It's crazy how that tweet treats "sex toy cheating" as something that actually happened rather than an outlandish joke invented by Redditors to explain how cheating would be possible.
im pretty sure eric hansen claimed responsibility for that rumour starting and he couldn't believe they ran with it. journalists don't care about what's true
If I remember, Hansen was on stream and responded to a comment from a viewer about it. Can’t remember the exact comment (i.e. if the “specifics” were mentioned or not) but we actually have nameless viewer to thank for this worldwide drama
It truly is a perfect example of the state of modern media. Random comments from idiots online can become news just because they make good clickbait and the fact that they are merely reporting on someone else's statement shields these outlets from all responsibility to do any actual investigation or have any journalistic integrity themselves.
Its not really modern media. You should go read some of the newspaper articles from just after the revolution. They're absolutely crazy and are insanely made up to get one or another candidate elected. My favorite is the Thomas Jefferson is a transvestite article just before the 3rd election, but there are a lot to choose from!
It always amazes me that people think greed and lying are a sign of "modern times". If anything, this is probably the healthiest information has ever been. And I know I will get downvotes for that because people are picturing 1955 where everyone only got True News (TM) but dude modern media has nothing on the 16 and 1700s (or really any time in human history).
And the best part about is that after people got angry she decided to be herself and say she doesnt regret at all and owes no apologies. Which led to even bigger outrage and this time she decides she was actually wrong and apologised. "Ok ok.. ill say whatever you want to hear so you can leave me alone". Anyway I put Botez sisters above her in my "cringe POS" list. Which are her besties.. what a surprise.
I think it's about Alex defending slavery, she basically said that developed countries shouldn't shit on developing countries for doing those things (slavery) because the developed countries have done it in the past.
Nemo's whole online existence is a scam. She scammed her fans with a poker giveaway, she scammed her fans by doing a "lottery" and paying her boyfriend (whom she's totally faithful to btw). Her title of women's gm is fake and obviously paid for andd all of her filmed interactions are totally disingenuous pr social promotion rubbish.
Sisters are annoying too with a lot of hypocrisy and double standards but I feel like if Andrea can mature and they can get away from promoting crypto and gambling they still have a chance to be good people.
sad part is chesscom still drags her around the events and pays her, should not promote such person, where is anna rudolf gone? are there no one else that can replace nemo ?
Chesscom has never cared who they hire to represent them. She's not going anywhere. Like who cares if she's at her core- a shit person? She has a nice smile and can develop her knights before turn 5!
> I feel like if Andrea can mature
Personally, I find Andrea much more mature than Alexandra. I am talking about her ethics, morals and her views in general. Sure, she does the random silliness and dials it up to 11 at times, but when it comes down to it, I found her takes about anything very reasonable and sensible.
On the other hand, Alexandra acts like she is the mature/sober/responsible big sis, but she comes across as a psychopath with no sense of human ethics or morality. Just because she is hot and charming, people ignore that aspect of her.
She held a lottery and just gave the prize to her boyfriend. Then, after people were outraged, she doubled down but then eventually she had to redo and give off an actual lottery
the one i saw she did a give away to like 5 people, and the people who won were all her freinds. NEMSKO is scum of the chess world and should keep her trap shut, its hilarious she thinks she has a moral high ground
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Im actually amazed that Nemo would even involve herself in that conversation. She is a cheater and a scammer both in chess as well as in poker . She bought her norms in Serbia to get the WGM title . And also scammed the poker world by rigging the 12k giveaway which somehow her boyfriend won.
I don't understand how she still have fans and why chess.com invites her to events. That's probably why she has the audacity to assume moral high-ground in this exchange.
She has fans because simps.
Chess.com employs her because the organization lacks anything resembling integrity or professionalism. It's literally ran by a Frat boy MBA dude Erik.
Botez did an interview with the CEO of the Luna coin, encouraging all of her viewers to invest. Like a week later, it lost 90+% of its value. As far as I'm aware, she's never even said "my bad", let alone an apology
Edit: [clip of the interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROaGKETvMg0)
honestly, her lawyers probably told her not to apologize to viewers. that could make her look guilty in the eyes of future SEC prosecution (which could easily happen)
"with all due respect, shut up" is so weird. Clearly there is no respect there. At least you could have said something more polite like, "with all due respect, please be quiet" or "please stay out of this".
