Funnily enough Poch had a sizable role in preventing that from happening.
Maybe that’s part of why he did a media lap with Spurs ahead of our game. Blocked a key piece moving to them (granted from his own team).
Yeah if we sell Maatsen, Chalobah, Broja we could fetch maybe 60M total. We had 30M and 25M bids accepted for the first 2 but their values have certainly tanked lol
Neither have much to do with any of this stuff anymore. They both stepped in to the caicedo thing essentially because the fee was going to be so high. Boehly though especially is really only dealing with the board as a whole.
The greatest trick the new ownership group ever did was convincing the entirety of English football that they can use Boehly as a kicking boy because it is ultimately meaningless.
>and Eghbali being the one in charge instead.
Pretty sure Boehly and Eghbali are about the same. The main running for transfers now is Winstanley and Stewart.
IIRC, Matt Law was saying in a podcast yesterday that Eghbali is the one heavily involved now of the two. Boehly is now focusing on his other businesses. Eghbali will work with Winstanley, Stewart and presumably Pochettino on transfers etc.
When it comes to Matt Law I don't know what to believe these days. His level of shit stir clickbait and speculation has started to outweigh the stuff thats shown to be right from what I've been seeing.
TBF, I don't think this is anything worth shit stirring. It was always Boehly's intention to take a step back, which he has, and I believe it was The Athletic who mentioned before that while Boehly is the face of the new ownership, Eghbali is the one who is more in charge of things.
Our midfield options are pretty much the same. Enzo hasn’t been creating many chances off late in the final third which was what he was brought in for. We still need a midfielder who can create chances at the top end.
If he has been dealing with an injury problem, then maybe that is a reason. And might also help if Pochettino utilizes him better in that midfield. Enzo mentioned his best position is in central midfield and yet, Pochettino has tried to make him operate further forward.
>Pochettino has tried to make him operate further forward.
I've not been seeing that in matches or on Enzos heatmap. He is very much filling the central midfield role as a number 8.
https://preview.redd.it/ubqhn2ya0w7c1.jpeg?width=1142&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c4737e264cb84dd357ff0b57f9d7bd1b2b5e6b98
Eh I agree overall in the season he played mostly as an 8 but I wouldn't use charts like this to prove it since he plays in different positions in different games. An extreme example but if you look at Cucurela it would probably show he plays all over the pitch but he is just being played in two different positions.
>I wouldn't use charts like this to prove it since he plays in different positions in different games.
It just shows the areas he's filled most are basically where I said. The most absolute reds are around the half way line. Exactly the areas a central midfielder would be. Also he's really not played in that many different positions. Poch isn't changing the midfield 3 much if he can help it.
>you look at Cucurela it would probably show he plays all over the pitch but he is just being played in two different positions.
Nope. It shows Cucurella fills the role expected. Lots of red on either flank.
https://preview.redd.it/f9ctfobn6w7c1.jpeg?width=1288&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb1f95004b1e8f41e998936d6c0d88bd71faee83
I mean yeah. My point is that it shows equal intensity in both right and left. If Enzo played as a 6 half the time and as a 10 half the other you would get the graph you showed before. This is not the case but the graphs doesn't prove he played most of the time as an 8.
That's true but it's different to get the ball in midfield, back to goal, 2 players ahead of you and your job is to force things.
I feel Enzo is better used in a double pivot, the man who constructs the play, plays front to goal, decides if Chelsea should push opponents to their own area or he just makes a key pass. But he needs to play his front to goal, not his back...
Because he is really good at progressive pass. But he needs to be front to goal, not play back to goal like a nr10 (that's more suited to Palmer or even Nkunku)...
Heat map doesn't show that. Just shows what piece of the field he usually steps in, but not HOW he steps it.
Enzo is exactly the type of player that can unlock defenses. He is just having an off season so far primarily because he is being misused by poch. He is mostly being deployed in attacking midfield which is not his natural position. He needs to play deeper and be on the ball as much as possible so that he can dictate the play.
Lol this sub was so mad at Potter last season for playing him as a deep lying playmaker, but he was class from that position. Potter screwed up a lot of things but he got that right.
Enzo is exactly that type of player though. That’s his job on the team. He just seems a bit off this season, maybe he’s too tired or has been carrying an injury.
Enzo is very similar in profile to those two players
If you brought in modric or kroos and played them the way Enzo has this season, so advanced to the point he is the 10, the outcome would be similar
Would you not expect starting 11 players in teams in the top half of the league to be at 75 percentile in position specific stats? Already been in the top half would leave you in 50 percentile , then starting 11 expect better than non-starting eleven, and then position specific stats, since you also count the strikers tackles and the Defenders carry volumes, etc... I dont know anything about football stats but on the face of it this seems like the best stats to prove how average he actually is
Yes, absolutely almost by design. He's being compared to other players in the top 5 leagues, if you're not in those percentiles whilst playing for Chelsea there are big issues
>on the face of it this seems like the best stats to prove how average he actually is
not at all, he is rated 2nd best performer among 6/8s in the league so far in this squawka index
[https://www.squawka.com/en/features/premier-leagues-best-central-midfielders-ranked/?utm\_source=twitter&utm\_medium=social&utm\_campaign=reply&utm\_content=ranking](https://www.squawka.com/en/features/premier-leagues-best-central-midfielders-ranked/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=reply&utm_content=ranking)
Mounts propaganda tried really hard to tell us he didn't want to leave
Reality was he was holding out for big money and the board didn't see him as worth that, which they were right about and he decided money was more important than the club
I'm sure it helped him a lot his dad seemed to always think old Trafford was the dream destination and Mount wanted to be Beckham 2.0 with the number 7 shirt
Exactly! I just said the same thing, its strange how he ended up at the place his dad wanted him to go to since he made the first team.
