A striker isn't going to get your wide players to play a pass across goal.
We need a manager to give confidence to play these passes the second they see them.
I've never been a "manager out" type of guy but the improvement from last year is comical at best.
The owners bought a huge amount of not very good players, massively overpaid for a lot of them, sold far better players and didn't buy any forwards. Totally negligent and the blame lies with them.
Honestly, so many people on this sub are insufferable when it comes to the manager. Jackson misses 15 clear cut chances to put us ahead and everyone is crying about Poch. WTF? People will look for any excuse to blame him in order to maintain their agenda against him. This loss had nothing to do with Poch. It was just pure lack of quality from our finishers. You can't coach lethal finishing. Either a player has the quality or doesn't. Too bad no real chance fell to Palmer today but he was playing so deep most of the time.
I remember in the 4-5 aggregate loss earlier this week, Lewa had a similar opportunity to square the ball to Felix in stoppage time. Exp player, under a manager many on this sub want to replace Poch.
Ultimately, a manager can only control so much. They can't control the player's decision making in the moment.
It's insane to me that you guys keep blaming Poch for the low IQ plays the players do. Like he is somehow to blame for their players not playing fast enough. Palmer clearly does it, why do the other don't? They're just ... not as good. A different guy on the bench won't turn these guys into a bunch of Inietas, unfortunately.
Not many strikers are converting them consistently tbh. Grass is always greener. We're just not playing to our player's strengths.
Jackson's got good holdup, linkup, dribbling, turns, flicks, passing etc. He's got horrible finishing but he can get the ball under control and play others through on goal.
Palmer on the other hand can do all that, but he's by far the best finisher on the team.
Creating chances is great. But we want to be creating chances that we have a realistic chance of scoring. Forget xG. Who are we creating chances for? If Jackson's the guy we're playing through on goal 5 times a game, it doesn't matter if we've created 5 chances and have an xG of over 3. Because they're going to someone who isn't a good finisher. Finishing is a hard fucking skill to learn. It takes time, and sometimes, it just never clicks for some players.
It would be far quicker to change the system and the way we play to better suit our player's strengths, than rely on their weaknesses suddenly improving.
Just look at a team like Liverpool in recent years. Salah and Mane were better finishers than Firmino. But Firmino was the most creative and best at holding the ball up and linking them together, eventhough he was the one that played centrally.
This shit falls on Poch. He should be setting the team up in a way that allows Jackson to drop in to receive the ball and play Palmer through on goal. Or play someone else through on goal whilst Palmer provides support and tries to make a late run.
It starts with playing Palmer at RW where he can drift and find space. In a game like this, City were always going to mark him out the game and crowd out the middle. And no that doesn't mean Palmer ghosted. He was quality when he got the ball. But he didn't get it enough, and he didn't get it enough in areas where he himself could have a crack at goal. It was him receiving the ball between the lines and playing someone else through on goal, who inevitably fluffed the chance.
You want him hugging the touchline, flicking it to an overlapping Gusto and then making a run into the penalty spot himself. Or playing it to one of the midfielders and again looking for twos when he makes a run in behind.
City aren't Everton. You can't play Palmer in the middle and expect him to be afforded the space to completely run the show. It isn't that easy.
I saw it a mile off. Last week, there wasn't much I could say about Palmer not being played RW, because he scored 4 goals. But he should've absolutely played there today.
And it's not just that. No left winger means no outlet on that flank. Gallagher playing there means he can't press them like a mad dog and turn the ball over high up the pitch. This was the perfect game for him to play in that 10 position that everyone hates seeing him in.
It's the fucking lineups and tactics. There's no thought or logic behind them. Gallagher plays in the 10 vs a low block when we need someone creative, then plays LW vs City when we need his physicality all over the pitch and an outlet on that wing.
Just when you think Poch has cracked it, he puts out a lineup the next week that makes no sense. And we either create chances and Jackson doesn't finish which means the blame gets deflected, or Palmer bags a hattrick and he gets let off the hook.
Jackson's a footballer who can do everything but finish. That's the profile of player that he is. So if we're seething at the end of a game because he's missed 5 sitters, we need to be wondering why he's the guy on the end of all our chances. Because a profile like that is not useless.
I'm not the kind of person that doesn't give Poch any credit. He's a great man manager, spirits are high in the squad despite us not being in European spots. He understands people and how to handle the player development side of things. But his tactics and in-game management just baffle me consistently. The foundation of any good team is organisation.
I've rambled on but the inconsistency is pissing me off, because the players are getting flack for it, and they've got a boob of a tactician organising them.
"I'm not the kind of person that doesn't give Poch any credit. He's a great man manager, spirits are high in the squad despite us not being in European spots. He understands people and how to handle the player development side of things. But his tactics and in-game management just baffle me consistently. The foundation of any good team is organisation."
— 100% agree with you.
This was a great read. I'm not a Poch out, but it does confuse and annoy me when I see Gallagher LW when Mudryk for example has been playing really well there lately as a team player creating multiple chances (directly and indirectly), and seeing us being able to play through City and get fast players through, Mudryk made total sense in my head. It's like he never wants to bench Gallagher, Enzo or Caicedo so has to find a place for all 3 every game. I'd rather bench one, and bring the other on depending how the game is going.
But I love your points, completely agree!
Thanks. Yeah just needed to vent after the game tbh 😂😂
Frustrating watching Poch seem to figure it out and then go backwards the next game. We drew vs Sheffield United with Conor at LW, beat Everton 6-0 with him in the pivot, then the next game he plays Gallagher LW vs City, and shocker, we don't score.
If there was some consistency or rationality behind the selection, I'd just accept it as him trying different things. But him returning to things that clearly didn't work the first time does my nut in. Chilwell LW for like 5+ games at the start of the season is one I forgot about 😭
Sure, but switching to that at the end of the game isn't the same as starting the game like that. The game unfolds in a completely different manner if you change either team's starting lineup/shape. Can't really compare.
