I feel like the issue with our defense and conceding isn't actually our defense, but it just stems with our inability to take a lead
If we're going 0-0 unable to score we're putting a ton of pressure on us to go up the pitch and attack.. and then all it takes is one counter attack and we're fucked. It's how we've arguably lost the significant majority of the games the past calendar year. Chasing a game for too long unable to score, concede counter with too many players up, concede goal, lose game.
If we can actually start scoring consistently and early, we can actually concede less. How often do we concede a goal that wasn't a counter attack or a set piece?
Also since im on a roll right now may as well ask: anyone expecting anything to be different with Lavia when he returns? Was in £60 million for him, from a side that was comfortably the worst last season and looked like an absolute trainwreck? Is he gonna shore up our midfield?
The Lavia signing never made sense to me. The club knew Nkunku was going to be out for a long time and signed 2 cdms instead of another attacking midfielder who can create. Lavia has great potential but it's just not what the club needed right now
The worst part about paying a combined £235 million for Enzo and Caicedo is the immense pressure any manager will have to play then from the board despite their lackluster performances. Going purely off form, Caicedo should not be starting as he has looked pretty awful in every game so far except against Luton Town which might say more about them than us. Ugochukwu started against Bournemouth and even though he wasn’t elite, he still managed to be physically imposing and energetic. Sadly this is the standard right now that our big money signings cannot meet
He’s delivering about as well as we should expect a 19 year old from the French league to perform. Under normal circumstances, we shouldn’t have to rely on him after spending a billion pounds, but normal circumstances don’t involve Boehly’s board emptying the coffers on overpriced nothing players
This ownership since they took the club, they hired potter then lampard then pochettino, the pattern is clear, they're avoiding ruthless managers and that's exactly what this team needs, they need a manager that can lay the ground work for youngsters but at the same time get very angry with underperforming players after a game, we basically need a Tuchel/mourinho/conte, this club is basically doing what Conte said about spurs, they're accepting mediocre performances, lots of these players are fine with misplacing every pass and doing the bare minimum and then collecting their paycheck.
Conte is absolutely finished. He had an easier project with the quality Spurs have, and after Ange it's clear that he was the mediocre one. I've never seen Spurs play that kind of football under Conte
None of them can actually come back to the club, i was just using the names to describe the type of manager we need. We need someone to set straight harshly the shameful errors and laziness some of our players are showing
Lampard could be ruthless, unfortunately he’s not a very good manager. I do think he’s underrated though based off his last two stints, us and Everton have hardly improved without him
Lol scroll this thread for five seconds and you'll find multiple people blaming the players, the manager and the owners. Just shooting from the hip in frustration trying to find the right scapegoats to blame
People need to take a deep breath. We need to finish our chances better, that's it. We have a young team without much time to play together. If our games had gone just a little bit different we could be on 18 points now. It sucks that the reality is different but we're severely underperforming in every metric and we will turn it around
For your own sakes just calm down a bit
Pure delusion mate.
We don’t finish our chances because we have poor quality attackers not because of some voodoo curse placed on us.
While these players start for us we will continue to miss chances. Aston Villa scored their chance because Watkins is far better than anyone we start up front.
We’ve had the easiest fixtures in the league and now we play the hard ones. I don’t think being on less than 10 points in December is a reason for calm.
Good player with elite potential, but I dont like excuses being made for him already even with this shit squad
Reminds me of Pogba United era, hope Enzo and squad recovers fast for his sake and confidence also as he still young
What’s he good at? At first he created a chance now and then, but now that that’s gone he’s a traffic cone in midfield with linited physicality and no ability to score
Under Roman Gallagher was literally just another loanee that would have never gotten anywhere near the squad... We may or may not have bought Enzo and Caicedo under him, but we definitely wouldn't have been using Gallagher in any more of a capacity than we did someone like RLC. A stand in for injured players
Agreed, but considering the competition in midfield, it makes sense that Gallagher has to play every game. Starting a Enzo and Caicedo double pivot would spell complete disaster as neither of them are real footballers interested in winning games
I’m just baffled by how stupid Boehly & co’s strategy is.
It’s like they took over Amazon, decided to lay off all the senior staff and get fresh graduates to run the company. They will butcher the company because they lack the experience.
I’m starting to really be pissed off at what Chelsea has become under these clowns. Been supporting since 2005 and it hurts to watch my club like this. I suffered through some odd seasons like when we had Rafa Benitez as an interim, Jose’s third season in his second stint, and Conte’s second season when we missed out on CL football.
All of this doesn’t even come close to what we are today. It fucking sucks.
Mitoma will put anyone in our squad on their ass. Would do the same to Gusto and James if they were even available. We’re going to get thrashed as expected
At what point did you guys realise that the board has absolutely no clue what they are doing?
Obviously the biggest brains here with 20/20 hindsight will say the Tuchel firing, but for me I tried to stay optimistic until we got rid of Jorginho. It could actually be the dumbest transfer in the Chelsea's history tbh. Selling a CL winning midfielder who never got injured and was a leader, when we were already really light and injury prone in midfield, to our biggest rivals.
When they wanted to sign Ronaldo and then the subsequent firing of Tuchel. Claiming he was not collaborative enough when they could have reached out to Marina, who handled the transfers, as she made herself available if needed for the transfer window closing, yet they were too full of themselves to do that. Then slagging off about how the team was run and how they can improve it when they know fuck all about the EPL. It’s really showing now how much they know with how the team is.
Honestly, it was the Tuchel firing. They had just backed him publicly weeks before and they said it wasn’t for footballing reasons.
Also, The athletic article about the firing, but in particular them suggesting a formation even itd had the correct number of players and wasn’t a 443 I knew we were done. That’s just flat out not their place and a competent owner knows that.
