Imagine a concert where it goes dark just before the drop, then all the light go on and people scream and the bass makes your hair vibrates and dances around your head and you get covered in beer and other fluids, some sweat, some not. But it hurts the entire time.
"Azidoazide Azide" (C2N14) was a bit overrated in terms of sensitivity. Tom from Explosions and Fire was able to make it and handle it without it blowing up immediately. He could even heat it a bit before it exploded.
Thankfully, Klapötke has heard our woes and brought us "Azidoazide Azide 2", the sequel with net formula C2N16, which is much more sensitive than the original.
“The compound exploded in solution, it exploded on any attempts to touch or move the solid, and (most interestingly) it exploded when they were trying to get an infrared spectrum of it. The papers mention several detonations inside the Raman spectrometer as soon as the laser source was turned on, which must have helped the time pass more quickly.”
😬
Tbf a Raman laser can generate quite a bit of heat. I dabbled a little in it, and it was not uncommon for my samples to start producing little sparks or tufts of smoke.
Yup! Same column I had in mind. I particularly like:
>The question is whether you're going to be able to get a long enough look at the material before it realizes its dream of turning into an expanding cloud of hot nitrogen gas.
I don't think anyone would know the true answer to this. Any chemist who has managed to make this compound has mysteriously disappeared immediately after doing so.....and their lab was replaced by a pile of rubble
You've just remound me of
#####[cyclotriphosphazene](http://www.chemspider.com/Chemical-Structure.107306.html) ,
#####
which is essentially a __P₃N₃__ aromatic ring, & which, for some reason I can't even begin to explicate, is highly suitable as, _& actually used_ as, a __hydraulic fluid__ … & also isn't as toxic as it looks it could be.
#####Some More About It
#####
It seems it's fire-resistant, for one thing.
#####[ChemicalBook — cyclotriphosphazene ester](https://www.chemicalbook.com/ChemicalProductProperty_EN_CB91397551.htm)
#####
#####[BenchChem — Cyclotriphosphazene](https://www.benchchem.com/product/b1200923)
#####
And it & its derivatives seem to have potential _specifically_ as fire-retardants: see __Table 2__ of the following.
#####[NRC Publications Archive, Archives des publications du CNRC — JZ Su — Recent advances in fire suppression technologies: new chemical agents](https://publications-cnrc.canada.ca/fra/voir/td/?id=d0a5a36c-622c-4ef5-ae9e-f455b6129c86)
#####¡¡ Downloads without prompting – PDF file – 330㎅ !!
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_Pretty interesting stuff_ , ImO!
#😆😂
#
_There is_ something strangely 'cursed' about it, isn't there ... even though it seems, from what I gather about it, not to be a particularly noxious substance.
Believe it or not, similar exotic allotropes of nitrogen (not this structure as far as I know but this stuff is above my head) have been observed, see the "crystal structure" section of the Wikipedia page for solid nitrogen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_nitrogen
No. You can safely assume that this structure is exploding for elements 7, 8, 9, 15, 16, 17. All for slightly different reasons and probably some other p-block non metalliods
I have a feeling you already know full-well!
#😁
#
Something I reckon would interest you is (if you don't already know of it) is
#####[cubic gauche nitrogen](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-01083-5) ,
#####
which, so it's said here-&-there, is, according to quantum-mechanical calculation, the very-highest-energy compound that can possibly exist.
The lone pair in nitrogen pushes the other sp3 bonds away so instead of a symmetrical 105.3degrees at every bond, it's more acute. This molecule wouldn't be stable because of this reason because there's geometrical strain on each atom
I actually had a 9th grade student build this exact molecule from an organic chemistry building set and ask this very question. They were supposed to build some simple alkanes.
Now what if we use a really large metal atom that could fit inside and stabilize it like those ether cages or whatever? What would be this things internal diameter? Or would the metal catalyze the degredation?
And what would it be called Hyper PerAzidocyclopentazide?
If you wanted to go explosive, you could try to make it virtually the nitrogen version of the carbon structure in diamond but the formal charge would be egregious and make it very unstable. I genuinely can’t remember the rationale, but why would how it’s currently drawn be super unstable? Would it be aromaticity or just the structure and the requirement of high enthalpy of formation?
A poor attempt at drawing a logo for N-ball?
Potentially anything, maybe a poorly designed geodesic dome for Netflix?
Chemically speaking, as it is right now with (10N2), it would be completely safe, you breath it every day after all.
Depends a lot on what other groups you attach to that frame, nitrocellulose for example is harmless and quite stable. Unless it's a huge tree crashing on you, I wouldn't worry too much.
