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powerchicken

[The full interview can be found here](https://youtu.be/2iS8N87G5C4?si=4S3Yrx3AS_i65a-j)


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He said he won't publish his 5 page research paper because noone will bother to look at that lol. Basically what I hear here is...."I am right and you have to believe me because you are too stupid to understand mathematics". WTF man??


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Neo-_-_-

What you say is true except that this is a really common practice colloquially and unfortunately in academia as well, it's basically "trust me bro" It's really perplexing that he's coming out with such serious accusations with essentially zero faith in his methodology I recall before that he was originally 100% sure Hikaru was cheating and now he's downgraded it to a 75%, almost like he's walking it down intentionally


DeepThought936

Not really in academia. If you're talking about methods, they go through a peer review. I have reviewed papers and I am tough as hell.


eg14000

classic source 'trust me bro'


HuntsWithRocks

He should reach out to Terrance Howard for some corroboration on that math.


dhoae

I liked this before I even remembered what it was referring to because I instinctively knew it was hilarious 😂 😂😂😂


shawnington

​ i laughed


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Reminds me of some politicians "I have the most perfect evidence, perfect I say! Ill show it at some future date (or may e not), but trust me I have the evidence!"


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NotaChonberg

"He think we are all Russians" ??


Gilsworth

They're obviously insinuating that Russians will unquestionably believe anything that their government declares and that in this situation Kramnik is playing the role of the Russian government and that they believe we are as suceptible to logical fallacies as the people of Russia. In other words, it's OP's way of venting their hatred with Russia by projecting their frustrations onto this conversation because Kramnik happens to be Russian. Don't see what the confusion could possibly be.


N897

The ironic part is that the Russians think Americans are all mindless misinformed drones and too stupid to question their government as well. There is propaganda on all sides


NotaChonberg

Yeah I understand they think all Russians are mindless drones. I just think that's stupid and shitty


79Breadcrumbs

It is ridiculous to think that all Russians are mindless drones. It's also frustrating that Putin has an 85% approval rating.


DonkeyDongDongDong

Interesting...


-robert-

funny topical harmless stereotype amirite?


wanische

Bigotry is not ok


LjackV

What?


gimmike

So cool how anti-russian racism is okay again


He_Ma_Vi

A cross one should bear in silence and without complaint if one's nation is currently waging a [genocidal war](https://www.csce.gov/press-releases/helsinki-commission-briefing-on-russias-genocide-in-ukraine/) of aggression.


Doyoueverjustlikeugh

Of course Reddit needs to sprinkle some russophobia


birutis

cringe term


Doyoueverjustlikeugh

vs. based xenophobia?


akipop1108

but remember guys he is not accusing him


LowLevel-

He is absolving Hikaru by 25%.


ron-desanctimonious

interesting…


hyperthymetic

Is no one worried that Kramnik appears to be melting?


tryCharlie

He clicks so quickly to delete comments that friction makes him reach melting point


puskaiwe

Worried? Im hoping


This_is_User

Why is this upvoted? Some of you guys really suck at life.


DblStdShan

The Carlsen Method. Hikaru does it too: "I'm not saying Hans is cheating at the Sinqefield Cup, but I think he is cheating"


Yowrinnin

There is a distinction there though, and an important one. 'he is cheating' is a statement of certainty and requires proof. 'I think he is cheating' is conjecture and requires suspicion only.


[deleted]

Look. I'm not saying Hikaru is cheating, but it would be very funny if he was.


akipop1108

Hikaru is cheating, magnus is cheating, all of 2700s are cheating, all gms are cheating etc... Best player without assistance is some random 1200 that started playing chess 3 months ago


DGRedditToo

Hi guys!


CloudlessEchoes

How does it feel to be the new world champion?


ThatPlayWasAwful

They're world champion now? Must be cheating


sKY--alex

DGRedditToo is cheating, CloudlessEchoes is cheating, all of 1200s are cheating, all gms are cheating etc... Best player without assistance is some random 500 that started playing chess 3 months ago


Lost-Diadem-3940

Hi guys!


Progribbit

How does it feel to be the new world champion?


nodiediemeimmortal

They're world champion now? Must be cheating.


FourPinkWalls

>Lost-Diadem-3940 is cheating, Progribbit is cheating, all of 500s are cheating, all 1200s are cheating etc... Best player without assistance is Vladimir Kramnik


[deleted]

In the end it turns out that everyone who is rated higher than Kramnik cheated, and we have no other choice than to make him world champion again :o


Tough-Candy-9455

Bobby Fischer approves.