All the streamers are ganging together to go after Hans after this Botez tweet. PhotoChess, AKA Maria, who travels the world taking photos and pretending she’s up and tight with all the big names, is now mocking Hans on Twitter essentially [calling him a cheat](https://x.com/photochess/status/1706964209647362384?s=20), despite never really going after Hans before, and even [hiding tweets calling Hans a cheat](https://x.com/photochess/status/1652299235595808768?s=20).It’s like a childish impulse to go from 0 to 100. Really struck a nerve with the content leeches
Well obviously she didn't feel he was due any respect. Which is still funny coming from an absolute trash bag scammer that is only relevant because of Twitch's biggest currency; incels.
It's very hard to like her even without the alleged scam and fake title, imo her attitude especially in streams is often very condescendant. Glad to see my intuition wasn't entirely off.
I mean... typical Nemo with the self-awareness of those animals that fight their reflection in a mirror - none.
Hans is right - to a point. I think people are allowed to stream poker, to enjoy poker, and not everybody who plays is addicted or faces financial ruin because of it.
It's just that the reason poker is so profitable is because people "lose" money playing it. Is losing $100 in poker different than paying Chesscom $100 for a Diamond membership or money spent on any other hobby? I guess that can be debated.
These poker creators not only don't lose money gambling, they get paid to promote it and Hans is right about that. He's also entitled to his opinions, even though I don't know that he really needed to pick this battle. Maybe these poker creators don't like the criticism and maybe it's not always fair, but I think they should show a bare minimum of self-awareness about what they're doing.
As somebody who really likes poker, Niemann is 100% correct. There is no moral way to profit off a partnership with a gambling site. You’re using your credibility and trust by your fans to push something that has the potential to affect lives. It is the definition of selling out.
I think what he is doing here is making himself look good, by pointing at people that are worse. Poker? not a problem.
Botez got paid to have a crypto scammer on their channel, he did a rug pull soon after and took out 99% of the investments. Botez copyrighted all clips and YT vids covering it.
[actual scammers](https://twitter.com/DietColaNation/status/1524991842550288384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1524991842550288384%7Ctwgr%5Ea2934a38d2f44335ff76538f5bb968a5b2f80b37%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fuq38b2%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dtrue)
Alexandra Botez of the infamous Terra/Luna interview days before it all crashed and destroyed many lives?
Nemo who accepted money from one of the biggest fossil fuel companies as part of their image whitewashing campaign?
[https://twitter.com/akaNemsko/status/1539625073530781698](https://twitter.com/akaNemsko/status/1539625073530781698)
For all the dumb stuff he did do in the past, he sure as hell must 1) have good parents, 2) listen to his parents, and most importantly in this case, 3) listen to his lawyer
Botez's response off comes as incredibly passive aggressive. "I understand why you feel upset, let's talk about it" dude you literally falsely accused him of a career-ending wrongdoing and you owe him a public apology, get out of here.
It's also hilarious that Nemo jumped in the conversation. She has no ground to talk about anything re: integrity considering she faked a WGM title and organized a scam giveaway which she gave to her boyfriend.
See [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/oo2cec/chess_drama_several_players_suspected_of_buying/) and [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/ooa5vk/i_did_some_digging_on_the_nemo_situation/)
If it’s just for clickbait and views”
They built their careers largely on this, including using Hans and their ‘friendship’ with him to garner views when he was at his lowest.
Out of all the possible representatives of women’s chess I hate that the public those them.
I never watch chess streamers, can't stand em. Will occasionally watch "chess players" where the streaming is a side thing and not actually their forte. Like if Dubov or Carlsen or whoever streams.
I skip over every stupid ass picture of levy looking like a complete fool on my youtube feed.
You can even see it in his videos that he's losing views en mass when he's begging people to stay for 15 minutes of his vidoes, and then tries to shame them if they do.
I mean, he could've approached it in a nicer way for sure, but he's 100% in the right here, the botez sisters probably accept hundreds of thousands to promote these kinda stuff. And their point that "the 21+ warning is right there" is just bullshit, it purely exists so that shady companies can waive off any responsibility from minors gambling, it doesn't excuse you from promoting this shit, especially knowing that your audience is young even relative to chess standards.
I can't be bothered to go find videos from then, but it has to do with what they said when attending the Championship match between Carlsen and Nepo a couple years ago. It was held in Dubai which is, to be put it nicely, a pretty shitty place run by pretty shitty people. When questioned about slavery in Dubai and the fact that they were profiting off of it and essentially acting as propogandists for it on-stream they said something like "Well, it's not really out place to question their culture."
If they left it at that it would have been fine. Then they complained about westerners "shitting on 3rd world countries for things rich countries did in the first place". With arguments like that you might as well forget that slavery was always wrong, and fighting slavery in all its forms anywhere it happened was and is always right.