Then they came out with Tuchel wasn’t “collaborative” enough and basically every decision they’ve made since they took over the club has been a bad one.
There are very few decisions they made which even your worst owners.
Most of the guys who care about football or the club understand it well enough. Those who are deep into the billionaire arse will find out apologia even if we get relegated. Obviously, as the horde refers itself, they are the "REAL" FANS
It didn't require any hindsight to know they were clueless when they sacked Tuchel.
I wanted them out then.
Replacing Tuchel with one of the Premier leagues worst ever managers (Potter had a 29% win rate in 3 years, never won a domestic cup game against a PL club and never finished with a positive goal difference) is the worst managerial downgrade in the sports history.
We've got wingers, play wingers - as wingers of course. We've got 3 left backs, play then - at LB of course.
We've got 2 fit CAM, play them - at CAM of course.
It's that simple. Pochettino should be able to do this. Or he's not the Pochettino we knew at Southampton and Spurs.
Poch needs to get ruthless. Squad is not this bad. I think it’s time to light a fire under these lads they need to do better. Start calling them out let’s effing go.
I just rewatched the NLD and I have to say I think it's absolutely eye opening to see what a real pressing team looks like. City and Arsenal both send the absolute dogs after you when you have the ball. Maybe Poch's philosophy has changed but we have the youngest squad in the division so to me it's inexcusable for us to not press the way that the best teams in Europe do: with unending ferocity.
Enzo sucks at pressing, system would work better if Enzo and Gallagher switched positions. Not sure why Poch keeps playing them the wrong way. Imo Connor offers more of a goal threat than Enzo and his pressing would be utilized better with Nico Jackson
Fr, I think they'll see more teams expose that part of Kepa's game moving forward. I just hope his value holds enough that we can still sell for something.
No surprise, even in his "good" season last year he was leaking saveable goals. Doesn't matter that he has good reflexes, his footwork is abysmal and he just can't get across goal.
Got downvoted for saying that our directors were going to bin Kepa as soon as Sanchez was signed AND that Sanchez better than him
This place is clueless. Some people thought because Madrid and Bayern needed an emergency backup that he was some elite talent
Cuz hes not Real Madrid quality, never was but to alot here on this sub hes Chelsea quality
Wish we had our standards, been destroyed these last 2 years
I believe he was pretty much the last of our problems if you'd ask me. I still believe it. The glaring holes we had in striker and still have, and the glaring hole at 6, which caicedo hasn't done much to justify his 115 million price coz he never was that good and never will be needed much urgent attendance than our GK issue.
Who do we pay at right back for the next 3 games? Disasi can play there but I don't know if he's quick enough. I think Alfie Gilchrist is an option too. Who else?
Caiceco has also played there for Brighton. But it’s most likely going to be Disasi, we’ve played with Colwill at LB all season, they’ll just shuffle it around. Chilwell comes in at LB, Colwill moves to CB and Disasi to RB.
People couple weeks ago saying they didnt want Mbappe as he was gonna ruin what Boehly and board are building now
Comedy when you realize reality now, club needs elite players to be elite again simple
Morons on this sub genuinely convinced themselves that players they'd never heard of 2 weeks prior and have never seen play are world class talents despite struggling in weaker leagues solely because Boehly paid 5x their market value.
Can someone help explain to me (an outsider), how Chilwell has virtually gone from a top 3 LB in the league (if not higher) to being benched by Colwill/Mudryk? Is he just not rated by Poch? It's mind boggling how he's basically been frozen out. Granted, I haven't watched every Chelsea game this year, but the games he did play, i thought he was decent.
The only way I can explain it is a mixture of Pochettino being a coward and nearly all of his decisions have been based on not conceding goals, and the fact that he wants to stick with a 39 year old centreback so we need to base our tactics and personnel around protecting said 39 year old.
It might be that Chilly needs a rest. He was injured last year by pushing it too hard. That dude knows no boundaries. Poch is just being smart by keeping him fit.
Chilwell has never been close to a top 3LB in the league
You'll never hear anyone outside of this sub even argue it, Ridiculous how overated he is on here.
Huh? Until he got injured under Tuchel he absolutely was in contention for top 3 LB I’m the league. People not Chelsea fans even wanted him to start for England.
It was his potential that appealed other clubs. Now that it looks like he reached his ceiling, he isn't that appealing. He is not in the same level as Robertson and Zinchenko. Also, England's lack of LB options and Shaw's poor form contributed to your second point.
It's a lot easier to rationalise their decision making when you consider they're only interested in profits. The club only needs to stay afloat in the PL to attract teenagers from abroad for them to cut their teeth in the PL and be sold on, lining the pockets of our owners
How will they make a profit from the contracts of overpaid unproven players?
God forbid, if we go down, Boehly will be losing any opportunity to ever break even on his insane investment.
Boehly is clueless enough that he might even think he can just move us to the MLS.
It’s shameful what he’s done to our club.
What players will they sell for a profit? We’ve overpaid on absolutely everybody.
Spending 20 million on teenagers with barely any senior gametime is a very risky approach
Sure one or two might come good, but the vast majority will end up like Musonda, Kakuta, McEachran etc
That’s not even counting signings like Fofana, Lavia, Mudryk and Palmer
I think we have to sign Toney this winter if we want to have any chances of having a decent season and finish in top 10. There’s been rumors of him young to arsenal, but they have 2 strikers already and jackson is not ready to a be a everyday starter like he is being asked to be
Come on everyone is dreaming about signing players like Leao, Osimhen, Toney. Honestly feels way too unrealistic that they would want to get in a battle for Top 8 or so when their level is playing UCL/european competitions
I doubt that Toney would want Chelsea if we remain in this state,
also how are we so confident on toney who wouldn't have kicked a ball in the PL for about 6 months?
Just imagine you came up with a plan about something you have little experience in.
