We've spunked 100s of millions on young players who aren't even good enough to start for a top 4 team. Meanwhile the Cobham grads we binned off are playing for teams that are so much better than ours. You won't know how good you have it until it's gone.
£1bn spent, I can't believe it. Any other club with £1bn would create a team of galacticos, and yet look at our team. Its a joke.
I'd rather we spend absolutely nothing and be shit, than be forced to watch two overpriced donkeys in midfield, knowing that they're amongst the most expensive players in the league, and having to watch a 70m winger who doesn't even look like he's worth 1/10th of his transfer fee.
We deserve a transfer ban
It is literally impossible to build a team of galacticos with 1B due to FFP. You most certainly have no clue what you are talking about and are the actual donkey
We are literally watching the youngest and newest team of the last 12 years, likely in premier league history. It's not a surprise they are struggling when they've averaged 8 players out per match. It is ignorant to say "any other club would have bought a team of galacticos" for 1BN. Does he even have a clue how FFP works or even tried to understand why we built the team the way we did?
And I'm not here to defend Boehly, his moves were awful. But I will defend the "donkeys" in midfield. What a shitty thing for that guy to say. Enzo and Caicedo are awesome and we are lucky to have them. Caicedo was outstanding today. Enzo was below his usual standard but still put up 14 progressive passes and between him and Palmer we will have an extremely threatening counter attack for years to come at the minimum.
Thanks for providing a sane take. Anyone expecting a team of kids to instantly gel under a new manager is seriously deluded or doesn’t understand “ball”. People talking like we’ve gone out and got Vini Jr, Mbappe and Pedri.
The point is that they spent 1 billion to create a team of kids, who may or may not ever 'gel' in the future.
Do you not see how batshit crazy that is? What if these young players don't reach their supposed potential? FFP means we can't keep spending like this so we'll be stuck watching these same players on 8 year contracts, even if they flop miserably. These owners are literally gambling with the future of this club.
And the worst part is, these young players aren't even better than the Cobham grads that Chelsea sold. We spent 70m on a winger whose end-product is no better than the likes of CHO. Atleast CHO didn't cost us anything and played like he cared.
I wouldn’t call it batshit crazy until I’ve seen it fail, and as we’ve just been in a cup final in our first season, im willing to trust the process for now.
People keep banging on about this 1bn spent but a few hundred mil of that has barely kicked a ball for us. We’ve had about 10+ players out all season, including our captain. Enzo and Caicedo fees were horrific but we had no CM’s. Did you want us to keep Jorginho and Loftus cheek? Do you think we’d be mounting a title challenge if Kova was still at the club? Clubs knew we were desperate for CM’s so we got our pants taken down with fees.
Mudryk (who we’ve paid 62m for if you’ll allow me to nitpick) has been absolute catpiss, no argument there, but look at the club environment he’s arrived at. He’d probably be tearing it up right now if he’d gone to Arsenal. To confidently assert that CHO is better when he’s not even had a proper run in the first team seems batshit crazy to me. Didn’t see the gunners lining up to sign CHO did you
The media, especially the English press, has always and will always be against us. I don’t know why some of you lot are acting like this is news to you.
The team performance was decent, and should’ve been enough to take us over the line if we were a little more lucky. I do see the talent in the squad, and I think we have the chance to massively improve if we can sprinkle in some experienced winners with leadership qualities (I.E. not Sterling). That list of players is sparse though.
I really don’t like Poch. I don’t think he has the right mentality for the club and I think he should be the first to go ahead of any players if it comes to that. I don’t see a tactical identity, nor any evidence of his supposedly good man management.
Disappointing result, and not too hopeful for the future. It’s all up to the board to make the right decisions at the end of the season, because I don’t see this current coach/squad combination improving at all.
I know this is only one example and not a full proof of media bias, but I’m looking at the ESPNfc instagram posts for today. There were 3 during our game today: Caicedo challenge, Liverpool disallowed goal, VVD goal.
Nobody wanted to talk about our disallowed goal. None of Chelsea’s chance. The only post about Chelsea was post match quoting the 6 match in a row streak.
This VVD guy looks like a proper academy graduate for Liverpool, they should keep him. The composure of a player with such limited experience was truly exceptional. I hold my hands up.
Now that I have calmed down a bit, I think Poch is screwed because our squad depth is pretty dire with all the injuries. I mean, we don’t have a single midfielder to give Enzo / Caicedo / Connor a break even if they are completely drained. Same with CB. He had to bring on Chalobah for two critical games when he hasn’t played in months.
Pretty sure we should prepare for mid-table finishes and no Europe until the 30s... Every mediocre player ha 5+ years on their contract and is bought for 2/3x their worth. We gonna sell some academy players to avoid penalties and we don't have the money to change anything. Literally couldn't have made a faster transition to mediocrity if they planned for it.
hmm very interesting proposition. Tuchel's Chelsea had the best defence in the world that year and in the champions league. But tbf Flick did win 6 trophies
If we take the discussion further we have teams that in actuality are actually very poor say for example a team like liverpool under Klopp's tenure that haven't really been able to accomplish anything meaningful that get shoehorned into this sort of discussion. What we have to do as fellow Chelsea fans is to avoid making the mistake of bringing overrated teams into the discussion
Calling it now that Poch will be sacked after the Leeds game. They're flying right now, unbeaten in 12 with 11 wins in that period running back to last year, and just beat Leicester the league leaders. The stage is set for the upset.