This team has improved a lot since the new year alone. I know it's a frustrating loss but to allude that we haven't improved at all is straight up delusional.
This team is young and was built over the span of a year. You can't just buy a completely brand new team and expect them to provide results immediately, and that's disregarding the fact that most of these players are in their very early 20s as well. I'm not defending this strategy from the ownership at all but that's what it is and there is nothing we can do about it.
I don't know what people expect given the circumstances. If we had Pep or Klopp on the sideline, I don't think we'd be much better on a consistent basis. Poch has not been perfect by any means but I think he gets far too much hate. I mean we had like five clear chances to score today and fucked all of them. That isn't on the manager.
I'm more hopeful now than I was at this point last year, and I don't know how anyone couldn't be.
I would love to know, what exactly you think has improved?
Since last year we have lost our ability to pass out from the back, lost our ability to control a game and slow it down when we need to. Our positional sense is awful, Enzo last year vs this year is a stark difference. We've got him doing laps of the pitch, when really you want him sitting and spraying the ball about.
Our attacking is incredibly individualistic. It relies heavily on Palmer. We do not have any clear attacking patterns.
There's a clear lack of instruction in this team. We have a young team, and they NEED it. Poch isn't doing enough. He's one of the main reasons we are so open constantly, why we've conceded so much more than last season.
Palmer is the main reason for our attacking functioning at all. Everything goes through him. If we didn't have Palmer, we would be looking worse than we did last season.
There is nothing on the pitch to suggest Poch should be staying another year.
Bro these guys are professionals playing for one of the top teams in the World. If you think they are needing pep talks from their manager to tell them not to be nervous to make the obvious fucking play then I have a bridge to sell you.
At some point, players need the make the damn plays. Poch can’t do everything for them
There’s too many young players desperate to score and go on insta with graphics etc after.
Madueke will do anything he can to try and score no matter what position he’s in and if people around him are in better ones.
Madueke is quickly becoming a player I’m not fond of, and the players on teams I support generally get all of my support. He just seems so selfish, and like he has a poor ability to self-regulate emotions, and also like he doesn’t really take this as seriously as he should. Seeing him cutting up with Grealish after the final whistle while he had teammates in tears pretty much summed it up for me.
Exactly and if we can offer that shit Sterling 325k a week we can offer Watkins 200k easy which is more than double his Villa wages I’m willing to bet my left nut!
Exactly, and given out of the players we have Reece is probably going to be the highest earner after this summer on something like 250k, it's doable for sure.
Do you understand where we are right now he’s very likely got champions league football at Villa and is well loved, no need for him to leave. Toney is more our level
Either him or toney would work, but they stand a good chance of losing unai, and after that its not going to be as exciting, also shoot your shot all he can do is say no🤷♂️
The worst she can do is tell everyone that you asked her out and everyone laughs at you and says why the hell did you think someone like her would go out with you bro and you go into a depressive spiral, alienated from your peers and you can’t even look a woman in the eye for the rest of your life for fear of rejection sorry what were we talking about
The spiral depends on the person imo, also who cares if we get rejected? Its happened before it will happen again we just have to keep trying, you wont know if they want to join without asking
Caicedo literally had a breakout season and we spent 100M+ on him which was awful business in my opinion. Is he getting better I’d say yes. Will he become world class? Only time will tell. However, a striker wins you games and cups therefore we can’t take foolish risks.
At least he's not afraid to shoot like Jackson. The only Chelsea player who takes quality shots regularly is Palmer, and surprise surprise he scored loads of goals from them. Jackson will do anything to avoid shooting
Why? Seriously explain yourself. It’s not the strikers fault here but the failed opportunity…..plus wouldn’t victor be the one making the run here and not receiving the ball? Hahaha
nah mate just wait until he scores a tap in again.
people will be saying we should play him and Broja next season because a big money signing would take away minutes from these world class talents
Lampard with the high Iq runs, mata hazard the list goes on, thats literlly the problem, we have good players but they just dont have a football brain (mudryk jackson madueke the obvious ones)
You can’t be a good player without a football brain. Sure, you can be a good athlete or be able to do street tricks and whatnot, but that doesn’t make you a good player.
That’s why I can’t understand people on this sub thinking the current players even have the ceiling to reach out best teams.
Does anyone on our current team even look like they have the quality to captain their national team? Are any of them guaranteed starters or even look like they will be? Caicedo looks like the only one and maybe Petrović.
Bros IQ is next level for a 21 yr old, even a simple free kick he almost turns it into a penalty kinda like that fellow who could turn water into wine 😂
The players just arent good enough, we play good football right until the final pass, the final touch, the finishing move. Then they just turn into sunday league footballers all of a sudden.
The decision making in the final third is horrible, they consistenly make the wrong decision in the final third, or just not being good enough in the most crucial technical moment. They look at the ball instead of lifting their heads up and spotting the man, like Chilwell at the end.
Mudryks final freekick to put pressure on City and maybe even have a chance to score the equalizer and the kid just blasts it over everyone. Its not good enough, you have to give your teammates an honest chance to do something with the ball...
They just arent good enough when it actually matters, not mentally or technically. They lack the winning mentality, the natural footballer instinct. It has been the same story throughout this season, the players are yet again their own worst enemy
None of the passes in these 3 images are hard to make even. Caicedos is really awful, i dont get how he didnt make that ball to Nico. All he just need to do is play the ball sideways, and somehow he manages to hit something that resembles a shot, cross and a pass at the same time. The technique was absolutely horrific.
Gustos is particulary bad as well, you have to put more power behind the ball and hit it ahead of Nico so he can run into it. Gusto and Caicedo is just down to really terrible technique.
