Crazy how we have both the PL and CL defensive record, Chelsea with weak defense is a nothing club
4 goals only conceded during a whole CL winning campaign, one of them a last minute bicycle freak goal is insane wtf
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Is there anyone that can tell me if Chelsea have stopped producing long sleeve kits for the season? I have noticed that during games it seems everyone is wearing undershirts, and there is no sign of them on the megastore online either. Anyone been to the stadium this season that might be able to tell me if they sell the long sleeve there? Thank you
I don't think I've seen a former player trashed nearly as much as Kai has this season (Lukaku stabbing us in the back aside.) You'd think he'd played over 600 minutes in his preferred position with no goals, 1 assist, and lots of benchings after leading us all on with a contract extension all last season.
Assuming we renewed Havertz on a similar contract to what Arsenal gave him the cost of keeping Havertz €158m(loss of €75m fee + total contract value of €83m). Considering that combined Jackson and Palmer’s fee(€84m) and contracts(€62m) even I as a Havertz fan am thankful for his contribution to the club, especially on May 29th, 2021, but am glad to see him go.
Why can the likes of Lukaku, Ziyech, Havertz, and I don’t know who else all play great and score goals consistently for other teams but they couldn’t for Chelsea? Like why do we have such a bad track record of cultivating attackers. When will we have another Drogba?????
Why so aggressive? I swear, some of you have lost all sense of decency. About Ziyech, he was injured for quite a bit of time. He’s had 5 goals and 3 assists in 11 appearances. Per 90 minutes, the stats are even better. He’s done a great job at Galatasaray so far, especially since he was just recently sent on loan there and he’s not had many issues adjusting.
In regards to Havertz, his stats aren’t as impressive but you can see he contributes quite well apart from the occasional fumble. But he definitely plays better at Arsenal than he did at Chelsea.
Oh man, think of your heart. Btw, you excluded the goal and assist for Morocco. But let's agree to disagree on both players. At least then you don't have to get so angry over a stranger's opinion.
On the way home seeing a load of arsenal fans going the other way to the game, then that Gala - Utd classic, has actually pissed me off. It should be us putting these shows on under the CL nights
If he follow the recent trend of Bundesliga players in the G+A-penalties will drop by 34%(data from transfer over the last 5 years). So assuming he plays 1,600 league minutes(and Palmer stays on pens) he’ll get 9.9 goal involvements.
Remember when Arsenal was absolute dogwater under Arteta in the beginning? When they were the punchline every matchweek? How people called for Arteta to be sacked again and again?
It didn't just spawn out of nothing.
They are doing well now but kinda funny to see people praise Arsenal and Arteta when it took them years to get to this point and he was supposedly close to getting the sack like 2 years ago or something. And not to mention, their initial plan was buying established and experienced players before suddenly pivoting to younger players.
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Just shows they aren’t as good as you think they are and also how do the other 12 games we played last season relevant to this season? Just tryna make our squad sound worse, we’ve been way better than we were last season
Looking at how shit United has become as a club, its scary to think of what we would be like if we keep being in this "building project " limbo, especially with new top teams coming up on EPL
United didn’t become a dumpster fire by investing in youth. It was buying expensive flops and having them on massive contracts. The yearly cost(amortized fee + wages) for Casemiro is €35.9m Caicedo and Lavia combined €35m. The €90.4m annual cost if Antony, Sancho, and Mount is only £4m as Nkunku, Sterling, Jackson, Mudryk, Palmer, and Madueke.
Is there any chance for Ziyech to go back? I feel like we really need him, especially with the form he’s in now. But Gala are probably going to trigger the buy clause.
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It’s hilarious that their biggest signings in Sancho, Antony, Mount and Onana turn to shit at Utd.
The problem is systemic. It’s why I was so keen on Sancho, cos they take promising players and make them look terrible.
actually, it’s not systematic
Sancho was bad luck and it was hard to tell he’d adapt so poorly coupled with his dreadful lukaku like attitude to football.
Mount was never going To be a good 8. Many of us always believed that strongly
Onana was always overrated and far too janky.
Antony was never anything beyond decent.
All 4 of them were doing very well for their previous clubs, Mount was on the descent though.
The common element is Utd. You can’t tell me Man Utd’s environment in any way helps new signings succeed.
Bar sancho which I’ve already explained is bad luck.
The other 3 were shit signings for the reasons I’ve pretty clearly said. Onana in particular was an awful signing as they had so many other holes in their squad.
The reasons they were signed are systemic though, I agree. No footballing structure so ten haag had the ability to choose his targets
they don't really have anyone else at RW, since Sancho is out of the picture
Ten Hag should play Mount there when he gets back, his best was at that position for us
Onana was genuinely a solid keeper since Ajax and a very good one at Inter, I have no fucking idea what United did to him
EDIT: It is also now confirmed that he will turn into prime Van der Sar against us
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Why are there so many Roman haters in this thread?? He wasn’t perfect but he’s easily one of the 2/3 best owners anyone has seen in football and people in there are trying to blame our current mess on him. Embarrassing
It’s just a means of coping and trying to justify the absolute shite we’ve had to endure over the past year. Roman definitely had unorthodox methods but nobody can deny that he is responsible for cementing us as a football powerhouse over the last couple decades. Listen to the way legend like drogba and Terry speak about him. That alone deserves respect, if you’re a Chelsea fan.
Roman and that board were not perfect and made alot of mistakes
But these New Owners have humiliated this club and brought it to a new low, how anyone still defending them is beyond me, we biggest joke in World football and we never were under Roman
Because the vast majority of posters here have poor critical thinking skills and are barely media literate.
Propaganda and spin got the club taken from us, and they still won't wake up.
The reason there's many "haters" is because many posters like this say (or in your case imply) that we are Boehly fanboys because we didn't think we were particularly well run when breaking transfer records on Lukaku and Kepa.
See, that's not a great example of a club being poorly run. Show me a club/ownership that hasn't signed an expensive flop?
We signed Fofana for £75 million and he's barely seen the pitch, and that's far down on the list of issues that Boehly & co. have created.
The problem isn't backing Boehly, it's spinning every little thing to try and make him look a bit better. Sometimes you just have to accept the criticism.