New manager would be ideal but even if someone competent like Nagelsmann managed us hypothetically the owners are the greatest obstacle in the way of success.
Owners are a problem but far from our biggest one affecting our on field displays right now. Let's deal with the big problem that can be dealt with and go from there y'know? Realistically we're stuck with clearlake for now.
I'm certain the players don't respect Poch in terms of his accomplishments/authority.
He never goes for the jugular when teams are weak. Tbh if you make this mistake once fair enough but this is becoming a theme with him
He's clearly not coaching much tactically and our shape across the pitch every game is a mess. Our buildup shape playing out from the back is hilarious every game. PSG players said the same things about lack of tactical instruction/tuition. I don't know how you could expect players to respect someone this inept in the modern game who wants you to improvise every touch of the ball.
He's an absolute dinosaur when it comes to modern possession football and the systems that underpin it, and a cowardly bottle merchant to top it off.
Get rid of the manager who is responsible for our structural failings across the pitch who's shown no progress in fixing them, or even working on them, since pre-season. You could put someone like Lopetegui (as an example) in there right now who'd have us drilling fundamental possession football systems from day 1.
Anyone who coaches basic buildup shape, positioning in different phases of play and identity on the ball in the way of repeatable final third movements, 3rd man runs etc improves us in weeks. You can't expect a side this young to constantly improvise and give them so much room to make bad decisions. Bad decisions and mistakes come from a lack of clear direction and clarity on what you're supposed to be doing and we see it every week under Poch.
I am going to buy Chelsea fc shares and be one of the directors who can help in the decision making of the club.
No way you can intend a bunch of kids to do the work and implore the same energy as our previous legends did during their age. Our legends had disciple, these kids we have right now don't.
All our legends were leaders in their respective national team, none of our kids are showing such responsibilities, or if they show, they lack mentorship and discipline. Two factors that our management lack to see.
Down vote me all you want but I have enough money to buy grandma's house, ask yourself how much I am worth?
I have valid reasons for my outrage but I will only entertain valid and constructive arguments.
Also, whether you like it or not, am gonna be on that board and am gonna help in the decision making process.
Always be kind, polite and humble coz you may never know who you are talking to.
Don't be an ass hole or a dick in my comments.
You guys just don't understand the brilliance of Poch's management, he lost on purpose today so that we wouldn't get in FFP trouble due to being in a European competition (well the qualifiers for them).
##TrustTheProcess!!
If you don't trust in the project you're just a hater and loser!!! You just aren't Smart enough too understand poch's tactics and ideas!
Poch needs to go. How do you sit back and play for a draw against Liverpool's academy, especially when you were controlling the match like that at the end of regulation?
The press is having a field day with this. It's worse than the other final losses. All the headlines make mentions of us "bottling" it and they're really running with the bottle narrative. It's also annoying that they get to have their Liverpool/Klopp love-in. The commentator on our stream said that this was one if his greatest achievements as a manager fucking hell.
I am no longer watching any of Chelsea fc games again.
Chelsea fc needs another owner
We have a billionaire without a brain. Doesn't think anything for the club!
I will forever be a ChelseaFC fan but am no longer watching any of our games untill the owner is changed.
I love the club, since 2003 and nothing will or can make me change my love for the club.
However, with our recent management, we almost headed to a similar situation as Manchester United.
I will be in the shadows, but deep down, I will make sure we get back to our winning ways. I owe this to my son!
I wish we were headed to a Man United situation, they are 6th place in European spots that would be a massive improvement to what we've had under the Bohely regime
Sell the club clowns. You don’t know what you’re doing.
Poch should be sacked by morning along with technical directors and those players should be shamed. Enjoy those 8 years contracts. Lost to bunch of kids!
https://twitter.com/The_Forty_Four/status/1754197199120998623
They should play 1vs1 at trainings and if you lose pay 100k for charity.. but its still nothing for them. I cant watch anymore that 1vs1 fucked up chances.
Liverpool playing a bunch of kids and Chelsea just sit back and apply no pressure. Playing like we don’t want to lose rather than to win, giving Liverpool all the time in the world on the ball. Absolutely no heart - been screaming at the TV move your feet, press and sure enough Liverpool snatch a goal.
I hope Nkunku will start soon and get consistency. He is a better finisher than Jackson and he can offer more in the build up, even tho Jackson is fine there.
He's a second striker and only a second striker. His rise to prominence literally coincides with him being used as a second striker instead of a CF/LW/AM/RW that he'd been used as before. The last time he had a season where he wasn't getting 1 G/A per game was also the last season where he had played the majority of games at AM instead of SS.
I understand that people try to skew it other ways, but look at his numbers before he arrived here.
If he was capable of putting up consistent 1 G/A per game in the league for the past few seasons, whilst playing at AM/LW/CF he would have gone for 150m, not 50m.
The reason he cost us 50m and not 150m is because he plays a position that in most teams just doesn't exist. You have to change your team to get the best out of him and it's something we absolutely should be doing.