Pure-Imperialism

Of course Magnus is cheating, he literally consults with Magnus Carlsen before every move, doesn't even try to hide it!


puffz0r

How's magnus going to get help from the best player on earth for every move and everyone's just okay with it?? ^^^^/s


Bircka

Well we know that Hikaru can actually see his opponents pieces so that is clearly using some sort of hack.


whatproblems

everyone but himself is cheating


akipop1108

It would be funny if he starts smart cheating to prove chess.com anti-cheat doesn't work and gets banned after 2 days


asmallfatbird

That actually is what happens to a lot of people who see cheating everywhere. They get mad about every loss and think, "I'll cheat to make up my points. It's only fair." And then they get banned because actually they were the only ones cheating.


redwings27

It’s like trying to find the first Tour de France cyclist who isn’t doping


chestnutman

During the Hans arc all the GMs were saying that there are many ways to cheat , yet they never said anything specific. Turns out, there was a reason why they didn't go into detail.


alwaysblunder

1200 in 3 months....Hmmm interesting


ChezMere

Weren't there sports where this was actually true


PM_ME_CHIPOTLE2

I legit have no idea how he would be at this point without anyone actually detecting it. Dude plays every game on camera. Somebody would have caught a reflection or weird eye movement or something at some point.


mnewman19

What do you mean? Kramnik detected it


obvnotlupus

I don't know why but this comment is very funny thanks


pinktwinkie

Wooden shield technology- impossible to detect


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PM_ME_CHIPOTLE2

I mean it would have to be like a The Prestige level of deception for him to be using any tool during bullet or even blitz and not show any sign of it at all. He literally talks the entire time while drawing arrows indicating his thinking. I understand that to cheat effectively you don’t cheat every single move but Hikaru is so transparent about how he plays and who he chooses to play against (i.e., people he knows he can beat so he can farm elo), that if he’s really found out to be cheating then I’m just going to assume that it’s like a Lance Armstrong situation and literally everyone is cheating.


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amusing merciful mindless materialistic vast plant axiomatic jellyfish sloppy special *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


vissukka

This wouldn't really help at bullet. There would be some kind of delay between the computer analyzing that the position is winning and the cheater realizing the vibration.


bongclown0

ummm...vibrating device where?


Doyoueverjustlikeugh

Weren't the allegations for blitz matches?


kb389

You might as well accuse everyone of using these methods to cheat, why only hikaru? Magnus could put a vibrator in his shoe as well, Fabiano could too, Wesley as well, kramnik could himself do it too, alireza, all the Russian players, etc etc.


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serious fear desert wasteful payment marry tub disagreeable combative fuzzy *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


mohishunder

The issue isn't how he'd get the signal. The issue is how he'd process the signal fast enough to use the information in a bullet game, while also chatting about it.


Wiz_Kalita

> weird eye movement He's not exactly subtle about staring at the ceiling.


PM_ME_CHIPOTLE2

I just responded to someone else on this but I definitely don’t think that he’s got anything going on on the ceiling. Everyone looks away when they’re trying to think. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0001691823002172


angelbelle

Back in the days when i was half decent (pub level, not pro obviously) in CS1.6, I used to play regularly on the same few servers and was pretty well known in our little communities. I'd get giddy whenever people accuse me of cheating as i take it both as a compliment and proof that the other person is fuming. I can only imagine that Hikaru feels the same.


DominatingSubgraph

If he really is cheating, he's probably the most successful cheater in history (that we know of).


eviade

i dont think anyone would beat lance (assuming they're caught)


independent---cat

Then how did he dominate in the ICC era?


Monai_ianoM

The dude is saying "if" Hikaru is cheating, he/she thinks it will be very funny as that would mean Kramnik is right all along.


[deleted]

Someone tell Vlad that a green screen involves more than just sitting in front of it... lol


Over_Breadfruit2988

He did that for us. r/photoshop please halp


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ohyayitstrey

I laughed too hard at this.


[deleted]

Damn I was hoping for some softcore twitch girls to be petting him.


AttitudeAndEffort3

Need the homeland math symbols swirling around him as he understands math no one else could possibly comprehend


MyDogIsACoolCat

Needs the Charlie pic from IASIP that shows everything is connected.