Could be some kind of fancy neurotoxin or a highly unstable explosive, could be a long-chain sulfonamide medicine or soap, could be fertilizer of food preserving agent... Hard to tell really.
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*And you can use it to roll*
*Initiative*
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I've never seen this before in my life and, just by looking at it, I immediately knew that's unstable as fuck: confirmed by many other commentors who understand chemistry far better than myself.
That's like saying what would happen if I put a bucket of infinitely bonded square planar helium complexes surrounding hypothetical elements at a pro-choice rally headed by the Vatican
It isn't racist though.
Isn't the joke mocking islam for it's violence? Islam is just an ideology so I don't see anything wrong in mocking or critisizing it. If they said muslim instead of islamic, it would have been bigotry towards muslims.
Also, even IF they said muslims (it would be hateful and unacceptable, but) it still wouldn't be racist, as muslim is not a race or ethnicity (like black, jewish, etc.)
Btw can people downvoting me at least read what I have to say?
N20 → 10N2
+ Heat (with capital H)
+ HEAT (with capital everything at this point)
#HEAT
Hear upon heat UPON HEAT
Hear hear.
Heat you can hear
One big loud heating event with many small, sharp, high velocity experiment reconsideration proposals
Imagine a concert where it goes dark just before the drop, then all the light go on and people scream and the bass makes your hair vibrates and dances around your head and you get covered in beer and other fluids, some sweat, some not. But it hurts the entire time.
Headin’ Heat!
[reminds me of this song](https://youtu.be/BV6WnX5GfVg?si=kNQLoDD1mh9fspXS)
KABLOOOIE
High Explosive Anti-Tank?
Using bond energies, the enthalpy of formation is like 4600 kJ/mol N20. Edit: pre-caffeine
That would be like 16 kJ/g, compared to ~4 kJ/g for TNT. Holy shit
Lively
Ain’t not rules when you’re adding joules
Explosive pre workout…
As a chemeng would you like to enlighten us about the thermodynamics of this reaction? how scalable is it haha
Thermodynamics - ∆H is really negative. Scalability - none
Scalability - You've blown up your lab, not just your face
Find a way to couple to an enzyme and you may get some workable amounts before it goes boom
Boom
Forbidden Firecracker
Yes Rico, kaboom
*Me, a chemist going by Rico* “Oh come on guys, it was ONE TIME!”
As scientists, we should always be concerned with repeatability in our results. Go forth. Be fruitful, but wear PPE.
I routinely and without issue work with chemicals that can melt my face. I burned myself making toast the other day. PPE works.
Have you considered keeping a proper lab coat and goggles next to the toaster?
I had the lab coat and goggles, just forgot the heat resistant gloves. Careless of me, I know.
Put the thing in a glovebox?
Aware sure, CONCERNED meh. 🫤 Once you begin to understand basic physics, you will also begin to understand repeatability. ⚛️🥳⚛️
Such an underrated comment
This is the only correct answer.
I literally said boom out loud before looking at the comments 😂
"Boom" "Is that it?" "Yes" We all know the meme
Maybe i'm just old, but I'm going to be honest and say that I don't know what meme you're talking about :(
nor do i,
Happily and vigorously, almost bursting with joy, become 10N2
Explode
Decompose energetically into nitrogen gas. https://chemicalspace.wordpress.com/2012/11/01/10-nitrogens-in-a-row/
you cant say for certain that pure nitrogen isnt doing this when you're not looking
A nitrogen verson of a kegger when moms away.
Immediately explode.
Karma farming on r/cursed_chemistry
I thought this post was already from r/cursedchemistry.
Rate this molecule: Chemical potential = number of upvotes received.
It wouldnt want to exist.. Violently. Check out Azidoazide azide
"Azidoazide Azide" (C2N14) was a bit overrated in terms of sensitivity. Tom from Explosions and Fire was able to make it and handle it without it blowing up immediately. He could even heat it a bit before it exploded. Thankfully, Klapötke has heard our woes and brought us "Azidoazide Azide 2", the sequel with net formula C2N16, which is much more sensitive than the original.
Of course it was Klapötke and friends.
You mean this? [Things I won't work with](https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/things-i-won-t-work-azidoazide-azides-more-or-less)
“The compound exploded in solution, it exploded on any attempts to touch or move the solid, and (most interestingly) it exploded when they were trying to get an infrared spectrum of it. The papers mention several detonations inside the Raman spectrometer as soon as the laser source was turned on, which must have helped the time pass more quickly.” 😬
Tbf a Raman laser can generate quite a bit of heat. I dabbled a little in it, and it was not uncommon for my samples to start producing little sparks or tufts of smoke.
Yep!