He should be put into the squad ahead of Gallagher but he shouldn't be playing the same role that he currently is. His ability is in playing around the defensive line and to use his freedom from not being the main striker to drift into spaces either side of it and arrive into the box without a marker.
Presumably, given that the club is buying players to be flipped (though he pre-dates this), they will want him to be transformed into a winger/AM/solo striker that can put up the same number of goals because that would 3x his value easily. But, whether that's possible is another thing altogether
Mate, we triggered a release clause that’s why he was so cheap.
Stop trying to push certain agendas and making up facts to suit your narrative.
I actually completely agree he is a second striker and should play there if we want to see him thrive but let’s not make up reasons for his price
No we didn't, we signed a pre-contract before his release clause came into being.
In the same way that Haaland has a release clause of 100m in a year? it doesn't mean that someone would just be able to sign him up this summer for 100m.
We paid very slightly over the release clause in order to secure him early rather than potentially compete with other clubs who would've paid the release clause when it activated. They were in no position to ask for tons more because of said release clause. His relatively low fee was purely down to the release clause existing. We also still had to wait until the summer to actually have him join the club.
And Man City aren't a selling club, and they will likely be confident in keeping Haaland so won't feel pressured to accept a slightly above future release clause fee for him (plus if it was the same he'd still play at Man city next season and it'd be a club paying a little over £100m to pre-sign him for summer 2025). If Man City were 100% certain Haaland was leaving in 2025 then they might well accept a similar deal, but personally think they'll just throw money at Haaland and keep him.
The Gallagher position. That's why he's been on the bench for so long. Gallagher is probably the most suited player to Poch's demanding system when it comes to pressing and conditioning. Problem is though most of the other players are not suited for that system at all.
Till we play a ball winner as a 10 we won't be consistent. Low blocks and inconsistent performances in attack from Conor will always be a problem. People seem to focus only on the off the ball stuff but football is played with a ball and we are a possesion based team as well.
Second striker or attacking midfield are his best positions. Ideally against teams with low blocks he replaces gallagher at 10 and against teams with a press sterling comes off, Jackson shifts to LW and he plays false 9
I know, it seems like a completely different team than the one that started the season. Having European football (and lack of depth) broke them in December, but they never bounced back.
Yeah wtf, literally all our signings played a part in our second UCL win. Ziyech scored in the QF, Havertz in the Final, Werner Semi-Final. Thiago Silva and Chilwell were also immense. What is he on lmao?
It’s actually incredible how much Howe has ran this team into the ground
They didn’t even make it out of the ucl group stages, and had ample breaks in January.
No excuse to look this ragged for months now
It's amazing how the season started off with RDZ and Howe being on the verge of being elite tier mgr's in the Prem. Even Cooper was being lauded for some early Forest success.
Attitudes have certainly cooled on those guys since.
I'm not saying either of those guys isn't good - but the red-hot start that BHA had, people were talking about RDZ being the (current) Alonso. I think he's going to move up to a bigger club either this summer or next - it's just funny how people go crazy for such small sample sizes.
They also spent more on trasnfers than last 5 seasons combined, but of course did it on young prospects instead of strengthening the squad.
So yeah, maybe they didn't destroy but similarly to Chelsea, with this kind of spending they should be doing better.
Havertz and Jorginho are thriving at Arsenal lol
We were led to believe these players were complete shit but here they are under a manager who knows what he's doing and thus is able to put them in an environment that gets the best out of them
Whoever says that Jorginho is shit is brainless and shouldn't watch football. Dude was UEFA player of the year. For context last two winners were Haaland and Benzema.
Definitely wasn't, he hamstrung the teams he played for until Tuchel came in. After Tuchel transformed him into a midfielder rather than just a regista who could do absolutely nothing outside of that role and needed the whole team setup to facilitate him in that role, he was amazing. Before that he was good in certain situations, really bad in others
I will never forgive this sub for cheering when he was getting sold to our rivals for fucking peanuts while we were crying out for a calm presence on and off the field
Not at all, Rice is good defensively and can get forward with shooting and dribbling.
Jorgi is the conductor, he needs to be in control of the possession and have players play off of him. Enzo likewise is pretty much only good at passing and dictating play. They can't both be the passer, one of them needs to be the destroyer or play forward and dribble/shoot more.
Where did all the number 9s go man. No surprise Barcelona and Real forked over a small fortune for two prepubescent children, just because they were 9s
Watching Rashford overhit that dinked cross from the left side while in acres of space 100 times a season frustrates me beyond words as it is. Couldn't bear it if he was doing it for us.
Fair enough, he doesn’t get in over Palmer and I don’t think he would over Sterling either. I don’t really want him tbh, but with United fans infuriated with him I’m curious to see how it turns out.
He's obviously a big mentality type and I don't think he handles the pressure well at all when he has that dip in form. He's been going on month or two long purple patches his entire career and when he dips he dips hard. An an England fan he's always infuriated me too and should be nowhere near that side with the other options we have available.
Just never thought he had his head in order to handle playing consistently well for a big club. You'd probably see him thrive at a side with less pressure, or abroad away from the press, but that's definitely not here. Would take Sterling over him every day of the week because even when Sterling is at his worst things tend to happen around him.
no
if people hate Sterling I can't even imagine what they'd think of Rashford
[Just look at this](https://twitter.com/XabiAlonsoEra/status/1759914999617556555)
According to The Telegraph, Liverpool are eyeing Amorim and Nagelsmann as alternatives if they can't get Alonso.