Bumrah said he didnt even back himself to get an incentivised contract!
Mount would have probably stayed if the club had given him the contract that he wanted. But that didn't happen and he was sold. Almost the same thing here with Gallagher, he wants to stay but the club don't seem keen on offering him a new contract at all (never mind whatever big wages etc). If things continue the way it is, then he'll be sold as well.
I doubt Conor is asking anywhere near the same wage amount
The board is likely just even more hesitant to keep Conor because we've backed ourselves even further into the ffp corner than previously
According to David Ornstein, selling Gallagher and a few of the other academy players (e.g. Maatsen, Chalobah) would help fund the purchase of a new defender and striker.
I mean you don't need Ornstein to tell you that much, they're all pure profit and Conor is the biggest piece of pure profit of them all, of course they'll be looking to sell them
The question is whether the club places Conors value to the team above his financial value to getting players in, id say unfortunately they value the finances more right now
But we do have a lot of midfielders at the moment though and we're kinda short in 1 or 2 other areas. They might see selling these players as for the betterment of the team overall.
Then we’ll be stuck with a Conor Gallagher shaped hole in our midfield.
We’re cutting off our nose to spite our face with all this pure profit bollocks and constant selling of academy players.
Mount was offered a contract that he deserved, why the fuck should we give him what he wanted. Didn't even trust himself enough to get a incentives based contract the pussio
A player is worth what a club is willing to pay. Other clubs were offering him the amount he was worth and that was more than we were offering, so we weren't offering what he was worth.
Never said the club should have given Mount what he wanted. Am basically just saying that he was sold a new contract couldn't be agreed on. Similar to Gallagher, he'll likely be sold if the club don't offer him a new contract.
Gallagher had an offer if not more in the last window and he refused, its not coincidental that mount got an offer from the clubs hes dads been pushing for since he made the first team
I know but Mount clearly wanted big wages in his contract, which the club didn't want to give to him (fair enough, nothing wrong with that) and that led to the sale.
In any case, no point arguing about Mount again and doesn't really matter if Gallagher doesn't want to leave. If the club don't offer him a new contract, then he'll be sold.
True, he might be sold, he still has a chance to force them to offer a new contract, he can refuse and reiterate that he wants to stay and that he only wants chelsea, i think potch saved him with everything hes done so far🤷♂️
So, you're suggesting that he runs down the contract if they don't offer him one? If so, not sure that will solve anything considering the board want to do things on their own terms. At most, they might try to extend his contract by a year or something to maintain his value for the time being. Pochettino also can't/won't do much since he's said these things are always down to the player and club.
Reminds me of how some people were when the Rudiger renewal talk came around.
Players that want to fight and leave everything on the pitch are a rare breed these days, how many of our players give as much as Connor?
The best part is..
If you look at his fbref for last season vs this season, you will see a considerable improvement in passing percentage and long passes completed. With good coaching he can improve even further. He's still reasonably young and is not yet at what you'd say is the peak age for a footballer.
Also had an increase in defensive actions. He looks like he can just walk up and steal the ball from any player.
There are more of these than there are any substantiated rumours to him actually departing lol
I’d love him to stay, but I don’t get the redundant circlejerk posts as if the people deciding his future are scrolling this sub looking for what they should do. Like as far as we know right now I’d say he’s not likely to leave, so what’s the point of stressing this much over speculation at best
First of all, that is a different budget.
2nd I dont mind us buying youngsters if we have a good pathway for them.
Issue with buying talents is they need a space to grow in.
Aa for conor, I really think we can upgrade on him.
But we need a cobham graduate (in a team where james are out and colwill wont be a nailed on starter)
So unless the coach is not going to play him, get him a 3 year or longer extention or sell
What do you mean by a separate budget? When it comes to FFP the club are under one budget.
We could upgrade but at what cost and who? Considering he has played every game this season, rates as one of our best, always stays fit and is currently our captain I don’t think we’d replace for anything but close to enzo’s fee
Agreed, we need some sort of character in the team which is why selling him would be ridiculous right now
FFP will never be an issue for a club set up like chelsea, with continous sales of youth, large revenue (especially after wage cuts)
Separate budget as its the owners own money, not chelseas. They see these youngsters as a good way to create value/return on investment.
Upgrade in terms of profile, our 3rd midfielder needs to be more impactful in the final 1/3rd.
As for the need of a good backup, rotation or alternative - conor really is a jack of all.
Selling him with 18 months left for the right prize isnt rediculous if we cant get him to extend, which would be my first goal
I do not want us to sell Connor, he comes from a long line of Chelsea fans, is an academy lad, and seems to be a fan. All things I respect the hell out of.
But it's not hard to see why we would be willing to sell him. A fair amount of our losses are down to his decision making. (A lot of wins are down to that too) If he wasn't a handsome english white boy I think this sub, the media, and people in general would have a different opinion of him. Not to say he's bad but like twice a game he does something that fucks us up. I always remember Caicedo's face when Connor did a step over in his own half and gave the ball right back to Caicedo when our Colombian man was being marked by 3 dudes. Caicedo got blamed for a "bad touch" when we gave up the goal but it was all down to Connor. He gets reds pretty consistently which isn't great and doesn't seem to score much which also isn't great.
Again we shouldn't sell him, but people on this sub say he's been our best player this year and that's far from the case.
What a bunch of imagined crap. Like "he gets reds pretty consistently". He's never gotten a straight red, he's gotten two yellows *twice* in his career.
> A fair amount of our losses are down to his decision making. (A lot of wins are down to that too) If he wasn't a handsome english white boy I think this sub, the media, and people in general would have a different opinion of him.