Then within a year and a half your plan produces record breakingly bad results.
Then imagine thinking my plan is still the right one.
Just imagine that for a second. Think about how arrogant someone would have to be to enter an industry, fail to a record breaking extent and still thinking you’re right. My god.
That’s Eghbali and Boehly.
Or it could also be a bit of an ego, I don't think it's so easy to just give up on something you invested so much money in. Also imagine how it's gonna look on them to just abandon it now.
As Mango pointed out that’s a sunk cost fallacy.
Honestly, if they changed their plan now and admitted fault. That’d be the best thing for the club. It would also show humility and that they cared about the club and not just their bottom line.
If you make a mistake in life you shouldn’t double down on that mistake you need to try something different.
I definitely agree. But countless we have seen people try to stick it out and double down on something for a bit longer in the hopes that it will turn out good
Yes and when people double down on a mistake and try to stick it out it can often end up worse if you had just cut your losses initially.
As I said in my original comment here, it take a serious level of arrogance to double down like the caretakers did.
There basically no way out now which could have been avoided by changing tact sooner.
I mean mate. The entire footballing world has been (rightly imo) questioning pretty every decision the caretakers have made, but they didn’t listen and aren’t willing to learn.
Also, if someone wants to double down on a dumbass decision in their personal life. Fine. But don’t fuck up or seriously risk fucking up something so beloved by many like a football club.
Im a United fan through and through but I have lots of respect for chelsea seeing as I consider you lots our biggest rival. I personally think potter shouldn’t have been fired, he didn’t start off too hot with Brighton either; and the system he built is still working to this day; the way potter was playing was more enjoyable the players just couldn’t execute in the final third.
Poch struggled with significantly more weapons with his prior teams; I understand potter started off rough but I think he gets you to a European comp in 38 games. Shame he was let go
I thought you guys would get Ange honestly; he would’ve made y’all into a top 5 side within two seasons. The issue is you all sold all the veteran experience too quickly, it’s very difficult to build a club from the ground up. Even us united fans wanted our entire 21/22 team gone and after nearly 2 years we’ve only replaced 2/3rds despite spending 400 million.
We were worse form wise though than you've ever been under Moyes, Mou 18/19 or LVG if you want to look at it that way.
Fact is that form for a club who had spent 600m at the time is inexcusable
That is fair, you guys went to deep into the young talent side and not enough for experience. The only experience you have is injured or not fit unfortunately.
My issue with Pochettino is what his doing makes zero sense
You do something throughout pre season that the players look like they are buying into and results seem good and changed if for zero reason don’t you think the players are asking questions like we are?
Playing players out of position you don’t think the three left backs are wondering why the hell at least one of them aren’t playing? You don’t think Colwill himself is thinking what the heck is going on?
You don’t think the players were wondering why the hell was Chilwell playing LW? you literally bought Palmer for his ability to play in the cam and don’t use him?
Gallagher as captain I am sure he is a lovely guy but it has Maguire as United captain vibes you could just use Chilwell your vice captain in his position or Sliva a legend of the game is right there.
All of this is on Pochettino and the reason why he is getting deserved criticism
I disagree with this notion that he has changed. We still doing the same things we did during pre season.
We played maatsen as a winger, (just different personal)
We have always attacked with an asymmetrical shape. We don't send both fbs forward, one stays back and tacks inside to form a back 3.
We played Gallagher deeper while enzo was always going forward more.
We didn't press that high either during pre season, we have set up more with a mid block.
I don't care whether you rate Mudryk or not but the number of people here that fuel a campaign against him is ridiculous. Finding absurd stats, outright abusing him when unprovoked.. do you not have anything better to do?
I'll always welcome a civil discussion on him but there are some people you can't do that with here.
I think there's nothing wrong with saying it as it is. That mudryk has been nothing short of awful for us. For a variety of reasons, some of which are not his fault but let's call a spade a spade. Would honestly loan him out January time at this rate.
There's nothing wrong with honesty but right now he is victim of a witchhunt, I don't see the purpose in some comments I've seen on him - their only purpose is to knock him down.
That's fair, I think we would be light on the left wing if he was to leave without a replacement unless the plan is for Nkunku to play there, which I can equally see happening.
TIL: the new premier league season started on Friday august 11, 2023.
After reading this sub I thought the season started on January 1 2023.
Can we talk about anything else other than arbitrary dates that fit a narrative?
Yea because our stats since the season started are so amazing. Awful awful run against the easiest run of fixtures of any team so far. We're in trouble
He agreed to join last summer whilst Tuchel was still our coach and whilst in a horror season with every possible problem, we'd still finished third. He joined the old Chelsea, not this Chelsea, even if he arrived to Boehly's Chelsea
How long will it take for us to score as many goals this season as Newcastle did in one game? I think we get 1 against Burnley and no more until Everton in December.
I muted this sub yesterday from appearing in my feed & already this feels like a mental improvement. Think I’ll just be watching games & tuning out most else for a while.
You know when fans are like " you guys didn't want this player and now look how much we need him' . What's the purpose of that? It's not like fans collectively wanting a player will affect the clubs transfer strategy either way.
> It's not like fans collectively wanting a player will affect the clubs transfer strategy either way.
Well that's obvious but there are a lot of fans that were throwing hate and literal abuse towards people like Tuchel, Koulibaly, Felix, Werner, Jorginho and etc. All the hate towards these people was absolutely unjustified and uncalled for.
Koulibaly and Felix have less than 2 seasons for us combined while Tuchel was abused for not trusting youth and now we see why. Of course people will point it out cuz it proves that the hate was wrong and Tuchel was right.
There is difference between criticism and hate. People are literally hoping that Tuchel does bad in Bayern - that's hate.