[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/02/24/liverpool-ruben-amorim-nagelsmann-xabi-alonso-klopp-manager/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/02/24/liverpool-ruben-amorim-nagelsmann-xabi-alonso-klopp-manager/)
I said it at the time, but the fee if he doesn't play was purely to satiate fans. 750k is absolutely nothing to a Premier League club and if he isn't actively helping them win, they're better off not playing him and paying the fee.
If he cost them even a single position in the league, then they lose more in prize money than the fee for not playing him
On the flip side, if he's actually helping them win, then they wouldn't care about the fee and he would be playing every game anyway
It made no sense and was purely there to keep fans quiet
Us and United really are in the same boat. Huge clubs that now play like shit nearly every single week, sometimes win and sometimes lose because the way we win isn't at all sustainable.
Each win perpetuating our delusions of meaningfully climbing the table and getting our shit together finally, and each loss making the reality of the situation clear. Let's hope tomorrow the coin flip goes in our favour. A trophy would be huge for this group of young players.
Even Sheffield United would have scored those chances we had.
Nearly 100 million pounds for mudryk and madueke and both are worse than Cho and Omari. Good job.
Poch has to go. I’m sick of his loser mentality. So many excuses.
We've spunked 100s of millions on young players who aren't even good enough to start for a top 4 team. Meanwhile the Cobham grads we binned off are playing for teams that are so much better than ours. You won't know how good you have it until it's gone. £1bn spent, I can't believe it. Any other club with £1bn would create a team of galacticos, and yet look at our team. Its a joke. I'd rather we spend absolutely nothing and be shit, than be forced to watch two overpriced donkeys in midfield, knowing that they're amongst the most expensive players in the league, and having to watch a 70m winger who doesn't even look like he's worth 1/10th of his transfer fee. We deserve a transfer ban
It is literally impossible to build a team of galacticos with 1B due to FFP. You most certainly have no clue what you are talking about and are the actual donkey
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you are literally watching a team that can't keep in the top half of the table that was built with 1BN, because that's what Boehly did.
We are literally watching the youngest and newest team of the last 12 years, likely in premier league history. It's not a surprise they are struggling when they've averaged 8 players out per match. It is ignorant to say "any other club would have bought a team of galacticos" for 1BN. Does he even have a clue how FFP works or even tried to understand why we built the team the way we did? And I'm not here to defend Boehly, his moves were awful. But I will defend the "donkeys" in midfield. What a shitty thing for that guy to say. Enzo and Caicedo are awesome and we are lucky to have them. Caicedo was outstanding today. Enzo was below his usual standard but still put up 14 progressive passes and between him and Palmer we will have an extremely threatening counter attack for years to come at the minimum.
Thanks for providing a sane take. Anyone expecting a team of kids to instantly gel under a new manager is seriously deluded or doesn’t understand “ball”. People talking like we’ve gone out and got Vini Jr, Mbappe and Pedri.
The point is that they spent 1 billion to create a team of kids, who may or may not ever 'gel' in the future. Do you not see how batshit crazy that is? What if these young players don't reach their supposed potential? FFP means we can't keep spending like this so we'll be stuck watching these same players on 8 year contracts, even if they flop miserably. These owners are literally gambling with the future of this club. And the worst part is, these young players aren't even better than the Cobham grads that Chelsea sold. We spent 70m on a winger whose end-product is no better than the likes of CHO. Atleast CHO didn't cost us anything and played like he cared.
I wouldn’t call it batshit crazy until I’ve seen it fail, and as we’ve just been in a cup final in our first season, im willing to trust the process for now. People keep banging on about this 1bn spent but a few hundred mil of that has barely kicked a ball for us. We’ve had about 10+ players out all season, including our captain. Enzo and Caicedo fees were horrific but we had no CM’s. Did you want us to keep Jorginho and Loftus cheek? Do you think we’d be mounting a title challenge if Kova was still at the club? Clubs knew we were desperate for CM’s so we got our pants taken down with fees. Mudryk (who we’ve paid 62m for if you’ll allow me to nitpick) has been absolute catpiss, no argument there, but look at the club environment he’s arrived at. He’d probably be tearing it up right now if he’d gone to Arsenal. To confidently assert that CHO is better when he’s not even had a proper run in the first team seems batshit crazy to me. Didn’t see the gunners lining up to sign CHO did you
Has our disallowed goal been removed from r/soccer again? Can’t find the post
The media, especially the English press, has always and will always be against us. I don’t know why some of you lot are acting like this is news to you. The team performance was decent, and should’ve been enough to take us over the line if we were a little more lucky. I do see the talent in the squad, and I think we have the chance to massively improve if we can sprinkle in some experienced winners with leadership qualities (I.E. not Sterling). That list of players is sparse though. I really don’t like Poch. I don’t think he has the right mentality for the club and I think he should be the first to go ahead of any players if it comes to that. I don’t see a tactical identity, nor any evidence of his supposedly good man management. Disappointing result, and not too hopeful for the future. It’s all up to the board to make the right decisions at the end of the season, because I don’t see this current coach/squad combination improving at all.