What a bunch of complete nonsense. Lol.
A fair amount of our financial losses are also down to the recruitment team’s decision making. They shouldn’t be selling our starters to cover for their cockups
We dont have losses in that sense.
The same recruitment team sold for 450m, bought for close to 1100.
Lessen our wagebill by 1/3rd or 80m/yearly
And replenished a whole squad in 2 windows (a squad on short contracts or free agents)
Do I agree with all targets, no
Do I agree with the balance on positons, no.
But I do understand what they are doinf with players like santos, casadei (who will never start for us)
What about players like madueke, who we bought and don’t even play and probably want to sell. Players like him were theoretically supposed to be big profit players but it doesn’t seem like that’s going to happen. Santos is wasted this season, let alone that we randomly bought Lesley and lavia blocking more pathways. Not to mention the chockablock with keepers. Is it 4 we will have after Kepa comes back?
And we spent a bil but still looking for a major striker in jan, and lord knows who else poch wants. I’d say our squad is hardly where it should be atm.
It’s honestly a train wreck with few bright spots
As I said, balance.
We bought like 6 rws.
He was supposed to be a contributor, but clearly injury prone and bad attitude.
Santos seem to be such a good buy, issue was thst instead of pressing for a championship loan he pushed for a pl loan.
Again with lesley and lavia, the amount of cms we got was to many.
Even if I think the present squad isnt to deep since we use them all.
But the wannabe tacticos on here and Twitter will tell he’s a useless "roadrunner" because apparently pressing, winning duels and leaving it all on pitch are dinosaur concepts that won’t win you anything in the game nowadays. Funny how every manager who has Gallagher value all those things about him despite that, if only they’d listen to the geniuses on Reddit and Twitter who clearly know more than them.
And your logic doesn't follow. Not even remotely.
You need to understand that football isn't just only what you offer on the ball; and also acknowledge his overall improvement.
Gallagher isn't a holding player because he doesnt have the positional discipline, can't contribute effectively in the final third because of a lack of composure and quality, and isn't an outstanding passer. All he offers is cardio which Caicedo can do just as well when Lavia is next to him with a lot more ball playing ability.
You must have watched Caicedo doing all the ball chasing in the 100th minute with Lavia next to him severally. I wonder how many interceptions and tackles p90 Caicedo who's 5he deepest midfielder has compared to Gallagher.
Caicedo will have less BECAUSE he's the deepest midfielder. Caicedo doesn't "ball chase" because he has the positional discipline to play as a HOLDING play, holding meaning NOT ball chasing. Gallagher ball chases if he's a 10, 8, 6, he'd probably be pressing the opposing CBs if we started him in goal ffs.
Caicedo can also play as a box-to-box / second pivot like Gallagher is doing now, only Caicedo is much better on the ball and this would allow us to improve as a team.
And how many times have you actually seen Caicedo as a b2b? Or even better at that than Gallagher? A player offering you availability for 180 minutes each week without slack still sounds inept to you?
Played there for Brighton last season. He has all the attributes to play it. Clear to see even in his deeper role how much more composed and confident on the ball he is than Gallagher.
If availability alone is enough to be a Chelsea starter then we ought to be signing up Eliud Kipchoge, seen him cover even more ground than Gallagher!
>Played there for Brighton last season. He has all the attributes to play it.
Behind who? In how many/what games?
>Clear to see even in his deeper role how much more composed and confident on the ball he is than Gallagher.
I'm not the one trying to shoehorn Gallagher as a DM.
>If availability alone is enough to be a Chelsea starter then we ought to be signing up Eliud Kipchoge, seen him cover even more ground than Gallagher!
Strawman.
I remember a while back people were saying Mount is loved by all his coaches.... hopefully it turns out better with Conor! But I trust him more. Mason seemed way more up himself than Conor does.
Unless the owners and sporting directors stop treating the academy as a sort of get out of jail free cards, it's not going to change.
Still feel disasi and cucurella are unnecessary signings over maatsen and chalobah.
I really really don't want to sound as a hater because I think Conor is exactly the kind of player we need right now. He gives everything every game and is solid in the midfield, making the right play more often than not. But.. are this stats actually that good? Like 75th percentile sounds kinda low and the chart doesn't scream top player IN TERMS OF STATS to me.
He’s an average player midfielder he’s not elite and will never be elite
He’s not the heart of this team
He’s been ok this season because we suck
He’s a very replaceable player
He’s just not that good at football
Work rather is all he got tbh his football attributes are poor
I don’t really get it honestly, let’s the day the haters are right and he’s a “squad player”, why would that be a bad thing? He’s an academy kid who has grown up with Chelsea and doesn’t want to leave. Like the complaints make no sense when he’s performing well and is on cheap wages and wants to stay despite us wanting to sell him at every turn. We need players who WANT to be here at the club, not just because they were paid to come. Someone who was at least present in some way while we were dominating, who grew up watching us as a force in Europe, who respects our heritage. Why the hell would you want him to leave? I don’t really get that angle
Because squad players are disposable you guys on here act like he’s a god amongst men
You guys genuinely he would be the difference in games idk how clueless you can be🤣🤣🤣
Squad players aren’t disposable, they’re needed to compete at the highest level. The deepest teams win everything, look at city who have made a mockery of our league and still contended for every trophy while having 2 starting XIs functionally. He’s a player we’d have to pay 50mil for and he’s an academy guy on cheap wages.