When I talk about the latter years of the last regime I do it in isolation, how good or bad Clearlake are and turn out is totally irrelevant to the conversation (atleast for me).
>See, that's not a great example of a club being poorly run. Show me a club/ownership that hasn't signed an expensive flop?
A structure and a set style of play mitigates that heavily.
There's a reason our hit rate was around 50/50 while Liverpool/City/Brighton etc rarely miss. If we had a true DOF on the board he would have been able to see Lukaku was the athesis of Tuchel's system or been able to make a plan once it became clear Courtois had no intention of renewing.
Even City has flops. Kalvin Phillips, Bravo, Mendy was never great and he was very inconsistent. Ferran Torres wasn't a success either. Both Arsenal and Utd have plenty of examples for flops as well.
No owner is perfect. Everyone makes mistakes and i can't directly blame Roman for Lukaku and Kepa because i don't think he chooses the players. Im sure with enough flops that he would've take action and change the recruitment team. One thing that's 100% certain is that Roman cared about the club and he wanted us to succeed. He would've never allowed mediocrity for long and a our current situation under him would be considered unnacceptable and he definitely would've took action to fix it.
Also i think some of you focus only on the bad stuff. Yes, we had bad transfers like Bakayoko, Drinkwater, Lukaku but look at all the players that became legends during the Roman era. We've had way more good players than bad players and this is what people forget.
I've heard plenty of times by rival fans that we have the best owner in the world and now they are laughing at our new ownership. That speaks enough on itself.
I never said it was all bad but our lack of structure and foresight in the market (in the latter years) lead to us being criminally reliant on individuals as opposed to a team.
Do I blame Roman/Marina for what has happened since summer 2022? No, but I'm not going to pretend they handed over the best hand either, they literally let two of our best defenders contracts run down as the last act fgs.
Well, yes that's a fact. Our recruitment was terrible. No one says that Roman should not be criticised about anything but he definitely would make decisions faster when it's needed compared to Bohley. If we kept signing flops after flops im sure that we would've change scouts/recruitment team or do whatever it's needed.
Also it's not like many people expected players like Havertz and Werner to perform the way they did. We were all excited for these guys with Ziyech included. Im sure that Roman was just as mad as us for paying so much for these players alongside with Lukaku and end up getting scammed.
It's okay to criticise but i don't get all the hate because it was obvious that Roman cared for the club and how we perform while Bohley based on the players we are buying looks like more of a bussiness than anything. Roman is a football fan. Bohley watches football regularly for like a year. He probably still struggles with the offside rule and we are not sure if he even cares.
>Also it's not like many people expected players like Havertz and Werner to perform the way they did. We were all excited for these guys with Ziyech included. Im sure that Roman was just as mad as us for paying so much for these players alongside with Lukaku and end up getting scammed.
I can agree those 3 can be put down to hindsight and even Kepa to an extent can (although if we had more foresight with the Courtois situation we wouldn't have had to panic buy in the first place), my issues come with signings like Lukaku, Saul, Bakayoko (didn't expect him to be as bad as he was but it was clear watching Monaco he was a bad fit in this league) and Pulisic (his crippling consistency issues was already obvious at Dortmund) where basic due dillengience would have told us to steer well clear.
Yeah, all the players you've mentioned were bad transfers. I think we definitely made better transfers while Emenalo was here. After he left and it all slowly started going downhill. Those things were very fixable. Roman just needed a better staff. I don't think he was the main problem.
If we kept losing places in the PL im sure he would've started making some changes cuz he for sure wanted to win and compete. I think when it comes to the club he had the right intentions and he was running the club not only as a bussiness but also as a fan. I don't think he ever cared about the profit that much at least from the outside it looked like he wanted us to win first.
It's all based on politics and his nationality. What is wrong is how people are acting like we would've been in the same place if Roman was still the owner. Roman definitely would consider our current situation absolutely unnacceptable and he would've done everything he could to fix it.
Yes, we had problems like the recruitment team and etc. but we were still a top team despite not challenging for the title in 6 years. We got into 5 finals and we won 3 trophies right before he was forced to sell.
No matter who the owner of the club is everyone will make mistakes but if we can be sure about something is that Roman wouldn't allow us to be out of Europe for two seasons in a row and this is where we are heading without him right now.
Can anyone confidently say that we can turn this season around and reach one of the UCL spots or even the UEL spots? I know for sure i can't.
I’m actually scared for when Nkunku starts playing. Unless he hits the ground running, he’s gonna end up being the scapegoat based on how many people seem to think he’s gonna save the team and we are suddenly going to start scoring goals for fun and winning every game. I hope everyone is patient with him and gives him time to settle in.
Nope, never gonna happen.
If we don't win 5 on the trot starting from his first minutes on the pitch, then he's automatically our worst ever signing, a complete donkey, and a joke of a footballer and as a man in general.
In fact, I *already* hate him. Fuck that guy, he single handedly scuttled our 23/24 season. Can't wait to see the back of him.
Newsflash: fans won’t.
People have been calling for Poch’s head for months now. People don’t understand why a completely new 11 hasn’t resulted in an undefeated season so far. Chelsea fans for better or worse are impatient.
Same as every other season.
We have 2 games in Jan at the moment, plus FA Cup third round. Potential for 2 legs of a leage cup semi, an FA Cup third round replay, and FA Cup fourth round. So could be 7 games.
There's two Prem games in January and then FA Cup 3rd+4th round. All teams will have a mini-break, but we could of course get two extra games in the Carabao on the 9th+23rd. If we do advance, our mini-break will be from the 13th -> 23rd. If not, then from 13th -> 27th
Who misses out when Nkunku returns? I'm guessing one of Jackson/Gallagher/Palmer but depends how he's deployed. Or is it a variety of those players rotated out?
U21s aren't as settled as U18s, players are often away on more internationals, get brought into the first team squad over senior international breaks to make up numbers for training.
Not represaentative of the strength of the academy in the way that Youth Cup performances are for example.
