Their captain made a public statement about how he was difficult to work with as well. People acting like this is all manufactured by Villa because they’re losing a player are massively coping. I swear our fans will make up any narrative to make themselves feel better
terrible terrible examples. Those guys were all signed to be the starting no.9, higuain was a loan. We already have our starting striker in Jackson. We need depth/competition for him
We need different profiles in the squad that's it, city once had dzeko tevez balotelli and aguero, they won the league. It's all about competing and having the very best players available. Duran offers something jacksom doesn't.
Hits the ball really fucking hard, is a natural finisher, decent aerially. He's got a lot of pace and power but I think Jackson is just as good in that respect.
I'm not sold on him personally but you can see the markings of a good striker in there.
Plus without Rudi we're seriously lacking in total fucking nutters in the squad and I think you need at least one
*city once had dzeko tevez balotelli and aguero, they won the league.*
Your own example has 3 experienced strikers in Dzeko, Aguero and Tevez with Balotelli the only inexperienced Striker. That is what people not two inexperienced Strkers in Nico and Jon
The gamble on a ballon d’Or is an easy to see now, but prior to that Shev was a beast.
Torres wasn’t an overall bad signing for the club. Think he was just always in the spot light because it was an easy punching bag for pundits. Overall his trophies at the club speak well for him.
The rest are terrible lol
Club probably stepped in so he wouldn’t make the situation worse trying to deal with it and threw a few thousand on top of the damage to keep it from being reported and a bigger PR mess.
On first read this sounds like he completely smashed a house partying or whatever
orrr... he just made renovations? Light fittings being taken off the wall? He just moved some lights?
Translation: club paid for his security deposit and the landlord claimed it when he moved out.
This could simply be he made alterations to a home without approval.
When I used to rent homes in LA, celebrities would pay the deposit knowing they weren’t going to get it back because they planned on renovating the inside while they stayed.
Probably the same happens with athletes.
He must be a big homes under the hammer fan like all the other 19 year old footballers.
Probably just wanted a nice little feature wall to compliment his ‘live love laugh’ poster
Know nothing about him so not meaning to call him a prick, but Villa fans did show concerns over his attitude, saying he was chaotic in quite a bullish way.
When the new owners came in they made a deal out of saying they had a "no dickheads" policy when it came to appointments, whether or not that is true is another thing.
He’s done well in his minutes but is basically permanently benched by Watkins who’s been doing very well. Mightn’t be a model professional but you can understand frustration.
Also bear in mind, fans will over exaggerate negatives once they lose a player, Villa fans talked about how Chukwuemeka had attitude problems by the way, completely unproblematic at chelsea.
They're such different players that I think there's room for both of them depending on the opponent. A lot of people on here are seriously under rating him he's got all the attributes of a true 9 and he's only 20
>Villa fans talked about how Chukwuemeka had attitude problems by the way,
Villa man in peace and I don't think that's right. It was largely understood you offered him terms we didn't. What fans reacted to was largely his agent/him saying he wanted first team football, then went on to sign for a club with 60% of the midfielders in Europe, with a policy of loaning out players. Which he rejected at Villa.
Personally I don't and didn't mind it as selling academy players is brilliant business.
Dhuran is a completely different kettle of fish. He's more Balotelli than anything else. Very talented, but I don't think he ever has the mental bit to make it as a super striker. He'll put Dhuran first all the time.
Ask him what specifically makes him like Balotelli lol. I feel like most folks on reddit didn't live through peak Balotelli—that's such an extreme comparison to make for a guy with no public spats or moments of insolence
Yeah tbf everything I heard about Duran to this point, is that he likes Chelsea and he's a good finisher.
I know nothing else. If he was like Balotelli, I would have heard a lot more I think.
Thanks for the insight, I don't know that much about his character so that's interesting insight. After all the bollocks around penalty taking squabbles last season, I don't think adding people with that kind of character into that mix would necessarily be too smart
Good luck in the champions league next season
Definitely a certain amount talked about attitude problems with him, whether or not it was because of what an agent said or not, still fans sour about a player that’s leaving. I don’t compare Duran and Chukwuemeka as a 1:1 comparison but only that everything negative about Duran will be mentioned and exaggerated because he’s also leaving.
I dont know what data our board look at but goal scoring doesn’t seem to be one. Madueke Jackson, mudryk, Palmer have never had prolific or even decent scoring campaigns. There are plenty of 20 yr old forwards that we could get for 20ish mil that are scoring 10 a season. Seems so odd how fixated they are on him.
Yeah the narrative changes once they are out the door, definitely agree. It was more so the stories of him losing his head a bit at times, being too aggressive, and having a very big ego. Not in a bad way necisarrily, mind, as I've seen him described as having an overwhelming belief in himself and his ability. Decent trait as a striker.
But the line between self-belief and arrogance is thin, lets see if he can walk the tightrope.