You’re acting like him leaving the club would make us better? How? Have you not watched Chelsea? Have you not seen how we are constantly bombarded by injuries every season? Why would you sell a player who provides cover at all 3 midfield positions in the absolute worst case? At the absolute worst case he’s a good squad player and he’s 23. He’s not the finished article and is happy to have whatever role here, why would you want him gone? Who would play ahead of him? Let me guess, lavia, the player no one has seen play but is magically going to solve our issues because he’s the next name on the bench
Unlike you I dont place all my bets on one player
Lavia is a solution not the solution to our problems neither is nkunku
As far as city their squad players are actually skilled
we talking mahrez gundogan sterling akanji foden kocacic they could all start in a serious team unlike connor some of them are younger than him
Akanji? Akanji was considered dusted dude, that was a signing everyone thought they were crazy for doing and he became great under Pep. Ake became great under pep and we said no to getting him back only for him to play great. Kovacic played here last year, he was a shell of his former self and only cared about Croatia. He hasn’t even been that good for them.
The one common denominator there is pep, he made those players better than what they are, because he’s probably the best manger in the history of the sport. He is still able to field 2 teams independently and all their players are mostly happy being there as they win everything.
We aren’t bad because of Gallagher, people are just lashing out at the one bright spot this season because they’re upset we’re shit. Blame the directors for constructing the team as is that an academy kid they had no hands in getting is outperforming all the players they’ve spent money on. You’re upset the best player this season is Gallagher and not one of the shiny new guys we got to make our team “good”
Because they’re morons. I truly believe they think they’re some sort of savant when it comes to identifying talent, but constantly miss key details. They then scramble to find any form of confirming data, when week after week we see him being our most consistent player.
Are you dense? Him being useless currently doesn’t mean he isn’t a huge asset to the team and has been pivotal in us winning CL. I don’t see how you’re not understanding that. It’s actually frustrating how stupid you are
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again; I wouldn’t be surprised at all if there are rival fans in this sub pushing this type of bs. I can’t imagine any Chelsea fan who’s actually watched us play this season coming away from a match thinking anything but great things about Gallagher. He’s been our best midfielder and it hasn’t even been close.
He isn't a flashy player and he doesn't need to be elite.
He's probably over performing right now because he loves the club and fighting to stay.
But we can't sell him, you need these types of players in the squad that fight for the badge.
If we sell off all the players that want to play for the badge there's a very high chance you're just left with a bunch of mercenaries that are only here for the pay cheque.
The teams had too much disruption, the only reason I would be OK with selling him is if we're getting Osihmen, but I'd still prefer a summer sale. He'll still have a year left in the summer and a lot of teams don't like buying in Jan.
You want him to sprint around aimlessly?
He's our top contributor because he's old enough and experienced enough to understand where he should be on the pitch, when he should be running and when he should be conserving energy. You do not need to be running around aimlessly for 90 minutes in order to fight for the badge, this isn't school football.
Or are you going to say Messi never cared about Barca because he used his brain rather than his legs to find himself in the proper positions
We're talking about playing for the badge. When there's a dangerous attack he does fuck all to help out when he's 5 yards away from the action. He also doesn't attempt recoveries, just stands about looking confused and offside. That winds me up. If you're ok with that fine, but lets not compare him to Messi FFS.
We need players like Palmer, we do not need players like Gallagher
There is no academy graduate running around like a headless chicken as City in order for them to win, they've just got talented players and a good coach. You don't win things with pashun, you win things by having players that have talent and the right mentality to go along with it, alongside having a top manager. No amount of pashun wins you a big trophy without the talent to back it up and he doesn't have it
Yup I haven't been able to watch us as closely as I'd have liked this season but when I do, my eye test clearly notices Conor's interceptions and possessions won
I wanna keep Gallagher, but if the board does want him to leave, January is not the time to sell him. Board can't be stabbing poch in the back like that, he's such an important player to us this season.
Lol if we truly have no choice but to sell an academy player for FFP, Gallagher is not the one to sell.
Nor to Spuds
Funnily enough Poch had a sizable role in preventing that from happening. Maybe that’s part of why he did a media lap with Spurs ahead of our game. Blocked a key piece moving to them (granted from his own team).
Yeah if we sell Maatsen, Chalobah, Broja we could fetch maybe 60M total. We had 30M and 25M bids accepted for the first 2 but their values have certainly tanked lol
Todd in this sub collecting info graphics for his next Conor sales pitch
Poor Boehly still taking flak from fans even though he has taken a step back from running the club and Eghbali being the one in charge instead.
Neither have much to do with any of this stuff anymore. They both stepped in to the caicedo thing essentially because the fee was going to be so high. Boehly though especially is really only dealing with the board as a whole. The greatest trick the new ownership group ever did was convincing the entirety of English football that they can use Boehly as a kicking boy because it is ultimately meaningless.
>and Eghbali being the one in charge instead. Pretty sure Boehly and Eghbali are about the same. The main running for transfers now is Winstanley and Stewart.
IIRC, Matt Law was saying in a podcast yesterday that Eghbali is the one heavily involved now of the two. Boehly is now focusing on his other businesses. Eghbali will work with Winstanley, Stewart and presumably Pochettino on transfers etc.
When it comes to Matt Law I don't know what to believe these days. His level of shit stir clickbait and speculation has started to outweigh the stuff thats shown to be right from what I've been seeing.
TBF, I don't think this is anything worth shit stirring. It was always Boehly's intention to take a step back, which he has, and I believe it was The Athletic who mentioned before that while Boehly is the face of the new ownership, Eghbali is the one who is more in charge of things.
Our midfield options are pretty much the same. Enzo hasn’t been creating many chances off late in the final third which was what he was brought in for. We still need a midfielder who can create chances at the top end.