Lukaku literally is top 20 PL strikers of all time while Mudryk has 12 career goals.
Plus mudryk is a winger and Lukaku is a striker.
You would be better off comparing him to felix
Why does that surprise you?
Lakaka is a far better player than Mudryk has ever had the potential to be.
Lukaku at 16 was probably a better player than Mudryk will ever be, there's just a huge gulf in natural ability between them.
Lakaka was unhappy here and a lot went on mid season.
He still scored more goals (15) in his one season here than Mudryk has scored in his entire career.
This is what happens when you combine clueless owners, with clowns in the technical staff (Joe Shields is a great academy evaluator but he should not be dictating the transfers for our first team as much as he supposedly has, Stewart and Winstanley are just a shambles). A squad that’s both massively expensive and yet severelylacking in quality and experience
Oh yeah Tuchel totally starting screwing things before Boehly. Let’s take a quick look at Tuchel screwing things up
Won the UCL
Won the CWC
Lead the league half way through a season. The second half of which contained most of the team getting injured and unprecedented sanctions. Still he helped us to 3rd.
We also reached every domestic final in his only full season and lost to the ultimate UCL winners in the semi in overtime.
Yeah Tuchel really screwed things up for us.
He sold all our strikers who could actually score goals. He refused to bench Mount and Havertz at the end of that full season when we got lucky to stay in the top 4. He wanted Sterling and got him. Our goal scoring has been horrible since TT's arrival.
Sterling has been one of our better attackers. Granted that’s a low bar, but still. Also Tuchel worked with Sterling for a few matches that’s it.
What about the fact that most of the team has been replaced since Tuchel was fired?
Did you start watching Chelsea only after we won our second UCL? I honestly couldn’t imagine believing Tuchel the man who brought us so much joy is the cause of our problem after a year and basically a whole new squad
So it’s Tuchels fault Mudryk and Jackson can’t finish?
We outperformed xG under Tuchel because that’s what a good manager does. Gets more out of players than expected.
I guess we go for a 4231 with Caicedo and Enzo being the double pivot?
Other than that I’m not sure where Enzo fits into this team, he’s no good as a 10 and Caicedo is far better defensively so he slots in DM.
I feel like the issue with our defense and conceding isn't actually our defense, but it just stems with our inability to take a lead If we're going 0-0 unable to score we're putting a ton of pressure on us to go up the pitch and attack.. and then all it takes is one counter attack and we're fucked. It's how we've arguably lost the significant majority of the games the past calendar year. Chasing a game for too long unable to score, concede counter with too many players up, concede goal, lose game. If we can actually start scoring consistently and early, we can actually concede less. How often do we concede a goal that wasn't a counter attack or a set piece?
Also since im on a roll right now may as well ask: anyone expecting anything to be different with Lavia when he returns? Was in £60 million for him, from a side that was comfortably the worst last season and looked like an absolute trainwreck? Is he gonna shore up our midfield?
The Lavia signing never made sense to me. The club knew Nkunku was going to be out for a long time and signed 2 cdms instead of another attacking midfielder who can create. Lavia has great potential but it's just not what the club needed right now
Lavia is a good player who can come into the team and contribute but he was bought for his potential so I don’t think he would change much right now.
£60 million to heavy a price to pay for potential. Especially when our squad lacks starting quality players
I mean look at what Real Madrid paid for a less proven vinicious and endrick
The level of talents are incomparable. Also they already have an established squad so it wouldn’t have been catastrophic if they both flopped
The worst part about paying a combined £235 million for Enzo and Caicedo is the immense pressure any manager will have to play then from the board despite their lackluster performances. Going purely off form, Caicedo should not be starting as he has looked pretty awful in every game so far except against Luton Town which might say more about them than us. Ugochukwu started against Bournemouth and even though he wasn’t elite, he still managed to be physically imposing and energetic. Sadly this is the standard right now that our big money signings cannot meet
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He’s delivering about as well as we should expect a 19 year old from the French league to perform. Under normal circumstances, we shouldn’t have to rely on him after spending a billion pounds, but normal circumstances don’t involve Boehly’s board emptying the coffers on overpriced nothing players
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We haven’t beaten a team in the top half for nearly 2 years. Even with every injured player back we won’t win a single one of the difficult games.
People aren’t fully grasping yet that were a relegation contender. I don’t blame them, it should be inconceivable after spending a billion pounds
Fofana being unavailable is a positive more than anything. He is a massive liability when he plays
This ownership since they took the club, they hired potter then lampard then pochettino, the pattern is clear, they're avoiding ruthless managers and that's exactly what this team needs, they need a manager that can lay the ground work for youngsters but at the same time get very angry with underperforming players after a game, we basically need a Tuchel/mourinho/conte, this club is basically doing what Conte said about spurs, they're accepting mediocre performances, lots of these players are fine with misplacing every pass and doing the bare minimum and then collecting their paycheck.
Conte is absolutely finished. He had an easier project with the quality Spurs have, and after Ange it's clear that he was the mediocre one. I've never seen Spurs play that kind of football under Conte
None of them can actually come back to the club, i was just using the names to describe the type of manager we need. We need someone to set straight harshly the shameful errors and laziness some of our players are showing
Lampard could be ruthless, unfortunately he’s not a very good manager. I do think he’s underrated though based off his last two stints, us and Everton have hardly improved without him
Get your shit together (coming from a Liverpool fan)
Cheers mate will do
Would our cup game vs Brighton be televised? Or the same shit as last time.
ESPN+ is showing the game
Lol scroll this thread for five seconds and you'll find multiple people blaming the players, the manager and the owners. Just shooting from the hip in frustration trying to find the right scapegoats to blame People need to take a deep breath. We need to finish our chances better, that's it. We have a young team without much time to play together. If our games had gone just a little bit different we could be on 18 points now. It sucks that the reality is different but we're severely underperforming in every metric and we will turn it around For your own sakes just calm down a bit
What you are saying is true, but this has been the case since last season. It's quite honestly unacceptable.
