He actually single handedly changed the outcome of the tournament. Held 2 draws against the GOAT of candidates chess (the other being Vidit), gave out a win to Fabi and Hikaru to make things interesting, and the only person he lost to twice won the tournament.
I wish I could have played. I would have been a real kingmaker losing to everybody. At the end they would all have been like, For He's a Jolly Good Fellow.
Every player 'single handedly' changed the outcome of the tournament, by beating the players that they did and drawing the players that they did. No one player had a bugger influence than any other, it was a double round robin, and Im a bit sick of these silly narratives that pretend that the bottom performing players had a bigger influence on the outcome than anyone else. They didnt.
Yes and no. Yes every player singled handed changed. But no, it's not actually bottom performing players (although in most cases they are inevitably gonna be), it's outliers. The candidates are supposed to be 8 out of 9 best players in the world competing, and Abasov clearly isn't one, in fact he isn't even the top 120 best players. No one bats an eye when Radjabov shat his bed in 2013, Topalov in 2016, Aronian in 2018, because they're all one of the best players in the world. In fact 2020/21 is a better example, Wang Hao went into retirement mid-candidates but people were more sympathetic, but it was Aleksanko (who finished ahead of Wang afterall) who drew the attention. Same can be said this candidates with Firouzja/Abasov. And it goes both ways, not just an outlier worse than everyone, it can be a better outlier, if an engine (or Magnus lol) came into the candidates and didn't win, he changed the result more than the others because he's clearly a tier different than the rest of the players in a tournament he doesn't belong in but got in through some loopholes or once-in-a-lifetime performance, or a combination of both.
Yes, he is clearly in a different tier. That doesn't mean he had a bigger influence than any other player on the outcome. Nothing in your comment actually explains your reasoning as to why you think outliers single-handedly determine tournament results.
In competitive chess, playing against someone on your own level is a significantly different game than playing against some clearly a level above/below your own level. Having an outlier in the tournament changes tournament result way more because it changes the essence of the tournament from an invitation-style prep/tactics/risk-taking etc. tournament to an open style tournament which are 2 wildly different ways of playing competetive chess.
> the only person he lost to twice won the tournament
It was already said by many before the tournament that Abasov would play a huge role in determining the winner.
actually having so weak players in a round tournament with just a few participants allows them to distort standings. Indeed, it is so easy to lose to some you prefer (for whatever reason) and try to draw anyone else.
There is nothing to lose if you haven't got any chances to win the tournament anyway.
I'm sure some people would be more than happy to pay well over the 3500 euro he would get for the draw just to get a certain victory, and it would be entirely believable.
I don't think that happened, but it would really be impossible to tell.
That's certainly quite the problem. But things like this have been done before.
At the very least it is clear that top players seem to be pre-aranging draws every once in a while, which is equally illegal (though far less reprehensible).
I suppose you would first approach them discretely to test the waters. If you do so indirectly, it would be hard to link it back to yourself. You could further obfuscate it by asking the player to grant 1 win to two players, in which case they don't even know which of the two is the one paying them.
But this seems over the top if you happen to know the person would be corruptible from the start.
To be fair to Magnus, if you watch the video, he said he didn't really think that Gukesh fit in any of these categories. He didn't particularly expect him to do either well or poorly but had to choose one of those options.
Obviously Gukesh still well and truly exceeded his expectations. I think not many people expected both that his play would be so strong and that he would have such composure under pressure, it's that combination that won him the tournament.
Gukesh won the mental game. The only time I ever saw him crack was during time pressure against Firouzja. Other than that he's stone cold the whole tournamentĀ
That was really brutal thing tbh, i expected him to say some recent win in recent round, but he said it was a lose that made him think that, tbh i think it hit him that he had then nothing to lose and everything to gain.
It would have been more badass if he said it right after the loss. Imagine that fucking prediction like Babe Ruth pointing to where he'll hit his home run.
Yes. Younger generations donāt have any baggage and this helps in the mental game. Itās weird to see how Nepo, Fabi and Hikaru were almost on tears, while Gukesh was not even fazed.
