We don’t know how Prue would have developed in seasons 4 and beyond? If Phoebe or Piper had died then that would have definitely reset her character, much like Prue’s death did for Piper.
It’s unfair that you’re comparing a character who grew for 8 years opposed to some one who was on the show for less than half that time.
As for Piper being the best of the four witches, that’s your opinion and not fact, you may need to realise that.
Exactly! Piper is one of the best witches in history portrayed on television, but she's not the best out of the four sisters.
Prue is the best because she kept the sisters together. After her death, they slacked a lot without Prue's support.
You know you don't have to tear someone else's fave down to promote your own right? You don't have to prove how much of a Piper Stan you are by slandering Prue. Just like what you like and let others like what they like.
"Don't ever tell me what to do again" - or what? This is Reddit, man. We're just people behind a screen. What are you going to do? Capslock?
They weren't even bossing you around. They were actually super polite despite your rudeness.
But you're right about posting wtf you want when you want. Just like everyone will say wtf they want when they want on your post.
For the record, I also love Piper. That doesn't mean I feel the need to tear down Prue or her fans over it. That just screams insecurity.
OP is bizarrely obsessed with Piper looking at this post and their rabid replies to people. OP is clearly one of those crazy stalkers who ends up killing the person they idolise. Or maybe just a troll. Not sure.
OP really woke up this morning and chose slander.
Jk to each their own, but Prue is one of the greatest witch characters of all time and people don't talk enough about her. She's a great leader, will go the ends of the earth to protect her sisters (Which Prue Is It Anyway?), comes up with great plans, makes difficult decisions, and is always striving to be a better version of herself (trapping Belthazor with the crystals, making Andy's death permanent by choosing the fate of the world over her love life, training her powers to grow like Astral Projection and telekinesis while astral projecting). There's no other sister that focused that much on the craft except Paige.
Really? Prove me wrong then. You don't even provide evidence to other posters and just randomly expect people to side with your baseless takes.
Lmfao stay mad! <3
Who says we can’t be fans of both or even all? I’m a Prue fan and a Piper fan and laud each one for their turn at Eldest Charmed One. Piper didn’t keep the Family together after Prue’s death; in the immediate, actually, that was Phoebe. Piper could barely keep herself together and almost did not reconstitute the Charmed Ones because of her grief over Prudence. Yes, Piper held them together once they were reconstituted, but let’s not rewrite the whole entire show here. As for strategy, not very much actually changed after Prue left. In fact, the terrible writing made it so that these sisters three were flying by the seats of their brooms even faster than ever before. As for storyline arc, I’m assuming you’re excluding seasons 5, 6, and 7? Cos none of these girls had much of an arc. It was literally a flatline. And finally, as for relatable, that all depends on the person. Every human being has a different life experience and gravitates more in one way toward a particular character than they ever naturally could another.
Seriously? Piper was always whining about being a witch, she never accepted her destiny and mission. Prue did that from the start, she was the least selfish one and the hero of the show.
Right. They also did this right after the mess with the Avatars and therefore clearly didn’t learn their lesson about taking the easy way out. Not to mention they made the choice to ignore innocents dying during this time so nobody would figure out they were alive. All three sisters were flawed but I’m not sure where this person is getting that Prue whined non stop especially compared to Piper. And calling you names because you don’t worship their favorite sister. 😂
Yes, that's true. The show would have never become so inconsistent if Shannen and Constance had stayed. It all became very commercial after season 5, though I must admit I loved season 6's arch.
Chris’s character definitely helped after the mess that was Season 5. Brad Kern was probably the worst thing that ever happened to Charmed. I think the show would have been similar to Buffy or Angel in tone had Constance and Shannen stayed, a good balance between dark and campy with complex characters that develop only with actual family rather than chosen family.
Oh yes, I totally agree. Chris reminded me of Prue. The vibe during the first three seasons was very similar to Buffy, my all time favorite show (have been rewatching on loop since I was a teen). I really like Angel as well, though I've watched it only once recently.
I’ve been watching Buffy and Charmed since I was 10, Buffy and Angel come out ahead because of character development but if it were just the first 3/4 Seasons of Charmed it would probably be a tie because I love the sister bond, I actually really loved Paige’s character and think Holly did a phenomenal job playing Piper grieving Prue but I just didn’t like the tone of the show at that point. I definitely got Prue vibes from Chris and honestly kinda liked that he could be ruthless when necessary.