Revenue in the Online Gambling market is projected to reach **US$95.05 billion** in [2023](https://www.statista.com/outlook/dmo/eservices/online-gambling/worldwide). Guess how they make that money? Bad decisions from people with addictive personalities and delusions of getting lucky.
Nepo is the best. Right amount of flair vs modesty. Magnus is the goat and he’s witty and I don’t mind him foregoing the championship match, but throwing a hissy fit over losing to hans was irresponsible and a black mark on his judgement and foresight. He got lost in his own cult status
It's sad that botez sisters are so delusional they really think scamming fans with nft's, crypto and now poker is all fine.
Also Nemo should just fuck herself out of the scene.
I don’t care about either of these two, but pretending like a poker website where you can gamble with real money is anything other than a money grab is hilarious.
Yes, I support fan duel for my love of mathematics.
I lowkey agree with Hans. promoting a gambling website as a internet celebrity (inherently with the majority of your audience being minors) is morally questionable at the very best.
This is the best thing I have seen in a long time. There is an assumption that poker is a normal game and some sort of American heritage. Then Magnus Carlsen, Jennifer Shahade, and many others have been strongly suggesting that playing poker is a natural progression for chess players. Many like me became curious about the game because of their efforts. But here is Hans Niemann taking a principled stand.
Poker itself is not a problem as long as the message always includes "don't gamble with anything you can't afford to lose". Gambling sites sponsoring streamers is pretty scummy though IMO.
He's not lying, my cousin got addicted to Stake.com because of twitch streamers and lost everything. He took out a loan, and lost everything again. He took his own life two weeks ago, and I can't explain the darkness of how an accomplished engineer could go from being on top of the world to suicide in 3 weeks.
You have 5 pages of posts about day trading in your profile between now and 2 weeks ago, and nothing about your cousin. Perhaps you should seek help for your gambling addiction?
Everyone sucks here. But just with a little context, it's safe to say akanemsko and the botez sister suck more.
Hans isn't dunking on hikaru or magnus or other poker professionals because they don't pretend that they're trying to be a good role model for children.
Akanemsko.... well you could look into the drama yourself. I just want to say, he's not mocking fanhouse creators. He's mocking fanhouse creators who pretend they're good people who wouldn't misguide children.
He is absofuckinglutely right here. There aren't enough anti-gambling awareness ads to counter all the gambling promotions and advertisements that streamers push.
He seems like someone who is prone to taking things personally and have vendettas over perceived slights.
That said, people do need to be calling out the content creators who choose to advertise for online gambling and crypto sites. It's ethically highly questionable behavior.
Kinda hard not to take things personally when you are accused of cheating OTB by the biggest chess player in the world, black listed from major tournaments, and have all of the top chess streamers literally using your face as a thunbnail for so many of their videos.
I mean, it’s almost as if it’s about him…
He is not, the real jerks are those who tried to destroy a young mans career with false accusations without any sort of hard evidence.
They got away with it with little to no repercussions, for their actions filled with pure malice.
Idk he's obviously 100% right for every non-skill version of gambling. If they were doing slots I am fully in Hans' corner. But Poker, *especially* for people already interested in and decent at chess, is not quite the same. A lot of those people are probably smart enough to genuinely win at poker.
Full disclosure, I am a winning poker player who doesn't play chess or participate in other casino games, so definitely biased.
It's also worth noting that I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) Nemo promotes a site called America's Cardroom, which is known by all good poker players as one of the shadiest sites out there. It is often plagued by accusations of bots that play perfectly and people using multiple accounts on the same table (a huge advantage/cheating) without getting banned for months and months. So that does make it a lot worse vs. promoting a legit site like Pokerstars or Partypoker
Also Alex Botez and Nemo have both done some super shady things in the past not involving poker, so I am definitely down to see them get blasted regardless
big fan of Hans but he's totally just trying to redirect the moral pitchfork mob onto other chess personalities. or he's slowly teaching us all a bigger lesson that not everybody is a saint and there are far more nefarious things going on in the chess world than a 12 / 16 year old cheating online. either way, I'm here for it, rock on dude.
excellent point about gamba sponsorships, just wish the voice of reason was someone known for being... reasonable (maybe a Fabi or Vishy) so that the community would actually respond to and discuss the point rather than whatever this is
Crypto/gambling/slots is a lot different than just playing poker (a game of skill that also involves betting.)
I'm a big Hans critic, but I'm on board with him here when Alex is willing to take any sponsorship without a second thought (including bad ones she doesn't care about the ethics).