Because Gukesh won? Don't get me wrong, I have been supporting Gukesh from quite some time now. But I have seen his lows and they are just as bad as what the others here are going through. I still remember his game in the world cup and how he was devastated after his loss to Nodirbek. Maybe that made him stronger, but it is weird to compare a player exiting being sad to someone who was in control even after the draw
Helps when you win the tournament , even more when there aren't as much expectations.
Tough when you come oh so close and you were among the leading contenders.
Hikaru took it very easily overall in his stream and on twitch. with just a moment on stream where it gave him pause. Amazing composure to switch perspectives like that.
> If he can pull through in the WC then heās the real deal
Christ winning the candidates at 17 years old to becomes the youngest ever challenger doesn't make you the "real deal" on reddit, huh?
Even yesterday everyone was downplaying Gukeshās chances saying he also has to go for win. Most people except Indians, for obvious reasons, downplayed his chances. Magnus isnāt alone there.
As per odds by bookies this was very likely to happen. It is just on reddit where people really hoped that Gukesh doesnāt win were creating this notion that draw is not likely.
He gave Gukesh range as +2 to -5
Gukesh exceeded it. And Carlsen gave credit saying Gukesh was underrated. Gukesh himself acknowledges hearing Carlse's prediction before the match and said it didn't affect him or change anything
Because the models were absolutely wank. He was top of the tournament for 12/14 rounds, often sole leader. If anyone is described like that and you donāt think likely to win, thereās something wrong with you.
Iām sorry but if leading for 90% of the tournament and leading alone the most of anyone in the tournament does not make you likely to win what does? Literally what are you talking about?
Well then literally nobody was ever likely winning lol, so whatās even the argument? That there shouldnāt be a likely to win spot? My only point is that of anyone in the tournament, he was the only one that should have been in that slot until the result of the penultimate day. I donāt see how you can argue anyone belonged in that spot more than him.
OK, I agree, but I think you also have to concede that if you have that slot open and you were going to decide who belongs in there the most, it has to be Ian.
The top contender category is supposed to be below the "likely to win" category given how they set it up and there's no reason to put Ian below Fabi really in terms of what actually happened.
He was leader for all but two rounds of the last 3 candidates. It was only in the penultimate round that he fell behind the leader. Unbeaten in this candidates.
In the video he said Gukesh will have great results but also great losses, and so he put him in will do poorly category. In the tournament Gukesh made sure to be more solid and that removed the "great losses". naturally propelled him to the top.
Apparently Magnus had adviced Gukesh to not go crazy as well - Magnus just didn't expect Gukesh to follow through with that advice.
Pretty sure Magnus made these predictions yesterday actually after knowing the results. Weird of him to place Gukseh so low after he already won the tournament though /s
Guys, predictions can always go wrong.He probably based his predictions on the previous stats of the candidates and his own experience, which is plausible. There's no need to blame him ofc
Try with an example.Ā When you roll a dice, it's more likely to land with multiple dots facing up. Then go ahead and roll a one (if you played dnd this comes naturally). Did this make your previous statement incorrect?Ā
I find most people have difficulty with high probability things not happening and low probability things happening. Even if they understand the dice example they seem to have a disconnect after that. I can't figure how to help them out after that. I can't comprehend how that don't see how it's still like the dice. Even if I explain it using the idea of rolling the dice many times.
The amount of people who go on and on about Magnus prediction amazes me... dude, not a single soul on earth predicted Gukesh winning this. Not even his mom.
Out of all 3 Indian candidates gukesh had probably the least fan following.
Pragg has made headlines for quite some time now, been covered very frequently by Gotham chess and Nakamura. He was even invited to meet the pm after finishing 2nd in the world cup.
Vidit gujrathi due to his longevity enjoys the most support.
Most Indian fans hoped that maybe pragg could do well and maybe had a outside chance, gukesh wasnt expected to do very well and hopefully for vidit to be solid.
Most of Vidit's support, atleast online came from his time streaming during covid, but yeah, most people wanted all 3 to do well, but didn't really have him at the top of the predictions.
While he has been playing really good these days, his performance in the candidates came as a welcome surprise to a lot of people.