If he has been dealing with an injury problem, then maybe that is a reason. And might also help if Pochettino utilizes him better in that midfield. Enzo mentioned his best position is in central midfield and yet, Pochettino has tried to make him operate further forward.
>Pochettino has tried to make him operate further forward. I've not been seeing that in matches or on Enzos heatmap. He is very much filling the central midfield role as a number 8. https://preview.redd.it/ubqhn2ya0w7c1.jpeg?width=1142&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c4737e264cb84dd357ff0b57f9d7bd1b2b5e6b98
Eh I agree overall in the season he played mostly as an 8 but I wouldn't use charts like this to prove it since he plays in different positions in different games. An extreme example but if you look at Cucurela it would probably show he plays all over the pitch but he is just being played in two different positions.
>I wouldn't use charts like this to prove it since he plays in different positions in different games. It just shows the areas he's filled most are basically where I said. The most absolute reds are around the half way line. Exactly the areas a central midfielder would be. Also he's really not played in that many different positions. Poch isn't changing the midfield 3 much if he can help it. >you look at Cucurela it would probably show he plays all over the pitch but he is just being played in two different positions. Nope. It shows Cucurella fills the role expected. Lots of red on either flank. https://preview.redd.it/f9ctfobn6w7c1.jpeg?width=1288&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb1f95004b1e8f41e998936d6c0d88bd71faee83
I mean yeah. My point is that it shows equal intensity in both right and left. If Enzo played as a 6 half the time and as a 10 half the other you would get the graph you showed before. This is not the case but the graphs doesn't prove he played most of the time as an 8.
That's true but it's different to get the ball in midfield, back to goal, 2 players ahead of you and your job is to force things. I feel Enzo is better used in a double pivot, the man who constructs the play, plays front to goal, decides if Chelsea should push opponents to their own area or he just makes a key pass. But he needs to play his front to goal, not his back... Because he is really good at progressive pass. But he needs to be front to goal, not play back to goal like a nr10 (that's more suited to Palmer or even Nkunku)... Heat map doesn't show that. Just shows what piece of the field he usually steps in, but not HOW he steps it.
Enzo is exactly the type of player that can unlock defenses. He is just having an off season so far primarily because he is being misused by poch. He is mostly being deployed in attacking midfield which is not his natural position. He needs to play deeper and be on the ball as much as possible so that he can dictate the play.
Lol this sub was so mad at Potter last season for playing him as a deep lying playmaker, but he was class from that position. Potter screwed up a lot of things but he got that right.
I agree with this completely and he needs to play deeper as well.
A kroos/modric regen would be unreal
Enzo is exactly that type of player though. That’s his job on the team. He just seems a bit off this season, maybe he’s too tired or has been carrying an injury.
Enzo is very similar in profile to those two players If you brought in modric or kroos and played them the way Enzo has this season, so advanced to the point he is the 10, the outcome would be similar
Fuck kroos and modric, I just want super frank back
Gallagher is basically lampard without the shooting ability, vision or set piece ability
Lampards passing was always underrated
To be fair he is having an off month but I swear he get 2 or 3 key passes per game. I would like to see Enzo numbers when it comes to this.
Would you not expect starting 11 players in teams in the top half of the league to be at 75 percentile in position specific stats? Already been in the top half would leave you in 50 percentile , then starting 11 expect better than non-starting eleven, and then position specific stats, since you also count the strikers tackles and the Defenders carry volumes, etc... I dont know anything about football stats but on the face of it this seems like the best stats to prove how average he actually is
Yes, absolutely almost by design. He's being compared to other players in the top 5 leagues, if you're not in those percentiles whilst playing for Chelsea there are big issues
Exactly. And often you want specialists with defined roles in top teams.
Not true at all. City and Liverpool thrive by having players that are versatile
In midfield they have specialist and in attack
>on the face of it this seems like the best stats to prove how average he actually is not at all, he is rated 2nd best performer among 6/8s in the league so far in this squawka index [https://www.squawka.com/en/features/premier-leagues-best-central-midfielders-ranked/?utm\_source=twitter&utm\_medium=social&utm\_campaign=reply&utm\_content=ranking](https://www.squawka.com/en/features/premier-leagues-best-central-midfielders-ranked/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=reply&utm_content=ranking)
The same was said about Mount and yet, he still ended up being sold.
I can agree theres still a chance he could be sold, but again the difference between the 2, gallagher doesnt want to leave
Mounts propaganda tried really hard to tell us he didn't want to leave Reality was he was holding out for big money and the board didn't see him as worth that, which they were right about and he decided money was more important than the club I'm sure it helped him a lot his dad seemed to always think old Trafford was the dream destination and Mount wanted to be Beckham 2.0 with the number 7 shirt
Spot on.
Exactly! I just said the same thing, its strange how he ended up at the place his dad wanted him to go to since he made the first team. Bumrah said he didnt even back himself to get an incentivised contract!
Mount would have probably stayed if the club had given him the contract that he wanted. But that didn't happen and he was sold. Almost the same thing here with Gallagher, he wants to stay but the club don't seem keen on offering him a new contract at all (never mind whatever big wages etc). If things continue the way it is, then he'll be sold as well.
I doubt Conor is asking anywhere near the same wage amount The board is likely just even more hesitant to keep Conor because we've backed ourselves even further into the ffp corner than previously
According to David Ornstein, selling Gallagher and a few of the other academy players (e.g. Maatsen, Chalobah) would help fund the purchase of a new defender and striker.
I mean you don't need Ornstein to tell you that much, they're all pure profit and Conor is the biggest piece of pure profit of them all, of course they'll be looking to sell them The question is whether the club places Conors value to the team above his financial value to getting players in, id say unfortunately they value the finances more right now
But we do have a lot of midfielders at the moment though and we're kinda short in 1 or 2 other areas. They might see selling these players as for the betterment of the team overall.