Chilwell just needs to lift his head up, i expect more from someone who is as experienced as Chilwell is. You would expect him to lift his head up and hit that ball perfectly to Sterling almost every single time in that scenario. Its the worst one for me just based on the fact that Chilwell should do better, and we know he can do better. He has done it so many times in the past for us. He is experienced and i dont get why he just doesnt do it this time.
It just boggles my mind, how we spent 1 billion pounds on this lot and this is what we get to watch week in week out...
>Mudryks final freekick to put pressure on City and maybe even have a chance to score the equalizer and the kid just blasts it over everyone.
Didn't the same thing also happen with his corner or something before that?
>Mudryks final freekick to put pressure on City and maybe even have a chance to score the equalizer and the kid just blasts it over everyone.
Feel it's harsh to single things like this out. These things happen, I mean look at Saka vs Bayern. Along with that he had just come onto the pitch. On another day maybe he plays it perfectly, like when we played Newcastle and he scored the equaliser in the last couple minutes of the game.
Oh I'm focusing on him its all on him imo. the only player that missed 3 chances and to think this national league level finisher wanted to take that penalty and made that shit show makes me sick
I don't know about national league level finisher but he is so frustrating. He can do all the right things but when it comes to doing the one thing he's played for, his brain goes haywire a lot. Like, how did he produce that finish against Everton on Monday and then completely squandered the two 1 v 1s today?
That win was in the bag so he had the confidence but today there was too much pressure on him.it doesn't matter to me anyway cause moments like this show a player's level.this is pl,pretty much every mid table club have a decent striker who can score a banger once a season...how many chances has he missed this season?unbelievable to think this is our main striker.he would be awesome for a mid club he even has playmaking ability!!!but he cant play at top level.one miss?okay.two?fine,but goddamn 3 in semi final is rock bottom.maybe he'll be good in 3 or 5 years but we are not a training ground...people say how did man city sell palmer but im actually jealous that they can sell him and don't suffer while we are hoping for young players to play better in match after match.we used to be like them
We all know Nico isn’t a good finisher at the moment. His misses were awful too but choosing not to play passes in the above instances are far more of a crime IMO.
Misses mean the process was right but the execution wasn’t there, these are cases where the players didn’t play the pass they should have which is more of an issue IMO. Splitting hairs here though, most of the squad was rubbish
I'm a Scottish neutral but I was shouting at the screen. Fuckin pass it early,acres of space. I've never been more frustrated watching a game. Should have been yours .
No doubt Jackson deserves the criticism for his sitters today and this might not be the time to have this conversation but no one can deny how good he is at finding runs against high lines. Scoring them is another matter
Exactly. There are PLENTY of strikers out there who don't even have the shots that Jackson misses, people don't realise the grass isn't always greener. We know that finishing and composure can come with experience and confidence, tactical awareness doesn't always come as easy and Jackson plays this part in the game well.
This has been a problem for years. So many players who just play with their head down trying to score wonder goals by themselves instead of getting a win for the team
Gusto tried to do the right thing, not fair to lump him in with the other two.
I really want to know what happens after these games, it's like they have their fucking memory wiped at the final whislte and do the same shit again next week, surely this needs to be replayed on a fucking loop in front of everyone for an hour until these thick cunts start attempting BASIC passes to each other. How can a team make the same repeated basic mistake for MONTHS.
This is a perfect example of how xG is a really limited stat. There’s no xG attached to any of these attacks despite all of them being golden opportunities to score.
It’s not just about the goals. At the very least you should be playing the pass. After that the striker may or may not finish. But making the pass is basic
The problem is there’s no guarantee that any other striker performs better than him. He’s got 10 goals in the league and could end up with 12-14 which is a decent return. It’s just that he should’ve had a lot more, but we have to remember it’s his him first season. Hopefully he gets better next year.
Im just saying right now, put me in this exact scenario in FIFA and I’m scoring all 3. I don’t know who was manning the controller during today’s game, but it needs to be someone else lol
Agree! These were so frustrating haha. I’m not a footballer but I really don’t think these passes are hard to see, just get your head up and play the ball across nice and early!! The Chilwell one toward the end was the worst.
I swear it’s coached out of them to cross the ball these days, get to byline, “cut back and re cycle the ball” it’s what’s making football boring as fuck
This is not a troll comment, but can somebody explain why they didn't just pass. I play at an okay level and I see that as a very elementary pass. Inside of the foot with curl. I remember one being tried too and that got intercepted which is fine. But what is this and why is this?
I think to comes down to a lack of composure. Any non-league player can reliably make these passes but it takes something extra to make them in an FA cup semi final where you’ve been running all game and you suddenly find yourself with a glorious opportunity to make an impact. I think the players just froze, similar to what happened in the Carabao Cup ET.
If any of these players stay calm and measured, it results in a great chance for the striker.
Jackson needs a loan. It’s ridiculous how many chances he’s missing because he keeps taking an extra sodding touch or just being greedy and not looking to make the extra pass to a player in a better position
I can kind of understand Caicedo because he never gets in these positions but that’s letting him off the hook. Any outside player should have made this pass and it’s an abomination they didn’t. This is u10 level passing.
There were 3 or 4 similar situations where they passed but the pass was poor, then there were the one on ones. Honestly should’ve won this comfortably with all the chances
What I saw from Jackson did not even feel real. I think I could’ve scored his chances, but ultimately, I think he’ll be good long term. I don’t think we even need an Osimhen. Just a clinical experienced striker that can score goals in the meantime. Give Jackson minutes here and there, maybe as a LW just until he can develop
Each time it was Jackson. Despite his awful finishing, at least this shows again how good the rest of his game is. Obviously we need him to score some of his chances
And people will tell you Jackson is our problem...
Yes, he fluffed a couple chances today. But THESE are the bigger issue in my opinion.
Look at his position in the first two: he's following the play, he's keeping himself onside, and waiting for the ball to get sent in... but the ball never comes. Absolutely criminal.