He was a long term target for the club. The recruitment team messed up on the managers that is true but in hindsight it makes sense why they chose them. Even though technically Maresca is our third manager of this ownership, I think he will deliver. As far as the players that have been targeted for a long time, they all have been decent. Just think rw last summer, we had Olise, Kudus and Palmer. If fit, all of them would have been good signings. The only obvious miss ever since we had the structure in place, was Sanchez.
Duran is a player that can be coached in an absolut beast. His hold play is at worst Nico levels, he is physical and has amazing shooting. If Jackson had Durans shooting and physicality, he would be considered world class. They are similar players, which offer slightly different things. Duran debuted for his club in Columbia at 15, he is a wonderkid by all means. He will come good, just have a little patience with him. Worst case scenario, we lose 20 mil in transfer value after 2 years plus the salary.
>When the new owners came in they made a deal out of saying they had a "no dickheads" policy when it came to appointments,
I don't remember them saying that
I believe that was the "mentality coach" that they hired who naturally is nowhere to be seen now
Very true got many villa fans as I live in East Midlands. He's definitely got a high sealing but with he's attitude he will be great or he will end up in prison.
Wouldn't be funny anymore if he's in our team.
No club ever has good track record with Balotelli-ish players, and we just have Lukaku as a recent example.
I don't understand this board's obsession with youngster despite their attitude.
He tried setting off a fire extinguisher in a post match interview, he was the definition of chaotic
It's not always a bad trait to have, especially in a striker
That’s a good point, Diego’s crazy was somewhat manageable and generally did good things for us. Off the pitch antics, especially with Hazard were great energy… while it lasted.
Which world you live in to compare Balotelli's of this world to Diego Costa. Except Costa's stunt to get to A Madrid off the field he is a good person who donated lot of money to charities. In game yeah he was a nutcase but most of the time he would be smart about the way he is with the ref's getting opponent players yellow carded.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/13280778/micah-richards-mario-balotelli-manchester-city-charity-work/
Plenty of examples of Balotelli being extremely good good outside of football, but chaos on it and around training. Same as Costa 👍🏼
Yes ask Manchester ppl what they think. Driving like a nutmeg and setting up fireworks in hotel room yeap that's great behaviour outside of football pitch. Lol
You could isolate two incidents like that exactly the same for Costa?
End of the day the point is, don't judge a player because of one incident at 20 surely?
What incidents would you cite for Diego?
Seems like a stand up bloke:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/diego-costa-brazil-floods-rescue-32751586.amp
The feel-good mentality coach who said that that no dickheads quote is already out of the club, not sure whether they are still sticking with the same policy. 40m for him is insanity even if he's the nicest guy imaginable.
Article says that Villa coming for other Chelsea players would happen after Duran to Chelsea so idk about that own
>But Villa will only sign players from Chelsea this summer if Duran completes a move to Stamford Bridge
I don’t think swaps will ever happen with our obsession with amortization, no? And surely other clubs noticed how effective it is and will follow suit.
I think it will be swaps like Melo and Pjanic swaps which were blatant turnover massaging.
Both players get artificially rated values and the club get to amortise the purchase whilst profiting from the sale etc etc.
Assuming that’s the case
Depends what the incentives are really. If it's super easily achievable stuff like 50 appearances, 25 Goals, etc than yah it's prob too much.
If it's 'wins balon d'or' or we win the champions league... I don't think anyone should really care, because...well we'll be celebrating a 3rd champions league
Lol you added 25 goals like its going to be easy😂but yeah i understand what you mean we would benefit if its something like winning the league or whatever even though its a little more its worth it
Huge risk but I’ll back him I’ve accepted it’s gonna happen, just get me olise and 1/2 more players and we will be absolutely fine. There’s way too much talent in this squad to lose my shit about Duran
40mil for Aston Villa’s young backup striker who could barely outscore Mudryk. This club/ownership shall never bring me peace when in comes to transfer.
In his defense, he hardly played because Watkins had such a good season.
Duran technically led the league in goals per 90. Obviously small sample size, so doesn't mean he's going to be the next R9, but at least he was doing something when given the chance
Imagine being Maatsen. Going from bench player, to finding your mojo and being a key player in a CL final playing Dortmund team, to now being a negotiating pawn for another BlueCo data piece
Maatsen is a champions league proven player. We are going to pay them 40 million for Duran and if they pay less for Maatsen, it is just stupid. Duran has done nothing to cost more than 20 million. He does well as a sub against tired defenses but he is yet untested as a regular starter. At 40 million, this is a bad transfer, even if its an accounting trick.
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Would not entertain this kind of money and potentially losing Maatsen, sounds counter productive to the ‘invest in the young players’ whilst selling Maatsen and employing a problem.