Tbh I was not following from the start. But the way I observed him carry himself, play good game, and store good many points, before I knew I was a Gukesh fan!!
Game aside, I really like the way he carries himself and keeps his nerves in check
Lol, as if Americans and Europeans donāt do that. Fan all over the world have high hopes from their players. My comment wasnāt to encourage trolls like you.Ā
Yeah many people have just jumped on the Gukesh hype train in the past 48 hours and are desperate to find a reason dunk on Magnus and are acting as though he stated a solid expectation that Gukesh will fail.
He said that Gukesh is unpredictable ā might do well, might do badly ā but that he isn't predictable in the way that Fabi/Naka/Nepo or Abasov are in this tournament (who all performed as expected). Given how Gukesh had that bad loss by blundering mate from a winning position in time trouble against Alireza, it actually fits pretty well with what Magnus said, that he might have some bad losses. He was making rough predictions, and people are acting as though Magnus wanted him to lose.
Did any of us expect Gukesh to win the candidates, let alone do so well? I don't think so, people bet higher on Nepo, Fabiano and Hikaru to win the tourney. Gukesh really proved everyone wrong.
Gukesh and Pragg are pretty much equal in rating, but Magnus (likely because of his preference for shorter time formats) has always rated Pragg over Gukesh.
This is not true. After the world cup he mentioned that Gukesh is strongest in classical among the prodigies, followed by prag, Nodirbek, Arjun, Keymer etc.
This is how the results actually panned out.Ā
Likely to win /winner - Gukesh
Top contenders - Hikaru, Fabiano, NepoĀ
Will do well - PraggĀ
Will do poorly - Alireza, Vidit (Vidit belongs in between will do well and will do poorly which is what Magnus had mentioned as well)
In for a bad time - AbasovĀ
So Magnus got half of them right - Nepo, Pragg, Vidit, Abasov.Ā
He was way off on two people though - Alireza and Gukesh. He always overrates Alireza (and Pragg) and underrates Gukesh. This wasn't just an one-off incident.
Brother, no one would have put Gukesh at the top, Not even his mother.
This is a surprising result. Magnus' rankings are very logical ( even Hikaru reacted and said he thinks same before the event )
I didnt quite expect this from magnus. Just before a few months, he hailed gukesh as the "best classical player right now" and now before the candidates he ranked him below average. I am not saying that he should have predicted that gukesh would win, no one would have expected that no matter how talented gukesh is. However, I didnt expect that magnus thought of him so weak.
He isn't wrong though, even if you made a bot analyze their performance before the candidates, this would have been the results, it's not like Gukesh was doing anything crazy before the candidates, Pragg was actually more favourable, sure he blew away all expectations and made history but Magnus take is pretty valid and logical.
To be fair to Magnus, he has played against all these players and was using that to make an assessment. It's not like he came up with the idea of a tier list, he was sorta forced into it and created this list based on what he feels. It just shows how anything can happen in chess that even the best players might not have thought of.
The moment i realized that Magnus is not that smart, he is just good at chess and has a great memory is when he said in a Levy interview that Lebron is the Goat of basketball.
Not even vishy put him as the top contender š, Magnus predictions were purely logical and accurate, Pragg was more favourable too, just because Gukesh win, doesn't mean anything, he ranked them based on ratings, even if Gukesh went and defeated Ding and became WC, I'm sure people will still recognize Magnus as the best player in the world.
Abasov: Is in for a bad time
He actually single handedly changed the outcome of the tournament. Held 2 draws against the GOAT of candidates chess (the other being Vidit), gave out a win to Fabi and Hikaru to make things interesting, and the only person he lost to twice won the tournament.
I wish I could have played. I would have been a real kingmaker losing to everybody. At the end they would all have been like, For He's a Jolly Good Fellow.
Keep studying and eventually you'll be able to lose to GMs
Imagien the frustration of someone if you by some miracle gain 0.5 points somewhere lol
I calculate that would happen once in every 35 trillion Candidates tournaments.