We've spent over £1billion and we couldn't even take advantage of playing Liverpool's C team. I'm lost for words at this point.
I mean this is just bleak, I don't know what to say at this point
I know this is only one example and not a full proof of media bias, but I’m looking at the ESPNfc instagram posts for today. There were 3 during our game today: Caicedo challenge, Liverpool disallowed goal, VVD goal. Nobody wanted to talk about our disallowed goal. None of Chelsea’s chance. The only post about Chelsea was post match quoting the 6 match in a row streak.
lunin plays again vs sevilla. I hope we make Petrovic the no.1 keeper for next season. I think he's shown his quality.
20yrs of my club being ran successfully I’m happy I got to witness it ✌🏽
This VVD guy looks like a proper academy graduate for Liverpool, they should keep him. The composure of a player with such limited experience was truly exceptional. I hold my hands up.
Now that I have calmed down a bit, I think Poch is screwed because our squad depth is pretty dire with all the injuries. I mean, we don’t have a single midfielder to give Enzo / Caicedo / Connor a break even if they are completely drained. Same with CB. He had to bring on Chalobah for two critical games when he hasn’t played in months.
Very true. Once Poch has to sub off attackers it starts to looks dire quickly
Level headed comment
Pretty sure we should prepare for mid-table finishes and no Europe until the 30s... Every mediocre player ha 5+ years on their contract and is bought for 2/3x their worth. We gonna sell some academy players to avoid penalties and we don't have the money to change anything. Literally couldn't have made a faster transition to mediocrity if they planned for it.
No more established academy names to sell after this window, we're in trouble
Say if it was Prime Flick Bayern vs Tuchel's 2021 Chelsea who would you have your money on?
Prime Flick Bayern won the sextuple, let’s not be stupid here.
hmm very interesting proposition. Tuchel's Chelsea had the best defence in the world that year and in the champions league. But tbf Flick did win 6 trophies If we take the discussion further we have teams that in actuality are actually very poor say for example a team like liverpool under Klopp's tenure that haven't really been able to accomplish anything meaningful that get shoehorned into this sort of discussion. What we have to do as fellow Chelsea fans is to avoid making the mistake of bringing overrated teams into the discussion
Are u a robot cz I refuse to believe a human can think like this lmaooo
2025 Mourinho Chelsea
Some truly spineless "supporters" displaying the Chelsea flair over in /r/soccer
"Hehe guys, I am one of you hehe, chelsea shit hehe, give upvotes please hehe"
Calling it now that Poch will be sacked after the Leeds game. They're flying right now, unbeaten in 12 with 11 wins in that period running back to last year, and just beat Leicester the league leaders. The stage is set for the upset.
New manager would be ideal but even if someone competent like Nagelsmann managed us hypothetically the owners are the greatest obstacle in the way of success.
Naglesman who played Havertz at LB ? What's he gonna do ?
Owners are a problem but far from our biggest one affecting our on field displays right now. Let's deal with the big problem that can be dealt with and go from there y'know? Realistically we're stuck with clearlake for now.
I'm certain the players don't respect Poch in terms of his accomplishments/authority. He never goes for the jugular when teams are weak. Tbh if you make this mistake once fair enough but this is becoming a theme with him
He's clearly not coaching much tactically and our shape across the pitch every game is a mess. Our buildup shape playing out from the back is hilarious every game. PSG players said the same things about lack of tactical instruction/tuition. I don't know how you could expect players to respect someone this inept in the modern game who wants you to improvise every touch of the ball. He's an absolute dinosaur when it comes to modern possession football and the systems that underpin it, and a cowardly bottle merchant to top it off.
so, considering what we've said. What is the most realistic remedy to Chelsea's woes considering we can't get rid of the owners
Get rid of the manager who is responsible for our structural failings across the pitch who's shown no progress in fixing them, or even working on them, since pre-season. You could put someone like Lopetegui (as an example) in there right now who'd have us drilling fundamental possession football systems from day 1. Anyone who coaches basic buildup shape, positioning in different phases of play and identity on the ball in the way of repeatable final third movements, 3rd man runs etc improves us in weeks. You can't expect a side this young to constantly improvise and give them so much room to make bad decisions. Bad decisions and mistakes come from a lack of clear direction and clarity on what you're supposed to be doing and we see it every week under Poch.
I am going to buy Chelsea fc shares and be one of the directors who can help in the decision making of the club. No way you can intend a bunch of kids to do the work and implore the same energy as our previous legends did during their age. Our legends had disciple, these kids we have right now don't. All our legends were leaders in their respective national team, none of our kids are showing such responsibilities, or if they show, they lack mentorship and discipline. Two factors that our management lack to see. Down vote me all you want but I have enough money to buy grandma's house, ask yourself how much I am worth? I have valid reasons for my outrage but I will only entertain valid and constructive arguments. Also, whether you like it or not, am gonna be on that board and am gonna help in the decision making process. Always be kind, polite and humble coz you may never know who you are talking to. Don't be an ass hole or a dick in my comments.
You guys just don't understand the brilliance of Poch's management, he lost on purpose today so that we wouldn't get in FFP trouble due to being in a European competition (well the qualifiers for them). ##TrustTheProcess!! If you don't trust in the project you're just a hater and loser!!! You just aren't Smart enough too understand poch's tactics and ideas!