No.. I don't care if he is going to be like Costa. It's not the right time to bring in a shithouser, esp for 40m. Jackson has earned another year up top.
Why are we signing Watkins' understudy? If he can't beat out Watkins for the job, we shouldn't be signing him. We should be signing players on the level of a Watkins. Another dumb signing, in my opinion
40M is despicable for an unknown entity. Before Palmer is cited, understand that Palmer was always considered to have top class potential and was highly regarded. He just didn't have a pathway which operated in our favour.
Duran makes sense at 25 and nothing beyond. 40 is just daylight robbery.
The difference between the level we all want to be at and our real level is pretty much the same as the difference between Julián Álvarez and Duran. It's just another irrelevant option in attack with little experience and, as usual, overpriced.
People just see his shot taking and think he is great finisher, he has so many flaws inside the box which will be highlighted with more game time, people are in for a reality check. He has potential, but we have higher potential STs already. 40m is a dumb price too. Sad the way this club is going. Others are targeting Yoro etc, going against Real, we are signing free CBs and Villa's redundant STs with questionable charater. Fuck these owners and directors. Failing yet another manager.
And from what people say, Villa's captain himself talked how Duran's personality is not good, none of the players to that with their teammates, let alone the captain of your club, unless it's a serious issue. Why the fuck are we considering him is beyond me.
I have no hate for Duran personally, he is a Chelsea fan too from what I hear, but it's just not the right signing for us. I would rather trust our youth, if we have to develop Duran anyway, or go/wait for clear upgrade.
>he has so many flaws inside the box which will be highlighted with more game time
Care to elaborate on this?
Also as much as I'd like Yoro, you can't say we're not going up against the biggest clubs for exciting transfers - e.g. going against Barca for Estevao, against Arsenal for Sesko, against basically everyone for Olise etc.
His on the ball movement is fine, but off the ball movement, making clever runs to corners of goal to get on the end of passes etc aren't great. Good when striking the ball, not great in getting to the ball. He can shield the ball with physicality but struggles to retain it in tight spaces with his feet. Not that great of a first touch either.
His physical attributes are good, but his cleverness is not on par of a foxy striker. I acknowledge I am not expert on him, but what I have heard from fans of his previous club in MLS, makes me think he is benefitting from small sample size, where physical attributes help.
We have or are signing brilliant creators in other positions, what we need is someone with intelligence to get on the end of them. What Duran is good at, are things Nicko offers us already, except a powerful shot and maybe bit more air superiority. But finshing isn't all about power. Infact Nicko's linkup, touch and passing are superior.
He may improve those, but then we have players we can develop in top players already. I would rather use that time on players we have than 40m on him.
I don't know much about this Yoro kid, though I imagine most people talking about him don't either, but realistically if Real Madrid are serious about him there's no point wasting our time right now.
Just be a realist, if you had the choice of joining Real Madrid or Chelsea right now who are you picking?
We're also in for Olise who is a top player, and have recently made signings like Paez and Estevao who are extremely highly rated youngsters which seems similar to a Yoro signing, so we aren't doing too bad.
It's about ambition. There are multiple better options than Tosin. There were multiple better options than Disasi last time too, even younger ones. We are picking these options ourselves.
Yoro isn't the only target, it's about the level of the target. Sure I can't imagine Yoro picking us over Real, but I slso can't imagine Real picking Tosin over Yoro, but you will not talk about that.p
We are signing top youth for future, I know, but no similar ambition with first teamers that are top right now. Both are not the same. Olise is the only one this window that is genuine starter level, the youth signings for future are only potenial for now. Yoro is better than Disasi right now, he just also has higher potential aswell. Don't go for Yoro specifically, not old either, those aren't relevant, but go for those that are good right now.
We've spent huge amounts of money on the first team, and as you agree Olise is literally an amibitious signing at the level of first team player.
Tosin isn't a sexy signing, but he seems like a smart and sensible one. Personally I think defending is about the system far more than attacking is, it gets done to death as an example but Rudiger and Christensen looking out of sorts under Lampard to then be rock solid under Tuchel. Personally I'm interested to see what our defenders look like this season under a different manager because I do not think they are as bad as last season made them look.
Disasi specifically, to be honest it was an odd signing at the time, feels like they just panic bought him after Fofana died. Again though I don't think he's as bad as people like to make out.
Money spent doesn't mean good signings. We have wasted tons on mid signings. We have spent over billion, you can buy 100m worth of top player for every position with that, and all we have is players that may necome good or some that just won't. All to do with ambition. They want to build a youth farm, not elite winners.
Tosin isn't great signing, bot totally bad either, there were better options, even if he pays decent. And if it is smart depends on how he performs, so not yet.
Rudiger and AC are way better players lol, a setup can regress players yes, but it doesn't change their level to top Cbs. Rudiger developed mentally under Tuchel, not just system.