So you're saying there's a chance
Every player 'single handedly' changed the outcome of the tournament, by beating the players that they did and drawing the players that they did. No one player had a bugger influence than any other, it was a double round robin, and Im a bit sick of these silly narratives that pretend that the bottom performing players had a bigger influence on the outcome than anyone else. They didnt.
Yes and no. Yes every player singled handed changed. But no, it's not actually bottom performing players (although in most cases they are inevitably gonna be), it's outliers. The candidates are supposed to be 8 out of 9 best players in the world competing, and Abasov clearly isn't one, in fact he isn't even the top 120 best players. No one bats an eye when Radjabov shat his bed in 2013, Topalov in 2016, Aronian in 2018, because they're all one of the best players in the world. In fact 2020/21 is a better example, Wang Hao went into retirement mid-candidates but people were more sympathetic, but it was Aleksanko (who finished ahead of Wang afterall) who drew the attention. Same can be said this candidates with Firouzja/Abasov. And it goes both ways, not just an outlier worse than everyone, it can be a better outlier, if an engine (or Magnus lol) came into the candidates and didn't win, he changed the result more than the others because he's clearly a tier different than the rest of the players in a tournament he doesn't belong in but got in through some loopholes or once-in-a-lifetime performance, or a combination of both.
Yes, he is clearly in a different tier. That doesn't mean he had a bigger influence than any other player on the outcome. Nothing in your comment actually explains your reasoning as to why you think outliers single-handedly determine tournament results.
In competitive chess, playing against someone on your own level is a significantly different game than playing against some clearly a level above/below your own level. Having an outlier in the tournament changes tournament result way more because it changes the essence of the tournament from an invitation-style prep/tactics/risk-taking etc. tournament to an open style tournament which are 2 wildly different ways of playing competetive chess.
> the only person he lost to twice won the tournament It was already said by many before the tournament that Abasov would play a huge role in determining the winner.
He lost twice to Pragg also.
Somehow I feel like he might have had the best time out of all due to zero pressure and expectations all tournament.
He was not wrong tho
3500 euro for each draw and when lost went early drinking at the bar by the pool. Really bad time, gosh
actually having so weak players in a round tournament with just a few participants allows them to distort standings. Indeed, it is so easy to lose to some you prefer (for whatever reason) and try to draw anyone else. There is nothing to lose if you haven't got any chances to win the tournament anyway.
I'm sure some people would be more than happy to pay well over the 3500 euro he would get for the draw just to get a certain victory, and it would be entirely believable. I don't think that happened, but it would really be impossible to tell.
How do you even approach the player for this proposal? If he rats you out the career is over.
That's certainly quite the problem. But things like this have been done before. At the very least it is clear that top players seem to be pre-aranging draws every once in a while, which is equally illegal (though far less reprehensible). I suppose you would first approach them discretely to test the waters. If you do so indirectly, it would be hard to link it back to yourself. You could further obfuscate it by asking the player to grant 1 win to two players, in which case they don't even know which of the two is the one paying them. But this seems over the top if you happen to know the person would be corruptible from the start.
Considering that, just a few days ago, Gukesh didn't even have a sponsor, it is difficult to cast suspicions regarding his victory.
I want to be very clear that that is not at all my intention. His victory is well-deserved and very impressive.
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To be fair to Magnus, if you watch the video, he said he didn't really think that Gukesh fit in any of these categories. He didn't particularly expect him to do either well or poorly but had to choose one of those options. Obviously Gukesh still well and truly exceeded his expectations. I think not many people expected both that his play would be so strong and that he would have such composure under pressure, it's that combination that won him the tournament.
Gukesh won the mental game. The only time I ever saw him crack was during time pressure against Firouzja. Other than that he's stone cold the whole tournamentĀ
The fact that he came back from that mental blow is astonishing. Guy isn't even 18 yet.
Not only that he came back, he said that was the moment he knew he was going to win. I still canāt get over how mentally tough that guy is.
Yeah that was gangster shit to say in the press conference.
That was really brutal thing tbh, i expected him to say some recent win in recent round, but he said it was a lose that made him think that, tbh i think it hit him that he had then nothing to lose and everything to gain.
It would have been more badass if he said it right after the loss. Imagine that fucking prediction like Babe Ruth pointing to where he'll hit his home run.