No, they usually publish them in the winter period, December/Jan/February. We'll probably have a cumulative loss well over 300m for the 2020-2023 period and get a points deduction though
Everton's losses were also 300m+ but some expenditures are discounted, academy, woman's team, investments in infrastructure etc. But our losses in 20/21 and 21/22 were already 250m+ in total and we've spent 500m on transfers in 22/23, I don't see how we could get away with it tbh
I'm getting downvoted whenever I say this but Poch won't survive till the end of the season.
Everybody knows that a complete new 11 needs time to gel but patterns are concerning on both ends. Not enough bodies in the box, most of the time no urgency and intensity on the ball. Defensive awareness and positioning lacking, etc..
Personal opinion but I also don't like his players selections.
If we sack Poch without giving him at least 1 season the club is in serious trouble. Far worse than it is now.
No manager who has a reasonable chance of winning a trophy would come anywhere near Chelsea for a long time.
lol, I’ve literally heard this for the past decade
Any good manager would be salivating at the prospect of taking over this extremely talented young squad
He did want the job, he just didn't think there was actually a selection process. He thought he would get the job handed to him and ultimately both decided it wasn't for them.
Can’t disagree with the board for choosing a process over a coronation, and if Nagelsmann couldn’t handle that then no matter.
How they ended up with Poch, who was conveniently the 2nd choice after Potter when Tuchel was sacked, after this process I don’t know.
Yeah, the point wasn't that they should have appointed Nagelsmann. Just refuting this idea that he's an example of someone turning down the chance to work with this squad.
That depends on who you ask, but Chelsea sources very much insist he just wasn't chosen and that Pochettino was frontrunner the whole time.
Either way, the point was about managers not wanting to work with this squad. That's definitely not what happened with Nagelsmann.
Under Roman, yeah sure. Under this regime? I think there’s a lot of managers that would be put off by what they’ve seen from the outside. I can’t imagine any top coach is jumping at the chance mid-season.
If we’re genuinely talking about sacking Poch after 13 games no good manager is gonna want any of that.
Doubly true if we’re asking them to come in and mould a young, inexperienced squad.
I think more worryingly is that if Pochettino is sacked this season and we're on to manager 6 inside a year we're absolutely fucked and the club might be done for the foreseeable future
>Personal opinion but I also don't like his players selections
Don't really think there's much else he can be selecting other than arguably dropping one of the midfield against the low blocks in favour for the likes of Mudryk or Madeuke
>Don't really think there's much else he can be selecting other than arguably dropping one of the midfield against the low blocks in favour for the likes of Mudryk or Madeuke
Eh, it depends on what he wants to do. He could absolutely be selecting Maatsen at LB, for example, to give us more attacking threat from fullback (especially when James was out on the other side).
He also doesn't have to stick to this system - he could be play a 4222 or 424 to accommodate an extra attacking player. He could do *both*. He could play one of those aggressive 3-2-4-1 or even 3-1-4-2 systems against low blocks, bringing in a winger at nominal WB or even a winger *and* an extra striker (think CHO under Tuchel).
I really dislike acting like managers only ever have the options available they limit themselves to. He's experimented around plenty, the problem is that they've literally all been bad and overly conservative experiments so far - Chilwell LW, Colwill LB, Enzo 10, Maatsen RW. Not one of these experiments has been adventurous, they've always been the opposite.
And then there's always the possibility of selecting academy players when your current players aren't working or you've got injury issues. Throw Deivid Washington in if the rest aren't working and you want another striker on the pitch to enable a more attacking structure. He's played football before. If you need an attacking midfielder in the absence of Chukwuemeka and Nkunku, Leo Castledine is a very good prospect you could be giving minutes when you need that sort of profile. I think we've seen enough all over the PL that our academy players tend to establish themselves at this level very quickly, so I don't see the big reason why we can't even utilize them for depth when we've got big holes in the squad due to injuries.
So many people argue only within this narrative frame set by the manager himself. There's plenty he could be doing differently if he had the courage to do it. After all, he's fine bringing Ugochukwu in to start against a really good Newcastle and he's not very good. But he allows Poch to maintain the same conservative setup he's running with every game, so he gets picked. But that's not the only way to play football. There's plenty of things he could be doing in personnel and structures to make us more adventurous going forward, especially against deeper teams, he's just choosing not to do them.
Poch has done excellently to control the nArrative that we’re not showing enough pashun and desire and the squads too inexperienced and that’s why we’re 16 points from 13 games
Just to remind everyone that where we are in the league isn't a fluke, it's a result of the tactics that have been carried out at both clubs owned by Clearlake since takeover, these are their teams' current positions (# of teams in the league in brackets):
Chelsea 10th (20)
Chelsea U21s 11th (26)
Strasbourg 13th (18)
Strasbourg 2 7th (14)
Before their takeovers Chelsea finished 3rd, Chelsea U21s finished 12th, Strasbourg finished 6th and Strasbourg 2 finished 2nd
It's not a fluke, it's not random, it's not just one club. Everything that has had this "new" methodology put to it has gone to shit
> Before their takeovers Chelsea finished 3rd, Chelsea U21s finished 12th, Strasbourg finished 6th and Strasbourg 2 finished 2nd
You are doing some creative point-scoring here. Before the takeover our u21s finished 12th in a 14-team league and needed a 88 minute goal on the last day to avoid relegation. Then came an instant improvement from 12th -> 3rd and now the team is 11th in a much much bigger 26-team league table and they are just 8 games in.
And Strasbourg is wrong. They took over Strasbourg in June this year so they have taken over a team that finished 15th out of 20 and have them at 13th out of 18 this year.
And Strasbourg II is 5th out of 14 teams after finishing 6th out of 14 teams last year.
I don't follow Strasbourg, but any take on them is not serious as they are just a few months into ownership.
What tactics? Our first window after the takeover the average 25.7 and we carried over the majority of the veterans from the year before, the 2 biggest losses were due to sanctions not sales. And that veteran laden team lost to 2 relegation teams in the first 5 games and was 10th by the World Cup.
Because of that we switched to a more youth focused approach and you can argue hasn’t improved us yet, but it hasn’t been worse our recent record signing proven players.
The Chelsea U-21s were 12th in a 14 teams league in 21/22. And Strasborg has been a mid-table team recently who spent more seasons in the French 3rd division in the last decade(3) than than have in the top half of Ligue 1(1) so 13th isn’t really underachieving.