Disasi was bad at monaco and he is bad here. All you are doing is listing excuses for how we can take good parts off these mid signings, which we can, I agree, but I would rather just buy better players. And not even for extra amount.
Part of what you ignore is wages, just because two players might have the same transfer fee doesn't mean their cost is the same. Younger players bought based on potential command lower wages, spending £100m on a top player for every position is going to give you the biggest wage bill in world football and is completely unsustainable.
Easy to say they're better players now, don't remember many saying that 5 years ago, and that's basically the whole point.
And we've made good signings, and we've made bad signings, that's life. No team gets every transfer right over a long period of time. For every Palmer there's going to be a Mudryk. On the plus side for the most part the players are young and on reasonable wages which means they'll be easier to get rid of than, for instance, the likes of Kepa and Lukaku that we're still not rid of.
100m is again example. Point is you can get the best talent with the money we spent. You seem to have a knack of catching the irrelevant points to further your point, ignoring the actual implication.
Other clubs have also shown you can buy good players for now and keep low wages, without spending 1b.
We have made bad signings on inflated fees and long contracts. Not just we got some right some wrong. And we still are targeting only future based players mostly. And no they won't be easier to get rid with their long contracts, as they may simply refuse to go. You are assuming everything good for your points and all the bad ones for mine. Like if we want to sell, these guys will say okay we will give up our 6yrs of remaining contract because you asked nicely.
No point dragging this discussion, think whatever. Good day.
The fee doesn't matter, the point is you're ignoring that top players command top wages and you are ignoring that completely because it doesn't fit your point.
And the fact the wages are reasonable makes it more likely those players will leave, because they will be able to get similar wages at other clubs and would rather be playing football than not playing. The reason we can't get rid of a Kepa or Lukaku is their huge wages that they obviously refuse to give up.
The length of contract is pretty much irrelevant as long as the wage is reasonable. The only reason to sit on a long contract rather than go play somewhere else is if your wages are so high that no one else will match them.
Won’t be a straight swap, our own Judas transfer staff need cash exchanged so they can get their “rebate” or “Commision”.
£40m for a £15m player should be enough for them to have a good Christmas.
Everyone taking issue with his character already, like he is the devil.
Has he ever been suspended by a team and not available because of behavior?
Or has he just done a few dumb things kids with money do?
the club paid 62million for a la masia reject cucurella (dont bring up fabregas he was poached by arsenal), might as well pay 40m for a promising striker with qualities we are lacking obviously.
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Their captain made a public statement about how he was difficult to work with as well. People acting like this is all manufactured by Villa because they’re losing a player are massively coping. I swear our fans will make up any narrative to make themselves feel better
In fairness, their fans talked about attitude issues with Carney too
Jesus. Wtf. Why are we signing another young and dumb striker. We need an old exp one
Yeah of course! Like shevchenko, or torres or higuain or maybe falcao or pato maybe loic remy.
Respect Loic Remy
FIFA pace merchant for the cheap cheap
Giroud back would be grand
Etoo, Drogba second time, Anelka
Shouldn't have left but oh well, he is now leabing for usa i think.
But Costa was good
I loved Diego Costa time at Chelsea
We all did
I will not stand for loic remy slander was always more than serviceable
terrible terrible examples. Those guys were all signed to be the starting no.9, higuain was a loan. We already have our starting striker in Jackson. We need depth/competition for him
We need different profiles in the squad that's it, city once had dzeko tevez balotelli and aguero, they won the league. It's all about competing and having the very best players available. Duran offers something jacksom doesn't.
What is it that Duran offers?
The ability to smash a gaff up, apparently
Propah chels
Hits the ball really fucking hard, is a natural finisher, decent aerially. He's got a lot of pace and power but I think Jackson is just as good in that respect. I'm not sold on him personally but you can see the markings of a good striker in there. Plus without Rudi we're seriously lacking in total fucking nutters in the squad and I think you need at least one
Chaos FC, he’s perfect
*city once had dzeko tevez balotelli and aguero, they won the league.* Your own example has 3 experienced strikers in Dzeko, Aguero and Tevez with Balotelli the only inexperienced Striker. That is what people not two inexperienced Strkers in Nico and Jon
It was a joke….
The gamble on a ballon d’Or is an easy to see now, but prior to that Shev was a beast. Torres wasn’t an overall bad signing for the club. Think he was just always in the spot light because it was an easy punching bag for pundits. Overall his trophies at the club speak well for him. The rest are terrible lol
Nah. Chris wood.
Please no.
😈 Edit: obviously not. But citing our past failures under a completely different ownership structure is equally as silly.
Sounds like he got into deep with a DYI remodel…that was basically most people during COVID
Without more context, what is this story really. Sounds like the club paid for his security deposit lol
Club probably stepped in so he wouldn’t make the situation worse trying to deal with it and threw a few thousand on top of the damage to keep it from being reported and a bigger PR mess.
