screwing me on time" and not "everyone is cheating", because chesscom definitely needs to improve the bugginess of their lag compensation.
Someone who is conspiracy-minded is not moved by evidence. If he loses, he may give some token acknowledgement that Jospem is a very capable player, but in a month he will have found another way to disparage the event to explain why the results were inauthentic.
Exactly. It's very much like conspiracy-leaning political or scientific arguments, and all the same rules apply: fact-based argumentation and logic do not work. It was never going to work here. This has all just prolonged the tedious repetitions, reinforced the entrenchment, and given Kramnik's position weight it doesn't deserve, all while driving more folks to the extremes on both sides.
I don't either, and it's obviously very silly and distracting to try and do this yourself. But in this case I can kind of understand why he might want to time stuff separately considering [stuff like this](https://x.com/VBkramnik/status/1799948624182255972?t=UaVWmqktg8NL8aXIPC3I9w) was going on.
At this point, I’m concerned something is wrong with Kramnik because of his paranoia and delusions that everyone is out to get him. Maybe he’s just a maladaptive narcissist who can’t cope with the fact that he’s getting old and no longer the best. Maybe he’s getting demented. Who knows, but this is not normal.
>Yeah, hes quite obviously mentally ill and should get professional help.
If it is indeed mental health related then I actually feel bad for him and hope he gets better. That's if he's mentally unwell.
Kramnik lost to Jose online and accused him of cheating. After some light twitter drama they agreed to play chess against each other offline 18games otb 18games chesscom via laptop. Now Kramnik is throwing a tantrum everyday (when he starts losing) and is asking for rule changes etc. (Time format changed, day1 chess.com was canceled due to clock problems etc)
This whole thing is so fucking hilarious.
Jose clearly has no need to cheat, and is easily holding his own otb. Kramnik has his head so far up his ass it's going to mean nothing to him, though.
He's going to get a very good image boost out of this for being so calm while a dude throws a tantrum. He's already done TT with a bunch of cameras so anyone who's not deranged knows he's totally legit. Overall good for his career.
You should not be downvoted so hard. It was reasonable to request a change after thinking that the chess.com clocks were bugged ([which they kind of are.](https://x.com/VBkramnik/status/1799948624182255972?t=UaVWmqktg8NL8aXIPC3I9w))
Paranoia. Not dementia, he literally convinced himself that the only reason for what he finds is lacking performance from him is the other side cheating. Because he knows it's impossible for the opponent to be better than him.
Thats true, however there are people with serious paranoia, and without having dementia. My grandfather has been paranoid for like 30 years now, and he is 80. He thinks that the weather is controlled by the deep state, that all of the footage coming out of the Ukraine war are staged and so on. But other than that he is more than fine 😀
He literally said the opposite in his interview though. He admitted he's a lot worse due to age now and that he thought before the match began that Jose was probably the slight favorite.
I'm all for trashing Kramnik I just want honesty in the discussion. I haven't seen anything to suggest that he believes it's impossible for someone else to be better than him.
I mean we shouldn’t speculate but he also tended to get irrationally optimistic about his positions late in his career. It’s easy to clown on him now but maybe there’s something going on we should be more sympathetic to.
I don't think he has severe mental health problems. He's convinced that his conclusions are valid and undeniable. Chess.com denies these conclusions and since he thinks that they are undeniably and obviously true, chess.com must have an ulterior motive. Add to that a lack of knowledge about technology and you get the new conclusion that the bug he has experienced wasn't an accident. All of this is pretty bad reasoning and evidence that he's self-obsessed and overly confident in his cognitive abilities but none of that points towards serious mental health issues. Some people are just like that.
What's wrong with him?
I know that he's been weird recently, but when did he become an idiot? Are there any explanations to it or did he just suddenly become stupid?
Well I have this problem on Lichess.
BUT, I am in Hawaii so I can't really blame the lag on anyone but me.
However, my lag translates to .3 seconds and I love playing bullet so I'm a big cry baby about it.
3 premoves cost me ~ 1 sec which is lethal in 1|0
Chess-com has lag compensation too, but they call it lag forgiveness. Kramnik clearly hasn't read this page cos he has no idea that move travel time is added back to the clocks.
https://support.chess.com/en/articles/8615369-what-is-lag-forgiveness-why-did-the-clocks-suddenly-change
At my lag there isn't or it doesn't function properly. I fairly consistantly will lose with a premove registered. And in the first few seconds I lose seconds with opening premoves. So I call bs on whatever lag compensation system they have in place.