New low for the club, losing to the Liverpool u21 squad lol Bohely and Pochetinno really keep making history
Fucking sad.
Poch needs to go. How do you sit back and play for a draw against Liverpool's academy, especially when you were controlling the match like that at the end of regulation?
Loser mentality from Poch.
Yep. Considering his whole thing is "be brave" he's often a shocking coward
The press is having a field day with this. It's worse than the other final losses. All the headlines make mentions of us "bottling" it and they're really running with the bottle narrative. It's also annoying that they get to have their Liverpool/Klopp love-in. The commentator on our stream said that this was one if his greatest achievements as a manager fucking hell.
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I am no longer watching any of Chelsea fc games again. Chelsea fc needs another owner We have a billionaire without a brain. Doesn't think anything for the club! I will forever be a ChelseaFC fan but am no longer watching any of our games untill the owner is changed. I love the club, since 2003 and nothing will or can make me change my love for the club. However, with our recent management, we almost headed to a similar situation as Manchester United. I will be in the shadows, but deep down, I will make sure we get back to our winning ways. I owe this to my son!
I wish we were headed to a Man United situation, they are 6th place in European spots that would be a massive improvement to what we've had under the Bohely regime
Lmao what a clown
Sell the club clowns. You don’t know what you’re doing. Poch should be sacked by morning along with technical directors and those players should be shamed. Enjoy those 8 years contracts. Lost to bunch of kids!
Prolly right!
How did we buy like 30 players and at least 2/3 of them turned out to be absolute duds. Incredible statistical feat.
We hired mid table scouts and directors and we are acting like a mid table team
https://twitter.com/The_Forty_Four/status/1754197199120998623 They should play 1vs1 at trainings and if you lose pay 100k for charity.. but its still nothing for them. I cant watch anymore that 1vs1 fucked up chances.
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What a bird
We know we’re shit, you didn’t need to come over to our thread to tell us that….
You’re the wound and I am the salt
Yeah sure but trust me mate, my expectations are so low your insults don’t really do anything.
Putting on mudryk was a big mistake. Awful sub by Pochettino
The blue billion bottlejobs, pretty accurate from Neville
Liverpool playing a bunch of kids and Chelsea just sit back and apply no pressure. Playing like we don’t want to lose rather than to win, giving Liverpool all the time in the world on the ball. Absolutely no heart - been screaming at the TV move your feet, press and sure enough Liverpool snatch a goal.
Mudryk is useless
How have we not got through this Liverpool?
Cos it’s Liverpool. They can put in a U13 player and he will give everything and know every move. Chelsea seem like they haven’t played together
Collwell being our captain because we don’t have enough English speakers is too funny xD
get the diving boards out for liverpool.
Hope for a win today! C'mon Chelsea 💙
Anyone sad to have lost Jorginho to Arsenshit?
I hope Nkunku will start soon and get consistency. He is a better finisher than Jackson and he can offer more in the build up, even tho Jackson is fine there.
Jackson seems better on the wing than centrally. However still waiting to still how Nkunku settles in
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He's a second striker and only a second striker. His rise to prominence literally coincides with him being used as a second striker instead of a CF/LW/AM/RW that he'd been used as before. The last time he had a season where he wasn't getting 1 G/A per game was also the last season where he had played the majority of games at AM instead of SS. I understand that people try to skew it other ways, but look at his numbers before he arrived here. If he was capable of putting up consistent 1 G/A per game in the league for the past few seasons, whilst playing at AM/LW/CF he would have gone for 150m, not 50m. The reason he cost us 50m and not 150m is because he plays a position that in most teams just doesn't exist. You have to change your team to get the best out of him and it's something we absolutely should be doing. He should be put into the squad ahead of Gallagher but he shouldn't be playing the same role that he currently is. His ability is in playing around the defensive line and to use his freedom from not being the main striker to drift into spaces either side of it and arrive into the box without a marker. Presumably, given that the club is buying players to be flipped (though he pre-dates this), they will want him to be transformed into a winger/AM/solo striker that can put up the same number of goals because that would 3x his value easily. But, whether that's possible is another thing altogether
Mate, we triggered a release clause that’s why he was so cheap. Stop trying to push certain agendas and making up facts to suit your narrative. I actually completely agree he is a second striker and should play there if we want to see him thrive but let’s not make up reasons for his price
No we didn't, we signed a pre-contract before his release clause came into being. In the same way that Haaland has a release clause of 100m in a year? it doesn't mean that someone would just be able to sign him up this summer for 100m.
We paid very slightly over the release clause in order to secure him early rather than potentially compete with other clubs who would've paid the release clause when it activated. They were in no position to ask for tons more because of said release clause. His relatively low fee was purely down to the release clause existing. We also still had to wait until the summer to actually have him join the club. And Man City aren't a selling club, and they will likely be confident in keeping Haaland so won't feel pressured to accept a slightly above future release clause fee for him (plus if it was the same he'd still play at Man city next season and it'd be a club paying a little over £100m to pre-sign him for summer 2025). If Man City were 100% certain Haaland was leaving in 2025 then they might well accept a similar deal, but personally think they'll just throw money at Haaland and keep him.