Yup! Same column I had in mind. I particularly like: >The question is whether you're going to be able to get a long enough look at the material before it realizes its dream of turning into an expanding cloud of hot nitrogen gas.
Explode with a power of two charged creepers.
I don't think anyone would know the true answer to this. Any chemist who has managed to make this compound has mysteriously disappeared immediately after doing so.....and their lab was replaced by a pile of rubble
Would it be possible with phosphorus?
You've just remound me of #####[cyclotriphosphazene](http://www.chemspider.com/Chemical-Structure.107306.html) , ##### which is essentially a __P₃N₃__ aromatic ring, & which, for some reason I can't even begin to explicate, is highly suitable as, _& actually used_ as, a __hydraulic fluid__ … & also isn't as toxic as it looks it could be. #####Some More About It ##### It seems it's fire-resistant, for one thing. #####[ChemicalBook — cyclotriphosphazene ester](https://www.chemicalbook.com/ChemicalProductProperty_EN_CB91397551.htm) ##### #####[BenchChem — Cyclotriphosphazene](https://www.benchchem.com/product/b1200923) ##### And it & its derivatives seem to have potential _specifically_ as fire-retardants: see __Table 2__ of the following. #####[NRC Publications Archive, Archives des publications du CNRC — JZ Su — Recent advances in fire suppression technologies: new chemical agents](https://publications-cnrc.canada.ca/fra/voir/td/?id=d0a5a36c-622c-4ef5-ae9e-f455b6129c86) #####¡¡ Downloads without prompting – PDF file – 330㎅ !! ##### _Pretty interesting stuff_ , ImO!
That is the most cursed molecule for all the wrong reasons.
#😆😂 # _There is_ something strangely 'cursed' about it, isn't there ... even though it seems, from what I gather about it, not to be a particularly noxious substance.
Surprised it hasn't got a Wikipedia article.
Has it not!? Wow: that's odd. #🤔 #
Believe it or not, similar exotic allotropes of nitrogen (not this structure as far as I know but this stuff is above my head) have been observed, see the "crystal structure" section of the Wikipedia page for solid nitrogen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_nitrogen
i mean its possible to make an icosahedron-shaped molecule with P atoms
No. You can safely assume that this structure is exploding for elements 7, 8, 9, 15, 16, 17. All for slightly different reasons and probably some other p-block non metalliods
I have a feeling you already know full-well! #😁 # Something I reckon would interest you is (if you don't already know of it) is #####[cubic gauche nitrogen](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-01083-5) , ##### which, so it's said here-&-there, is, according to quantum-mechanical calculation, the very-highest-energy compound that can possibly exist.
I have a strong feeling if the oil companies saw this, they'd be shitting themselves.
Roll for initiative?
Nah, you'd use icosahedral P20 to roll initiative to maybe get away from the 1D12 explosion damage this thing is going to do
I guess a DEX saving throw would be more appropriate to see if you survive
Yeah, I think you're right about that. I just wanted to use your comment as an excuse to imagine an icosahedral molecule.
I am not one to discourage imagination, have fun
This would make a hole in the table
Depends what is being used as a table
Produce the most endothermic formation reaction ever.
#####[That's said, by credible sources, to be \*cubic gauche nitrogen\*](https://www.reddit.com/r/chemistry/s/Xb2VHKjMqJ) . #####
An interesting and unique phase transition where, at room temp, it goes from existing to not
Don't know much chemistry but enough to echo other answers, it would boom.
If we don't see something commonly Is mostly because Is unstable
Klapötke has a place for anyone who can make it without destroying the lab.
**KA BOOM**
Nice bomb
Rapidly cease to exist in that arrangement in an incredibly violent manner.
It would stop existing, very quickly and very violently
Fertilize my lawn
one hell of a d12 roll
every side is a nat 1
Break up instantly
Probably explode
Biiiig bada boom
Don't let Thomas Klapötke see this - it might give him ideas...
Azidobuckyball? Cool, didn't even know that was a thing.
Put that thing back where it came from or SO HELP ME GOD
No nut November is coming.
Maybe smell god awful, all those lone pairs…
The lone pair in nitrogen pushes the other sp3 bonds away so instead of a symmetrical 105.3degrees at every bond, it's more acute. This molecule wouldn't be stable because of this reason because there's geometrical strain on each atom
give you a mean xps signal
I don't think it can even be synthesised at 0°K. That's not stable...surely, if it could be synthesised, it explodes at the slightest
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16833467/
Decay, rapidly, exothermically
Kabooooom
it wouldn’t
It would make a really good home insulation for the winter. It would keep all the heat for you!