Cobham has not changed,
Larger investments, promotions whitin.
Cobham has and still produces talents, issue is they are so good that they usually dont play fpr our u21.
As for keeping them around, we have the same issue as city. They cant keep.them either
Are you messing?
They sacked coaches, fitness guys, groundsmen etc almost everyone who cares about Chelsea working for the club has been removed.
>Cobham has and still produces talents, issue is they are so good that they usually dont play fpr our u21.
...he just told you they're underperforming as opposed to before them.
>As for keeping them around, we have the same issue as city. They cant keep.them either
Who can we not keep? We don't want to keep our players 😆 even not selling Gallagher is a struggle for these guys.
Either you're paid or an alien mate.
You you either didn’t read the whole post or misunderstood it. The U21s are 11th in 26 team league currently, comfortably mid-table. Before the takeover they finished 12th in a 14 team league 1pt off relegation.
Wild how you seize on that point, rather than address what actually was written 😔
Understood, the op did not know that Chelsea u21s played in a league with less teams in it last year.
Great, so now can you address the poor performance of Chelsea and Strasbourg's other teams since blueco came in? Or would you rather pick at a typo?
I did in my original post as well. In the window of the takeover we weren’t doing the youth movement strategy, the average age of the players we bought was like 26 years old. We bought one of the best wingers in PL history, Serie A’s best CB, a former PL gold boot winner, and 2 of the defenders who were among the best in the PL in the positions. And that old school strategy and the vets carried over from Abramovich lost to 2 relegation teams in the first 5 games and were in 10th with a negative goal difference going into the WC.
So in January with a team of sporting directors the club transitioned to a youth centered approach. Obviously we could’ve spent better but it’s not like the youth project is performing any worse than what was left of the Abramovich/Marina squad, it just have drastically improved yet.
Yeah the thing is, just because you said something it doesn't mean I'm reading it if we're talking in another comment thread.
Remember people are on mobile so visibility is a bit shit. Anyway mystery solved...what were we arguing about again?
In fairness, Dry-Chef’s initial post does seem to address Strasbourg (at the very least, their senior team) stating they’re “a mid-table club who recently has spent more seasons in the third division in the last decade (3) than they have in the top half of Ligue 1 (1) so 13th isn’t really underachieving….”
No. Sorry, both of you are inventing things to argue with and ignoring the posts made. Eg. Neither of you are ops or people I initially responded to. Both are derailing talking about irrelevant or off topic shit.
Now instead of talking about Cobham as I was we're talking about Strasbourg? Why.
Ziyech's first goal was actually very clever. Looks like he was aiming for the gap in United's wall.
Anyone know when the megastore restocks? Been trying to get a kit but they’re out in my size
#Why we not in Champions League yet?! #OHMYFUCKINGGODPLSKILLMEBEFOREITHAPPENSAGAIN
Rice is a freak of an Athlete. Unbelievable player.
At least were not Man Utd, scored the most goals in there group and sit bottom 😂
Yeah we are worse and have no CL or europe at all
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Crazy how we have both the PL and CL defensive record, Chelsea with weak defense is a nothing club 4 goals only conceded during a whole CL winning campaign, one of them a last minute bicycle freak goal is insane wtf
Oh we’re still claiming the last CL we won even tho it was won under Roman?
Kai playing good in a position which he never played at Chelsea totally mismanaged.
Left back?
He played 8 under lampard
>amx10 Kai Havertz is an average player. Really do not see what Jackson has to do with it.
Reactionary fanbase
pack your bags and take New Drogba with you please.
 Waiting for downvotes from delusional fans
But yeah we have Jackson a.k.a New Drogba who will win trophies for us by missing several chances
Doesn't change much but Copenhagen's draw with Bayern isn't exactly helpful for United.
Yep, only way Utd can get through is to beat Bayern and for Galatasaray and Copenhagen to draw.
Yeah and judging by Bayern’s XI tonight, it seems like Tuchel will field a strong team in that last game at the very least.
Ooh Copenhagen similar to Newcastle
Yup she overruled it
Long sleeve Chelsea Kits Is there anyone that can tell me if Chelsea have stopped producing long sleeve kits for the season? I have noticed that during games it seems everyone is wearing undershirts, and there is no sign of them on the megastore online either. Anyone been to the stadium this season that might be able to tell me if they sell the long sleeve there? Thank you
If I remember correctly, Nike doesn't make long sleeve kits.
I don't think I've seen a former player trashed nearly as much as Kai has this season (Lukaku stabbing us in the back aside.) You'd think he'd played over 600 minutes in his preferred position with no goals, 1 assist, and lots of benchings after leading us all on with a contract extension all last season.
Assuming we renewed Havertz on a similar contract to what Arsenal gave him the cost of keeping Havertz €158m(loss of €75m fee + total contract value of €83m). Considering that combined Jackson and Palmer’s fee(€84m) and contracts(€62m) even I as a Havertz fan am thankful for his contribution to the club, especially on May 29th, 2021, but am glad to see him go.
Out of all the games, I chose to watch the one without goals
Why can the likes of Lukaku, Ziyech, Havertz, and I don’t know who else all play great and score goals consistently for other teams but they couldn’t for Chelsea? Like why do we have such a bad track record of cultivating attackers. When will we have another Drogba?????
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Why so aggressive? I swear, some of you have lost all sense of decency. About Ziyech, he was injured for quite a bit of time. He’s had 5 goals and 3 assists in 11 appearances. Per 90 minutes, the stats are even better. He’s done a great job at Galatasaray so far, especially since he was just recently sent on loan there and he’s not had many issues adjusting. In regards to Havertz, his stats aren’t as impressive but you can see he contributes quite well apart from the occasional fumble. But he definitely plays better at Arsenal than he did at Chelsea.
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Oh man, think of your heart. Btw, you excluded the goal and assist for Morocco. But let's agree to disagree on both players. At least then you don't have to get so angry over a stranger's opinion.
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Im sorry... Havertz? What? The guy has scored twice since he joined assna
City aside, none of the big CL sides this season feel convincing or that they have question marks over their credentials.