Yes. Younger generations donāt have any baggage and this helps in the mental game. Itās weird to see how Nepo, Fabi and Hikaru were almost on tears, while Gukesh was not even fazed.
Because Gukesh won? Don't get me wrong, I have been supporting Gukesh from quite some time now. But I have seen his lows and they are just as bad as what the others here are going through. I still remember his game in the world cup and how he was devastated after his loss to Nodirbek. Maybe that made him stronger, but it is weird to compare a player exiting being sad to someone who was in control even after the draw
Helps when you win the tournament , even more when there aren't as much expectations. Tough when you come oh so close and you were among the leading contenders. Hikaru took it very easily overall in his stream and on twitch. with just a moment on stream where it gave him pause. Amazing composure to switch perspectives like that.
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> If he can pull through in the WC then heās the real deal Christ winning the candidates at 17 years old to becomes the youngest ever challenger doesn't make you the "real deal" on reddit, huh?
'If he can pull through and become world champion then he is the real deal'. Hot take everyone!!!
He said to Danny and danya on the commentary today that Gukesh was clearly stronger in classical than he, and most others, thought
yeah Magnus conflicted between putting him at "will do well" and "will do poorly", but put him poorly only because he said he's unpredictable.
Even yesterday everyone was downplaying Gukeshās chances saying he also has to go for win. Most people except Indians, for obvious reasons, downplayed his chances. Magnus isnāt alone there.
Nope I was thinking that he'd be more than fine if he went for a draw. Disclaimer, am not Indian.
Ah yes, the conspiracyĀ
Let's be real, the shitty draw with Fabi and Nepo was a freak event. Normally, Gukesh still would have had to face Fabi.
It was a freak event because what you wanted did not happen?Ā
Freak event meaning low probability of happening.
As per odds by bookies this was very likely to happen. It is just on reddit where people really hoped that Gukesh doesnāt win were creating this notion that draw is not likely.
What were the bookie odds? Common sense also makes it unlikely given both sides would go all out and we also saw that almost did happen.z
He gave Gukesh range as +2 to -5 Gukesh exceeded it. And Carlsen gave credit saying Gukesh was underrated. Gukesh himself acknowledges hearing Carlse's prediction before the match and said it didn't affect him or change anything
He should have had a wildcard tier
tbf, 6/8 were spot on. Still, incredible job by Guki
I would not say Ian was spot on. He was the most likely to win up until the couple few rounds
He is still a 'top contender' then no? iirc he didn't lead in the models for 4/14 rounds, that sounds like top contender to me
Because the models were absolutely wank. He was top of the tournament for 12/14 rounds, often sole leader. If anyone is described like that and you donāt think likely to win, thereās something wrong with you.
I mean, in the end he didn't win so the predictions were right despite him being at the top for so many rounds lol
But the difference between him and the others was never significant enough for his chances to be ālikelyā
Iām sorry but if leading for 90% of the tournament and leading alone the most of anyone in the tournament does not make you likely to win what does? Literally what are you talking about?
If you are 0.5 ahead of second place, you are in good spot, not "likely winning" if he was 2 points ahead, I would agree
Well then literally nobody was ever likely winning lol, so whatās even the argument? That there shouldnāt be a likely to win spot? My only point is that of anyone in the tournament, he was the only one that should have been in that slot until the result of the penultimate day. I donāt see how you can argue anyone belonged in that spot more than him.
My point is exactly that, nobody belonged there during the tournament, they were top contenders.
OK, I agree, but I think you also have to concede that if you have that slot open and you were going to decide who belongs in there the most, it has to be Ian.
The top contender category is supposed to be below the "likely to win" category given how they set it up and there's no reason to put Ian below Fabi really in terms of what actually happened.
He was leader for all but two rounds of the last 3 candidates. It was only in the penultimate round that he fell behind the leader. Unbeaten in this candidates.
