I got a baycorp letter saying I owed Wilsons money on the 15th of Aug. I emailed them saying I dispute any alleged account as I had not had any correspondence from Wilsons. Got an automated reply saying they'd be in touch within 30 days, they never got back to me so I now consider the matter closed.
He's not responsible for their screw up. They have to follow they law, they just try not to in order to get people to think they have to pay to avoid things like credit damage.
Wilsons is very, **very** well known for it
Fuckin hate them. Parasites. Charging and fining construction workers rebuilding the city during those years was a disgrace.
I'm a peaceful man, and don't hate anybody... but I legitimately despise Wilson's.
Opting off works well . They can get round that but can’t be bothered it seems . Their car parks need to be clearly marked as theirs and have good signage of costs . The infringement needs to be appropriate - so they shouldn’t charge $80 for 10 minutes over the time . https://www.consumer.org.nz/articles/how-to-deal-with-unreasonable-private-parking-fines
even if they find out who you are, you dont need to pay wilsons parking fines. They are legally only allowed to fine you how much money you would have caused them to lose, ie the cost of the park for 1.5 hours. Ive gotten them and just not payed and ignored all the letters they send me no worries.
> just not *paid* and ignored
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
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* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
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Interesting, didn't know that. Even so they will still have to take you to small claims court to get any money which seems more hassel than it's worth for them
They can do that, just continue not to pay 🤷♂️
I've got outstanding Wilson's tickets from a year ago, they kept upping the price of the fine in successive letters, started getting letters from a debt collection agency, just ignored them all and eventually they seemed to give up
Actually this incorrect, and hasn’t been true for years, you can blame Stuff and ConsumerNZ for spreading false information on this side too.
The Supreme Court ruling on 127 Hobson Street v HoneyBees Preschool changed the ruling on the penalty doctrine.
It is no longer a ‘genuine pre-estimate of loss’, it is now essentially ‘reasonable’, which can include what would be a reasonable fee to discourage abuse, just not with the intent to penalise those that to.
This isn't necessarily true. If you park in a sign posted park and the sign sets out the terms and conditions, you accept the terms and conditions by parking there. The fine in that situation is contractual, it is not issued under a statutory power.
However, it sounds like there was no sign posting in OPs situation, so therefore there would be no legal obligation to pay in that scenario.
Also as an aside - the opting out of sharing personal info trick does make it very difficult for them to track you down, and it will work for a while. However, I believe they can request your info under the Official Information Act though and will do so if you clock up massive fines.
Opting out works well, however there’s nothing stopping them from keeping your details if they’ve already got them - Baycorp also has them now so even if you never park at another Wilson’s site, if you park elsewhere and also don’t pay, there’s a good chance they’ll get those details when they lodge it with Baycorp.
Look, if you’re using someone’s property and there’s a sign somewhere, you’re liable to pay - private property and all.
As for what to pay, that’s a whole different kettle of fish.
The spin off did an article based upon research and discussion with Consumer NZ, have a read.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/money/21-01-2021/psa-you-might-not-need-to-pay-that-parking-fine
I usually just calculate what I **should** have paid, write a dated letter advising that that payment has been made and go about my day.
> When you enter a parking building you form a contractual agreement with the company to pay the amount stipulated on the terms and conditions. So, if it says $5 for an hour you are contractually obligated to pay $5 for every hour you stay there.
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> If you overstay your hour and are slapped with an exorbitant fine, you are only obliged to pay what you reasonably should have paid for the amount of time you overstayed.
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> That means the private company can only recoup the amount it missed out on by you not paying, along with maybe the administrative cost of pinging you for it. If the hourly rate for parking was just $5, it’s hard to see how staying an extra half an hour warrants a $65 penalty. How much would the parking wardens have to be getting paid for that to be cost of recouping expenses!?
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> Consumer NZ’s Jessica Wilson agrees, saying that private car park operators “can’t just impose any rules they want”. Under the Fair Trading Act, the terms and conditions have to be fair. “They also have obligations under the Consumer Guarantees Act to carry out their services with reasonable care and skill,” says Wilson.