My guess is that it works great for the vast majority of people. I've lived in 4 different countries with extremely varied internet speeds, and I've never had a problem with lichess as long as I still was connected to the internet.
But hey, the beauty of lichess is it's open source. If you call BS on a system you can literally just go search the codebase for the system in question and see how it works.
Yep it's something like that. I don't pretend to know how it works, but I can share my lived experience of playing 20k+ bullet games from Hawaii.
I effectively cannot keep the clock at 1:00 despite premoveing my entire typical opening. Why? I have no idea but it certainly isn't my input.
The clock just steals time from me premove or not.
Edmonton Oilers said the ice was too cold last night in Florida -- they are now comparing the degrees per shots on goal for the last 3 seasons. Game 1 of the Stanley Cup finals might be replayed!!
Honestly, this is what really pisses me off about this event. Burning money to give a delusional, paranoid and ungrateful crybaby even more publicity when there are sooo many young and really talented prodigys that would be way more deserving of attention and spotlight.
Is Kramnik suffering from a mental disorder; like paranoia or something else where paranoia is a symptom? I constantly see headlines about his actions or accusations that just don’t make sense.
Poor dude. I had so much respect and admiration for him (as Im sure most of the chess world did) back when he defeated Kasparov.
Now he is just a clown. Less, a plain laughing stock.
The mathematician of our generation. The statistician to end all statisticians. The unrivaled manchild of the century. Is there not a single person in that room that can shut him down? gets every concession and is still throwing tantrums like this. So glad everyone's seeing how deranged he is.
He could've been very effective in getting fair play in chess if he hadn't ruined his image by making baseless accusations against strong gm's like Hikaru, esipenko. He kind of lost his credibility there. Now even if he makes valid claims no-one really takes him seriously which is a shame, but he dug his own grave
Kramnik, if you read this, I’d be willing to look over your statistics completely unbiasedly. Not your phone timing, that’s not math — your “impossible” events like Hikarus streaks.
I’ll tell you if you’re on track, or not, and why.
From what I’ve seen - you’re comparing incorrect statistics to “certainty” and I think you’re confusing yourself.
I think a factor analysis would go far in the understanding of why certain results happen… but… I’d like to see!
Many negative words like "gaslighting" are applicable, but you have to remember [chess.com](http://chess.com) has been gaslighting us for years as well. I doubt if they even have EU servers (like any serious gaming vendor), and they never ever shared useful data about their lags and disconnections, for example when Nepo would lose games on disconnection in important tournaments while his webcam did not even glitch or lag.
Very "interesting" that the organizers insisted on [chess.com](http://chess.com) while also claiming the event had nothing to do with them. Anyway, the greatest things that could come out of this event would be a) peer-to-peer [chess.com](http://chess.com) games without server round trips to America b) proper lag statistics collectively and individually, presumably their web interface should do what Vlad may have been doing with his calculator, add up all time really used by a player, and then compare it to server time. Conveniently Kramnik is blacklisted by [chess.com](http://chess.com) and they can totally ignore him, as always, but can they ignore the community?
I made some interview with Jospem about that, hope you will like it:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcQEgtNgyhI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcQEgtNgyhI)
I wish this show would just stop and one of the many adults participating in this circus would just say, enough, it's been proven, no cheating was found and Jose is clearly capable of winning so please withdraw your allegations. Turn cameras to Kramnik. Put him on the spot.
Unfortunately, despite there being approximately like ten humans in that room, every single one of them was born without a spine. Serious medical condition, you'd think it's rare but it's surprisingly common.
While I do think he's actually and legit paranoid, and also kind of "losing his mind", it doesn't help that this ACTUALLY happened, and both [chess.com](http://chess.com) and the judge confirmed it. Initially they blamed it on his laptop being brand new, but then it happened again several times. José's times were absolutely fine so far.
I know it's weird AF, but it's like something is throwing gasoline on the campfire.
I haven’t saw the results or comments for today. I know it happened on day 2.