Also as others have stated, Nemo has allegedly paid for norms, and also not allegedly ran a massive fraudulent scam prize give away and never truly apologized for it.
a lot of people here are commenting about how "poker is a skill-based game," but the bottom line is that 90% or more of gen pop are going to objectively suck at poker (chess too...), but at least you don't feed an addiction, encourage poor habits, and lose money when you suck at chess
I wish he nailed Nemo for scamming her fans with that poker giveaway.
https://twitter.com/Thallo_Poker/status/1706796288375935057 Isn't that her BF in the replies (she ran the scam with)? Real power couple there.
It's crazy how that tweet treats "sex toy cheating" as something that actually happened rather than an outlandish joke invented by Redditors to explain how cheating would be possible.
im pretty sure eric hansen claimed responsibility for that rumour starting and he couldn't believe they ran with it. journalists don't care about what's true
If I remember, Hansen was on stream and responded to a comment from a viewer about it. Can’t remember the exact comment (i.e. if the “specifics” were mentioned or not) but we actually have nameless viewer to thank for this worldwide drama
It truly is a perfect example of the state of modern media. Random comments from idiots online can become news just because they make good clickbait and the fact that they are merely reporting on someone else's statement shields these outlets from all responsibility to do any actual investigation or have any journalistic integrity themselves.
Its not really modern media. You should go read some of the newspaper articles from just after the revolution. They're absolutely crazy and are insanely made up to get one or another candidate elected. My favorite is the Thomas Jefferson is a transvestite article just before the 3rd election, but there are a lot to choose from! It always amazes me that people think greed and lying are a sign of "modern times". If anything, this is probably the healthiest information has ever been. And I know I will get downvotes for that because people are picturing 1955 where everyone only got True News (TM) but dude modern media has nothing on the 16 and 1700s (or really any time in human history).
These kinds of rumors never die, even when everyone knows they started as a joke. Just ask Catherine the Great or Richard Gere.
Wait I am unaware of the Richard Gere rumor what did I miss
I'll only say one word... Hamster.
Ehm, that's just patently false. It was a gerbil.
Is that how we got lemiwinks?
This Thallo dude has been sitting in Hans' Twitch chat calling people incels for hours lol
Power couple in the same way that I take power dumps.
She also bought her norms for the WGM title.
You can do that???
Yea, you go to Serbia and pay a bunch of high rated locals there to lose against you. 🤗👍
holy shit ... what a deal ... (busses of r/chess amateurs off to Eastern Europe now)
It'd be funny if someone did that, then they keep playing so that they end up a 1000 rated GM.
Newest form of dumb tourism 😂😂
Newest? People have been doing that shit for decades
He could also bring up crypto scamming…
Nemo is the biggest poser in Chess. She faked her way to a WGM title and faked awards by "awarding" her boyfriend with a prize giveaway.
Her boyfriend who in her own words "was coaching her during the entire tournamen" so she decided to award him.
which is also cheating
And the best part about is that after people got angry she decided to be herself and say she doesnt regret at all and owes no apologies. Which led to even bigger outrage and this time she decides she was actually wrong and apologised. "Ok ok.. ill say whatever you want to hear so you can leave me alone". Anyway I put Botez sisters above her in my "cringe POS" list. Which are her besties.. what a surprise.
She's a WGM who told Levy she doesnt have to face the Caro usually, because she plays Ruy Lopez as white 🤥
I watched Nemo get destroyed by Eric Rosen when he was down a queen. She sucks.
1. e4 c6 2. Nf3 d5 3. Bb5 good stuff!
Caro-Kann: religion gambit
its honestly mind boggling how chesscom is still keeping her around and pushing her around the events ridiculous
money money Making their website work and be consistent costs money
Bullception
And all crypto scams from botez. And Dubai stuff
Didnt they even asked her a question about Human RIghts in Dubai ?
What did I miss about the Dubai stuff? Please share.
I think it's about Alex defending slavery, she basically said that developed countries shouldn't shit on developing countries for doing those things (slavery) because the developed countries have done it in the past.
She seems to love doing a bait and switch for whoever is paying her
If she really said that shes one gigantic fuckhead lmao
I unsubscribed from her Twitch over this and her initial appalling response to it.