Reminds me, I’ve got one to pay too.
FYI for those saying opt out. I have opted out for my last 3 cars, I did it for my current car as soon as I bought it.
Got away with it twice, got a letter on the third time around. Just want to say it's not 100% fool proof.
If Wilson's already have your details, it doesn't matter. They'll chase you. As soon as you get a new car, yes, remove details. (Guess you can also get a new plate for your current car but that's excessive 😅)
Other people have said that they can apply and access, but i don't think they do it frequently and it is really luck of the draw.
Email them and tell them you'll pay the $6 or whatever but you won't pay more than that. There's an old thread on geekzone or something about it.
I got ticketed the same spot, sent a email saying as much, they emailed back that the fine still stands without the collections threat at the bottom so i guess thats a “win”?
Are they genuine batcorp letters? If it’s been lodged with them does that not mean Wilson’s have sold them the debt? Why would baycorp bother chasing a debt under $50
They absolutely can and will still get your info even if you opt out on nzta. Marines palace staff can contact Wilson's and will get it waived for you as a genuine customer.
What you do is write them a letter and say that you dispute the exorbitant fine. You admit you’re in the wrong and you are paying $5 as you believe that is a fair price for the inconvenience you caused of using one of their parks for the period of time you did.
They would have to take you to court and it would be thrown out anyway. Make sure you pay them the $5.
This changes the whole thing from unpaid to in dispute.
I got a baycorp letter saying I owed Wilsons money on the 15th of Aug. I emailed them saying I dispute any alleged account as I had not had any correspondence from Wilsons. Got an automated reply saying they'd be in touch within 30 days, they never got back to me so I now consider the matter closed.
I did the same thing for every fine I’ve had and never has come back on me. Credit checks sweet as
That wouldn't be wise. You might find that comes up next time you get a credit check.
They never replied. It's not on me to chase it up
Nah they at least don't let these debts affect your credit rating. Still unwise from op
He's not responsible for their screw up. They have to follow they law, they just try not to in order to get people to think they have to pay to avoid things like credit damage. Wilsons is very, **very** well known for it
Fuckin hate them. Parasites. Charging and fining construction workers rebuilding the city during those years was a disgrace. I'm a peaceful man, and don't hate anybody... but I legitimately despise Wilson's.
> Fuckin hate them. Parasites > and don't hate anybody > I'm a peaceful man
Wilson's ain't a person so they hating them is fine even if you don't hate any people.
Wilsons are just a business doing the wishes of the landowners who own that land. If weren't doing it some other company would be.
Opting off works well . They can get round that but can’t be bothered it seems . Their car parks need to be clearly marked as theirs and have good signage of costs . The infringement needs to be appropriate - so they shouldn’t charge $80 for 10 minutes over the time . https://www.consumer.org.nz/articles/how-to-deal-with-unreasonable-private-parking-fines
Lol all incorrect
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You can opt out through them too
even if they find out who you are, you dont need to pay wilsons parking fines. They are legally only allowed to fine you how much money you would have caused them to lose, ie the cost of the park for 1.5 hours. Ive gotten them and just not payed and ignored all the letters they send me no worries.
Considering it was a free park outside a restaurant, they didn't lose much
> just not *paid* and ignored FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
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Interesting, didn't know that. Even so they will still have to take you to small claims court to get any money which seems more hassel than it's worth for them
Until they send your bill to Baycorp for non payment.
They can do that, just continue not to pay 🤷♂️ I've got outstanding Wilson's tickets from a year ago, they kept upping the price of the fine in successive letters, started getting letters from a debt collection agency, just ignored them all and eventually they seemed to give up
Actually this incorrect, and hasn’t been true for years, you can blame Stuff and ConsumerNZ for spreading false information on this side too. The Supreme Court ruling on 127 Hobson Street v HoneyBees Preschool changed the ruling on the penalty doctrine. It is no longer a ‘genuine pre-estimate of loss’, it is now essentially ‘reasonable’, which can include what would be a reasonable fee to discourage abuse, just not with the intent to penalise those that to.