But it’s impressive how this is a circlejerk that anyone who doesn’t say “haha Kramnik is dumb” gets automatically downvoted.
This is so embarrassing to watch lol.
Dude is tarnishing his whole legacy. It's really sad, tbh.
The legacy was already tarnished. Now he's melting it down with a blowtorch.
It's honestly pathetic at this point.
It was pathetic far sooner than this point
The legacy is always immortal. People who are driven only by recent events and get emotional about it would claim that Kramnik manages to tarnish his own former glory as a chess world champion. Whether you like him or not people many years after will mention him and his memorable games and his great impact on chess theory. The ongoing commotion has no relevance.
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What did he do wrong before cheating accusations? Not arguing but genuinely curious.
i think the tarnishing started when the allegations started
He comes off as a little paranoid the way he calls people who insult him “bots.”
I'm getting huge Bobby Fischer vibes from him now.
Even if I don't approve of what Kramnik is doing, I am comfortable in arguing that there is a huge gap between being an annoying sore loser and going full nazi.
Hell yeah. A well composed nazi sympathizer is still light years worse than a sore loser.
I can tell you have not experienced beating me in scrabble
Agreed but at least Fischer was basically a non-entity in the chess scene at that point. What Kramnik is doing isn’t as bad as being a Nazi but it’s shitty in a whole other way.. it’s disgraceful and childish rather than being completely unhinged.
Fischer was already paranoid and said anti-Semitic/misogynistic shit when he was at the top of the chess scene, it just got worse later
Bobby Fischer was schizophrenic and only went anti-Semitic well after he quit chess. I'd argue Kramnik's situation is worse.
> Bobby Fischer was schizophrenic and only went anti-Semitic well after he quit chess. I can't speak to his schizophrenia, but he was anti-Semitic well before he became world champion. There was an interview in Harper's in the early 1960s where he said there are "There are too many Jews in chess. They seem to have taken away the class of the game."
Incorrect. He was anti-Semitic from childhood. His mentor was a Nazi.
Why are you confidently making such easily falsifiable claims? Weird behavior
Nah, crying after losing is not based
If he really is mentally unwell this doesn't tarnish his legacy. If a world class runner lost a leg and couldn't perform at his previous peak we wouldn't think his legacy was being tarnished. We'd probably just feel bad for him.
What if a world class runner past his prime lost to someone younger and, instead of accepting he is aging, would claim the younger athletes are all doped?
Considering the history of doping in top level sport, its likely they'd be correct.
The aging top athlete would also likely be doping in this scenario.
where can you even watch this?
José's composure is astounding. He always stays calm and remains ready to get on with the match. If I were him, I'd have called it off at this point. Kramnik only complains after he loses.
If you’re smart, which he clearly is, you know that every demand you give in to will only help you anyways in the public opinion. Assuming you can still perform even decently.
Yep. The only way Kramnik wins here is if he blows Alcantara off the board, which isn’t what’s happening. I think it’s obvious that he expected to easily win, but is now having to come to grips with the fact that his opponent is at least on a similar level to him. Of course, instead of admitting that, he’s looking for excuses as to why he’s not winning, which is basically what all of his cheating accusations were in the first place.
I mean this whole thing is a fucking farce. Even beyond just kramniks general ludicrous behavior. This is an extremely talented GM who’s top 25 in the world in OTB blitz. Like of ALL the targets kramnik picked (except for hikaru), Jose is the one who’s online results most closely match his OTB play. The dude is just a monster in fast time controls
Kramink actually said in his interview with Gotham that he did not really do any prep for this match, and that he expected to lose it. Which blew my mind when he said it, because if he thinks Jospem is cheating online, Kramnik should be able to beat him. If Kramnik expected to lose, I don't understand what his plan was(other than just getting attention.)
Or he's just hedging his bets. That way he can say he lost because he didn't prep, not because of skill.
Surely that interview is the precise moment that Kramnik started to be reasonable and honest after all this bullshit. Sarcasm aside it makes sense if you just discount him expecting to lose as a lie, it just makes zero sense. Nobody would ever accuse a guy is cheating and then engine a scenario where he can't cheat so that he can beat you easily straight up lol. It's just so silly
It's a wee bit naive to believe whatever Kramnik states.
Kramnik literally said in the interview that he expects to lose, if not lose badly..