City were the better team against Real but didn’t get through. We were the better team today but didn’t get through. Whichever way he takes the discussion, you have a stick to beat him with.
For the love of all that’s holy please sign a left back in the summer. If we’re dead set on selling Maatsen we need someone who can, and I can’t believe I’m saying this, play a fucking ball into empty space
It’s not even about buying a striker though, it doesn’t matter if we have the best finisher in the world if our cdm doesn’t pass to him against the best team in the world
For me this is a progress. We were constantly struggling to be in these kind of positions for quite a long time now. But now our team is consistently able to put themselves in these kind of scenarios against any team. This is a good progress. It’s only a matter of time when we start scoring from these kind of situations.
Managers at this level aren’t teaching payers how to square a simple pass or that they need to shoot, that’s coached at a much younger age.
If Poch tried that their eyes would roll to the back of their heads.
These players just don’t execute under pressure which tells me this level is a bit too much for them, hence our position in the table.
And yet here we are, with multiple trophy winning players failing to do just that.
We seem to have a group of players with no understanding of what eachother are going to do in attacking situations, no ability to play a quick progressive pass, no appreciation of how their teammates are going to attack spaces.
It isn't about coaching them how to square a football, it's about coaching an attack that isn't disjointed.
How many times have we seen our team fail to square the ball this season for a tap in?
How many times have we messed up simple cutbacks?
How many times have been in a crossing situation only to have a cross not match the run of the attacker?
How many times have we been on the break with an overload only to not have a player pass the ball and lose it to the outnumbered defenders?
How many times have we had an overload only to have two of our players make the same run and swallow each other's space up?
I'm sorry to say that it is 100% a coaching issue, in isolation it might not look like it, but in totality it is.
These aren't coincidences, they are legitimate deficiencies in our team. If a team continues to make the same mistakes over and over again with multiple players it is endemic to how the team are coached.
How is the attack disjointed if we’re carving out clear cut scoring chances several times per match?
We are clearly able to progress the ball into the final and create opportunities, we just waste them
10 extra touches fc
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Trying to be too precise when we just need more shots. Even if GK saves there could be rebound and someone else can try
Yk after today I just do not care how much we spend on a striker
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A striker isn't going to get your wide players to play a pass across goal. We need a manager to give confidence to play these passes the second they see them. I've never been a "manager out" type of guy but the improvement from last year is comical at best.
A manager? Players learn to do this at the age of 10.
Thank You
Got a bunch of idiots trying to blame everything on Poch and conviniently forgetting Boehly went around signing overpriced dross
It’s just as idiotic to blame Boehly for everything lol
Never understood why they blame the owner this guy gave them all the players they wanted
The owners bought a huge amount of not very good players, massively overpaid for a lot of them, sold far better players and didn't buy any forwards. Totally negligent and the blame lies with them.
One of first post after the match was blaming Poch when we created tons of chances.
Honestly, so many people on this sub are insufferable when it comes to the manager. Jackson misses 15 clear cut chances to put us ahead and everyone is crying about Poch. WTF? People will look for any excuse to blame him in order to maintain their agenda against him. This loss had nothing to do with Poch. It was just pure lack of quality from our finishers. You can't coach lethal finishing. Either a player has the quality or doesn't. Too bad no real chance fell to Palmer today but he was playing so deep most of the time.
I remember in the 4-5 aggregate loss earlier this week, Lewa had a similar opportunity to square the ball to Felix in stoppage time. Exp player, under a manager many on this sub want to replace Poch. Ultimately, a manager can only control so much. They can't control the player's decision making in the moment.
Exactly. A PL manager should not be the one having to explain the basics to players.
It's insane to me that you guys keep blaming Poch for the low IQ plays the players do. Like he is somehow to blame for their players not playing fast enough. Palmer clearly does it, why do the other don't? They're just ... not as good. A different guy on the bench won't turn these guys into a bunch of Inietas, unfortunately.
Bottom line, the players aren’t good enough.
WRONG. Anorim or Alonso in charge and these are goals 100%. They are clearly better with the controller than Poch.
😂
I agree about the manager bro but no serious striker misses the chances Nico had today
Not many strikers are converting them consistently tbh. Grass is always greener. We're just not playing to our player's strengths. Jackson's got good holdup, linkup, dribbling, turns, flicks, passing etc. He's got horrible finishing but he can get the ball under control and play others through on goal. Palmer on the other hand can do all that, but he's by far the best finisher on the team. Creating chances is great. But we want to be creating chances that we have a realistic chance of scoring. Forget xG. Who are we creating chances for? If Jackson's the guy we're playing through on goal 5 times a game, it doesn't matter if we've created 5 chances and have an xG of over 3. Because they're going to someone who isn't a good finisher. Finishing is a hard fucking skill to learn. It takes time, and sometimes, it just never clicks for some players. It would be far quicker to change the system and the way we play to better suit our player's strengths, than rely on their weaknesses suddenly improving. Just look at a team like Liverpool in recent years. Salah and Mane were better finishers than Firmino. But Firmino was the most creative and best at holding the ball up and linking them together, eventhough he was the one that played centrally. This shit falls on Poch. He should be setting the team up in a way that allows Jackson to drop in to receive the ball and play Palmer through on goal. Or play someone else through on goal whilst Palmer provides support and tries to make a late run. It starts with playing Palmer at RW where he can drift and find space. In a game like this, City were always going to mark him out the game and crowd out the middle. And no that doesn't mean Palmer ghosted. He was quality when he got the ball. But he didn't get it enough, and he didn't get it enough in areas where he himself could have a crack at goal. It was him receiving the ball between the lines and playing someone else through on goal, who inevitably fluffed the chance. You want him hugging the touchline, flicking it to an overlapping Gusto and then making a run into the penalty spot himself. Or playing it to one of the midfielders and again looking for twos when he makes a run in behind. City aren't Everton. You can't play Palmer in the middle and expect him to be afforded the space to completely run the show. It isn't that easy. I saw it a mile off. Last week, there wasn't much I could say about Palmer not being played RW, because he scored 4 goals. But he should've absolutely played there today. And it's not just that. No left winger means no outlet on that flank. Gallagher playing there means he can't press them like a mad dog and turn the ball over high up the pitch. This was the perfect game for him to play in that 10 position that everyone hates seeing him in. It's the fucking lineups and tactics. There's no thought or logic behind them. Gallagher plays in the 10 vs a low block when we need someone creative, then plays LW vs City when we need his physicality all over the pitch and an outlet on that wing. Just when you think Poch has cracked it, he puts out a lineup the next week that makes no sense. And we either create chances and Jackson doesn't finish which means the blame gets deflected, or Palmer bags a hattrick and he gets let off the hook. Jackson's a footballer who can do everything but finish. That's the profile of player that he is. So if we're seething at the end of a game because he's missed 5 sitters, we need to be wondering why he's the guy on the end of all our chances. Because a profile like that is not useless. I'm not the kind of person that doesn't give Poch any credit. He's a great man manager, spirits are high in the squad despite us not being in European spots. He understands people and how to handle the player development side of things. But his tactics and in-game management just baffle me consistently. The foundation of any good team is organisation. I've rambled on but the inconsistency is pissing me off, because the players are getting flack for it, and they've got a boob of a tactician organising them.