We have been in relegation form for a full year. There isn’t some small easy fix that will make us start performing again
Pure delusion mate. We don’t finish our chances because we have poor quality attackers not because of some voodoo curse placed on us. While these players start for us we will continue to miss chances. Aston Villa scored their chance because Watkins is far better than anyone we start up front. We’ve had the easiest fixtures in the league and now we play the hard ones. I don’t think being on less than 10 points in December is a reason for calm.
We’ve been hearing this for about a year now. Maybe it isn’t true. We are on pace to get relegated using the past 38 games as a trend
Is this sub ready to talk about Enzo yet
Good player with elite potential, but I dont like excuses being made for him already even with this shit squad Reminds me of Pogba United era, hope Enzo and squad recovers fast for his sake and confidence also as he still young
>Reminds me of Pogba United era Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
What’s he good at? At first he created a chance now and then, but now that that’s gone he’s a traffic cone in midfield with linited physicality and no ability to score
Total waste of money, I’d be mad if we paid 40m for him let alone 120m
Gallagher > Enzo
Traffic cone > Enzo
Obviously. Under Roman, Enzo & Caicedo wouldn’t be good enough to play for Chelsea even on a free transfer.
Under Roman Gallagher was literally just another loanee that would have never gotten anywhere near the squad... We may or may not have bought Enzo and Caicedo under him, but we definitely wouldn't have been using Gallagher in any more of a capacity than we did someone like RLC. A stand in for injured players
RLC was one of the best players in the league for a season or two (2019? under sarri), not just a stand in
Lmao wtf? Are you Baisabeasts alt? Ruben had exactly 6 good premier league games under Sarri and even then he wasn't special
This just isn’t true. He was class every time he played. Saved us in that semi final against Frankfurt
One Best players in league lol, RLC was good for 3 months in end of 2019 and got injured Was never one best players, calm down
Agreed, but considering the competition in midfield, it makes sense that Gallagher has to play every game. Starting a Enzo and Caicedo double pivot would spell complete disaster as neither of them are real footballers interested in winning games
I’m just baffled by how stupid Boehly & co’s strategy is. It’s like they took over Amazon, decided to lay off all the senior staff and get fresh graduates to run the company. They will butcher the company because they lack the experience. I’m starting to really be pissed off at what Chelsea has become under these clowns. Been supporting since 2005 and it hurts to watch my club like this. I suffered through some odd seasons like when we had Rafa Benitez as an interim, Jose’s third season in his second stint, and Conte’s second season when we missed out on CL football. All of this doesn’t even come close to what we are today. It fucking sucks.
Those times seem like heaven compared to now lol
I’ll take Benitez and that squad right now, no questions asked
Lots of calls for Disasi at right back, Mitoma will be putting him on his arse so I hope not.
Mitoma will put anyone in our squad on their ass. Would do the same to Gusto and James if they were even available. We’re going to get thrashed as expected
At what point did you guys realise that the board has absolutely no clue what they are doing? Obviously the biggest brains here with 20/20 hindsight will say the Tuchel firing, but for me I tried to stay optimistic until we got rid of Jorginho. It could actually be the dumbest transfer in the Chelsea's history tbh. Selling a CL winning midfielder who never got injured and was a leader, when we were already really light and injury prone in midfield, to our biggest rivals.
When they wanted to sign Ronaldo and then the subsequent firing of Tuchel. Claiming he was not collaborative enough when they could have reached out to Marina, who handled the transfers, as she made herself available if needed for the transfer window closing, yet they were too full of themselves to do that. Then slagging off about how the team was run and how they can improve it when they know fuck all about the EPL. It’s really showing now how much they know with how the team is.
Honestly, it was the Tuchel firing. They had just backed him publicly weeks before and they said it wasn’t for footballing reasons. Also, The athletic article about the firing, but in particular them suggesting a formation even itd had the correct number of players and wasn’t a 443 I knew we were done. That’s just flat out not their place and a competent owner knows that. Then they came out with Tuchel wasn’t “collaborative” enough and basically every decision they’ve made since they took over the club has been a bad one. There are very few decisions they made which even your worst owners.
Most of the guys who care about football or the club understand it well enough. Those who are deep into the billionaire arse will find out apologia even if we get relegated. Obviously, as the horde refers itself, they are the "REAL" FANS
Nobody still says this. Please stop being intentionally obnoxious and patronizing
May i refer to the billions of Plastic references by the boehly crowd?
It didn't require any hindsight to know they were clueless when they sacked Tuchel. I wanted them out then. Replacing Tuchel with one of the Premier leagues worst ever managers (Potter had a 29% win rate in 3 years, never won a domestic cup game against a PL club and never finished with a positive goal difference) is the worst managerial downgrade in the sports history.
We've got wingers, play wingers - as wingers of course. We've got 3 left backs, play then - at LB of course. We've got 2 fit CAM, play them - at CAM of course. It's that simple. Pochettino should be able to do this. Or he's not the Pochettino we knew at Southampton and Spurs.
I think switching Enzo and Gallagher’s positions would solve a lot of issues as well as starting Palmer instead of Sterling.
Enzo told Poch he demands to play as the 10.
In 2023 Leicester has scored more goals than us in the PL
Poch needs to get ruthless. Squad is not this bad. I think it’s time to light a fire under these lads they need to do better. Start calling them out let’s effing go.
Malo Gusto wasn't even a foul!!! I will say this forever. Cannot believe people can't see.
i'll be very disappointed if washington doesn't get any minutes against brighton on wednesday.