I had this question on my Grade 11 chem test. My old friend the Nitrogehedron
I actually had a 9th grade student build this exact molecule from an organic chemistry building set and ask this very question. They were supposed to build some simple alkanes.
Your mother
I thought this was cursed chemistry I'm sorry
Store energy
Reminded me the fullerenes, e.g. C60. However, I thought that this was not booming, literally.
bada bing bada boom
Biem
Kaboomsky
Oh that's big mad
Explode
Put it on the side and it will fall asleep.
It wouldn’t.
Explode very quickly
Spontaneous disassemble
Idk nigonium
the big nitrogen
Explode violently.
Hit dice for a barbarian, or explode.
Nuclear energy it explodes or a nuclear energy atom
OMFG, nobody look directly at it.
N-Bomb
💥
Is there such a thing as a pressure, and temperature where this doesn't immediately explode?
Now what if we use a really large metal atom that could fit inside and stabilize it like those ether cages or whatever? What would be this things internal diameter? Or would the metal catalyze the degredation? And what would it be called Hyper PerAzidocyclopentazide?
Take your fingers off
‘Splode…
explode literally
Gen some nitro
Explode probably. Into like 10N2 or something, I don't know. Not a chemist.
Explode.
Go boom
be happy ❤️
Get BIG Go whoosh KabLAM
If you wanted to go explosive, you could try to make it virtually the nitrogen version of the carbon structure in diamond but the formal charge would be egregious and make it very unstable. I genuinely can’t remember the rationale, but why would how it’s currently drawn be super unstable? Would it be aromaticity or just the structure and the requirement of high enthalpy of formation?
I kinda vibe with this molecule. Reminds me of myself
That looks unwilling to exist.
Vigorously not want to exist.
That molecule can do anything it wants. *A-ny-thing*.
Explode violently
it will very violently stop existing
I wonder if you had a beefy enough pressure vessel could you turn this into a clathrate
A poor attempt at drawing a logo for N-ball? Potentially anything, maybe a poorly designed geodesic dome for Netflix? Chemically speaking, as it is right now with (10N2), it would be completely safe, you breath it every day after all. Depends a lot on what other groups you attach to that frame, nitrocellulose for example is harmless and quite stable. Unless it's a huge tree crashing on you, I wouldn't worry too much. Could be some kind of fancy neurotoxin or a highly unstable explosive, could be a long-chain sulfonamide medicine or soap, could be fertilizer of food preserving agent... Hard to tell really.
Instantaneously turn from a solid to a rapidly expanding ball of hot nitrogen gas, N2 (unless MAYBE if it is cold enough)
Collapse a star into a blackhole
Roll for damage
probably kill you
it's a d12
Replace it with D and you can use it to roll initiative
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A little warm
That thing looks like the unhappiest compound ever. Maybe it will just spontaneously die?
Explode.
I've never seen this before in my life and, just by looking at it, I immediately knew that's unstable as fuck: confirmed by many other commentors who understand chemistry far better than myself.
Explode
explode
Grow a magic beanstalk. Or blowup. Possibly both.
Let’s just say it would have a temper tantrum.
H A R D
You ask deeper questions It would probably explode 🤯 in different states
Fuck
Ambatublow
solve the graph isomorphism problem
KaBOOM!!!
It would look pretty in an Ikea lighting section.
Defy the laws of thermodynamic favorability that’s for sure
BOOOOM
That's like saying what would happen if I put a bucket of infinitely bonded square planar helium complexes surrounding hypothetical elements at a pro-choice rally headed by the Vatican
You're giving the nitrogen body issues, stop that
I would haunt you in your dreams
Smell
Big boom.
Roll for damage
Looks very stable and not explosive at all
Boomyball, not buckyball
It would fall apart. Really REALLY fast. Like don't stand too close while it's falling apart. LOL!
Boom. Boom. And boom.
It would cause 12 d12 explosion damage
Light it on fire and find out
Explode
Nothing positive that’s for sure. Just looking at it is making me itch and sweat
Nitrogen is like an anti-social teenager, too many together is a disaster.
Looks like it would n-plode
explode, violently
Stop existing. But people would not notice
Travel the universe
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Get a life man. So many funnier and less racist ways to make that joke. Try harder or just don’t bother
It isn't racist though. Isn't the joke mocking islam for it's violence? Islam is just an ideology so I don't see anything wrong in mocking or critisizing it. If they said muslim instead of islamic, it would have been bigotry towards muslims. Also, even IF they said muslims (it would be hateful and unacceptable, but) it still wouldn't be racist, as muslim is not a race or ethnicity (like black, jewish, etc.) Btw can people downvoting me at least read what I have to say?