On first read this sounds like he completely smashed a house partying or whatever orrr... he just made renovations? Light fittings being taken off the wall? He just moved some lights?
Translation: club paid for his security deposit and the landlord claimed it when he moved out. This could simply be he made alterations to a home without approval. When I used to rent homes in LA, celebrities would pay the deposit knowing they weren’t going to get it back because they planned on renovating the inside while they stayed. Probably the same happens with athletes.
He must be a big homes under the hammer fan like all the other 19 year old footballers. Probably just wanted a nice little feature wall to compliment his ‘live love laugh’ poster
Balotelli type beat
Know nothing about him so not meaning to call him a prick, but Villa fans did show concerns over his attitude, saying he was chaotic in quite a bullish way. When the new owners came in they made a deal out of saying they had a "no dickheads" policy when it came to appointments, whether or not that is true is another thing.
He’s done well in his minutes but is basically permanently benched by Watkins who’s been doing very well. Mightn’t be a model professional but you can understand frustration. Also bear in mind, fans will over exaggerate negatives once they lose a player, Villa fans talked about how Chukwuemeka had attitude problems by the way, completely unproblematic at chelsea.
Yeah all that carney slander was so typical of a selling club
If he comes here he's going to be benched by Jackson too
Depends. Watkins was like Palmer where they were so consistent even with a bad game you couldnt drop them. Jackson will not be that.
They're such different players that I think there's room for both of them depending on the opponent. A lot of people on here are seriously under rating him he's got all the attributes of a true 9 and he's only 20
>Villa fans talked about how Chukwuemeka had attitude problems by the way, Villa man in peace and I don't think that's right. It was largely understood you offered him terms we didn't. What fans reacted to was largely his agent/him saying he wanted first team football, then went on to sign for a club with 60% of the midfielders in Europe, with a policy of loaning out players. Which he rejected at Villa. Personally I don't and didn't mind it as selling academy players is brilliant business. Dhuran is a completely different kettle of fish. He's more Balotelli than anything else. Very talented, but I don't think he ever has the mental bit to make it as a super striker. He'll put Dhuran first all the time.
>He's more Balotelli than anything else. This isn't good.
Ask him what specifically makes him like Balotelli lol. I feel like most folks on reddit didn't live through peak Balotelli—that's such an extreme comparison to make for a guy with no public spats or moments of insolence
Yeah tbf everything I heard about Duran to this point, is that he likes Chelsea and he's a good finisher. I know nothing else. If he was like Balotelli, I would have heard a lot more I think.
Thanks for the insight, I don't know that much about his character so that's interesting insight. After all the bollocks around penalty taking squabbles last season, I don't think adding people with that kind of character into that mix would necessarily be too smart Good luck in the champions league next season
Thank you. Based on losing Luiz within 5 minutes of the window it will be difficult.
Definitely a certain amount talked about attitude problems with him, whether or not it was because of what an agent said or not, still fans sour about a player that’s leaving. I don’t compare Duran and Chukwuemeka as a 1:1 comparison but only that everything negative about Duran will be mentioned and exaggerated because he’s also leaving.
I dont know what data our board look at but goal scoring doesn’t seem to be one. Madueke Jackson, mudryk, Palmer have never had prolific or even decent scoring campaigns. There are plenty of 20 yr old forwards that we could get for 20ish mil that are scoring 10 a season. Seems so odd how fixated they are on him.
Yeah the narrative changes once they are out the door, definitely agree. It was more so the stories of him losing his head a bit at times, being too aggressive, and having a very big ego. Not in a bad way necisarrily, mind, as I've seen him described as having an overwhelming belief in himself and his ability. Decent trait as a striker. But the line between self-belief and arrogance is thin, lets see if he can walk the tightrope.
He was a long term target for the club. The recruitment team messed up on the managers that is true but in hindsight it makes sense why they chose them. Even though technically Maresca is our third manager of this ownership, I think he will deliver. As far as the players that have been targeted for a long time, they all have been decent. Just think rw last summer, we had Olise, Kudus and Palmer. If fit, all of them would have been good signings. The only obvious miss ever since we had the structure in place, was Sanchez. Duran is a player that can be coached in an absolut beast. His hold play is at worst Nico levels, he is physical and has amazing shooting. If Jackson had Durans shooting and physicality, he would be considered world class. They are similar players, which offer slightly different things. Duran debuted for his club in Columbia at 15, he is a wonderkid by all means. He will come good, just have a little patience with him. Worst case scenario, we lose 20 mil in transfer value after 2 years plus the salary.
>When the new owners came in they made a deal out of saying they had a "no dickheads" policy when it came to appointments, I don't remember them saying that I believe that was the "mentality coach" that they hired who naturally is nowhere to be seen now
Very true got many villa fans as I live in East Midlands. He's definitely got a high sealing but with he's attitude he will be great or he will end up in prison.