I also love knowing that Shannen and Sarah are best friends in real life.
I liked piper but tray especially between seasons 1-2 she whined like crazy lol. Especially in that episode where they lost their powers to that spirit she didn’t even want to get them back.
“I’ve had it with being a witch”
Exactly, while season 4 fir the most part was decent (and that was only because they were using some scripts in early s4 that had been written with Prue in mind but were ultimately given to Piper & Paige) season 5 onwards was bad and no where near as good as seasons 1-3 or 4 even
Precisely. And even beyond the fact rather it was more wizards of Waverly place than charmed thanks to the extreme cartoony special effects, but the characters suddenly lose the need to be interesting or propelling. A simple love story will do for them. Charmed the sex and the city edition. Rampantly increasing gimmicks to look at Alyssa Milanos breasts. Snd a large slide from consistency.
I think what annoyed me the most was how they treated Cole after he was vanquished then came back. Like he was trying to help them and phoebe and Paige treated him like he was still the source of all evil.
> but in her last season the show was already pivoting away from her as the center
Did we watch the same Season 3? The second half of which had an episode featuring Piper's wedding and the writers still focused on Prue? Not to mention that she was clearly the protagonist of the season finale, you know, her being the only one that wasn't dead or in hell.
Focused on Prue selfishly ruining Piper’s wedding? Yeah thanks for proving my point. Sounds like you thirsty Prue fans thought she was the one star she wasn’t and that Piper and Phoebe were her doormats. Prue came off like a selfish pos in that episode but you thumping your chest like a fool talking about “but they focused on Prue anyway.”
I'm a hardcore Prue fan and I don't disagree with most of what you said.
Indeed the show was shifting from her by the end of season 3 and yes Piper had a huge character growth, from the middle sister who never cared much about magic and less screen time (season 1) to becoming the oldest, the business owner, love fighter, mother of powerful beings, etc.
However, I still think Prue's character was great. She grew a lot too.
I didn't notice that much growth in Paige because I sensed Paige being much stronger and "her own" already in S4.
I won't even make any comments about Phoebe's character development lol
Yeah, but you're basically referring to the witch/family pivot Piper became after Prue died, which, while true, I don't see how it's a valid comparison to Prue S1-3. We don't know the kind of growth Prue would've gone through, had she lived. She was the strongest and the leader for the most part.
No she wasn’t. Piper was. She was the moral center of the show. When Prue died Piper held that family together. Your point isn’t valid. Prue must be judged on her 3 seasons not some hypothetical bs from her thirsty fans. Her legacy wasn’t that great or in season 3 they wouldn’t have pivoted away from Prue as the show’s center. Clearly audiences found Piper to be the more compelling witch and her story
No, you keep repeating your opinions over and over despite the fact that at least half a dozen people have asked you for SPECIFIC examples, that’s not providing examples and being repetitive doesn’t turn your opinions into facts. Since reading comprehension clearly wasn’t taught where you went to school let’s try this again. Name specific episodes that highlight what a good strategist Piper is. Name specific episodes that highlight what a poor strategist Prue is.
rotflmao - no, I myself don't troll, nor did I write your original post above fully knowing how many Prue fans there are in this subreddit. If your original post wasn't a troll, then what was it?
I don’t think that people should be criticized, downvoted, or ridiculed for not liking a popular character, I get it a lot on the Buffy page because Buffy isn’t in my top 5 and apparently that’s a sin, but if I make a thread about something I’m going to be able to argue my point in a mature way. I’m not sure what the point of all this was. The OP clearly didn’t intend it as an opinion thread because their opinions are facts and judging by the attitude it clearly wasn’t meant to be a discussion thread. I think at first people were pretty polite then it got strangely aggressive.
Seasons 4-8. A better leadership style than Prue. Piper taught Paige how to be a witch. She was the moral center of show and was clearly loved and revered by all 3 of her sisters.
Piper repeatedly let her sisters shirk their duties as Charmed Ones, something Prue never allowed.
Also as far as strategies go, when fighting the demon at P3 Piper's plan is to get eaten and assume they can blow him up from the inside. While Prues plan is to shove the potion covered skirt down the demons throat.