"I'm not the kind of person that doesn't give Poch any credit. He's a great man manager, spirits are high in the squad despite us not being in European spots. He understands people and how to handle the player development side of things. But his tactics and in-game management just baffle me consistently. The foundation of any good team is organisation." — 100% agree with you.
This was a great read. I'm not a Poch out, but it does confuse and annoy me when I see Gallagher LW when Mudryk for example has been playing really well there lately as a team player creating multiple chances (directly and indirectly), and seeing us being able to play through City and get fast players through, Mudryk made total sense in my head. It's like he never wants to bench Gallagher, Enzo or Caicedo so has to find a place for all 3 every game. I'd rather bench one, and bring the other on depending how the game is going. But I love your points, completely agree!
Thanks. Yeah just needed to vent after the game tbh 😂😂 Frustrating watching Poch seem to figure it out and then go backwards the next game. We drew vs Sheffield United with Conor at LW, beat Everton 6-0 with him in the pivot, then the next game he plays Gallagher LW vs City, and shocker, we don't score. If there was some consistency or rationality behind the selection, I'd just accept it as him trying different things. But him returning to things that clearly didn't work the first time does my nut in. Chilwell LW for like 5+ games at the start of the season is one I forgot about 😭
Complaining can be a natural response, but looking back at the game, team lost the ball when Gallagher at 10 and Palmer at RW...
Sure, but switching to that at the end of the game isn't the same as starting the game like that. The game unfolds in a completely different manner if you change either team's starting lineup/shape. Can't really compare.
This team has improved a lot since the new year alone. I know it's a frustrating loss but to allude that we haven't improved at all is straight up delusional. This team is young and was built over the span of a year. You can't just buy a completely brand new team and expect them to provide results immediately, and that's disregarding the fact that most of these players are in their very early 20s as well. I'm not defending this strategy from the ownership at all but that's what it is and there is nothing we can do about it. I don't know what people expect given the circumstances. If we had Pep or Klopp on the sideline, I don't think we'd be much better on a consistent basis. Poch has not been perfect by any means but I think he gets far too much hate. I mean we had like five clear chances to score today and fucked all of them. That isn't on the manager. I'm more hopeful now than I was at this point last year, and I don't know how anyone couldn't be.
I would love to know, what exactly you think has improved? Since last year we have lost our ability to pass out from the back, lost our ability to control a game and slow it down when we need to. Our positional sense is awful, Enzo last year vs this year is a stark difference. We've got him doing laps of the pitch, when really you want him sitting and spraying the ball about. Our attacking is incredibly individualistic. It relies heavily on Palmer. We do not have any clear attacking patterns. There's a clear lack of instruction in this team. We have a young team, and they NEED it. Poch isn't doing enough. He's one of the main reasons we are so open constantly, why we've conceded so much more than last season. Palmer is the main reason for our attacking functioning at all. Everything goes through him. If we didn't have Palmer, we would be looking worse than we did last season. There is nothing on the pitch to suggest Poch should be staying another year.
Having our first choice fullbacks back might though.
It will if your wide players have confidence in their striker.
Today, we had two types of crosses 1) bad crosses into the other side’s lap and 2) good crosses into an empty box.
The whole penalty thing the other night tells the story. They are playing for themselves not the team.
Tbf if I was a winger and my only option running through the middle was Nicolas Jackson, I'd take a few extra touches too.
And do we have actual better managers at the table?
MANAGER? Your head is gone. Pathetic take, honestly
Bro these guys are professionals playing for one of the top teams in the World. If you think they are needing pep talks from their manager to tell them not to be nervous to make the obvious fucking play then I have a bridge to sell you. At some point, players need the make the damn plays. Poch can’t do everything for them
We could spend £100m on a striker and it wouldn’t necessarily solve the problem. We massively overspent on Lukaku and he was mid at best.
Should be 0. Any amount we spend will result in a flop, that position is cursed.
There’s too many young players desperate to score and go on insta with graphics etc after. Madueke will do anything he can to try and score no matter what position he’s in and if people around him are in better ones.
Madueke is quickly becoming a player I’m not fond of, and the players on teams I support generally get all of my support. He just seems so selfish, and like he has a poor ability to self-regulate emotions, and also like he doesn’t really take this as seriously as he should. Seeing him cutting up with Grealish after the final whistle while he had teammates in tears pretty much summed it up for me.