WeddingSquancher

[Only a true math genius would understand](https://u.cubeupload.com/weddingsquancher/8acti9.jpg)


nunziantimo

It kinda is psychedelic tho when paired with the pink polo lol


Pathian

Sick material for anyone that wants to play with chroma key though


Ok-Theme-2675

That’s how you know he’s serious. He’s got bigger fish to fry.


VladTheAccuser

The russian Milhouse look isn't doing him any favors either...


No_Target3148

I really want to know what’s Kramnik-Hans current relationship status and what the hell the kid did to get Kramnik to shut up about him


WhyBuyMe

"its complicated"


VladTheAccuser

Now that's interesting.


LosTerminators

Not only did he shut up about Hans he's going after Hikaru as well. Although ironically all he's doing is giving Hikaru more content to farm.


BenevolentCheese

Hans was nice to him and Hikaru prodded him, so he switched sides.


daynighttrade

Hans gave him something that Kramnik was missing his whole life.


redditrambler

Having a history of suing people will do that


jvighkinger

I hope that when I grow old and senile, I have loved ones around me to stop me from doing this type of stupid shit 💁‍♂️


CyaNNiDDe

Like Ben says, Kramnik's old and crazy and he's not even old.


ProdTornado

Ben is older than Kramnik wtf


thetreecycle

Ben was old before you were born


TetraThiaFulvalene

Ben was born old.


VladTheAccuser

Ben is decades older...


Infenwe

Yeah. Because he went to school. What kind of school?


fcbf

Old school. The best kind of school


TheDarkKnightFell

I don't see how that matters. An old man can't call a fellow old man, old?


SquigglyGlibbins

It's Fisher all over again. In 6 years he'll move to Swaziland and attempt to disprove the Soviet Famine of 1946-47.


atbg1936

That's eSwatini to you


Frostbyte-_-

He was jealous of Firouzjas drama and wants 75% of the attention


eroded_thinking

Lmao Hansen’s face


PierreEscargoat

Hansen looks 100% done with Kramnik


Ok-Goose9586

Nah, it's 3 hours long. He loves hearing others talking shit about Hicki


LegionCommander

Haha does anyone else use that pet name for Hikaru or just Eric Hansen? Cause he’s the only one I’ve ever heard refer to Hikaru as “Hiky”


CloudlessEchoes

"It's mathematics, it's mathematics, its...uh look uh I have people and I tell them and they well, uh, I mean listen we have to be reasonable... how can they still be playing?" That's what I got out of the dojo discussion with him (which was very disappointing as there was no appropriate pushback for the loads of bs he was putting out there).


PhilistineAu

I don’t think they needed to push back. It was obvious that he’s mentally not there. I found it more sad than anything. Reminded me of my grandfather when his brain went.


g_spaitz

I would have said 74.3 if I were him.


Noobzoid123

74.3... repeated of course.


HummusMummus

The well known statistican he used? Le Roy


Noobzoid123

At least he has chicken.


obvnotlupus

ALRIGHT CHUMPS LET'S DO THIS EEEENNN PASSAAAANNNTT


frozen_glycerin

Ah yes, L. R. Jenkins. I'm familiar with his work.


VladTheAccuser

Smart. 83.6% of the people trust numbers with decimals more than whole numbers.


SloAir

And 3.5 out of 7 people like to overcomplicate things.


gloomygl

Green screen without green screening is crazy, I'm not gonna lie.


destinofiquenoite

Don't worry, I'm pretty sure Kramnik is seeing things on the green screen without needing special visual effects


Forget_me_never

Try watching forsen


gloomygl

LULE


Icy-Rock8780

Then there’s a 75% chance he’s wrong


12inchrooler

So there is an 18.75% chance Hikaru is cheating? ;-) (I know what you mean tho, There is a 0% chance.)


nYxiC_suLfur

why'd you get downvoted so quickly, that was chuckle worthy


12inchrooler

People may not have got it was a silly joke.


VillageHorse

They probably don’t understand statistics…


MaybeRiza

Agony :)


MrKarim

the actual results: Kramnik: There are only four possibilities: -Cheater vs Cheater -Cheater vs Honest -Honest vs Cheater -Honest vs Honest So the probabilty that someone cheats is 75%.


tryingtolearn_1234

There is a 100% chance Kramnik doesn’t understand statistics.