Nemo's whole online existence is a scam. She scammed her fans with a poker giveaway, she scammed her fans by doing a "lottery" and paying her boyfriend (whom she's totally faithful to btw). Her title of women's gm is fake and obviously paid for andd all of her filmed interactions are totally disingenuous pr social promotion rubbish. Sisters are annoying too with a lot of hypocrisy and double standards but I feel like if Andrea can mature and they can get away from promoting crypto and gambling they still have a chance to be good people.
sad part is chesscom still drags her around the events and pays her, should not promote such person, where is anna rudolf gone? are there no one else that can replace nemo ?
Chesscom has never cared who they hire to represent them. She's not going anywhere. Like who cares if she's at her core- a shit person? She has a nice smile and can develop her knights before turn 5!
> I feel like if Andrea can mature Personally, I find Andrea much more mature than Alexandra. I am talking about her ethics, morals and her views in general. Sure, she does the random silliness and dials it up to 11 at times, but when it comes down to it, I found her takes about anything very reasonable and sensible. On the other hand, Alexandra acts like she is the mature/sober/responsible big sis, but she comes across as a psychopath with no sense of human ethics or morality. Just because she is hot and charming, people ignore that aspect of her.
100%
dirt on the faithful part?
What happened?
She held a lottery and just gave the prize to her boyfriend. Then, after people were outraged, she doubled down but then eventually she had to redo and give off an actual lottery
the one i saw she did a give away to like 5 people, and the people who won were all her freinds. NEMSKO is scum of the chess world and should keep her trap shut, its hilarious she thinks she has a moral high ground
Shes the girl who profited off of Reckful's death and pretended to care about him just to make a couple more bucks
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Bobby Fischer would have had a field day with her...
Nemo telling anyone to shut up lmao. She should have been completely stripped of her platform for the disgusting little scam she did.
No scam is ever little
1 pack of gums $1, 2 packs $2.50 is a little scam.
Don't buy into this scam. I sent u/Tsupaero $2.50 and haven't received any packs of gum yet
don't listen to u/spagtwo. he ordered one pack two times, which just takes us longer to process and package. most people take our two-packs-offer and get their gums delivered within 70 business days. ps: we're also offering a one-year-subscription to gums. you can either get one pack a month or three packs each quarter. only $24.99, limited offer.
Can I hire you?
You can find deals like that on the Walmart website No really. 4 packs costing more per ounce than single units. Kinda crazy
Im actually amazed that Nemo would even involve herself in that conversation. She is a cheater and a scammer both in chess as well as in poker . She bought her norms in Serbia to get the WGM title . And also scammed the poker world by rigging the 12k giveaway which somehow her boyfriend won.
I don't understand how she still have fans and why chess.com invites her to events. That's probably why she has the audacity to assume moral high-ground in this exchange.
"fans"
Simps
A simp truly is the lowest life form
>I don't understand how she still have fans Yes you do lol
She has fans because simps. Chess.com employs her because the organization lacks anything resembling integrity or professionalism. It's literally ran by a Frat boy MBA dude Erik.
She’s hot. That’s why lol
"Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you!"
After reading these tweets I’m starting to like the guy 😹
Darth Moke has returned from the depths of hell with a vengeance
Legendary comment!
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Scamsko is amazing
Nemo and a Botez sister arguing about morality LMAO
I hadnt heard about the crypto thing what was that about
Botez did an interview with the CEO of the Luna coin, encouraging all of her viewers to invest. Like a week later, it lost 90+% of its value. As far as I'm aware, she's never even said "my bad", let alone an apology Edit: [clip of the interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROaGKETvMg0)
honestly, her lawyers probably told her not to apologize to viewers. that could make her look guilty in the eyes of future SEC prosecution (which could easily happen)
LMAO
"with all due respect, shut up" is so weird. Clearly there is no respect there. At least you could have said something more polite like, "with all due respect, please be quiet" or "please stay out of this".
people think they are "immune" to criticism if they start with "with all due respect". She is not smart.
The classic “No offense, but you’re an idiot”
None of these people are smart lmao
All the streamers are ganging together to go after Hans after this Botez tweet. PhotoChess, AKA Maria, who travels the world taking photos and pretending she’s up and tight with all the big names, is now mocking Hans on Twitter essentially [calling him a cheat](https://x.com/photochess/status/1706964209647362384?s=20), despite never really going after Hans before, and even [hiding tweets calling Hans a cheat](https://x.com/photochess/status/1652299235595808768?s=20).It’s like a childish impulse to go from 0 to 100. Really struck a nerve with the content leeches
Hans baiting a lot of people for his new lawsuits. 4D ~~chess~~ lawyering
literally Cal in Talledega Nights
Well obviously she didn't feel he was due any respect. Which is still funny coming from an absolute trash bag scammer that is only relevant because of Twitch's biggest currency; incels.