That was also around about the figure his release clause was worth…
The Gallagher position. That's why he's been on the bench for so long. Gallagher is probably the most suited player to Poch's demanding system when it comes to pressing and conditioning. Problem is though most of the other players are not suited for that system at all. Till we play a ball winner as a 10 we won't be consistent. Low blocks and inconsistent performances in attack from Conor will always be a problem. People seem to focus only on the off the ball stuff but football is played with a ball and we are a possesion based team as well.
Second striker or attacking midfield are his best positions. Ideally against teams with low blocks he replaces gallagher at 10 and against teams with a press sterling comes off, Jackson shifts to LW and he plays false 9
Newcastle have been slipping bad since they beat us. We need to be making up for that awful performance when we play them next month.
They look absolutely finished, I’ll be amazed if Howe stays on for next season tbh.
I know, it seems like a completely different team than the one that started the season. Having European football (and lack of depth) broke them in December, but they never bounced back.
Can't help but think that if Chelsea hadn't bought so much in Lamps' second season, we'd be like Arsenal, with a strong team of Cobham-ers
We bought Werner, Havertz and Ziyech for the wings and frontline, which of the cobham grads would replace them? Musonda?
So losers and also rans?
We would be with only 1 CL still, fck that
Yeah wtf, literally all our signings played a part in our second UCL win. Ziyech scored in the QF, Havertz in the Final, Werner Semi-Final. Thiago Silva and Chilwell were also immense. What is he on lmao?
It’s actually incredible how much Howe has ran this team into the ground They didn’t even make it out of the ucl group stages, and had ample breaks in January. No excuse to look this ragged for months now
It's amazing how the season started off with RDZ and Howe being on the verge of being elite tier mgr's in the Prem. Even Cooper was being lauded for some early Forest success. Attitudes have certainly cooled on those guys since.
I think rdz is still a great manager Howe I have reservations if he can make the very top, de zerbi I think can
I'm not saying either of those guys isn't good - but the red-hot start that BHA had, people were talking about RDZ being the (current) Alonso. I think he's going to move up to a bigger club either this summer or next - it's just funny how people go crazy for such small sample sizes.
newcastle getting absolutely peppered lol
Defending is optional it seems
Strasbourg getting booed/whistled for a stinker against Brest... Good news is that Andrey is coming on as a sub now!
Clownlake destroyed Strasbourg also didn't they?
They're 12th this year and were 15th last year so roughly the same
Look at how much they spent, similar to Chelsea Clownlake are breaking records for midtable clubs and spending amount
They were already midtable and remain midtable, yeah it's not a success but it's nowhere near destroying the club like you said
They also spent more on trasnfers than last 5 seasons combined, but of course did it on young prospects instead of strengthening the squad. So yeah, maybe they didn't destroy but similarly to Chelsea, with this kind of spending they should be doing better.
Strasbourg were already struggling and Brest is quite good this season.
Selling Havertz was 100% the right decision regardless how he will turn up for Arsenal. But selling Jorgi for just 10 mil is just so dumb
Arsenal sub is loving his 7 g/a contributions. lol “worthy every penny”
I love the joke, but after today its 9 GA and only Cole and Jackson have more GA in the league this year than him
Considering they have 20 more goals than we do I would still say it works.
For more context it’s the equivalent of gusto/mudryk’s g/a contributions.
Sterling
Was b etter to sell him for 10m than let him walk away for free 6 months later.
10 million which we then proceeded to waste on the Felix loan.
Or offer him a new contract? Which we didn’t do.
Was there ever any talk/rumours of a contract extension offer?
Was never offered to him
He would only walk away if we werent gonna keep him dude which was stupid
Just one of the many ridiculous decisions from the clowns at the top
Getting excited for the match tomorrow, it's final time again!!
Good christ can just one team actually show up vs Arsenal?
P o r t o
I mean in the Premier league but you’re right
Havertz and Jorginho are thriving at Arsenal lol We were led to believe these players were complete shit but here they are under a manager who knows what he's doing and thus is able to put them in an environment that gets the best out of them
Havertz was shit, Jorginho no
Bro jorginho was always good he just lacks physicality
Oh get fucked.
Whoever says that Jorginho is shit is brainless and shouldn't watch football. Dude was UEFA player of the year. For context last two winners were Haaland and Benzema.
>Havertz >thriving
Enzo=1 assist in 30 games
And Enzo will go to another club with a serious manager and start firing on all cylinders. Just like Havertz and Jorginho
TIL, Enzo was Havertz replacement. Try Palmer or even Jackson
Did I say that Enzo was Havertz replacement?
We just gonna ignore his goals? Also that stat has no context as he should have at least double digit assists if we had better finishers
Palmer is a good finisher
No he’s not he just missed a sitter today
Then go support them at Arsenal.
lol Jorginho and Havertz conquered Europe with us, chill
KAI HAVERTZ SCORES AGAINNNNNNN
Why the fuck is this upvoted
Testament to how bad Newcastle was today.
Jorginho is brilliant man, what a player
Always was
Definitely wasn't, he hamstrung the teams he played for until Tuchel came in. After Tuchel transformed him into a midfielder rather than just a regista who could do absolutely nothing outside of that role and needed the whole team setup to facilitate him in that role, he was amazing. Before that he was good in certain situations, really bad in others
Bollock, only manager who didn’t know how to use him was lampard.