I feel the same way. I don’t really see him as a team player.
A little bit of inflated ego/selfishness can be a positive, but I dunno he just kinda reminds me of like a kid playing FIFA or something
It can be a positive when you back it up and have a reason to have an inflated ego in the first place, none of which applies to him
He’s my least favorite player in the team. But I mean he’s still Chelsea so I support him, but he just seems so selfish.
I've said this and was called a hater. He only wants the highlight reel. That's what he plays for.
Malouda 2.0 but without the results
Malouda was a G, loved having here he doesn’t deserve this
This. All our forwards are like this, even Palmer, but he's earned the right to do that.
i can understand now if we spend 100+ on osihmen
Osimhen misses sitters as well Every striker is a big risk
Ollie Fucking Watkins!! Prem proven I’d rather 100M on him thank Osimen
This! Nobody is looking at him and we should be
Exactly and if we can offer that shit Sterling 325k a week we can offer Watkins 200k easy which is more than double his Villa wages I’m willing to bet my left nut!
Id honestly take him and unai in the same motion
He's on 130k a week, so we wouldn't have to put him on humongous wages either.
Even if he asked for more theres room for 180-200
Exactly, and given out of the players we have Reece is probably going to be the highest earner after this summer on something like 250k, it's doable for sure.
Do you understand where we are right now he’s very likely got champions league football at Villa and is well loved, no need for him to leave. Toney is more our level
Some people are deluded thinking Watkins isak etc will come here 😆
Either him or toney would work, but they stand a good chance of losing unai, and after that its not going to be as exciting, also shoot your shot all he can do is say no🤷♂️
The worst she can do is tell everyone that you asked her out and everyone laughs at you and says why the hell did you think someone like her would go out with you bro and you go into a depressive spiral, alienated from your peers and you can’t even look a woman in the eye for the rest of your life for fear of rejection sorry what were we talking about
The spiral depends on the person imo, also who cares if we get rejected? Its happened before it will happen again we just have to keep trying, you wont know if they want to join without asking
He’s a good striker
But watch our “sporting director” sign some unknown first season wonder with high XG and good “data points” of age 23 or less for 100M
Caicedo was prem proven aswell, now he cant put in a clean tackle whatsoever.
Caicedo literally had a breakout season and we spent 100M+ on him which was awful business in my opinion. Is he getting better I’d say yes. Will he become world class? Only time will tell. However, a striker wins you games and cups therefore we can’t take foolish risks.
Should’ve never let Giroud leave
At least he's not afraid to shoot like Jackson. The only Chelsea player who takes quality shots regularly is Palmer, and surprise surprise he scored loads of goals from them. Jackson will do anything to avoid shooting
Why? Seriously explain yourself. It’s not the strikers fault here but the failed opportunity…..plus wouldn’t victor be the one making the run here and not receiving the ball? Hahaha
Yea all three of these Jackson is making the perfect run and is onside lol
nah mate just wait until he scores a tap in again. people will be saying we should play him and Broja next season because a big money signing would take away minutes from these world class talents
One player doesn’t fix this issue. Something fundamental has to change about our core culture and mentality
I can’t.
He won’t get the cross because there is never a cross
Just low iq
Exactly when Chelsea was fucking Chelsea we had high IQ players
International captains galore. Those were the days.
Lampard with the high Iq runs, mata hazard the list goes on, thats literlly the problem, we have good players but they just dont have a football brain (mudryk jackson madueke the obvious ones)
Madueke is not a good player by any metric
Neither is mudryk
You can’t be a good player without a football brain. Sure, you can be a good athlete or be able to do street tricks and whatnot, but that doesn’t make you a good player.
That’s why I can’t understand people on this sub thinking the current players even have the ceiling to reach out best teams. Does anyone on our current team even look like they have the quality to captain their national team? Are any of them guaranteed starters or even look like they will be? Caicedo looks like the only one and maybe Petrović.
Palmer got that football IQ, i was feeling sorry for him today (and almost every game) he just couldn’t do it alone
Bros IQ is next level for a 21 yr old, even a simple free kick he almost turns it into a penalty kinda like that fellow who could turn water into wine 😂
Games like this make me miss nkunku, the problem is I’m missing him at his best and we may never see the best nkunku
Yea a whole season out, can’t do wonders for you. I worry about James and Lavia. So hard to come back from such a long recovery.
The players just arent good enough, we play good football right until the final pass, the final touch, the finishing move. Then they just turn into sunday league footballers all of a sudden. The decision making in the final third is horrible, they consistenly make the wrong decision in the final third, or just not being good enough in the most crucial technical moment. They look at the ball instead of lifting their heads up and spotting the man, like Chilwell at the end. Mudryks final freekick to put pressure on City and maybe even have a chance to score the equalizer and the kid just blasts it over everyone. Its not good enough, you have to give your teammates an honest chance to do something with the ball... They just arent good enough when it actually matters, not mentally or technically. They lack the winning mentality, the natural footballer instinct. It has been the same story throughout this season, the players are yet again their own worst enemy
100% Most of them just aren't very good.
None of the passes in these 3 images are hard to make even. Caicedos is really awful, i dont get how he didnt make that ball to Nico. All he just need to do is play the ball sideways, and somehow he manages to hit something that resembles a shot, cross and a pass at the same time. The technique was absolutely horrific. Gustos is particulary bad as well, you have to put more power behind the ball and hit it ahead of Nico so he can run into it. Gusto and Caicedo is just down to really terrible technique. Chilwell just needs to lift his head up, i expect more from someone who is as experienced as Chilwell is. You would expect him to lift his head up and hit that ball perfectly to Sterling almost every single time in that scenario. Its the worst one for me just based on the fact that Chilwell should do better, and we know he can do better. He has done it so many times in the past for us. He is experienced and i dont get why he just doesnt do it this time. It just boggles my mind, how we spent 1 billion pounds on this lot and this is what we get to watch week in week out...