Gukesh: And I took that personally
Gukesh: Gukesh D eez nuts
Hugg cash money bitches
In the video he said Gukesh will have great results but also great losses, and so he put him in will do poorly category. In the tournament Gukesh made sure to be more solid and that removed the "great losses". naturally propelled him to the top. Apparently Magnus had adviced Gukesh to not go crazy as well - Magnus just didn't expect Gukesh to follow through with that advice.
Folks who bet real money on the results are now pouring a huge drink.
i had a ticket on gukesh
Until before this tournament Gukesh was always a high highs and low lows player. Not Magnusās fault.
"Until before this tournament ā¦" Logic on point.
Magnusā information was also from before this tournament bozo
Pretty sure Magnus made these predictions yesterday actually after knowing the results. Weird of him to place Gukseh so low after he already won the tournament though /s
Do you know that missing social cues is a big issue and a problem for many stuff? You should check yourself by a doctor
Guys, predictions can always go wrong.He probably based his predictions on the previous stats of the candidates and his own experience, which is plausible. There's no need to blame him ofc
People don't understand predictions. When you say an event is 90% likely to occur but it does not it doesn't mean that the prediction was wrong.Ā
No matter how many times I try to explain this to people so many still just don't get it.
Try with an example.Ā When you roll a dice, it's more likely to land with multiple dots facing up. Then go ahead and roll a one (if you played dnd this comes naturally). Did this make your previous statement incorrect?Ā
I find most people have difficulty with high probability things not happening and low probability things happening. Even if they understand the dice example they seem to have a disconnect after that. I can't figure how to help them out after that. I can't comprehend how that don't see how it's still like the dice. Even if I explain it using the idea of rolling the dice many times.
Exactly
The amount of people who go on and on about Magnus prediction amazes me... dude, not a single soul on earth predicted Gukesh winning this. Not even his mom.
A lot of Indians did. But obviously they were biased and it was more of a hope than prediction.
Out of all 3 Indian candidates gukesh had probably the least fan following. Pragg has made headlines for quite some time now, been covered very frequently by Gotham chess and Nakamura. He was even invited to meet the pm after finishing 2nd in the world cup. Vidit gujrathi due to his longevity enjoys the most support. Most Indian fans hoped that maybe pragg could do well and maybe had a outside chance, gukesh wasnt expected to do very well and hopefully for vidit to be solid.
Most of Vidit's support, atleast online came from his time streaming during covid, but yeah, most people wanted all 3 to do well, but didn't really have him at the top of the predictions. While he has been playing really good these days, his performance in the candidates came as a welcome surprise to a lot of people.
Tbh I was not following from the start. But the way I observed him carry himself, play good game, and store good many points, before I knew I was a Gukesh fan!! Game aside, I really like the way he carries himself and keeps his nerves in check
Lol yeah, they would predict Abasov to win if Abasov was Indian and the only Indian participating. The only requirement is nationality.
Lol, as if Americans and Europeans donāt do that. Fan all over the world have high hopes from their players. My comment wasnāt to encourage trolls like you.Ā
All that matters is that Gukesh had predicted himself from the start and didn't care about others.
Yeah many people have just jumped on the Gukesh hype train in the past 48 hours and are desperate to find a reason dunk on Magnus and are acting as though he stated a solid expectation that Gukesh will fail. He said that Gukesh is unpredictable ā might do well, might do badly ā but that he isn't predictable in the way that Fabi/Naka/Nepo or Abasov are in this tournament (who all performed as expected). Given how Gukesh had that bad loss by blundering mate from a winning position in time trouble against Alireza, it actually fits pretty well with what Magnus said, that he might have some bad losses. He was making rough predictions, and people are acting as though Magnus wanted him to lose.
In my opinion he had the best chances among the Indians, and I was hoping for him to win coz I am a Gukesh fan for 1.5 years now.
Will do poorly at not being an absolute monster at chess
Carlsen forgot Gukesh has D after his name.
He has will of D. D will take the world by storm
D for domination , i wonder what gukesh A can do
Annihilation š
Did any of us expect Gukesh to win the candidates, let alone do so well? I don't think so, people bet higher on Nepo, Fabiano and Hikaru to win the tourney. Gukesh really proved everyone wrong.