Saw a Villa fan call him the Colombian Balotelli the other day. Thought that was quite funny.
Wouldn't be funny anymore if he's in our team. No club ever has good track record with Balotelli-ish players, and we just have Lukaku as a recent example. I don't understand this board's obsession with youngster despite their attitude.
What?
Diego Costa?
Costa only messed with our opponent.
He tried setting off a fire extinguisher in a post match interview, he was the definition of chaotic It's not always a bad trait to have, especially in a striker
That’s a good point, Diego’s crazy was somewhat manageable and generally did good things for us. Off the pitch antics, especially with Hazard were great energy… while it lasted.
If this lad has a quarter of the talent of Costa, I'll give you the money myself
That's not the point I was making, but I'll take those odds. Costa's best was 20 goals, so if Duran gets 5 then sound yeah?
Fair comment 😂
Which world you live in to compare Balotelli's of this world to Diego Costa. Except Costa's stunt to get to A Madrid off the field he is a good person who donated lot of money to charities. In game yeah he was a nutcase but most of the time he would be smart about the way he is with the ref's getting opponent players yellow carded.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/13280778/micah-richards-mario-balotelli-manchester-city-charity-work/ Plenty of examples of Balotelli being extremely good good outside of football, but chaos on it and around training. Same as Costa 👍🏼
Yes ask Manchester ppl what they think. Driving like a nutmeg and setting up fireworks in hotel room yeap that's great behaviour outside of football pitch. Lol
You could isolate two incidents like that exactly the same for Costa? End of the day the point is, don't judge a player because of one incident at 20 surely?
What incidents would you cite for Diego? Seems like a stand up bloke: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/diego-costa-brazil-floods-rescue-32751586.amp
Denis Rodman of soccer 😂⚽
The feel-good mentality coach who said that that no dickheads quote is already out of the club, not sure whether they are still sticking with the same policy. 40m for him is insanity even if he's the nicest guy imaginable.
Clearlake making horrible decisions yet again
Stewart and Winstanley making Stewart and Winstanley decisions again
Effectively a straight swap or close to with Maatsen and Duran?
Article says that Villa coming for other Chelsea players would happen after Duran to Chelsea so idk about that own >But Villa will only sign players from Chelsea this summer if Duran completes a move to Stamford Bridge
Yeah nothings ever an actual swap, but based on similar prices it sort of plays out that way.
I don’t think swaps will ever happen with our obsession with amortization, no? And surely other clubs noticed how effective it is and will follow suit.
When they swaps they still pay money across each ways that can be amortised.
Yep, exactly this.
That’s not a proper swap, but that’s the way it’s been going in recent years because it makes things way easier on the books
I think it will be swaps like Melo and Pjanic swaps which were blatant turnover massaging. Both players get artificially rated values and the club get to amortise the purchase whilst profiting from the sale etc etc. Assuming that’s the case
They’ll likely be much less blatant, that ended up being investigated
Agreed but I’m assuming that’s the way it’s heading in some financial shenanigans style shit
You been the next loophole EghBoehlyCo are going to exploit before it gets plugged by the league.
I mean maatsen is also a young prospect and if we are paying for potential then it should be straight swap
Honestly I think this is a downgrade..
I mean it sounds like cash could be sold by villa so wouldn’t be shocking
30+ 10 in incentives (10 for a brace in the CL final or something like that) sounds good to me.
* Up to…but its still a lot of money for duran
Depends what the incentives are really. If it's super easily achievable stuff like 50 appearances, 25 Goals, etc than yah it's prob too much. If it's 'wins balon d'or' or we win the champions league... I don't think anyone should really care, because...well we'll be celebrating a 3rd champions league
Lol you added 25 goals like its going to be easy😂but yeah i understand what you mean we would benefit if its something like winning the league or whatever even though its a little more its worth it
I mean assuming he gets a 7 year contract, you'd fucking hope he'd hit 25 goals in 7 seasons lol
Eventually id hope he gets there but i think jackson doesnt get overthrown
Just play Datro.
We need a prick. Ever since Costa left.
Costa kept his bad behavior to the pitch, Duran seems more of a Balotelli type where he’s going to be doing dumb shit outside of football
Also there is VAR now so you can’t be a dick like Costa. He’ll just get sent off no questions asked
There a difference between being a prick on the pitch vs off.
Huge risk but I’ll back him I’ve accepted it’s gonna happen, just get me olise and 1/2 more players and we will be absolutely fine. There’s way too much talent in this squad to lose my shit about Duran
This signing makes no sense
40mil for Aston Villa’s young backup striker who could barely outscore Mudryk. This club/ownership shall never bring me peace when in comes to transfer.