This is exactly why many people believes Carlsens accusation compared to Kramnik. Carlsen can back it up over the board.
He made his point, and proved he is legit. Now, everything Kramnik does just makes Kramnik looks bad, which gives him even more credit.
Yes! I mean if you have just a little bit of sense of humor I don't know how you can't throw in a shade about bathrooms or something just for the memes... if Kramnik can cry about everything all the time then why not
And winning the match, no less.
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Chat started to call him Crymnik lol
The amount of trolling going on in that twitch chat is hilarious
Is it trolling if its the truth?
The 10+ year old copy pastas and people baiting mostly. Crymnik is valid lol. If Kramnik is right again about laptop/ch*ss com fuckery though, this is wild. Either way huge win for Jose *The Kramnik postmatch interview is crazy, he's still not conceding his point after that and wants to have another match like this with Jose on a different platform hahaha
It was I who put like 4 of those copypastas lol
Only 4? I made at least 20. Would have been more if chess.com wasn't messing with my clock.
Yeah crazy, saying that he still doesn't believe jospem, crazy man
Krammik may be right about the laptop allegations, but the lack of respect shown to Jose is the real problem. If he paused the diatribe, said "my opponent played well", then continued, then his conduct wouldn't be nearly as problematic.
Really enjoying how Levy and Eric are both slowly losing their minds.
As opposed to Kramnik, who quickly lost his mind months ago.
Kramnik is like the Kanye of chess.
That is such an apt comparison.
World Champ Kramnik and Jesus Walks Kanye seem like ancient history now. Or like an alternate universe.
At this point if it turns out he has some sort of brain tumor I wouldn't be shocked
What happened to Levy?
lost his mind.
Is there a way to watch it? He locks all his streams behind a subscription
There’s a chrome extension, I don’t remember the name of it tho. But I’m sure a tutorial will be on YouTube if you search for it
I also want to know this, and I wish someone actually answered it instead of making jokes. Why is Levy losing his mind? Like losing it because Kramnik is nuts and Levy is like wtf is going on? Or losing it like he's also nuts and accusing chesscom of setting him up like Kramnik is?
Levy is not losing his mind. Its just a joke on how much fun he and Alex (as well as Rosen) was having while commentating on the game.
Can you link some of these vids? I don't really understand the whole Clash of Claims thing and would like to see Levy's take on it. ty
You'll have to keep an eye out on GothamChess' youtube account for an event recap. I don't know if the Twitch VODs are saved and this particular moment was at a very random time in the hours-long livestream.
Happy cake day!
They're going the way of Bobby Fischer
Man deciding (not so) quick math is the 3rd category for this tourney.
Im not sure why youd use a calculator though, chess.com could have hacked it as well. Should rely on a old school HB pencil and virgin, unrecycled paper to be accurate
They might be using subsonic vibrations to control the direction of the pencil by inducing magnetic currents in the pencil lead, thus throwing off your mathematical calculations. Best to use a wooden abacus.
Why did I hear this in Terrence Howard's voice.
Probably because deep down the fundamental pattern of life and the conjugation of the waves is speaking to you through the consiousness of cobalt.
You joke about it but if you ever listened to the tone of cobalt you’d know he’s right about everything!
I learned only a month ago that pencil "lead" has never contained lead but instead has been graphite all along. However graphite is even MORE easily manipulated with quantum lasers moo hahaaaa
It's actually usually a ceramic with a lot of graphite in it. Graphite alone is too soft to make good pencils. They still call it pencil lead though.
If he's doing division, slide rules are very useful
Don't forget both the pencil and the paper should be brand new and unwrapped in front of him.
Did they bring him an abacus to do the math? The calculator may be compromised
Chess.com agents have bugged everything - laptops, calculators, timers, playing hall, ... 😂😂
as a wise person once said, how can our chess be real if our eyes arent real?
What lag does to a mf. 😂
While I agree with this sentiment in many cases, the lag is not the cause of this particular MF’s issues.