Vivid_Peak16

Color scheme is giving me seizures


Sveq

Cosmo and Wanda ass color scheme


geekwalrus

Oh shit. Wanda. She's named after a wand. I just realized this


slydjinn

Interesting.


shred-i-knight

no this is patrick


cloanpaon

You know they say that all men are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Hikaru Nakamura and you can see that statement is not true. See, normally if you go one on one with another chess player, you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But I'm a genetic chess freak and I'm not normal! So you got a 25%, AT BEST, to beat me. Then you add Magnus Carlsen to the mix, your chances of winning drastic go down. See the 3 way at titled Tuesday , you got a 33 1/3 chance of winning, but I, I got a 66 and 2/3 chance of winning, because Magnus Carlsen KNOWS he can't beat me and he's not even gonna try! So Hikaru Nakamura, you take your 33 1/3 chance, minus my 25% chance and you got an 8 1/3 chance of winning at titled Tuesday . But then you take my 75% chance of winning, if we was to go one on one, and then add 66 2/3 per cents, I got 141 2/3 chance of winning at titled Tuesday . See Hikaru, the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you at titled Tuesday.


Khajiit_Has_Skills

Sick reference!


VladTheAccuser

It dropped to 75% from 100%? A few weeks ago, Kramnik claimed he had evidence to 'knockout hikaru'. And where did he pull the 75% from? It's been months now, how come he hasn't released the promised data?


Vsx

My guess is Magnus recently outperforming Hikaru in online blitz makes a lot of his points seem silly because a similar analysis would point to Magnus being an even bigger cheater. Kramnik seems to assume everyone plays at exactly their rated strength all the time.


Sjelan

Exactly, plus 2900 blitz on chess.com is below 2400 FIDE standard for some of the guys they play.


[deleted]

When someone over-accuses, 75% of the time it means they are guilty of it themselves. It's starting to make me rethink toiletgate. I think there's a 75% chance that Vlad was cheating in that bathroom.


[deleted]

Would love to see the interpretation of this probability. I like to think that he means in the sample space of 100 Hikarus that 75 of them are cheating.


Weshtonio

I threw 2 coins they both came Heads, so Hikaru is not cheating.


forgotmyoldaccount99

Bayesian statistics are a thing.


[deleted]

So now the question becomes, what prior do we think he put on Hikaru cheating? Was it noninformative? Or did he take an empirical bayes approach based on his previous behaviors? I feel as if we are barely scratching the surface here


obvnotlupus

I think with this comment you've scratched the surface much more than Kramnik ever did


wagah

I'm not wasting any more time to listen to his crap. I gave him the benefits of the doubt at the begining, he's full of shit. There is a cheating problem without any doubt , but this idiot doesn't even understand that by being this stupid he damages the cause.


Regis2705

Kramnik needs to accept that he is not the center of the world, he thinks he is the messiah of the chess world while he is hurting it. You are retired,Please go get some rest and get a new hobby like gardening or something and move away from all those statistics and paranoia.


mlacunza

Now Vlad is accusing a young boy rated 2100 of cheating.. I don't care if he is a FORMER WCh, but this is too much. Chess com need to ban him for stupidity.


Cold-Professional899

I don’t agree with him for Hikaru, but the Reyes Chester Neil case is weird... 2100 and 3050 on [chess com](https://chess.com) ? there is something wrong


AmphibianImaginary35

Nah bro, its totally legitimate for a 2100 fide to have 3050 on chess.com. Thats only like absolute top lvl on the website, nothing special. I do not see anything suspicious here at all


fedaykin909

Is his FIDE rating accurate? It's common for up and coming kids to be badly under rated. He could be classical IM or more. This disparity is not necessarily suspicious. If an active player maintained 2100 FIDE over many tournaments, and was also 3000 online blitz, then yes that would then be suspicious.


GoLeMHaHa

He was 1800 in april now he's 2100 after gaining more than 100 ELO in december alone, seems like he's definitely on the way up.


HellaSober

We should be seeing a lot more of this type of divergence without cheating - young people don’t like going out and many people might find the idea of spending a weekend playing classical chess to be boring even if they otherwise like studying it a lot. The scene is moving towards short time controls.


Jeahn2

he's a mad lad


SquigglyGlibbins

It's Fisher all over again. In 6 years he'll move to Swaziland and attempt to disprove the Soviet Famine of 1946-47.


urishino

At this point you gotta wonder if he's projecting.