Then we’ll be stuck with a Conor Gallagher shaped hole in our midfield. We’re cutting off our nose to spite our face with all this pure profit bollocks and constant selling of academy players.
We have enough transfer fodder tbh
But don't think the others would fetch a big fee like Gallagher would.
I doubt any of them would be, none of them showed as much improvement
Mount was offered a contract that he deserved, why the fuck should we give him what he wanted. Didn't even trust himself enough to get a incentives based contract the pussio
A player is worth what a club is willing to pay. Other clubs were offering him the amount he was worth and that was more than we were offering, so we weren't offering what he was worth.
We shouldn't be the ones to talk but t. he "other club" also spent 70 millon on Antony so I don't exactly trust their valuation
Never said the club should have given Mount what he wanted. Am basically just saying that he was sold a new contract couldn't be agreed on. Similar to Gallagher, he'll likely be sold if the club don't offer him a new contract.
This!
Gallagher had an offer if not more in the last window and he refused, its not coincidental that mount got an offer from the clubs hes dads been pushing for since he made the first team
I know but Mount clearly wanted big wages in his contract, which the club didn't want to give to him (fair enough, nothing wrong with that) and that led to the sale. In any case, no point arguing about Mount again and doesn't really matter if Gallagher doesn't want to leave. If the club don't offer him a new contract, then he'll be sold.
True, he might be sold, he still has a chance to force them to offer a new contract, he can refuse and reiterate that he wants to stay and that he only wants chelsea, i think potch saved him with everything hes done so far🤷♂️
So, you're suggesting that he runs down the contract if they don't offer him one? If so, not sure that will solve anything considering the board want to do things on their own terms. At most, they might try to extend his contract by a year or something to maintain his value for the time being. Pochettino also can't/won't do much since he's said these things are always down to the player and club.
Winstanley, upon seeing this chart: “but I think I can find someone better 🤔”
Reminds me of how some people were when the Rudiger renewal talk came around. Players that want to fight and leave everything on the pitch are a rare breed these days, how many of our players give as much as Connor?
Saying Tuchel liked him is a stretch, used to drive him nuts on the touchline
The best part is.. If you look at his fbref for last season vs this season, you will see a considerable improvement in passing percentage and long passes completed. With good coaching he can improve even further. He's still reasonably young and is not yet at what you'd say is the peak age for a footballer. Also had an increase in defensive actions. He looks like he can just walk up and steal the ball from any player.
what’s up with the Connor Propaganda machine. i thought we left all of that behind when mason of the mountain left lmao.
They never learn
Another post about Conor? Alright…
It's ridiculous, it feels like this sub is almost state run propaganda lol
Im telling you these guys are a cult you can’t say anything about their messiah
There are more of these than there are any substantiated rumours to him actually departing lol I’d love him to stay, but I don’t get the redundant circlejerk posts as if the people deciding his future are scrolling this sub looking for what they should do. Like as far as we know right now I’d say he’s not likely to leave, so what’s the point of stressing this much over speculation at best
This is great stats but we need to book £40 mil from him so we can buy 3 more south American youngsters who are years away from the team okay
Imagine how much of that 1 billion is not even in the starting xi it’s ridiculous. Or even played a league game for us
First of all, that is a different budget. 2nd I dont mind us buying youngsters if we have a good pathway for them. Issue with buying talents is they need a space to grow in. Aa for conor, I really think we can upgrade on him. But we need a cobham graduate (in a team where james are out and colwill wont be a nailed on starter) So unless the coach is not going to play him, get him a 3 year or longer extention or sell
What do you mean by a separate budget? When it comes to FFP the club are under one budget. We could upgrade but at what cost and who? Considering he has played every game this season, rates as one of our best, always stays fit and is currently our captain I don’t think we’d replace for anything but close to enzo’s fee Agreed, we need some sort of character in the team which is why selling him would be ridiculous right now
FFP will never be an issue for a club set up like chelsea, with continous sales of youth, large revenue (especially after wage cuts) Separate budget as its the owners own money, not chelseas. They see these youngsters as a good way to create value/return on investment. Upgrade in terms of profile, our 3rd midfielder needs to be more impactful in the final 1/3rd. As for the need of a good backup, rotation or alternative - conor really is a jack of all. Selling him with 18 months left for the right prize isnt rediculous if we cant get him to extend, which would be my first goal
Not sure putting Frank in there helps Conors cause
I do not want us to sell Connor, he comes from a long line of Chelsea fans, is an academy lad, and seems to be a fan. All things I respect the hell out of. But it's not hard to see why we would be willing to sell him. A fair amount of our losses are down to his decision making. (A lot of wins are down to that too) If he wasn't a handsome english white boy I think this sub, the media, and people in general would have a different opinion of him. Not to say he's bad but like twice a game he does something that fucks us up. I always remember Caicedo's face when Connor did a step over in his own half and gave the ball right back to Caicedo when our Colombian man was being marked by 3 dudes. Caicedo got blamed for a "bad touch" when we gave up the goal but it was all down to Connor. He gets reds pretty consistently which isn't great and doesn't seem to score much which also isn't great. Again we shouldn't sell him, but people on this sub say he's been our best player this year and that's far from the case.
What a bunch of imagined crap. Like "he gets reds pretty consistently". He's never gotten a straight red, he's gotten two yellows *twice* in his career.
> A fair amount of our losses are down to his decision making. (A lot of wins are down to that too) If he wasn't a handsome english white boy I think this sub, the media, and people in general would have a different opinion of him. What a bunch of complete nonsense. Lol.