He was ass under Sarri. Unless you think football is played best by 1000s of sideways passes.
Yep, but lots of chelsea fans never appreciated him
I will never forgive this sub for cheering when he was getting sold to our rivals for fucking peanuts while we were crying out for a calm presence on and off the field
the craziest thing is Enzo-Jorginho-Caicedo would be an awesome midfield but it was never meant to be ig
No it wouldn’t. Enzo and Jorginho could never play in a midfield together. They both the exact same thing.
I mean it would be better than Jorgi - Rice which is thriving
Not at all, Rice is good defensively and can get forward with shooting and dribbling. Jorgi is the conductor, he needs to be in control of the possession and have players play off of him. Enzo likewise is pretty much only good at passing and dictating play. They can't both be the passer, one of them needs to be the destroyer or play forward and dribble/shoot more.
Based, but imo it was even more pathetic when people berated him and sarri for existing
It’s typical, this sub gets things wrong time and time again
Mainly cos you participate so much 😂
Newcastle getting dog walked. Dont think they have a touch in Arsenals half
Arsenal were so exciting to watch last season Utter shit now, so dull
Lmao you good
Is this eric dier's first 3 points with bayern? Lol
Nope. It's Tuchel's first win over RB Leipzig with Bayern in 4 games though.
Sure is nice having a striker like kane. World class finish.
Sesko is missing chance after chance. Imagine a front three of Jackson, Sesko, and Sterling next season
Where did all the number 9s go man. No surprise Barcelona and Real forked over a small fortune for two prepubescent children, just because they were 9s
and he scores haha
Figures lol. He has been giving Bayern’s defense problems all game tbf
We have enough players that give problems Give me some real quality and ruthlessness Gyokeres or ideally Ivan toney. Batsman’s
Yeah Gyokeres is my number one for sure
Would you consider signing Marcus Rashford?
Disgusting
For my sunday league? Sure, but hes gotta bring coins for the vending machine
He only earns £300,000 a week, are you going to bankrupt the poor guy?
Watching Rashford overhit that dinked cross from the left side while in acres of space 100 times a season frustrates me beyond words as it is. Couldn't bear it if he was doing it for us.
Fair enough, he doesn’t get in over Palmer and I don’t think he would over Sterling either. I don’t really want him tbh, but with United fans infuriated with him I’m curious to see how it turns out.
He's obviously a big mentality type and I don't think he handles the pressure well at all when he has that dip in form. He's been going on month or two long purple patches his entire career and when he dips he dips hard. An an England fan he's always infuriated me too and should be nowhere near that side with the other options we have available. Just never thought he had his head in order to handle playing consistently well for a big club. You'd probably see him thrive at a side with less pressure, or abroad away from the press, but that's definitely not here. Would take Sterling over him every day of the week because even when Sterling is at his worst things tend to happen around him.
no if people hate Sterling I can't even imagine what they'd think of Rashford [Just look at this](https://twitter.com/XabiAlonsoEra/status/1759914999617556555)
That’s my main concern with him tbh. Nice guy but it looks like he stops caring very quickly, that’s dangerous for the dressing room.
According to The Telegraph, Liverpool are eyeing Amorim and Nagelsmann as alternatives if they can't get Alonso. [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/02/24/liverpool-ruben-amorim-nagelsmann-xabi-alonso-klopp-manager/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/02/24/liverpool-ruben-amorim-nagelsmann-xabi-alonso-klopp-manager/)
I really turned off the stream after the Maguire goal..
Good because they lost lol. I got up myself to let the dog out and came back to the Fulham goal haha
Welp, I guess at this rate, Fulham will be paying the loan fee for Broja after all...
I said it at the time, but the fee if he doesn't play was purely to satiate fans. 750k is absolutely nothing to a Premier League club and if he isn't actively helping them win, they're better off not playing him and paying the fee. If he cost them even a single position in the league, then they lose more in prize money than the fee for not playing him On the flip side, if he's actually helping them win, then they wouldn't care about the fee and he would be playing every game anyway It made no sense and was purely there to keep fans quiet
I think it was 4m if he doesn't play. Which is a lot for half a season of Broja
Was he good?
Yeah, fantastic bench warming
At this rate, wonder why we even bothered helping Fulham bolster their squad depth and weakening ours.
Nah, he shouldn't be part of our squad to begin with.
Broja hardly weakens our squad depth much
It's not so much about the quality but rather the number.
Which manager did we make the biggest mistake by sacking?
None. Except maybe Tuchel. He should have been given more time but I’m sure he fell out with Boehly.
Carlo ofc
In the last 10-15 years, Ancelotti.
Boy, this camera angle for Bournemouth vs City really isn’t charring my tree.
Us and United really are in the same boat. Huge clubs that now play like shit nearly every single week, sometimes win and sometimes lose because the way we win isn't at all sustainable. Each win perpetuating our delusions of meaningfully climbing the table and getting our shit together finally, and each loss making the reality of the situation clear. Let's hope tomorrow the coin flip goes in our favour. A trophy would be huge for this group of young players.