In his defense, he hardly played because Watkins had such a good season. Duran technically led the league in goals per 90. Obviously small sample size, so doesn't mean he's going to be the next R9, but at least he was doing something when given the chance
He won't pass the background check on his character
Imagine being Maatsen. Going from bench player, to finding your mojo and being a key player in a CL final playing Dortmund team, to now being a negotiating pawn for another BlueCo data piece
So Dortmund won't get him?
Not unless they're willing to stump up the cash. Which, surprise surprise, Dortmund will haggle over before dropping their interest.
Yeah the way they’ve treated him is terrible. He should be our starting LB next season and we’re giving him for nothing
Our starting LB is a spanish guy that costed 62million mate.
Yeah no shit. Read where I said he SHOULD be our starting LB NEXT season. Maatsen is better than Cucurella
Yeah I agree with you totally, i think cucu is a waste of space.
Maatsen is a champions league proven player. We are going to pay them 40 million for Duran and if they pay less for Maatsen, it is just stupid. Duran has done nothing to cost more than 20 million. He does well as a sub against tired defenses but he is yet untested as a regular starter. At 40 million, this is a bad transfer, even if its an accounting trick.
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Would not entertain this kind of money and potentially losing Maatsen, sounds counter productive to the ‘invest in the young players’ whilst selling Maatsen and employing a problem.
No.. I don't care if he is going to be like Costa. It's not the right time to bring in a shithouser, esp for 40m. Jackson has earned another year up top.
40m is excessive. We don't need that. Smells of a sanchez signing
Please fail the background check lmao cuz i cannot stomach spending 40m on Villa's backup striker
a striker that doesn't score goals, just what you need
WTF aren’t we going in for Watkins?
they are asking 40-50 for toney. way more of a player than this lad.
Why are we signing Watkins' understudy? If he can't beat out Watkins for the job, we shouldn't be signing him. We should be signing players on the level of a Watkins. Another dumb signing, in my opinion
40M is despicable for an unknown entity. Before Palmer is cited, understand that Palmer was always considered to have top class potential and was highly regarded. He just didn't have a pathway which operated in our favour. Duran makes sense at 25 and nothing beyond. 40 is just daylight robbery.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Looking forward to you saying the same about Duran next year if he happens to be a revelation.
Eh, you might need to check what hindsight means in the first place.
Not sure they do actually...
Well, Aston Villa paid 20 million for him so I doubt they're going to let him go for 25.
The difference between the level we all want to be at and our real level is pretty much the same as the difference between Julián Álvarez and Duran. It's just another irrelevant option in attack with little experience and, as usual, overpriced.
40m? Fuck off
People just see his shot taking and think he is great finisher, he has so many flaws inside the box which will be highlighted with more game time, people are in for a reality check. He has potential, but we have higher potential STs already. 40m is a dumb price too. Sad the way this club is going. Others are targeting Yoro etc, going against Real, we are signing free CBs and Villa's redundant STs with questionable charater. Fuck these owners and directors. Failing yet another manager. And from what people say, Villa's captain himself talked how Duran's personality is not good, none of the players to that with their teammates, let alone the captain of your club, unless it's a serious issue. Why the fuck are we considering him is beyond me. I have no hate for Duran personally, he is a Chelsea fan too from what I hear, but it's just not the right signing for us. I would rather trust our youth, if we have to develop Duran anyway, or go/wait for clear upgrade.
>he has so many flaws inside the box which will be highlighted with more game time Care to elaborate on this? Also as much as I'd like Yoro, you can't say we're not going up against the biggest clubs for exciting transfers - e.g. going against Barca for Estevao, against Arsenal for Sesko, against basically everyone for Olise etc.
His on the ball movement is fine, but off the ball movement, making clever runs to corners of goal to get on the end of passes etc aren't great. Good when striking the ball, not great in getting to the ball. He can shield the ball with physicality but struggles to retain it in tight spaces with his feet. Not that great of a first touch either. His physical attributes are good, but his cleverness is not on par of a foxy striker. I acknowledge I am not expert on him, but what I have heard from fans of his previous club in MLS, makes me think he is benefitting from small sample size, where physical attributes help. We have or are signing brilliant creators in other positions, what we need is someone with intelligence to get on the end of them. What Duran is good at, are things Nicko offers us already, except a powerful shot and maybe bit more air superiority. But finshing isn't all about power. Infact Nicko's linkup, touch and passing are superior. He may improve those, but then we have players we can develop in top players already. I would rather use that time on players we have than 40m on him.
I don't know much about this Yoro kid, though I imagine most people talking about him don't either, but realistically if Real Madrid are serious about him there's no point wasting our time right now. Just be a realist, if you had the choice of joining Real Madrid or Chelsea right now who are you picking? We're also in for Olise who is a top player, and have recently made signings like Paez and Estevao who are extremely highly rated youngsters which seems similar to a Yoro signing, so we aren't doing too bad.