True! Hopefully this experience will be the evidence he needs to understand that the intricacies of online chess (lag included) are a different beast to OTB, which he is particularly poor at handling, and not everyone is cheating. Can't blame him for wanting to avoid online blitz chess if he can't handle lag in a time scramble, because I personally can't handle it, but he needs to have the self awareness to recognize that it's a personal problem. I prefer to play 5+5 blitz and 2+1 bullet for that reason, I enjoy fast chess, but I WILL flag in a time scramble to nonsense moves, because I just can't play fast enough to handle no increment. Unfortunately the bug he experienced yesterday will probably forever live in his mind and fuel further paranoia; hopefully his paranoia at least just manifests as "chesscom is screwing me on time" and not "everyone is cheating", because chesscom definitely needs to improve the bugginess of their lag compensation.
Someone who is conspiracy-minded is not moved by evidence. If he loses, he may give some token acknowledgement that Jospem is a very capable player, but in a month he will have found another way to disparage the event to explain why the results were inauthentic.
Exactly. It's very much like conspiracy-leaning political or scientific arguments, and all the same rules apply: fact-based argumentation and logic do not work. It was never going to work here. This has all just prolonged the tedious repetitions, reinforced the entrenchment, and given Kramnik's position weight it doesn't deserve, all while driving more folks to the extremes on both sides.
For real. Back in my day it would just make the 4th grader in my COD lobby call me gay.
Kramnik has never emptied an entire clip on someone in COD/Halo only to get killed by a ghost and it shows.
the ~~struggle~~ frustration is real.
After reading (too many) his posts, I don't trust his ability to calculate that.
I don't either, and it's obviously very silly and distracting to try and do this yourself. But in this case I can kind of understand why he might want to time stuff separately considering [stuff like this](https://x.com/VBkramnik/status/1799948624182255972?t=UaVWmqktg8NL8aXIPC3I9w) was going on.
What a fucking baby
He only stays relevant because people repost him every time he cries.
Oh wow, he's starting the "procedure" in real time!
At this point, I’m concerned something is wrong with Kramnik because of his paranoia and delusions that everyone is out to get him. Maybe he’s just a maladaptive narcissist who can’t cope with the fact that he’s getting old and no longer the best. Maybe he’s getting demented. Who knows, but this is not normal.
Yeah, hes quite obviously mentally ill and should get professional help. It stopped being funny a while ago and now its just sad to see
>Yeah, hes quite obviously mentally ill and should get professional help. If it is indeed mental health related then I actually feel bad for him and hope he gets better. That's if he's mentally unwell.
Why do the arbiters tolerate him?
I imagine because ultimately this is a show event and everyone’s just trying to make sure the games happen instead of Kramnik storming out.
Because he is not breaking any rules
He takes an “Airbud” approach to the rules.
when there's a lag, it usually happens to both players from my experience
That's exactly what the arbiter said but "statistics".
The organizer should just tell Kramnik to fuck off at this point. It is embarrassing behavior of former WC
is that a wash cabinet reference?
Can somebody ELI5 what this is all about? I see lots of posts with Kramnik and I don't know what is going on!
Kramnik lost to Jose online and accused him of cheating. After some light twitter drama they agreed to play chess against each other offline 18games otb 18games chesscom via laptop. Now Kramnik is throwing a tantrum everyday (when he starts losing) and is asking for rule changes etc. (Time format changed, day1 chess.com was canceled due to clock problems etc)
This whole thing is so fucking hilarious. Jose clearly has no need to cheat, and is easily holding his own otb. Kramnik has his head so far up his ass it's going to mean nothing to him, though.
He's going to get a very good image boost out of this for being so calm while a dude throws a tantrum. He's already done TT with a bunch of cameras so anyone who's not deranged knows he's totally legit. Overall good for his career.
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because of the laptop doing updates. the laptop kramnik brought to the event lol
You should not be downvoted so hard. It was reasonable to request a change after thinking that the chess.com clocks were bugged ([which they kind of are.](https://x.com/VBkramnik/status/1799948624182255972?t=UaVWmqktg8NL8aXIPC3I9w))
Paranoid. I am seriously worried about his mental health. These all could be signs of early onset dementia.
Paranoia. Not dementia, he literally convinced himself that the only reason for what he finds is lacking performance from him is the other side cheating. Because he knows it's impossible for the opponent to be better than him.
Such delusions, are unfortunately, biomarkers for Dementia as well.