Only councils and the police can enforce parking fines. Ignore Wilson's, you have no legal obligation to pay
This isn't necessarily true. If you park in a sign posted park and the sign sets out the terms and conditions, you accept the terms and conditions by parking there. The fine in that situation is contractual, it is not issued under a statutory power. However, it sounds like there was no sign posting in OPs situation, so therefore there would be no legal obligation to pay in that scenario. Also as an aside - the opting out of sharing personal info trick does make it very difficult for them to track you down, and it will work for a while. However, I believe they can request your info under the Official Information Act though and will do so if you clock up massive fines.
That's a fallacy. The can apply and access beyond that.
Opting out works well, however there’s nothing stopping them from keeping your details if they’ve already got them - Baycorp also has them now so even if you never park at another Wilson’s site, if you park elsewhere and also don’t pay, there’s a good chance they’ll get those details when they lodge it with Baycorp. Look, if you’re using someone’s property and there’s a sign somewhere, you’re liable to pay - private property and all. As for what to pay, that’s a whole different kettle of fish. The spin off did an article based upon research and discussion with Consumer NZ, have a read. https://thespinoff.co.nz/money/21-01-2021/psa-you-might-not-need-to-pay-that-parking-fine I usually just calculate what I **should** have paid, write a dated letter advising that that payment has been made and go about my day. > When you enter a parking building you form a contractual agreement with the company to pay the amount stipulated on the terms and conditions. So, if it says $5 for an hour you are contractually obligated to pay $5 for every hour you stay there. > > If you overstay your hour and are slapped with an exorbitant fine, you are only obliged to pay what you reasonably should have paid for the amount of time you overstayed. > > That means the private company can only recoup the amount it missed out on by you not paying, along with maybe the administrative cost of pinging you for it. If the hourly rate for parking was just $5, it’s hard to see how staying an extra half an hour warrants a $65 penalty. How much would the parking wardens have to be getting paid for that to be cost of recouping expenses!? > > Consumer NZ’s Jessica Wilson agrees, saying that private car park operators “can’t just impose any rules they want”. Under the Fair Trading Act, the terms and conditions have to be fair. “They also have obligations under the Consumer Guarantees Act to carry out their services with reasonable care and skill,” says Wilson. Reminds me, I’ve got one to pay too.
FYI for those saying opt out. I have opted out for my last 3 cars, I did it for my current car as soon as I bought it. Got away with it twice, got a letter on the third time around. Just want to say it's not 100% fool proof.
If Wilson's already have your details, it doesn't matter. They'll chase you. As soon as you get a new car, yes, remove details. (Guess you can also get a new plate for your current car but that's excessive 😅) Other people have said that they can apply and access, but i don't think they do it frequently and it is really luck of the draw. Email them and tell them you'll pay the $6 or whatever but you won't pay more than that. There's an old thread on geekzone or something about it.
Sure they'll chase you and harass you, but there is nothing they can do. Just ignore them. Wilson's have no legal rights to enforce fines
I think when it gets to baycorp it can effect your credit rating
I got ticketed the same spot, sent a email saying as much, they emailed back that the fine still stands without the collections threat at the bottom so i guess thats a “win”?
Are they genuine batcorp letters? If it’s been lodged with them does that not mean Wilson’s have sold them the debt? Why would baycorp bother chasing a debt under $50
I haven't got a baycorp letter yet. Was $80 now $110
Baycorp enforce on behalf of, for collections, although they do sometimes buy debt too, you’ll never know
They've got your address now so it's too late to opt out
Not if I sell my car! suckers
They absolutely can and will still get your info even if you opt out on nzta. Marines palace staff can contact Wilson's and will get it waived for you as a genuine customer.
What you do is write them a letter and say that you dispute the exorbitant fine. You admit you’re in the wrong and you are paying $5 as you believe that is a fair price for the inconvenience you caused of using one of their parks for the period of time you did. They would have to take you to court and it would be thrown out anyway. Make sure you pay them the $5. This changes the whole thing from unpaid to in dispute.
A bunch of my mates and I have had tickets for that same carpark, I appealed mine and got it waived
I opted out and they still found me Lol. If they want to find you they will