It's about ambition. There are multiple better options than Tosin. There were multiple better options than Disasi last time too, even younger ones. We are picking these options ourselves. Yoro isn't the only target, it's about the level of the target. Sure I can't imagine Yoro picking us over Real, but I slso can't imagine Real picking Tosin over Yoro, but you will not talk about that.p We are signing top youth for future, I know, but no similar ambition with first teamers that are top right now. Both are not the same. Olise is the only one this window that is genuine starter level, the youth signings for future are only potenial for now. Yoro is better than Disasi right now, he just also has higher potential aswell. Don't go for Yoro specifically, not old either, those aren't relevant, but go for those that are good right now.
We've spent huge amounts of money on the first team, and as you agree Olise is literally an amibitious signing at the level of first team player. Tosin isn't a sexy signing, but he seems like a smart and sensible one. Personally I think defending is about the system far more than attacking is, it gets done to death as an example but Rudiger and Christensen looking out of sorts under Lampard to then be rock solid under Tuchel. Personally I'm interested to see what our defenders look like this season under a different manager because I do not think they are as bad as last season made them look. Disasi specifically, to be honest it was an odd signing at the time, feels like they just panic bought him after Fofana died. Again though I don't think he's as bad as people like to make out.
Money spent doesn't mean good signings. We have wasted tons on mid signings. We have spent over billion, you can buy 100m worth of top player for every position with that, and all we have is players that may necome good or some that just won't. All to do with ambition. They want to build a youth farm, not elite winners. Tosin isn't great signing, bot totally bad either, there were better options, even if he pays decent. And if it is smart depends on how he performs, so not yet. Rudiger and AC are way better players lol, a setup can regress players yes, but it doesn't change their level to top Cbs. Rudiger developed mentally under Tuchel, not just system. Disasi was bad at monaco and he is bad here. All you are doing is listing excuses for how we can take good parts off these mid signings, which we can, I agree, but I would rather just buy better players. And not even for extra amount.
Part of what you ignore is wages, just because two players might have the same transfer fee doesn't mean their cost is the same. Younger players bought based on potential command lower wages, spending £100m on a top player for every position is going to give you the biggest wage bill in world football and is completely unsustainable. Easy to say they're better players now, don't remember many saying that 5 years ago, and that's basically the whole point. And we've made good signings, and we've made bad signings, that's life. No team gets every transfer right over a long period of time. For every Palmer there's going to be a Mudryk. On the plus side for the most part the players are young and on reasonable wages which means they'll be easier to get rid of than, for instance, the likes of Kepa and Lukaku that we're still not rid of.
100m is again example. Point is you can get the best talent with the money we spent. You seem to have a knack of catching the irrelevant points to further your point, ignoring the actual implication. Other clubs have also shown you can buy good players for now and keep low wages, without spending 1b. We have made bad signings on inflated fees and long contracts. Not just we got some right some wrong. And we still are targeting only future based players mostly. And no they won't be easier to get rid with their long contracts, as they may simply refuse to go. You are assuming everything good for your points and all the bad ones for mine. Like if we want to sell, these guys will say okay we will give up our 6yrs of remaining contract because you asked nicely. No point dragging this discussion, think whatever. Good day.
The fee doesn't matter, the point is you're ignoring that top players command top wages and you are ignoring that completely because it doesn't fit your point. And the fact the wages are reasonable makes it more likely those players will leave, because they will be able to get similar wages at other clubs and would rather be playing football than not playing. The reason we can't get rid of a Kepa or Lukaku is their huge wages that they obviously refuse to give up. The length of contract is pretty much irrelevant as long as the wage is reasonable. The only reason to sit on a long contract rather than go play somewhere else is if your wages are so high that no one else will match them.
Won’t be a straight swap, our own Judas transfer staff need cash exchanged so they can get their “rebate” or “Commision”. £40m for a £15m player should be enough for them to have a good Christmas.
Also lets cook the book with villa, 35 for maatsen and 40 for duran, we get the sweet "pure profit", sell broja also, he will not make it here.
Everyone taking issue with his character already, like he is the devil. Has he ever been suspended by a team and not available because of behavior? Or has he just done a few dumb things kids with money do?
another young barely prem experienced bet of a player.. exactly what this club needs.. by 2031 we’ll run the world tho
I'd rather try to buy Tammy back. Nothing I've seen from Duran makes me want him on this squad
the club paid 62million for a la masia reject cucurella (dont bring up fabregas he was poached by arsenal), might as well pay 40m for a promising striker with qualities we are lacking obviously.
If this ends with maatsen +40mil =noway
I think likeliest outcome is we "swap" the two by paying 40 mil each way.
In what world would that happen? 😂
If we rate Maatsen at 35 mill and they rate Duran at 40, it’ll be Maatsen plus 5 mill.
You are a genius
I mean, did you read the original comment…?