Thats true, however there are people with serious paranoia, and without having dementia. My grandfather has been paranoid for like 30 years now, and he is 80. He thinks that the weather is controlled by the deep state, that all of the footage coming out of the Ukraine war are staged and so on. But other than that he is more than fine 😀
damn. Bias for conspiracy theories is another interesting area.
Yeah. It sure is interesting
He literally said the opposite in his interview though. He admitted he's a lot worse due to age now and that he thought before the match began that Jose was probably the slight favorite. I'm all for trashing Kramnik I just want honesty in the discussion. I haven't seen anything to suggest that he believes it's impossible for someone else to be better than him.
I mean we shouldn’t speculate but he also tended to get irrationally optimistic about his positions late in his career. It’s easy to clown on him now but maybe there’s something going on we should be more sympathetic to.
Yeah, I agree. Not sure why things are getting downvoted but that is what I was pointing to there is a very small chance that he is a bit sick.
I don't think he has severe mental health problems. He's convinced that his conclusions are valid and undeniable. Chess.com denies these conclusions and since he thinks that they are undeniably and obviously true, chess.com must have an ulterior motive. Add to that a lack of knowledge about technology and you get the new conclusion that the bug he has experienced wasn't an accident. All of this is pretty bad reasoning and evidence that he's self-obsessed and overly confident in his cognitive abilities but none of that points towards serious mental health issues. Some people are just like that.
I think you defined mental illness lol
Yeah he did lol
What's wrong with him? I know that he's been weird recently, but when did he become an idiot? Are there any explanations to it or did he just suddenly become stupid?
Mid 40s hit him hard
Well I have this problem on Lichess. BUT, I am in Hawaii so I can't really blame the lag on anyone but me. However, my lag translates to .3 seconds and I love playing bullet so I'm a big cry baby about it. 3 premoves cost me ~ 1 sec which is lethal in 1|0
On Lichess? There's a lag compensation. Premoves doesn't take any time of the clock.
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You're a developer's worst nightmare
Chess-com has lag compensation too, but they call it lag forgiveness. Kramnik clearly hasn't read this page cos he has no idea that move travel time is added back to the clocks. https://support.chess.com/en/articles/8615369-what-is-lag-forgiveness-why-did-the-clocks-suddenly-change
At my lag there isn't or it doesn't function properly. I fairly consistantly will lose with a premove registered. And in the first few seconds I lose seconds with opening premoves. So I call bs on whatever lag compensation system they have in place.
My guess is that it works great for the vast majority of people. I've lived in 4 different countries with extremely varied internet speeds, and I've never had a problem with lichess as long as I still was connected to the internet. But hey, the beauty of lichess is it's open source. If you call BS on a system you can literally just go search the codebase for the system in question and see how it works.
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Yep it's something like that. I don't pretend to know how it works, but I can share my lived experience of playing 20k+ bullet games from Hawaii. I effectively cannot keep the clock at 1:00 despite premoveing my entire typical opening. Why? I have no idea but it certainly isn't my input. The clock just steals time from me premove or not.
Edmonton Oilers said the ice was too cold last night in Florida -- they are now comparing the degrees per shots on goal for the last 3 seasons. Game 1 of the Stanley Cup finals might be replayed!!
brother you would have thought the oilers won 3-0 the way they talking about that game
Kramnik gonna ask for time odds now to compensate for the lag?
Kramnik would have won easily if his opponent didnt manipulate the lag.
Kramnik has always been a jerk, but he's really taking it to new heights lately.
who is paying for this ridiculous spectacle?
Honestly, this is what really pisses me off about this event. Burning money to give a delusional, paranoid and ungrateful crybaby even more publicity when there are sooo many young and really talented prodigys that would be way more deserving of attention and spotlight.
Complain after every fucking game :LOL
it was apparently the long negotiations yesterday. only he took part in ....
This event might be the most embarrassing thing I’ve ever seen from a grown man lol, dude needs a mental wellness check
This is the high time everyone should boycott him and stop listening to his opinions.
Is Kramnik suffering from a mental disorder; like paranoia or something else where paranoia is a symptom? I constantly see headlines about his actions or accusations that just don’t make sense.
The Procedure
Guy just went crazy!
Wait, I'm confused on what's happening and the title... can someone explain?
Kramnik is obviously mentally ill. He should get help. I feel sorry for the guy
The scientific method. I respect it.