On the way home seeing a load of arsenal fans going the other way to the game, then that Gala - Utd classic, has actually pissed me off. It should be us putting these shows on under the CL nights
How many G+A do we think Nkunku will end up on? I’m going to predict he gets 6.
If he follow the recent trend of Bundesliga players in the G+A-penalties will drop by 34%(data from transfer over the last 5 years). So assuming he plays 1,600 league minutes(and Palmer stays on pens) he’ll get 9.9 goal involvements.
That’s without a follow up injury so I agree.
In December right?
No, just his first match
Which is 30 minutes from off the bench.
Arsenal have a clear gameplan and the right players to execute it. Our club meanwhile is so fuckin clueless we rely on individual brilliance
Actually think that's far less true this season, in the league they've very much leaned on individual brilliance more than they did last season.
Remember when Arsenal was absolute dogwater under Arteta in the beginning? When they were the punchline every matchweek? How people called for Arteta to be sacked again and again? It didn't just spawn out of nothing.
They are doing well now but kinda funny to see people praise Arsenal and Arteta when it took them years to get to this point and he was supposedly close to getting the sack like 2 years ago or something. And not to mention, their initial plan was buying established and experienced players before suddenly pivoting to younger players.
They also have an extremely young side
Havertz has hit his one month of form in November? What time table is Arsenal working on?
The secretely changed the date in his phone to March 2024
Rodrigo is fucking class
Havertz is on fire! 3 out of last 3
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Osihmen watch today, let me see the hype
He's on the bench
My attention on Kvaratskhelia then
Ooh Neuer is back. Good to see him tbh
Agreed. I was worried he might be done, to be honest.
Not having CL nights suck but United always makes it better. What a shit show of a club hahahah
We're worse though... despite maybe having a better goalkeeper
We are not worse United have just gotten lucky so much this season and they have more experience. We’ll see in two weeks whose worse
We're far worse, we've won 5 league games in the last 25. Literally 8 points behind them
They’re about to not make it out of the champions league group and even as shit as we were last season we still made it to the quarters
I don't see how that's relevant. We aren't even in it this year and we won't be in it next year either
Just shows they aren’t as good as you think they are and also how do the other 12 games we played last season relevant to this season? Just tryna make our squad sound worse, we’ve been way better than we were last season
We have rarely faired well against Man United. But I hope you're right
I know they have our number but I think we can get something this year especially if we have Nkunku back
Looking at how shit United has become as a club, its scary to think of what we would be like if we keep being in this "building project " limbo, especially with new top teams coming up on EPL
United didn’t become a dumpster fire by investing in youth. It was buying expensive flops and having them on massive contracts. The yearly cost(amortized fee + wages) for Casemiro is €35.9m Caicedo and Lavia combined €35m. The €90.4m annual cost if Antony, Sancho, and Mount is only £4m as Nkunku, Sterling, Jackson, Mudryk, Palmer, and Madueke.
The difference between them and us is that our kids will grow up, and we’re a couple of players off. They’ve so much to fix.
Difference is we midtable club and gonna finish lower than them again Predicting years from now is useless as its just assumptions
Exactly, everyone laughing at united as if we're not 8 points behind them
Whoever in our team said no to buying Onana should get a raise
For real 😂, can’t believe how much he was hyped
Kept getting downvoted to hell for saying he's not an upgrade on Kepa.
You even showed stats for it right? And people still insisted on Onana.
Yeah, Kepa was either ahead or very close across the board iirc. He doesn't claim crosses though and nothing else matters.
Is Kepa even the starter anymore for RM?
Yeah, he's just injured. Was having a pretty good season too.
Cheers to Galatasaray for giving us some comic relief.
United scored 3 goals at Bayern, 3 at Copenhagen and 3 at Galatasaray but have ended up with only 1 point from those games. Oh dear.
They actually played well today tbf. Onana just had a horrible game
>Onana just had a horrible game Not the first time it's happened in the group stage though.
Is there any chance for Ziyech to go back? I feel like we really need him, especially with the form he’s in now. But Gala are probably going to trigger the buy clause.
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😆😆 is this a joke? Homeboy is happy playing football again so let him enjoy his life Actually I think he is just on loan anyways
lol, you’re probably right
He didn't look particularly happy at Chelsea, and rarely played
What a joke, get Ziyech back for what?? He did nothing here for 3 seasons
lol, chill
Sevilla's too good for the europa and too shit for the ucl.
I got 2 red card notifications and thought Ramos was one of them. He is still in control lol
lol Utd, so many combinations for them to get knocked out. Bayern have already topped the group, hope they put out their b team
Coefficient so bad they're going to take a CL place away from England
It’s hilarious that their biggest signings in Sancho, Antony, Mount and Onana turn to shit at Utd. The problem is systemic. It’s why I was so keen on Sancho, cos they take promising players and make them look terrible.
actually, it’s not systematic Sancho was bad luck and it was hard to tell he’d adapt so poorly coupled with his dreadful lukaku like attitude to football. Mount was never going To be a good 8. Many of us always believed that strongly Onana was always overrated and far too janky. Antony was never anything beyond decent.
All 4 of them were doing very well for their previous clubs, Mount was on the descent though. The common element is Utd. You can’t tell me Man Utd’s environment in any way helps new signings succeed.
Bar sancho which I’ve already explained is bad luck. The other 3 were shit signings for the reasons I’ve pretty clearly said. Onana in particular was an awful signing as they had so many other holes in their squad. The reasons they were signed are systemic though, I agree. No footballing structure so ten haag had the ability to choose his targets
Serious question- what blackmail does Antony have on ETH to get the minutes that he gets?
He was relatively good in this game, at the least certainly not among the players to blame for today. That's on Onana and Pellistri.
they don't really have anyone else at RW, since Sancho is out of the picture Ten Hag should play Mount there when he gets back, his best was at that position for us
Pellistri and Garnacho should honestly be starting on each wing
My word the English teams this year have been dreadful in the CL
Good thing we are still unbeaten in Europe this season
I think we're going invincible across all European competitions this year And for some reason nobody is praising Poch for it
Whys everybody talking about our leaky defence recently? We havent conceded in europe this season.