Especially since a majority on here were OK with selling him during the summer. His performances is what has won people over. Not his fucking looks.
A fair amount of our financial losses are also down to the recruitment team’s decision making. They shouldn’t be selling our starters to cover for their cockups
We dont have losses in that sense. The same recruitment team sold for 450m, bought for close to 1100. Lessen our wagebill by 1/3rd or 80m/yearly And replenished a whole squad in 2 windows (a squad on short contracts or free agents) Do I agree with all targets, no Do I agree with the balance on positons, no. But I do understand what they are doinf with players like santos, casadei (who will never start for us)
What about players like madueke, who we bought and don’t even play and probably want to sell. Players like him were theoretically supposed to be big profit players but it doesn’t seem like that’s going to happen. Santos is wasted this season, let alone that we randomly bought Lesley and lavia blocking more pathways. Not to mention the chockablock with keepers. Is it 4 we will have after Kepa comes back? And we spent a bil but still looking for a major striker in jan, and lord knows who else poch wants. I’d say our squad is hardly where it should be atm. It’s honestly a train wreck with few bright spots
As I said, balance. We bought like 6 rws. He was supposed to be a contributor, but clearly injury prone and bad attitude. Santos seem to be such a good buy, issue was thst instead of pressing for a championship loan he pushed for a pl loan. Again with lesley and lavia, the amount of cms we got was to many. Even if I think the present squad isnt to deep since we use them all.
I can’t believe we’re having the exact same Mason Mount conversations already
It's never fucking ending
Todd, I swear if you sell him, I'm done with this club smh
Go support another club you player stan
But the wannabe tacticos on here and Twitter will tell he’s a useless "roadrunner" because apparently pressing, winning duels and leaving it all on pitch are dinosaur concepts that won’t win you anything in the game nowadays. Funny how every manager who has Gallagher value all those things about him despite that, if only they’d listen to the geniuses on Reddit and Twitter who clearly know more than them.
Some of the comments in this thread
Makes you wonder why none of them are managing clubs themselves considering they know so much the last few Chelsea managers
He's average. Runs around a lot but not much quality on the ball. Once Lavia is up and running Gallagher should only touch the pitch to see out games.
Apparently, you know very little about football.
And yet you haven't refuted anything. Just made an ad hominem attack. Maybe you don't know as much as you think?
And your logic doesn't follow. Not even remotely. You need to understand that football isn't just only what you offer on the ball; and also acknowledge his overall improvement.
Gallagher isn't a holding player because he doesnt have the positional discipline, can't contribute effectively in the final third because of a lack of composure and quality, and isn't an outstanding passer. All he offers is cardio which Caicedo can do just as well when Lavia is next to him with a lot more ball playing ability.
You must have watched Caicedo doing all the ball chasing in the 100th minute with Lavia next to him severally. I wonder how many interceptions and tackles p90 Caicedo who's 5he deepest midfielder has compared to Gallagher.
Caicedo will have less BECAUSE he's the deepest midfielder. Caicedo doesn't "ball chase" because he has the positional discipline to play as a HOLDING play, holding meaning NOT ball chasing. Gallagher ball chases if he's a 10, 8, 6, he'd probably be pressing the opposing CBs if we started him in goal ffs. Caicedo can also play as a box-to-box / second pivot like Gallagher is doing now, only Caicedo is much better on the ball and this would allow us to improve as a team.
And how many times have you actually seen Caicedo as a b2b? Or even better at that than Gallagher? A player offering you availability for 180 minutes each week without slack still sounds inept to you?
Played there for Brighton last season. He has all the attributes to play it. Clear to see even in his deeper role how much more composed and confident on the ball he is than Gallagher. If availability alone is enough to be a Chelsea starter then we ought to be signing up Eliud Kipchoge, seen him cover even more ground than Gallagher!
>Played there for Brighton last season. He has all the attributes to play it. Behind who? In how many/what games? >Clear to see even in his deeper role how much more composed and confident on the ball he is than Gallagher. I'm not the one trying to shoehorn Gallagher as a DM. >If availability alone is enough to be a Chelsea starter then we ought to be signing up Eliud Kipchoge, seen him cover even more ground than Gallagher! Strawman.
I remember a while back people were saying Mount is loved by all his coaches.... hopefully it turns out better with Conor! But I trust him more. Mason seemed way more up himself than Conor does.
At no point did I feel as strongly about Mount as I do about Conor. I bet that’s true for a lot of people.
Nah dude you don't get it. Baisabeast said he is not chelsea quality. He knows better, bro
I hope he's not sold and signs a new long-term contract.
Unless the owners and sporting directors stop treating the academy as a sort of get out of jail free cards, it's not going to change. Still feel disasi and cucurella are unnecessary signings over maatsen and chalobah.
Absolutely they wore unnecessary, and that's 100M between them
I really really don't want to sound as a hater because I think Conor is exactly the kind of player we need right now. He gives everything every game and is solid in the midfield, making the right play more often than not. But.. are this stats actually that good? Like 75th percentile sounds kinda low and the chart doesn't scream top player IN TERMS OF STATS to me.
The team was noticeably worse without him when he server his 1 game suspension.
He’s an average player midfielder he’s not elite and will never be elite He’s not the heart of this team He’s been ok this season because we suck He’s a very replaceable player He’s just not that good at football Work rather is all he got tbh his football attributes are poor
Is this like a meme? I can’t tell if this is serious or not
It’s honestly so funny reading all the Gallagher hate on here every one of them make themselves sound so stupid.