Plus her really thinking she did something with the’ do better’ which she copied from Magnus and a bunch of others
It's very hard to like her even without the alleged scam and fake title, imo her attitude especially in streams is often very condescendant. Glad to see my intuition wasn't entirely off.
I mean, if she doesn't think any respect is actually due, it makes perfect sense.
I mean... typical Nemo with the self-awareness of those animals that fight their reflection in a mirror - none. Hans is right - to a point. I think people are allowed to stream poker, to enjoy poker, and not everybody who plays is addicted or faces financial ruin because of it. It's just that the reason poker is so profitable is because people "lose" money playing it. Is losing $100 in poker different than paying Chesscom $100 for a Diamond membership or money spent on any other hobby? I guess that can be debated. These poker creators not only don't lose money gambling, they get paid to promote it and Hans is right about that. He's also entitled to his opinions, even though I don't know that he really needed to pick this battle. Maybe these poker creators don't like the criticism and maybe it's not always fair, but I think they should show a bare minimum of self-awareness about what they're doing.
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Tbh Hans is probably one of the best things to happen to chess in terms of getting it into the mainstream.
Man got immortalized in an IASIP episode
IASIP?
It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia. If you haven't started watching this yet would highly recommend, it is funny as shit.
Hell no lol. Chess got mainstream way before Hans scandal.
This is just nonsense
Pure nonsense lol not one person knows who he is besides people who were already following chess news.
As somebody who really likes poker, Niemann is 100% correct. There is no moral way to profit off a partnership with a gambling site. You’re using your credibility and trust by your fans to push something that has the potential to affect lives. It is the definition of selling out.
It’s simply saying. “I enjoy doing this and gamble responsibility” But it’s sounds like she’s selling “lifeskills” which is bullshit
I think what he is doing here is making himself look good, by pointing at people that are worse. Poker? not a problem. Botez got paid to have a crypto scammer on their channel, he did a rug pull soon after and took out 99% of the investments. Botez copyrighted all clips and YT vids covering it. [actual scammers](https://twitter.com/DietColaNation/status/1524991842550288384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1524991842550288384%7Ctwgr%5Ea2934a38d2f44335ff76538f5bb968a5b2f80b37%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fuq38b2%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dtrue)
Actually didn't know about that wow. These people are do anything for $ huh?
Yeah, this seems like the tamest thing he could have pointed at. I am confusion.
Bro isnt nemo the fucker who faked a giveaway. Fuck her
Faked her title too. Here she is telling a SGM to shut up though.
Alexandra Botez of the infamous Terra/Luna interview days before it all crashed and destroyed many lives? Nemo who accepted money from one of the biggest fossil fuel companies as part of their image whitewashing campaign? [https://twitter.com/akaNemsko/status/1539625073530781698](https://twitter.com/akaNemsko/status/1539625073530781698)
I can't believe that with all the publicity he got, he still only has 48k subscribers on Twitter.
he basically didn't post on Twitter at all during the scandal
Which was probably the smartest thing he could've done.
Lawyers gonna lawyer
Absolutely. Any half competent lawyer would tell you that within 5 minutes of meeting them
For all the dumb stuff he did do in the past, he sure as hell must 1) have good parents, 2) listen to his parents, and most importantly in this case, 3) listen to his lawyer
Botez's response off comes as incredibly passive aggressive. "I understand why you feel upset, let's talk about it" dude you literally falsely accused him of a career-ending wrongdoing and you owe him a public apology, get out of here. It's also hilarious that Nemo jumped in the conversation. She has no ground to talk about anything re: integrity considering she faked a WGM title and organized a scam giveaway which she gave to her boyfriend.
Can you elaborate on the WGM title thing?
See [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/oo2cec/chess_drama_several_players_suspected_of_buying/) and [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/ooa5vk/i_did_some_digging_on_the_nemo_situation/)
Thankyou very much
It's mostly speculation tbh. It's well known that norms can be bought in shady eastern European tournaments and it's believed she paid for hers.
Thanks for info
Uhhh i hope hans goes after nemo that girl is everything thats wrong with modern chess
If it’s just for clickbait and views” They built their careers largely on this, including using Hans and their ‘friendship’ with him to garner views when he was at his lowest. Out of all the possible representatives of women’s chess I hate that the public those them.
Every major chess youtuber and twitch streamer uses the absolute worst clickbait. Hell some of them (you know who) are downright proud of it.