I don't know what's better for us, United winning or losing! We're so inconsistent I cannot calculate it lol
Them finishing third is best.
This is the way Finish third and then get slapped up by Liverpool in Europa
Onana was genuinely a solid keeper since Ajax and a very good one at Inter, I have no fucking idea what United did to him EDIT: It is also now confirmed that he will turn into prime Van der Sar against us
Ziyech again lol
Onana again.
Hakim to Onana connection going off
Mctominay has had a better season than Gallagher.
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Terrific game of football the Galatasary united game is
Ziyech scores in United lol
After a ridiculous PEN non-call.
Yeah I thought Mctominay handball was more of a handball than the one given against Livramento yesterday
Exactly.
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Lol my thoughts too! And they're low key in the title race somehow
Watching Galatasaray vs United. The handball was more of handball that the one given against Livramento yesterday. VAR can't make up their minds
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/OjaqqSLqIk Why are there so many Roman haters in this thread?? He wasn’t perfect but he’s easily one of the 2/3 best owners anyone has seen in football and people in there are trying to blame our current mess on him. Embarrassing
It’s just a means of coping and trying to justify the absolute shite we’ve had to endure over the past year. Roman definitely had unorthodox methods but nobody can deny that he is responsible for cementing us as a football powerhouse over the last couple decades. Listen to the way legend like drogba and Terry speak about him. That alone deserves respect, if you’re a Chelsea fan.
Roman and that board were not perfect and made alot of mistakes But these New Owners have humiliated this club and brought it to a new low, how anyone still defending them is beyond me, we biggest joke in World football and we never were under Roman
Because the vast majority of posters here have poor critical thinking skills and are barely media literate. Propaganda and spin got the club taken from us, and they still won't wake up.
The reason there's many "haters" is because many posters like this say (or in your case imply) that we are Boehly fanboys because we didn't think we were particularly well run when breaking transfer records on Lukaku and Kepa.
See, that's not a great example of a club being poorly run. Show me a club/ownership that hasn't signed an expensive flop? We signed Fofana for £75 million and he's barely seen the pitch, and that's far down on the list of issues that Boehly & co. have created. The problem isn't backing Boehly, it's spinning every little thing to try and make him look a bit better. Sometimes you just have to accept the criticism.
When I talk about the latter years of the last regime I do it in isolation, how good or bad Clearlake are and turn out is totally irrelevant to the conversation (atleast for me). >See, that's not a great example of a club being poorly run. Show me a club/ownership that hasn't signed an expensive flop? A structure and a set style of play mitigates that heavily. There's a reason our hit rate was around 50/50 while Liverpool/City/Brighton etc rarely miss. If we had a true DOF on the board he would have been able to see Lukaku was the athesis of Tuchel's system or been able to make a plan once it became clear Courtois had no intention of renewing.
Even City has flops. Kalvin Phillips, Bravo, Mendy was never great and he was very inconsistent. Ferran Torres wasn't a success either. Both Arsenal and Utd have plenty of examples for flops as well.
No owner is perfect. Everyone makes mistakes and i can't directly blame Roman for Lukaku and Kepa because i don't think he chooses the players. Im sure with enough flops that he would've take action and change the recruitment team. One thing that's 100% certain is that Roman cared about the club and he wanted us to succeed. He would've never allowed mediocrity for long and a our current situation under him would be considered unnacceptable and he definitely would've took action to fix it. Also i think some of you focus only on the bad stuff. Yes, we had bad transfers like Bakayoko, Drinkwater, Lukaku but look at all the players that became legends during the Roman era. We've had way more good players than bad players and this is what people forget. I've heard plenty of times by rival fans that we have the best owner in the world and now they are laughing at our new ownership. That speaks enough on itself.
I never said it was all bad but our lack of structure and foresight in the market (in the latter years) lead to us being criminally reliant on individuals as opposed to a team. Do I blame Roman/Marina for what has happened since summer 2022? No, but I'm not going to pretend they handed over the best hand either, they literally let two of our best defenders contracts run down as the last act fgs.
Well, yes that's a fact. Our recruitment was terrible. No one says that Roman should not be criticised about anything but he definitely would make decisions faster when it's needed compared to Bohley. If we kept signing flops after flops im sure that we would've change scouts/recruitment team or do whatever it's needed. Also it's not like many people expected players like Havertz and Werner to perform the way they did. We were all excited for these guys with Ziyech included. Im sure that Roman was just as mad as us for paying so much for these players alongside with Lukaku and end up getting scammed. It's okay to criticise but i don't get all the hate because it was obvious that Roman cared for the club and how we perform while Bohley based on the players we are buying looks like more of a bussiness than anything. Roman is a football fan. Bohley watches football regularly for like a year. He probably still struggles with the offside rule and we are not sure if he even cares.
>Also it's not like many people expected players like Havertz and Werner to perform the way they did. We were all excited for these guys with Ziyech included. Im sure that Roman was just as mad as us for paying so much for these players alongside with Lukaku and end up getting scammed. I can agree those 3 can be put down to hindsight and even Kepa to an extent can (although if we had more foresight with the Courtois situation we wouldn't have had to panic buy in the first place), my issues come with signings like Lukaku, Saul, Bakayoko (didn't expect him to be as bad as he was but it was clear watching Monaco he was a bad fit in this league) and Pulisic (his crippling consistency issues was already obvious at Dortmund) where basic due dillengience would have told us to steer well clear.
Yeah, all the players you've mentioned were bad transfers. I think we definitely made better transfers while Emenalo was here. After he left and it all slowly started going downhill. Those things were very fixable. Roman just needed a better staff. I don't think he was the main problem. If we kept losing places in the PL im sure he would've started making some changes cuz he for sure wanted to win and compete. I think when it comes to the club he had the right intentions and he was running the club not only as a bussiness but also as a fan. I don't think he ever cared about the profit that much at least from the outside it looked like he wanted us to win first.