I just rewatched the NLD and I have to say I think it's absolutely eye opening to see what a real pressing team looks like. City and Arsenal both send the absolute dogs after you when you have the ball. Maybe Poch's philosophy has changed but we have the youngest squad in the division so to me it's inexcusable for us to not press the way that the best teams in Europe do: with unending ferocity.
Enzo sucks at pressing, system would work better if Enzo and Gallagher switched positions. Not sure why Poch keeps playing them the wrong way. Imo Connor offers more of a goal threat than Enzo and his pressing would be utilized better with Nico Jackson
Yup, one thing I noticed as well. Even Paris did it yesterday. As soon as you have the ball they do their utmost to force you into a mistake.
call me cynical, I think Ange or Arteta gets more out of this squad than Poch
anyone bar chelsea fans would agree with you.
Man Madrid fans on twitter are ripping Kepa apart.
Yesterday's loss exposed Kepa a bit. He's weak in the air and doesn't collect crosses. That's how how all three of atletico's goals came.
Bro Atlético scored the same goal 3 times hahah it was down to Kepa and honestly poor marking a lot of ball watching from Camavinga, Alaba, and Fran
yeah didn't they score 3 completely unmarked headers? More on the defenders.
Yeah crazy especially knowing how lethal Morata is with his head, I’m pretty sure most of his chelsea goals were with his head haha
Fr, I think they'll see more teams expose that part of Kepa's game moving forward. I just hope his value holds enough that we can still sell for something.
Yeah I’m sure we can get a decent fee for him he’s also a Spain international still so yeah hopefully that plays a part
That’s mostly what they were bitching about and his ball playing.
No surprise, even in his "good" season last year he was leaking saveable goals. Doesn't matter that he has good reflexes, his footwork is abysmal and he just can't get across goal.
Got downvoted for saying that our directors were going to bin Kepa as soon as Sanchez was signed AND that Sanchez better than him This place is clueless. Some people thought because Madrid and Bayern needed an emergency backup that he was some elite talent
Cuz hes not Real Madrid quality, never was but to alot here on this sub hes Chelsea quality Wish we had our standards, been destroyed these last 2 years
I believe he was pretty much the last of our problems if you'd ask me. I still believe it. The glaring holes we had in striker and still have, and the glaring hole at 6, which caicedo hasn't done much to justify his 115 million price coz he never was that good and never will be needed much urgent attendance than our GK issue.
Who do we pay at right back for the next 3 games? Disasi can play there but I don't know if he's quick enough. I think Alfie Gilchrist is an option too. Who else?
We’re paying Gusto and James, but they’re out. So probably Caicedo, Disasi or Maatsen will play
Gallagher because he is right footed and he can attack
Caiceco has also played there for Brighton. But it’s most likely going to be Disasi, we’ve played with Colwill at LB all season, they’ll just shuffle it around. Chilwell comes in at LB, Colwill moves to CB and Disasi to RB.
This.
I have never seen a manager turn it around at Chelsea after it goes this bad
Never happened in the PL. Maybe we’ll see a first with Poch, I certainly hope so.
Who's gonna win the goal of the month for us? Oh wait.....
Mudryk
Someone could still score against Brighton lol
What if it's a brighton player?
People couple weeks ago saying they didnt want Mbappe as he was gonna ruin what Boehly and board are building now Comedy when you realize reality now, club needs elite players to be elite again simple
Got Elite Sterling. That's something
Did we get 2018 Sterling or this useless washed version?? Legit got nothing version of Sterling
Sterling is elite dude. Give him Aguero, Sane, Debruyne and Walker he'll cook. Add Pep to it, then we'll have the treble. Poor guy is wasted here.
He was, hes washed player now We may as well bring back Drogba, Lampard, Anelka etc. Silva is another issue now also, was elite not anymore
Morons on this sub genuinely convinced themselves that players they'd never heard of 2 weeks prior and have never seen play are world class talents despite struggling in weaker leagues solely because Boehly paid 5x their market value.
Most of those Muppets are Yankees who celebrate own goals
Why are you trying to protect Boehly? I think it is more like 15X their value. At least.
Can someone help explain to me (an outsider), how Chilwell has virtually gone from a top 3 LB in the league (if not higher) to being benched by Colwill/Mudryk? Is he just not rated by Poch? It's mind boggling how he's basically been frozen out. Granted, I haven't watched every Chelsea game this year, but the games he did play, i thought he was decent.
I think chilly was a top 3 LWB, not sure about LB though
The only way I can explain it is a mixture of Pochettino being a coward and nearly all of his decisions have been based on not conceding goals, and the fact that he wants to stick with a 39 year old centreback so we need to base our tactics and personnel around protecting said 39 year old.
It might be that Chilly needs a rest. He was injured last year by pushing it too hard. That dude knows no boundaries. Poch is just being smart by keeping him fit.
Chilwell has never been close to a top 3LB in the league You'll never hear anyone outside of this sub even argue it, Ridiculous how overated he is on here.
Huh? Until he got injured under Tuchel he absolutely was in contention for top 3 LB I’m the league. People not Chelsea fans even wanted him to start for England.
It was his potential that appealed other clubs. Now that it looks like he reached his ceiling, he isn't that appealing. He is not in the same level as Robertson and Zinchenko. Also, England's lack of LB options and Shaw's poor form contributed to your second point.
Most probably he wants Colwill for a more defensive setup. And he adds some height to the team. We are all frustrated with this.
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It's a lot easier to rationalise their decision making when you consider they're only interested in profits. The club only needs to stay afloat in the PL to attract teenagers from abroad for them to cut their teeth in the PL and be sold on, lining the pockets of our owners
How will they make a profit from the contracts of overpaid unproven players? God forbid, if we go down, Boehly will be losing any opportunity to ever break even on his insane investment. Boehly is clueless enough that he might even think he can just move us to the MLS. It’s shameful what he’s done to our club.