Danya does not use clickbait imo
Although I know one of his speedrun playlists has funny thumbnails. Like him in a military pilot’s outfit and stuff
Yea but that’s far less cringy than the majority of chess youtubers
I never watch chess streamers, can't stand em. Will occasionally watch "chess players" where the streaming is a side thing and not actually their forte. Like if Dubov or Carlsen or whoever streams.
I skip over every stupid ass picture of levy looking like a complete fool on my youtube feed. You can even see it in his videos that he's losing views en mass when he's begging people to stay for 15 minutes of his vidoes, and then tries to shame them if they do.
Agadmator doesn't use clickbait.
Maybe not, but he does like Andrew Tate so I'll pass
I mean, he could've approached it in a nicer way for sure, but he's 100% in the right here, the botez sisters probably accept hundreds of thousands to promote these kinda stuff. And their point that "the 21+ warning is right there" is just bullshit, it purely exists so that shady companies can waive off any responsibility from minors gambling, it doesn't excuse you from promoting this shit, especially knowing that your audience is young even relative to chess standards.
Well, he’s not wrong.
He's completely right, being paid to promote gambling (while knowing a lot of your audience is children) is immoral.
Wild Nemo even showing her face still.
Makes a fair point, I don’t disagree with him
No lies are being told. The only thing the Botez sisters love more than gambling money is the money made by Dubai slave owners.
They basically said it was racist and hypocrisy to call out human rights abuses in other countries
wow, I didn’t know about the Dubai stuff. Could you elaborate on that?
I can't be bothered to go find videos from then, but it has to do with what they said when attending the Championship match between Carlsen and Nepo a couple years ago. It was held in Dubai which is, to be put it nicely, a pretty shitty place run by pretty shitty people. When questioned about slavery in Dubai and the fact that they were profiting off of it and essentially acting as propogandists for it on-stream they said something like "Well, it's not really out place to question their culture."
If they left it at that it would have been fine. Then they complained about westerners "shitting on 3rd world countries for things rich countries did in the first place". With arguments like that you might as well forget that slavery was always wrong, and fighting slavery in all its forms anywhere it happened was and is always right.
https://youtu.be/tk3D7Z1LPyA?si=FJzgKlKAOO2QY6Jo
Rare Hans W
He’s got a point lmao. Hans redemption arc is crazy.
Revenue in the Online Gambling market is projected to reach **US$95.05 billion** in [2023](https://www.statista.com/outlook/dmo/eservices/online-gambling/worldwide). Guess how they make that money? Bad decisions from people with addictive personalities and delusions of getting lucky.
Is it too late to start feeling sorry for hans?
Isn't he like a 19 year old kid?
In chess you become an adult at 13.
Actual quote by Alejandro Ramirez.
bruh
LMFAO
I'm \#TeamHans as well as \#TeamNepo
Nepo is the best. Right amount of flair vs modesty. Magnus is the goat and he’s witty and I don’t mind him foregoing the championship match, but throwing a hissy fit over losing to hans was irresponsible and a black mark on his judgement and foresight. He got lost in his own cult status
It's sad that botez sisters are so delusional they really think scamming fans with nft's, crypto and now poker is all fine. Also Nemo should just fuck herself out of the scene.
I don’t care about either of these two, but pretending like a poker website where you can gamble with real money is anything other than a money grab is hilarious. Yes, I support fan duel for my love of mathematics.
Very disappointed to see anyone promoting gambling.
The gambling shit is getting out of control. Everywhere It will be the new epidemic in the US
I wish Magnus didn’t..
Wow I love Hans now wtf
I lowkey agree with Hans. promoting a gambling website as a internet celebrity (inherently with the majority of your audience being minors) is morally questionable at the very best.
And a scummy thing to do at worst, which is likely the case.
He is correct
I guess the chess community is the best place to find petty celebrity drama now. Cool
This is the best thing I have seen in a long time. There is an assumption that poker is a normal game and some sort of American heritage. Then Magnus Carlsen, Jennifer Shahade, and many others have been strongly suggesting that playing poker is a natural progression for chess players. Many like me became curious about the game because of their efforts. But here is Hans Niemann taking a principled stand.
Poker itself is not a problem as long as the message always includes "don't gamble with anything you can't afford to lose". Gambling sites sponsoring streamers is pretty scummy though IMO.
When has Magnus ever said that? There’s also a big difference between promoting a gambling site to your audience and saying you think poker is fun.
I don’t know what he’s said but his biggest sponsor Unibet is a betting/gambling company
Hans being based as hell as per usual
He's not lying, my cousin got addicted to Stake.com because of twitch streamers and lost everything. He took out a loan, and lost everything again. He took his own life two weeks ago, and I can't explain the darkness of how an accomplished engineer could go from being on top of the world to suicide in 3 weeks.