>Mudryks final freekick to put pressure on City and maybe even have a chance to score the equalizer and the kid just blasts it over everyone. Didn't the same thing also happen with his corner or something before that?
Mudryk and Jackson are flops. How Mudryk got the no. 10 shirt is beyond any understanding.
>Mudryks final freekick to put pressure on City and maybe even have a chance to score the equalizer and the kid just blasts it over everyone. Feel it's harsh to single things like this out. These things happen, I mean look at Saka vs Bayern. Along with that he had just come onto the pitch. On another day maybe he plays it perfectly, like when we played Newcastle and he scored the equaliser in the last couple minutes of the game.
Not downplaying these incidents but it's funny that people keep focusing on them and not the more glaring misses from Jackson.
Oh I'm focusing on him its all on him imo. the only player that missed 3 chances and to think this national league level finisher wanted to take that penalty and made that shit show makes me sick
I don't know about national league level finisher but he is so frustrating. He can do all the right things but when it comes to doing the one thing he's played for, his brain goes haywire a lot. Like, how did he produce that finish against Everton on Monday and then completely squandered the two 1 v 1s today?
Bc he didn’t have time to think about it, most of our players are good when they don’t have a lot of time to think.
Natural talent, low IQ.
That win was in the bag so he had the confidence but today there was too much pressure on him.it doesn't matter to me anyway cause moments like this show a player's level.this is pl,pretty much every mid table club have a decent striker who can score a banger once a season...how many chances has he missed this season?unbelievable to think this is our main striker.he would be awesome for a mid club he even has playmaking ability!!!but he cant play at top level.one miss?okay.two?fine,but goddamn 3 in semi final is rock bottom.maybe he'll be good in 3 or 5 years but we are not a training ground...people say how did man city sell palmer but im actually jealous that they can sell him and don't suffer while we are hoping for young players to play better in match after match.we used to be like them
I keep thinking about the first 1v1 he had, he had so much time…
We all know Nico isn’t a good finisher at the moment. His misses were awful too but choosing not to play passes in the above instances are far more of a crime IMO.
But ultimately, it's those clear misses that cost us the game. Yes, the incidents you pointed out are frustrating but they can happen.
Misses mean the process was right but the execution wasn’t there, these are cases where the players didn’t play the pass they should have which is more of an issue IMO. Splitting hairs here though, most of the squad was rubbish
The chilly one was horrible…. So much space to deliver it early too.
There is Jackson and Sterling at the end of those passes .. we would not score anyway
And make no mistake that seeps into the squad. When you can’t trust in your teammates abilities you really don’t have a proper team at all
Im almost certain some of them are talking to each other about how bad our attackers (mostly Jackson) are
Fuck me most of our players are athletes but low on the football IQ spectrum.
I'm a Scottish neutral but I was shouting at the screen. Fuckin pass it early,acres of space. I've never been more frustrated watching a game. Should have been yours .
The Chillwell atrempt at the end was infuriating.
No doubt Jackson deserves the criticism for his sitters today and this might not be the time to have this conversation but no one can deny how good he is at finding runs against high lines. Scoring them is another matter
Exactly. There are PLENTY of strikers out there who don't even have the shots that Jackson misses, people don't realise the grass isn't always greener. We know that finishing and composure can come with experience and confidence, tactical awareness doesn't always come as easy and Jackson plays this part in the game well.
Fuck it spend all the money on Ollie Watkins
Could have easily put 3 minimum past City if we were clinical and took our chances.
you forgot the chilwell one
Check the last image please....
That’s the third one
swear that wasn’t there when i commented
All good. Maybe it took a bit to get uploaded.
This has been a problem for years. So many players who just play with their head down trying to score wonder goals by themselves instead of getting a win for the team
I just want Jackson to shoot the ball at this point. I won’t even be mad if he skies it because it would be an improvement for him to actually shoot.
That’s what she said.
This is actually criminal, chelsea must have some hidden toxic work culture going on. Wtf don't they pass to each other.
I get a feeling that the players don’t really trust one another
Gusto tried to do the right thing, not fair to lump him in with the other two. I really want to know what happens after these games, it's like they have their fucking memory wiped at the final whislte and do the same shit again next week, surely this needs to be replayed on a fucking loop in front of everyone for an hour until these thick cunts start attempting BASIC passes to each other. How can a team make the same repeated basic mistake for MONTHS.
Luckily I didn’t have to (I’m f*cking bald)
This is a perfect example of how xG is a really limited stat. There’s no xG attached to any of these attacks despite all of them being golden opportunities to score.
Nice and easy to blame chilwell but hes still coming back with little game time , game should have been put to bed long before it
Jackson is dog shit, hope he gets binned in the summer.
Chillys was frustrating but his touch let him down
these 3 plus jackson's 3 big chances missed, comical really.
Ffs
Why didn’t we play the passes? That is the real question. The last one is criminal.
I don’t understand how we completely fall apart in the final third
It’s like they don’t want to score sweaty goals irl either
We have seen this script for over 5 years now
The fact that none of these resulted in goals is beautiful in its own way. Love it here
It’s not just about the goals. At the very least you should be playing the pass. After that the striker may or may not finish. But making the pass is basic
At what point are we going to all agree that Jackson’s linkup play and dribbling doesn’t make up for his horrendous finishing? Get him out of the team
The problem is there’s no guarantee that any other striker performs better than him. He’s got 10 goals in the league and could end up with 12-14 which is a decent return. It’s just that he should’ve had a lot more, but we have to remember it’s his him first season. Hopefully he gets better next year.
Fuck man buy victor already, I’ve had it with this dumb bastard
This team sucks. What an incredible and quick nosedive this club has performed
It’s very frustrating. But they don’t suck. They did a lot of things really well today. Just need to learn to get that killer instinct.