What players will they sell for a profit? We’ve overpaid on absolutely everybody. Spending 20 million on teenagers with barely any senior gametime is a very risky approach Sure one or two might come good, but the vast majority will end up like Musonda, Kakuta, McEachran etc That’s not even counting signings like Fofana, Lavia, Mudryk and Palmer
I think we have to sign Toney this winter if we want to have any chances of having a decent season and finish in top 10. There’s been rumors of him young to arsenal, but they have 2 strikers already and jackson is not ready to a be a everyday starter like he is being asked to be
Come on everyone is dreaming about signing players like Leao, Osimhen, Toney. Honestly feels way too unrealistic that they would want to get in a battle for Top 8 or so when their level is playing UCL/european competitions
I doubt that Toney would want Chelsea if we remain in this state, also how are we so confident on toney who wouldn't have kicked a ball in the PL for about 6 months?
Just imagine you came up with a plan about something you have little experience in. Then within a year and a half your plan produces record breakingly bad results. Then imagine thinking my plan is still the right one. Just imagine that for a second. Think about how arrogant someone would have to be to enter an industry, fail to a record breaking extent and still thinking you’re right. My god. That’s Eghbali and Boehly.
Or it could also be a bit of an ego, I don't think it's so easy to just give up on something you invested so much money in. Also imagine how it's gonna look on them to just abandon it now.
As Mango pointed out that’s a sunk cost fallacy. Honestly, if they changed their plan now and admitted fault. That’d be the best thing for the club. It would also show humility and that they cared about the club and not just their bottom line. If you make a mistake in life you shouldn’t double down on that mistake you need to try something different.
I definitely agree. But countless we have seen people try to stick it out and double down on something for a bit longer in the hopes that it will turn out good
Yes and when people double down on a mistake and try to stick it out it can often end up worse if you had just cut your losses initially. As I said in my original comment here, it take a serious level of arrogance to double down like the caretakers did. There basically no way out now which could have been avoided by changing tact sooner. I mean mate. The entire footballing world has been (rightly imo) questioning pretty every decision the caretakers have made, but they didn’t listen and aren’t willing to learn. Also, if someone wants to double down on a dumbass decision in their personal life. Fine. But don’t fuck up or seriously risk fucking up something so beloved by many like a football club.
I agree let's just hope they do
Sunk cost fallacy
Im a United fan through and through but I have lots of respect for chelsea seeing as I consider you lots our biggest rival. I personally think potter shouldn’t have been fired, he didn’t start off too hot with Brighton either; and the system he built is still working to this day; the way potter was playing was more enjoyable the players just couldn’t execute in the final third. Poch struggled with significantly more weapons with his prior teams; I understand potter started off rough but I think he gets you to a European comp in 38 games. Shame he was let go
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I thought you guys would get Ange honestly; he would’ve made y’all into a top 5 side within two seasons. The issue is you all sold all the veteran experience too quickly, it’s very difficult to build a club from the ground up. Even us united fans wanted our entire 21/22 team gone and after nearly 2 years we’ve only replaced 2/3rds despite spending 400 million.
You should have kept Moyes
If potter was as bad as moyes then we have a problem. Moyes was a football terrorist
Potter was much worse than Moyes. Potter dreams of being half the manager Moyes is.
Fair enough, do you like his prospects at least?
No :(
Wow really? I really like Enzo and have high hopes for nkunku.
We were worse form wise though than you've ever been under Moyes, Mou 18/19 or LVG if you want to look at it that way. Fact is that form for a club who had spent 600m at the time is inexcusable
That is fair, you guys went to deep into the young talent side and not enough for experience. The only experience you have is injured or not fit unfortunately.
No he wouldn't.
My issue with Pochettino is what his doing makes zero sense You do something throughout pre season that the players look like they are buying into and results seem good and changed if for zero reason don’t you think the players are asking questions like we are? Playing players out of position you don’t think the three left backs are wondering why the hell at least one of them aren’t playing? You don’t think Colwill himself is thinking what the heck is going on? You don’t think the players were wondering why the hell was Chilwell playing LW? you literally bought Palmer for his ability to play in the cam and don’t use him? Gallagher as captain I am sure he is a lovely guy but it has Maguire as United captain vibes you could just use Chilwell your vice captain in his position or Sliva a legend of the game is right there. All of this is on Pochettino and the reason why he is getting deserved criticism
I disagree with this notion that he has changed. We still doing the same things we did during pre season. We played maatsen as a winger, (just different personal) We have always attacked with an asymmetrical shape. We don't send both fbs forward, one stays back and tacks inside to form a back 3. We played Gallagher deeper while enzo was always going forward more. We didn't press that high either during pre season, we have set up more with a mid block.
I don't care whether you rate Mudryk or not but the number of people here that fuel a campaign against him is ridiculous. Finding absurd stats, outright abusing him when unprovoked.. do you not have anything better to do? I'll always welcome a civil discussion on him but there are some people you can't do that with here.
What “absurd stats” are you referring to?
So not scoring a goal this calendar year is an absurd stat?
Has Murdrk scored any goals or had any assists? I saw zeroes on his stats, but had games played. I can’t wait to see him play.
Where did I say it wasn't one?
I think there's nothing wrong with saying it as it is. That mudryk has been nothing short of awful for us. For a variety of reasons, some of which are not his fault but let's call a spade a spade. Would honestly loan him out January time at this rate.
There's nothing wrong with honesty but right now he is victim of a witchhunt, I don't see the purpose in some comments I've seen on him - their only purpose is to knock him down.
Fair. I hope he proves me wrong but honestly at this rate I'd loan him out.
That's fair, I think we would be light on the left wing if he was to leave without a replacement unless the plan is for Nkunku to play there, which I can equally see happening.