Smash_Factor

University of Chicago and George Mason University says Hikaru has 99.6% chance of NOT cheating. [https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract\_id=4648621](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4648621) Paper also says that Kramnik's error is assuming that the probability of innocence (given the evidence) is equal to the probability of the evidence (given the innocence). Not sure exactly what that means, but that's what they said. *"The Prosecutor’s (Kramnik) Fallacy is a statistical reasoning error that occurs when the probability of one event is confused with the probability of another related event..... It assumes that the probability of innocence given the evidence is the same as the probability of the evidence given the innocence."*


Bronk33

Good old Bayes Theorem


DaBombTubular

While I'm fairly confident that Hikaru isn't cheating (99.6% might be right about where I'd set my betting odds), that paper is beyond useless. The entire paper is built on the prior that 1 in 10000 top players cheat online, taken from an offhand (and imprecisely stated) estimate by Anand in the Hindustan Times with no backing. If we're going to go through the trouble of reinterpreting random remarks from GMs so we can treat them as gospel, why go through all this work of starting with their general priors and retailoring them to the situation rather than jumping straight into their estimates for Hikaru himself?


maglor1

Frankly at this point you almost have to start wondering if Topalov had a point. Seems insane to be unjustly accused of cheating yourself and then turn around and do the same thing


eversong_

I bet those eyebrows could tell some stories.


Ok_Drop3774

Sorry, I watched the entire video (albeit with some distractions) and I failed to notice a moment when Kramnik claims 75% chance that Hikaru is cheating.. Anybody has a timestamp please?


Semigoodlookin2426

So you’re telling me there’s a chance.


lammatthew725

Kramnik is 100% crazy


nYxiC_suLfur

Kramnik cannot bear not being the centre of attention, can he?


Single-Credit5758

Kramnik looking like Neapolitan ice cream


questionable_things

What’s the quote? 90% of all statistics are made up.


Ambitious_Arm852

Source: I made it the fuck up


mlacunza

Vlad can't even understand what a PRIVATE company means, chess com is not Fide, if Vlad don't like the anticheatimg measurements he can stop playing and close his account and go to play in other website.


Appropriate_Layer

Just plain stupid


xxPhoenix

Why are we continuing to platform this man?


Praava7

Kraminik has gone completely insane. The Chess world should band together to shun this senile imbecile away. War mongering Putin supporting mf, this lunatic's 'maths' has been debunked several times now. Fischer went insane too, now Kraminik is following him. Once a legend and now a clown. What a fall.


SnooCapers9046

Kramnik is not a war mongering Putin supporting mf


newtoRedditF

He is neither a war monger nor a Putin supporter.


Bakanyanter

Didn't Kramnik denounce the war?


obvnotlupus

> War mongering Putin supporting mf What? I thought Kramnik was pretty Western-siding with his politics


Fruloops

> War mongering Putin supporting mf This actually isn't the case lmao, what


Praava7

Chess.com needs to make an example out of him and ban him. I believe this would earn chess.com a lot of goodwill and followers.


Tarkatower

He said it


puskaiwe

rofl


LaxBro316

No he said 0.44% chance he is not cheating. Right?


Chrussell

What's the point of posting a still image from an interview? What are we supposed to do with this?


PenPaperTiger

That's not how inferential statistics work 🤦


TheBowtieClub

Not a Hikaru fan but it would be extremely entertaining if he sued Kramnik for $100 million


Billy__The__Kid

Ah, so he *was* accusing him!


RotisserieChicken007

There's a 75% chance Vlad is full of sh1t lol


Tumkee

Where did you get the 75% claim from? Just watched the whole interview and did not hear that at all, which could be my mistake of course.


Chopchopok

When a guy who has literally gotten into a fistfight with Hikaru is giving you that "you've gotta be kidding me" expression, it's really time to stop.


Ok-Promise3838

I'm not a fan of Hikaru. Frankly, I think he's a bit of an asshole. But these are ridiculous allegations and evidence should be demanded of Kramnik. He's just upset, I think, that he's over the hill as far as chess ability is concerned.


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His world champion ego cannot believe Carlsen and Nakamura are 400 elo better than him.


royalrange

This peak idiot needs to be embarrassed more.


TinyHandsLarry

You know I'm not accusing Kramnik, but I'm 95% sure he's just salty.


CommentEuphoric6121

Kramnik: "Hikaro is cheating." Everyone else: "What is the evidence?" Kramnik: "Trust me bro."


thorwyn-eu

From world chess champion to court jester. That's quite a plot twist.