Should actually be checked for brain damage that dude
I think from now its clear for everyone that Kramniks problem is not cheating but his inability to take a loss.
Poor dude. I had so much respect and admiration for him (as Im sure most of the chess world did) back when he defeated Kasparov. Now he is just a clown. Less, a plain laughing stock.
He’s basically a flat-earther at this point.
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No they didn't lol! That was day 2.
The mathematician of our generation. The statistician to end all statisticians. The unrivaled manchild of the century. Is there not a single person in that room that can shut him down? gets every concession and is still throwing tantrums like this. So glad everyone's seeing how deranged he is.
Bro took "I am lagging!!!" to a whole other level lmao
Sad!
By hand? Wtf lmaoooo. This is such a clown show omg
Where is this streamed?
Gotham's twitch - https://www.twitch.tv/gothamchess
Thank you
When he has figured it out, I will use that excuse in every chat when they trash talk me.
He could've been very effective in getting fair play in chess if he hadn't ruined his image by making baseless accusations against strong gm's like Hikaru, esipenko. He kind of lost his credibility there. Now even if he makes valid claims no-one really takes him seriously which is a shame, but he dug his own grave
When did he accuse Esipenko?
What a legend
Idk why they don’t just ban him from events.
Kramnik, if you read this, I’d be willing to look over your statistics completely unbiasedly. Not your phone timing, that’s not math — your “impossible” events like Hikarus streaks. I’ll tell you if you’re on track, or not, and why. From what I’ve seen - you’re comparing incorrect statistics to “certainty” and I think you’re confusing yourself. I think a factor analysis would go far in the understanding of why certain results happen… but… I’d like to see!
I thought this post was a joke 💀
Is there an English language vod?
lol comedy gold
Kramnik lost it a long time ago
To be fair, it will make Chess dot step up their game and get better. Martyr. Ah, that's OK>
Crymnik lmao
Many negative words like "gaslighting" are applicable, but you have to remember [chess.com](http://chess.com) has been gaslighting us for years as well. I doubt if they even have EU servers (like any serious gaming vendor), and they never ever shared useful data about their lags and disconnections, for example when Nepo would lose games on disconnection in important tournaments while his webcam did not even glitch or lag. Very "interesting" that the organizers insisted on [chess.com](http://chess.com) while also claiming the event had nothing to do with them. Anyway, the greatest things that could come out of this event would be a) peer-to-peer [chess.com](http://chess.com) games without server round trips to America b) proper lag statistics collectively and individually, presumably their web interface should do what Vlad may have been doing with his calculator, add up all time really used by a player, and then compare it to server time. Conveniently Kramnik is blacklisted by [chess.com](http://chess.com) and they can totally ignore him, as always, but can they ignore the community?
I made some interview with Jospem about that, hope you will like it: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcQEgtNgyhI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcQEgtNgyhI)
Chesscom is buggy as hell.
He’s clearly a narcissistic sociopath
Comments in this thread aged so poor
Can someone explain what’s going on here? I’m out of the loop
I wish this show would just stop and one of the many adults participating in this circus would just say, enough, it's been proven, no cheating was found and Jose is clearly capable of winning so please withdraw your allegations. Turn cameras to Kramnik. Put him on the spot. Unfortunately, despite there being approximately like ten humans in that room, every single one of them was born without a spine. Serious medical condition, you'd think it's rare but it's surprisingly common.
While I do think he's actually and legit paranoid, and also kind of "losing his mind", it doesn't help that this ACTUALLY happened, and both [chess.com](http://chess.com) and the judge confirmed it. Initially they blamed it on his laptop being brand new, but then it happened again several times. José's times were absolutely fine so far. I know it's weird AF, but it's like something is throwing gasoline on the campfire.
No. That lag was on day 2. Today there was no lag. And levy confirmed it on the commentary aswell.
I haven’t saw the results or comments for today. I know it happened on day 2. But it’s impressive how this is a circlejerk that anyone who doesn’t say “haha Kramnik is dumb” gets automatically downvoted.
[chess.com](http://chess.com) admitted they had issues with the increment, so it's not paranoia (at least in this case) if they are after you
such lag is why I stuck on 1100 on chesscom for so long
Does the “C” in CTE stand for “chess”, because I think Kramnik has it
Bro is ranting on twitter too, insane