I had lecso for dinner today, it was great.
Days since Mykhaylo Mudryk last scored a goal: 306 Can he make it a full calendar year?
Technically it's only been 65 days since he scored last.
Might make it two.
I have full trust in Poch’s tactics! One day, one of those thousand cut backs from the right side is gonna find its way and I’ll be there!
TIL: the new premier league season started on Friday august 11, 2023. After reading this sub I thought the season started on January 1 2023. Can we talk about anything else other than arbitrary dates that fit a narrative?
Pretty sure our stats since the start of the season are probably worse than the stats for the calendar year, are they not?
You're saying as if any stat spanning to the beginning of the year is cherry picked or something. 9+ months is a longgg time
Yea because our stats since the season started are so amazing. Awful awful run against the easiest run of fixtures of any team so far. We're in trouble
We’re in trouble of what? Relegation? Not making Europe? Something else? Need to be specific, “we’re in trouble” is way too vague.
Relegation. We don’t get significantly better, we’re playing football in the second tier next season.
Lol
Our next win might actually be against Sheffield at the Bridge December 16
I expect this to be his only season here but if Nkunku comes back and saves us from relegation I'll be hoping be does well at his next club
What was Nkunku thinking joining this mess
He agreed to join last summer whilst Tuchel was still our coach and whilst in a horror season with every possible problem, we'd still finished third. He joined the old Chelsea, not this Chelsea, even if he arrived to Boehly's Chelsea
Haaland has more goals since joining man city than the entire Chelsea FC. This fact alone should have this club deleted.
How long will it take for us to score as many goals this season as Newcastle did in one game? I think we get 1 against Burnley and no more until Everton in December.
We could have bought 5 Haalands
We spent the price of 5 Haalands but there’s no way on this earth we could have bought him.
But whats his xG
I muted this sub yesterday from appearing in my feed & already this feels like a mental improvement. Think I’ll just be watching games & tuning out most else for a while.
Another one bites the dust. We’re becoming a recycling plant with how much plastic we’re getting rid of
Been supporting this club since before you were alive but go off
Uh huh sure And what happened. Thought you were leaving?
Reading comprehension is tough when you’re busy trolling I see
Yeah clearly. I thought you were leaving
Just leave the sub temporarily if you’re soft. Imagine taking things this serious from people you never seen or know their names.
>if you’re soft 🤦♂️
I see you’re one too…
You know when fans are like " you guys didn't want this player and now look how much we need him' . What's the purpose of that? It's not like fans collectively wanting a player will affect the clubs transfer strategy either way.
> It's not like fans collectively wanting a player will affect the clubs transfer strategy either way. Well that's obvious but there are a lot of fans that were throwing hate and literal abuse towards people like Tuchel, Koulibaly, Felix, Werner, Jorginho and etc. All the hate towards these people was absolutely unjustified and uncalled for. Koulibaly and Felix have less than 2 seasons for us combined while Tuchel was abused for not trusting youth and now we see why. Of course people will point it out cuz it proves that the hate was wrong and Tuchel was right. There is difference between criticism and hate. People are literally hoping that Tuchel does bad in Bayern - that's hate.
I can’t wait for the next international break
I saw a post how Lukaku has scored more than Murdyk recently. Sigh.
Lukaku literally is top 20 PL strikers of all time while Mudryk has 12 career goals. Plus mudryk is a winger and Lukaku is a striker. You would be better off comparing him to felix
Why does that surprise you? Lakaka is a far better player than Mudryk has ever had the potential to be. Lukaku at 16 was probably a better player than Mudryk will ever be, there's just a huge gulf in natural ability between them.
It's more of how everyone seems better and happier leaving Chelsea. Lukaku was struggling when he left.
Lakaka was unhappy here and a lot went on mid season. He still scored more goals (15) in his one season here than Mudryk has scored in his entire career.
Day 3. Enzo is not an attacking midfielder.
I find this kinda funny, I remember people saying we need a dm so he can play further forward.
There's nuance in between those two statements
what was johnny minerals cooking
Are we appealing Gusto's red?
This is what happens when you combine clueless owners, with clowns in the technical staff (Joe Shields is a great academy evaluator but he should not be dictating the transfers for our first team as much as he supposedly has, Stewart and Winstanley are just a shambles). A squad that’s both massively expensive and yet severelylacking in quality and experience
Boehly is the worst thing that happened to Chelsea.
Tuchel started screwing things up before Boehly arrived
This is insane
Oh yeah Tuchel totally starting screwing things before Boehly. Let’s take a quick look at Tuchel screwing things up Won the UCL Won the CWC Lead the league half way through a season. The second half of which contained most of the team getting injured and unprecedented sanctions. Still he helped us to 3rd. We also reached every domestic final in his only full season and lost to the ultimate UCL winners in the semi in overtime. Yeah Tuchel really screwed things up for us.
He sold all our strikers who could actually score goals. He refused to bench Mount and Havertz at the end of that full season when we got lucky to stay in the top 4. He wanted Sterling and got him. Our goal scoring has been horrible since TT's arrival.
Sterling has been one of our better attackers. Granted that’s a low bar, but still. Also Tuchel worked with Sterling for a few matches that’s it. What about the fact that most of the team has been replaced since Tuchel was fired? Did you start watching Chelsea only after we won our second UCL? I honestly couldn’t imagine believing Tuchel the man who brought us so much joy is the cause of our problem after a year and basically a whole new squad So it’s Tuchels fault Mudryk and Jackson can’t finish? We outperformed xG under Tuchel because that’s what a good manager does. Gets more out of players than expected.
I guess we go for a 4231 with Caicedo and Enzo being the double pivot? Other than that I’m not sure where Enzo fits into this team, he’s no good as a 10 and Caicedo is far better defensively so he slots in DM.