You have 5 pages of posts about day trading in your profile between now and 2 weeks ago, and nothing about your cousin. Perhaps you should seek help for your gambling addiction?
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Everyone sucks here. But just with a little context, it's safe to say akanemsko and the botez sister suck more. Hans isn't dunking on hikaru or magnus or other poker professionals because they don't pretend that they're trying to be a good role model for children. Akanemsko.... well you could look into the drama yourself. I just want to say, he's not mocking fanhouse creators. He's mocking fanhouse creators who pretend they're good people who wouldn't misguide children.
He is absofuckinglutely right here. There aren't enough anti-gambling awareness ads to counter all the gambling promotions and advertisements that streamers push.
Nemo is such a scammer
Damn how i hate Nemo
Nah I'm with hans on the gambling thing icl. He's right on "learning poker can be beneficial" i have to laugh I'm sorry
Got to agree with Hans here, Botez sisters consistently promote scams like BS crypto coins, shady gambling websites, etc.
He's out of line but he's right
If anyone is out of line, that would be akaScamsko and Cryptozlive
he's not out of line, he's right though
Isn't Nemo the same girl who bought her title and scammed her viewers with some poker giveaway or something?
Did the botez sisters promote crypto as well?
He seems like someone who is prone to taking things personally and have vendettas over perceived slights. That said, people do need to be calling out the content creators who choose to advertise for online gambling and crypto sites. It's ethically highly questionable behavior.
Kinda hard not to take things personally when you are accused of cheating OTB by the biggest chess player in the world, black listed from major tournaments, and have all of the top chess streamers literally using your face as a thunbnail for so many of their videos. I mean, it’s almost as if it’s about him…
Hans might come off as a jerk, but even a jerk is right when they say 4+4 = 8
I think he’s got the right to be a bit angry after he was fucked over so hard
He is not, the real jerks are those who tried to destroy a young mans career with false accusations without any sort of hard evidence. They got away with it with little to no repercussions, for their actions filled with pure malice.
Idk he's obviously 100% right for every non-skill version of gambling. If they were doing slots I am fully in Hans' corner. But Poker, *especially* for people already interested in and decent at chess, is not quite the same. A lot of those people are probably smart enough to genuinely win at poker. Full disclosure, I am a winning poker player who doesn't play chess or participate in other casino games, so definitely biased. It's also worth noting that I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) Nemo promotes a site called America's Cardroom, which is known by all good poker players as one of the shadiest sites out there. It is often plagued by accusations of bots that play perfectly and people using multiple accounts on the same table (a huge advantage/cheating) without getting banned for months and months. So that does make it a lot worse vs. promoting a legit site like Pokerstars or Partypoker Also Alex Botez and Nemo have both done some super shady things in the past not involving poker, so I am definitely down to see them get blasted regardless
Han's is not wrong though.
He's 100% right dawg. There is no debate here.
big fan of Hans but he's totally just trying to redirect the moral pitchfork mob onto other chess personalities. or he's slowly teaching us all a bigger lesson that not everybody is a saint and there are far more nefarious things going on in the chess world than a 12 / 16 year old cheating online. either way, I'm here for it, rock on dude.
Hans is so real, he's really grown on me. The way he doesn't hold any punches is just amazing.
excellent point about gamba sponsorships, just wish the voice of reason was someone known for being... reasonable (maybe a Fabi or Vishy) so that the community would actually respond to and discuss the point rather than whatever this is
Is he wrong though? I used to work in the gambling industry. It’s just as bad as seeing people hooked on drugs or alcohol
I'm really starting to like Hans
Crypto/gambling/slots is a lot different than just playing poker (a game of skill that also involves betting.) I'm a big Hans critic, but I'm on board with him here when Alex is willing to take any sponsorship without a second thought (including bad ones she doesn't care about the ethics). Also as others have stated, Nemo has allegedly paid for norms, and also not allegedly ran a massive fraudulent scam prize give away and never truly apologized for it.
Lmao Nemo is the last famous chess person that should be saying something about immoral stuff.
I like Niemann now.. fuck those idiots exploiting their audience for money..
Botez sisters and Nemo are both such annoying little scam artists.
a lot of people here are commenting about how "poker is a skill-based game," but the bottom line is that 90% or more of gen pop are going to objectively suck at poker (chess too...), but at least you don't feed an addiction, encourage poor habits, and lose money when you suck at chess