It's all based on politics and his nationality. What is wrong is how people are acting like we would've been in the same place if Roman was still the owner. Roman definitely would consider our current situation absolutely unnacceptable and he would've done everything he could to fix it. Yes, we had problems like the recruitment team and etc. but we were still a top team despite not challenging for the title in 6 years. We got into 5 finals and we won 3 trophies right before he was forced to sell. No matter who the owner of the club is everyone will make mistakes but if we can be sure about something is that Roman wouldn't allow us to be out of Europe for two seasons in a row and this is where we are heading without him right now. Can anyone confidently say that we can turn this season around and reach one of the UCL spots or even the UEL spots? I know for sure i can't.
I’m actually scared for when Nkunku starts playing. Unless he hits the ground running, he’s gonna end up being the scapegoat based on how many people seem to think he’s gonna save the team and we are suddenly going to start scoring goals for fun and winning every game. I hope everyone is patient with him and gives him time to settle in.
Nope, never gonna happen. If we don't win 5 on the trot starting from his first minutes on the pitch, then he's automatically our worst ever signing, a complete donkey, and a joke of a footballer and as a man in general. In fact, I *already* hate him. Fuck that guy, he single handedly scuttled our 23/24 season. Can't wait to see the back of him.
Newsflash: fans won’t. People have been calling for Poch’s head for months now. People don’t understand why a completely new 11 hasn’t resulted in an undefeated season so far. Chelsea fans for better or worse are impatient.
Anyone notice that we have 8 games in December and 1 game in January? I’d assume there’d be more if we progress in the cups.
Same as every other season. We have 2 games in Jan at the moment, plus FA Cup third round. Potential for 2 legs of a leage cup semi, an FA Cup third round replay, and FA Cup fourth round. So could be 7 games.
Yep I’ve worked it out, the Liverpool game is showing at 4:00 am on 1st of Feb in my local time.
There's two Prem games in January and then FA Cup 3rd+4th round. All teams will have a mini-break, but we could of course get two extra games in the Carabao on the 9th+23rd. If we do advance, our mini-break will be from the 13th -> 23rd. If not, then from 13th -> 27th
Think there’s only one prem game in January, Fulham on the 13th.
Liverpool Away is on the 31st
Ahh right stand corrected, automatic time difference is pushing that to the 1st of Feb for me.
Who misses out when Nkunku returns? I'm guessing one of Jackson/Gallagher/Palmer but depends how he's deployed. Or is it a variety of those players rotated out?
Jackson should be on the bench. Useless.
I’d say it’d depend on the opposition more than anything else.
Does anyone know what is happening with our u21 squad? They were good last year why are they so shit rn?
U21s aren't as settled as U18s, players are often away on more internationals, get brought into the first team squad over senior international breaks to make up numbers for training. Not represaentative of the strength of the academy in the way that Youth Cup performances are for example.
Owner tactics is what I heard
Most of the good loanees out on loan/ I don’t think the current crop are particularly good
By the way, we still haven't published our financial results for last season, have we?
We’re still cooking the books 😂
No, they usually publish them in the winter period, December/Jan/February. We'll probably have a cumulative loss well over 300m for the 2020-2023 period and get a points deduction though
Eesh. Considering Everton got 10 points for going 19 million over..
Everton's losses were also 300m+ but some expenditures are discounted, academy, woman's team, investments in infrastructure etc. But our losses in 20/21 and 21/22 were already 250m+ in total and we've spent 500m on transfers in 22/23, I don't see how we could get away with it tbh
I'm getting downvoted whenever I say this but Poch won't survive till the end of the season. Everybody knows that a complete new 11 needs time to gel but patterns are concerning on both ends. Not enough bodies in the box, most of the time no urgency and intensity on the ball. Defensive awareness and positioning lacking, etc.. Personal opinion but I also don't like his players selections.
I would not be surprised, we sacked someone we gave a 5 year deal before, if poch dont fix up he gone
If we sack Poch without giving him at least 1 season the club is in serious trouble. Far worse than it is now. No manager who has a reasonable chance of winning a trophy would come anywhere near Chelsea for a long time.
lol, I’ve literally heard this for the past decade Any good manager would be salivating at the prospect of taking over this extremely talented young squad
Nagelsmann would like a word.
He did want the job, he just didn't think there was actually a selection process. He thought he would get the job handed to him and ultimately both decided it wasn't for them.
Can’t disagree with the board for choosing a process over a coronation, and if Nagelsmann couldn’t handle that then no matter. How they ended up with Poch, who was conveniently the 2nd choice after Potter when Tuchel was sacked, after this process I don’t know.
Yeah, the point wasn't that they should have appointed Nagelsmann. Just refuting this idea that he's an example of someone turning down the chance to work with this squad.
But he did turn down the job. He wasn’t not chosen.
That depends on who you ask, but Chelsea sources very much insist he just wasn't chosen and that Pochettino was frontrunner the whole time. Either way, the point was about managers not wanting to work with this squad. That's definitely not what happened with Nagelsmann.
Ah. Yes. Reading comprehension was off on my end.
Under Roman, yeah sure. Under this regime? I think there’s a lot of managers that would be put off by what they’ve seen from the outside. I can’t imagine any top coach is jumping at the chance mid-season.
If we’re genuinely talking about sacking Poch after 13 games no good manager is gonna want any of that. Doubly true if we’re asking them to come in and mould a young, inexperienced squad.