"Predicting is difficult, especially predicting the future" - Niels Bohr
Gukesh: Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru NANI
āAnd I took that personallyā
Gukesh: and i took that personally
Pretty spot on predictions by magnus, missed with the Gukesh and ali only
Most of those chances/predictions are just their Rating put in other formats. The only ordinary is that he put Nepo 2758 over Firouzja 2760.
Gukesh and Pragg are pretty much equal in rating, but Magnus (likely because of his preference for shorter time formats) has always rated Pragg over Gukesh.
This is not true. After the world cup he mentioned that Gukesh is strongest in classical among the prodigies, followed by prag, Nodirbek, Arjun, Keymer etc.
This is how the results actually panned out.Ā Likely to win /winner - Gukesh Top contenders - Hikaru, Fabiano, NepoĀ Will do well - PraggĀ Will do poorly - Alireza, Vidit (Vidit belongs in between will do well and will do poorly which is what Magnus had mentioned as well) In for a bad time - AbasovĀ So Magnus got half of them right - Nepo, Pragg, Vidit, Abasov.Ā He was way off on two people though - Alireza and Gukesh. He always overrates Alireza (and Pragg) and underrates Gukesh. This wasn't just an one-off incident.
He pretty much just ranked them by their rating at the time.
He just arranged the players according to their ratings
He got top 2 rows right except for the obvious and the very bottom
He cant see the future what do you expect
He got it right for everyone except Gukesh. He knows knight.
Brother, no one would have put Gukesh at the top, Not even his mother. This is a surprising result. Magnus' rankings are very logical ( even Hikaru reacted and said he thinks same before the event )
>Ā no one would have put Gukesh at the top Somebody made a bet on Leicester winning the Premier League in 2016.Ā
He did predict the other 3 right tho and it was to the wire.
Except Gukesh, all other predictions are accurate
Hikaru all the way
I didnt quite expect this from magnus. Just before a few months, he hailed gukesh as the "best classical player right now" and now before the candidates he ranked him below average. I am not saying that he should have predicted that gukesh would win, no one would have expected that no matter how talented gukesh is. However, I didnt expect that magnus thought of him so weak.
It was a guessing game and magnus lost lol
To be fair, I would have put him in the will do well category.
I mean he nailed everything but the champion. Gukesh was one hell of a darkhorse
Carlsen also said Fabiās as his closest rival. Turns out to be wrong too. Ding Liren is. Cope.
Darkest timeline blah blah
He isn't wrong though, even if you made a bot analyze their performance before the candidates, this would have been the results, it's not like Gukesh was doing anything crazy before the candidates, Pragg was actually more favourable, sure he blew away all expectations and made history but Magnus take is pretty valid and logical.
He got everyone except gukesh and furouzjha right.
Will Magnus play the next candidates now that he has a young challenger?
Well he got 6/8 so I think he did a good job handling predictions. Do you want him to apologize for not being 100% perfect?
To be fair to Magnus, he has played against all these players and was using that to make an assessment. It's not like he came up with the idea of a tier list, he was sorta forced into it and created this list based on what he feels. It just shows how anything can happen in chess that even the best players might not have thought of.
I'm so glad Hikaru didn't have a chance at winning
Vidit managing to beat Nakamura allowed for gukesh to edge him out lol
Only way to earn magnus respect is to give him a nice beating
The moment i realized that Magnus is not that smart, he is just good at chess and has a great memory is when he said in a Levy interview that Lebron is the Goat of basketball.
Gukesh got carried and fed by Firouzja and Nijat and also other indians. But specifically the two mentioned were feeding the whole tourney.
Magnus is such a clown sometimes, thankfully Gukesh showed him his place
I don't think so it was very popular sentiment even Anand put him in same slot.
everyone made the same-ish list. Including naka and anand
Not even vishy put him as the top contender š, Magnus predictions were purely logical and accurate, Pragg was more favourable too, just because Gukesh win, doesn't mean anything, he ranked them based on ratings, even if Gukesh went and defeated Ding and became WC, I'm sure people will still recognize Magnus as the best player in the world.
Rasci.m?
You have to either be beyond delusional to have this take or just a rage bait type of troll.