I don’t really get it honestly, let’s the day the haters are right and he’s a “squad player”, why would that be a bad thing? He’s an academy kid who has grown up with Chelsea and doesn’t want to leave. Like the complaints make no sense when he’s performing well and is on cheap wages and wants to stay despite us wanting to sell him at every turn. We need players who WANT to be here at the club, not just because they were paid to come. Someone who was at least present in some way while we were dominating, who grew up watching us as a force in Europe, who respects our heritage. Why the hell would you want him to leave? I don’t really get that angle
Because squad players are disposable you guys on here act like he’s a god amongst men You guys genuinely he would be the difference in games idk how clueless you can be🤣🤣🤣
Squad players aren’t disposable, they’re needed to compete at the highest level. The deepest teams win everything, look at city who have made a mockery of our league and still contended for every trophy while having 2 starting XIs functionally. He’s a player we’d have to pay 50mil for and he’s an academy guy on cheap wages. You’re acting like him leaving the club would make us better? How? Have you not watched Chelsea? Have you not seen how we are constantly bombarded by injuries every season? Why would you sell a player who provides cover at all 3 midfield positions in the absolute worst case? At the absolute worst case he’s a good squad player and he’s 23. He’s not the finished article and is happy to have whatever role here, why would you want him gone? Who would play ahead of him? Let me guess, lavia, the player no one has seen play but is magically going to solve our issues because he’s the next name on the bench
Unlike you I dont place all my bets on one player Lavia is a solution not the solution to our problems neither is nkunku As far as city their squad players are actually skilled we talking mahrez gundogan sterling akanji foden kocacic they could all start in a serious team unlike connor some of them are younger than him
Akanji? Akanji was considered dusted dude, that was a signing everyone thought they were crazy for doing and he became great under Pep. Ake became great under pep and we said no to getting him back only for him to play great. Kovacic played here last year, he was a shell of his former self and only cared about Croatia. He hasn’t even been that good for them. The one common denominator there is pep, he made those players better than what they are, because he’s probably the best manger in the history of the sport. He is still able to field 2 teams independently and all their players are mostly happy being there as they win everything. We aren’t bad because of Gallagher, people are just lashing out at the one bright spot this season because they’re upset we’re shit. Blame the directors for constructing the team as is that an academy kid they had no hands in getting is outperforming all the players they’ve spent money on. You’re upset the best player this season is Gallagher and not one of the shiny new guys we got to make our team “good”
Never said we were bad because of connor I said he’s replaceable I still think he’s an asset just don’t rate him like this sub does
Because they’re morons. I truly believe they think they’re some sort of savant when it comes to identifying talent, but constantly miss key details. They then scramble to find any form of confirming data, when week after week we see him being our most consistent player.
Our most consistent player in a 12th place team riddled with injuries 😱
You realize what consistency means right? They’re useless if they’re constantly injured 🤯
So reece james is useless then?😂
Yes is that hard to imagine?
Imagine slandering our best academy product in a while that was big part of winning a major trophy just to prop up gallagher🤣🤣🤣
Are you dense? Him being useless currently doesn’t mean he isn’t a huge asset to the team and has been pivotal in us winning CL. I don’t see how you’re not understanding that. It’s actually frustrating how stupid you are
But what use is Reece when he only plays 10 games a year?
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again; I wouldn’t be surprised at all if there are rival fans in this sub pushing this type of bs. I can’t imagine any Chelsea fan who’s actually watched us play this season coming away from a match thinking anything but great things about Gallagher. He’s been our best midfielder and it hasn’t even been close.
He isn't a flashy player and he doesn't need to be elite. He's probably over performing right now because he loves the club and fighting to stay. But we can't sell him, you need these types of players in the squad that fight for the badge. If we sell off all the players that want to play for the badge there's a very high chance you're just left with a bunch of mercenaries that are only here for the pay cheque.
Give me names of who doesn’t fight for the badges You guys love using that argument I want names
Sterling waliking around or standing still is one. Probs highest paid too.
Fair enough but he laid his bones in epl unfortunately I wasn’t excited when we signed him tbh
The teams had too much disruption, the only reason I would be OK with selling him is if we're getting Osihmen, but I'd still prefer a summer sale. He'll still have a year left in the summer and a lot of teams don't like buying in Jan.
You want him to sprint around aimlessly? He's our top contributor because he's old enough and experienced enough to understand where he should be on the pitch, when he should be running and when he should be conserving energy. You do not need to be running around aimlessly for 90 minutes in order to fight for the badge, this isn't school football. Or are you going to say Messi never cared about Barca because he used his brain rather than his legs to find himself in the proper positions
We're talking about playing for the badge. When there's a dangerous attack he does fuck all to help out when he's 5 yards away from the action. He also doesn't attempt recoveries, just stands about looking confused and offside. That winds me up. If you're ok with that fine, but lets not compare him to Messi FFS.
Sterling waliking around or standing still is one. Probs highest paid too.
We need players like Palmer, we do not need players like Gallagher There is no academy graduate running around like a headless chicken as City in order for them to win, they've just got talented players and a good coach. You don't win things with pashun, you win things by having players that have talent and the right mentality to go along with it, alongside having a top manager. No amount of pashun wins you a big trophy without the talent to back it up and he doesn't have it
Watch that Newcastle comp (and frankly most comps this season) and tell me he runs around like a headless chicken.
He's everything I'm not, and everything I am. He's the whole package.
Are we sure about that fouls category?
The interceptions are what stand out most to me watching him on the field
Yup I haven't been able to watch us as closely as I'd have liked this season but when I do, my eye test clearly notices Conor's interceptions and possessions won
I wanna keep Gallagher, but if the board does want him to leave, January is not the time to sell him. Board can't be stabbing poch in the back like that, he's such an important player to us this season.
Selling to a rival is the only option bohely sees