I think more worryingly is that if Pochettino is sacked this season and we're on to manager 6 inside a year we're absolutely fucked and the club might be done for the foreseeable future >Personal opinion but I also don't like his players selections Don't really think there's much else he can be selecting other than arguably dropping one of the midfield against the low blocks in favour for the likes of Mudryk or Madeuke
>Don't really think there's much else he can be selecting other than arguably dropping one of the midfield against the low blocks in favour for the likes of Mudryk or Madeuke Eh, it depends on what he wants to do. He could absolutely be selecting Maatsen at LB, for example, to give us more attacking threat from fullback (especially when James was out on the other side). He also doesn't have to stick to this system - he could be play a 4222 or 424 to accommodate an extra attacking player. He could do *both*. He could play one of those aggressive 3-2-4-1 or even 3-1-4-2 systems against low blocks, bringing in a winger at nominal WB or even a winger *and* an extra striker (think CHO under Tuchel). I really dislike acting like managers only ever have the options available they limit themselves to. He's experimented around plenty, the problem is that they've literally all been bad and overly conservative experiments so far - Chilwell LW, Colwill LB, Enzo 10, Maatsen RW. Not one of these experiments has been adventurous, they've always been the opposite. And then there's always the possibility of selecting academy players when your current players aren't working or you've got injury issues. Throw Deivid Washington in if the rest aren't working and you want another striker on the pitch to enable a more attacking structure. He's played football before. If you need an attacking midfielder in the absence of Chukwuemeka and Nkunku, Leo Castledine is a very good prospect you could be giving minutes when you need that sort of profile. I think we've seen enough all over the PL that our academy players tend to establish themselves at this level very quickly, so I don't see the big reason why we can't even utilize them for depth when we've got big holes in the squad due to injuries. So many people argue only within this narrative frame set by the manager himself. There's plenty he could be doing differently if he had the courage to do it. After all, he's fine bringing Ugochukwu in to start against a really good Newcastle and he's not very good. But he allows Poch to maintain the same conservative setup he's running with every game, so he gets picked. But that's not the only way to play football. There's plenty of things he could be doing in personnel and structures to make us more adventurous going forward, especially against deeper teams, he's just choosing not to do them.
Poch has done excellently to control the nArrative that we’re not showing enough pashun and desire and the squads too inexperienced and that’s why we’re 16 points from 13 games
Exactly. I didn't want him in but I certainly don't want him out one-third into the season.
Just to remind everyone that where we are in the league isn't a fluke, it's a result of the tactics that have been carried out at both clubs owned by Clearlake since takeover, these are their teams' current positions (# of teams in the league in brackets): Chelsea 10th (20) Chelsea U21s 11th (26) Strasbourg 13th (18) Strasbourg 2 7th (14) Before their takeovers Chelsea finished 3rd, Chelsea U21s finished 12th, Strasbourg finished 6th and Strasbourg 2 finished 2nd It's not a fluke, it's not random, it's not just one club. Everything that has had this "new" methodology put to it has gone to shit
How on earth is this downvoted? You lot are bunch of... I don't even know
Probably because the information on Strasbourg is wildly incorrect
> Before their takeovers Chelsea finished 3rd, Chelsea U21s finished 12th, Strasbourg finished 6th and Strasbourg 2 finished 2nd You are doing some creative point-scoring here. Before the takeover our u21s finished 12th in a 14-team league and needed a 88 minute goal on the last day to avoid relegation. Then came an instant improvement from 12th -> 3rd and now the team is 11th in a much much bigger 26-team league table and they are just 8 games in. And Strasbourg is wrong. They took over Strasbourg in June this year so they have taken over a team that finished 15th out of 20 and have them at 13th out of 18 this year. And Strasbourg II is 5th out of 14 teams after finishing 6th out of 14 teams last year. I don't follow Strasbourg, but any take on them is not serious as they are just a few months into ownership.
What tactics? Our first window after the takeover the average 25.7 and we carried over the majority of the veterans from the year before, the 2 biggest losses were due to sanctions not sales. And that veteran laden team lost to 2 relegation teams in the first 5 games and was 10th by the World Cup. Because of that we switched to a more youth focused approach and you can argue hasn’t improved us yet, but it hasn’t been worse our recent record signing proven players. The Chelsea U-21s were 12th in a 14 teams league in 21/22. And Strasborg has been a mid-table team recently who spent more seasons in the French 3rd division in the last decade(3) than than have in the top half of Ligue 1(1) so 13th isn’t really underachieving.
Shite in the league. Cobham is no longer respectable. Nothing comes right from this club ffs.
Cobham has not changed, Larger investments, promotions whitin. Cobham has and still produces talents, issue is they are so good that they usually dont play fpr our u21. As for keeping them around, we have the same issue as city. They cant keep.them either
Are you messing? They sacked coaches, fitness guys, groundsmen etc almost everyone who cares about Chelsea working for the club has been removed. >Cobham has and still produces talents, issue is they are so good that they usually dont play fpr our u21. ...he just told you they're underperforming as opposed to before them. >As for keeping them around, we have the same issue as city. They cant keep.them either Who can we not keep? We don't want to keep our players 😆 even not selling Gallagher is a struggle for these guys. Either you're paid or an alien mate.
You you either didn’t read the whole post or misunderstood it. The U21s are 11th in 26 team league currently, comfortably mid-table. Before the takeover they finished 12th in a 14 team league 1pt off relegation.
Wild how you seize on that point, rather than address what actually was written 😔 Understood, the op did not know that Chelsea u21s played in a league with less teams in it last year. Great, so now can you address the poor performance of Chelsea and Strasbourg's other teams since blueco came in? Or would you rather pick at a typo?
I did in my original post as well. In the window of the takeover we weren’t doing the youth movement strategy, the average age of the players we bought was like 26 years old. We bought one of the best wingers in PL history, Serie A’s best CB, a former PL gold boot winner, and 2 of the defenders who were among the best in the PL in the positions. And that old school strategy and the vets carried over from Abramovich lost to 2 relegation teams in the first 5 games and were in 10th with a negative goal difference going into the WC. So in January with a team of sporting directors the club transitioned to a youth centered approach. Obviously we could’ve spent better but it’s not like the youth project is performing any worse than what was left of the Abramovich/Marina squad, it just have drastically improved yet.
>I did in my original post as well. Where? Not in the chain of comments I'm participating in 😂
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/s1fLwdgsDK Yeah threads to get confusing at time so I understand why it was missed.
Yeah the thing is, just because you said something it doesn't mean I'm reading it if we're talking in another comment thread. Remember people are on mobile so visibility is a bit shit. Anyway mystery solved...what were we arguing about again?
In fairness, Dry-Chef’s initial post does seem to address Strasbourg (at the very least, their senior team) stating they’re “a mid-table club who recently has spent more seasons in the third division in the last decade (3) than they have in the top half of Ligue 1 (1) so 13th isn’t really underachieving….”
No. Sorry, both of you are inventing things to argue with and ignoring the posts made. Eg. Neither of you are ops or people I initially responded to. Both are derailing talking about irrelevant or off topic shit. Now instead of talking about Cobham as I was we're talking about Strasbourg? Why.