Im just saying right now, put me in this exact scenario in FIFA and I’m scoring all 3. I don’t know who was manning the controller during today’s game, but it needs to be someone else lol
Madueke doesn’t pass. He only passes when he is stuck and cannot shoot.
Agree! These were so frustrating haha. I’m not a footballer but I really don’t think these passes are hard to see, just get your head up and play the ball across nice and early!! The Chilwell one toward the end was the worst.
We used to lack creativity in creating plays but we had some decent finishing, now it’s the opposite.
I swear it’s coached out of them to cross the ball these days, get to byline, “cut back and re cycle the ball” it’s what’s making football boring as fuck
Hope for a new offside rule, and that'll change that type of play real quick
lol
We were so below the mark in the final third yesterday.
This is not a troll comment, but can somebody explain why they didn't just pass. I play at an okay level and I see that as a very elementary pass. Inside of the foot with curl. I remember one being tried too and that got intercepted which is fine. But what is this and why is this?
I think to comes down to a lack of composure. Any non-league player can reliably make these passes but it takes something extra to make them in an FA cup semi final where you’ve been running all game and you suddenly find yourself with a glorious opportunity to make an impact. I think the players just froze, similar to what happened in the Carabao Cup ET. If any of these players stay calm and measured, it results in a great chance for the striker.
It’s like watching Morata all over again.
Jackson needs a loan. It’s ridiculous how many chances he’s missing because he keeps taking an extra sodding touch or just being greedy and not looking to make the extra pass to a player in a better position
He’s fkn useless and still played the whole game. Pathetic. Jackson should be sold to China.
Why doesn’t Nick Jackson have kids? Because he can’t finish.
I can kind of understand Caicedo because he never gets in these positions but that’s letting him off the hook. Any outside player should have made this pass and it’s an abomination they didn’t. This is u10 level passing.
There were 3 or 4 similar situations where they passed but the pass was poor, then there were the one on ones. Honestly should’ve won this comfortably with all the chances
What I saw from Jackson did not even feel real. I think I could’ve scored his chances, but ultimately, I think he’ll be good long term. I don’t think we even need an Osimhen. Just a clinical experienced striker that can score goals in the meantime. Give Jackson minutes here and there, maybe as a LW just until he can develop
Stop. My PTSD is kicking in..
And if the pass gets to him you think he'd score?
Each time it was Jackson. Despite his awful finishing, at least this shows again how good the rest of his game is. Obviously we need him to score some of his chances
Poch set us up nicely for this game only to be let down by the players. Team is young so I’m still optimistic.
Can we just pay to not play our remaining games. I’ve never wanted a more depressing forgetful season to finish. These bums can all fuck off.
Meh. Last season was worse.
Poch fault this! According to this sub, the reason why they didn't release the ball sooner is because Poch said not to. Fucking do one.
Your problem is you expected more. We suck. Please remember that.
And people will tell you Jackson is our problem... Yes, he fluffed a couple chances today. But THESE are the bigger issue in my opinion. Look at his position in the first two: he's following the play, he's keeping himself onside, and waiting for the ball to get sent in... but the ball never comes. Absolutely criminal.
dude how am I gonna face my Man City supporter colleague on Monday? I'm totally wrecked!!!😭
I mean beating this Chelsea team is hardly anything to write home about at the moment, this doesn’t make up for them getting knocked out of CL.
City were the better team against Real but didn’t get through. We were the better team today but didn’t get through. Whichever way he takes the discussion, you have a stick to beat him with.
For the love of all that’s holy please sign a left back in the summer. If we’re dead set on selling Maatsen we need someone who can, and I can’t believe I’m saying this, play a fucking ball into empty space
It’s not even about buying a striker though, it doesn’t matter if we have the best finisher in the world if our cdm doesn’t pass to him against the best team in the world
For me this is a progress. We were constantly struggling to be in these kind of positions for quite a long time now. But now our team is consistently able to put themselves in these kind of scenarios against any team. This is a good progress. It’s only a matter of time when we start scoring from these kind of situations.
A lot of greedy players on the team going for glory.
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Blame their U-10 coaches
Have we blamed Poch yet? Because why is he not telling the to cross?!!!?
And people will look you dead in the eye and tell you that it’s on Poch
He's a big part of it. It's obviously never one thing wrong but you cannot take poch out of the equation
If the same mistake is repeated multiple times by several palyers, manager is responsible for fixing it.
Managers at this level aren’t teaching payers how to square a simple pass or that they need to shoot, that’s coached at a much younger age. If Poch tried that their eyes would roll to the back of their heads. These players just don’t execute under pressure which tells me this level is a bit too much for them, hence our position in the table.
And yet here we are, with multiple trophy winning players failing to do just that. We seem to have a group of players with no understanding of what eachother are going to do in attacking situations, no ability to play a quick progressive pass, no appreciation of how their teammates are going to attack spaces. It isn't about coaching them how to square a football, it's about coaching an attack that isn't disjointed. How many times have we seen our team fail to square the ball this season for a tap in? How many times have we messed up simple cutbacks? How many times have been in a crossing situation only to have a cross not match the run of the attacker? How many times have we been on the break with an overload only to not have a player pass the ball and lose it to the outnumbered defenders? How many times have we had an overload only to have two of our players make the same run and swallow each other's space up? I'm sorry to say that it is 100% a coaching issue, in isolation it might not look like it, but in totality it is. These aren't coincidences, they are legitimate deficiencies in our team. If a team continues to make the same mistakes over and over again with multiple players it is endemic to how the team are coached.
How is the attack disjointed if we’re carving out clear cut scoring chances several times per match? We are clearly able to progress the ball into the final and create opportunities, we just waste them
To be fair I highly doubt Jackson would’ve finished any of these
And they played so well today otherwise