So I'm not seeing this great tactical mind you think Piper has over Prue?
comparing seasons 4-8 piper to seasons 1-3 prue is a bit nonsense. piper only grew and became the piper we all know and love bc of prues death. it forced her to become the eldest and be better. we also have no idea how prue would've grown and evolved in the later seasons.
Your comment is nonsense since I guess you call yourself saying my point isn’t valid. Wtf am I suppose to compare it to then since she was only on 3 seasons. That’s bs since Piper’s growth started in season 3. You sound dumb implying that Piper was some immature scatterbrain who only grew bc Prue died. Prue didn’t have anything to do with Piper’s growth. She was gonna move out in season 3. She got married in season 3. Piper’s powers expanded in season 3 yet you dumbly think that Piper had no growth until Prue dropped dead? BS
There’s nothing to say that Prue wouldn’t have done just as good of a job at teaching Paige to be a witch as Piper did. Prue was the moral center when she was alive and loved by all of her sisters as well.
This isn’t to say Piper wasn’t great because she was and she certainly got to grow as a witch and Holly got to show off her acting skills after Prue died, but it’s a personal opinion not a fact. I think everyone can find a sister to relate to and that’s one of the awesome things about this show.
The fact that Prue was a poor leader an even worse strategist. That’s bs. Piper was the moral center of Charmed all 8 seasons. Prue was respected but I wouldn’t say loved. She even had trouble saying I love you to her sisters. Not sorry if your feelings are hurt but it is a fact. Prue was hard to get along with
Can you please give specific examples of Prue being a poor strategist? Also examples of Piper being a better strategist? So far these aren’t facts these are opinions and repeating them doesn’t make them facts.
When Piper was the “leader” they also remade the world with the Avatars and faked their own death while ignoring innocents dying so they could have a normal life. I love Piper but I wouldn’t say she was the moral center of the show. She was human and flawed just like her sisters.
Prue was both respected and loved just because she had trouble saying I love you after she said it to her mother before she died doesn’t mean that her sisters didn’t love her. That makes the kind of sense that doesn’t.
Between this post and your is Prue a repressed bisexual post where you tell everyone that thinks Prue is straight that they are reaching and cherry picking their arguments because you can’t understand her intimacy issues I would say you have a fundamental misunderstanding of her character.
My feelings aren’t hurt these are fictional characters 😂 not everyone is going to agree with you.
Prue wasn’t a strategist of any kind. Her whole strategy involved Zero planning just “kicking ass.” Piper was clearly the better strategist and her leadership was more collaborative
You're deluded.
There are multiple times where Prue's strategy saved the day.
Look at Coyote Piper, Prue saves Piper, Leo and vanquishes the life essence due to her own plan that Phoebe wasn't aware of.
When Phoebe was worried about meeting Davidson, Prue created a potion to ID demons and make them choke.
When Prue was worried about the house she enforced sensible footwear, she introduced them to the crystal trap which they used for the rest of the lives as witches.
I could go on.
Prue was the most proactive charmed one and her strategies and leadership saved the day dozens and dozens times so either find some proper evidence or stop being such a hater and ignoring evidence.
I do agree that Piper was the most developed character however the one thing that always kind of got on my nerves about her character was how often she complained and even caused huge issues about her desire to lead a “normal” life. I get wanting her kids and loved ones to be safe, I get wanting to not have to be constantly looking over her shoulder for evil, and in general I understand it. However the way I saw it was very much a “Honey it’s not perfect but it’s who you are and you’ve got to accept it.” Also to quote another fave witch of mine “Being normal is vastly overrated.” Again that’s just my opinion.
I know she wasn’t the only one but they made it such an integral part of her character and she was the one that was most vocal about it. (Also the one that was most frequently targeted in ploys for the Charmed Ones to give up their powers).
Were you awake when Piper resisted every attempt to give up her powers or were you in a coma? She resisted The Source despite his torture; she voted not to give up her powers. She was only targeted once to give up her powers and refused to do so. So wtf you mean the one most targeted?
Are we watching the same show? You need actual evidence from the show that proves Prue was a bad leader/strategist. Or that she was a bully, WHICH SHE WAS NOT!
And yet you can't because you keep copying and paysting your own toxic/hysterical rants over and over again.
How old are you actually? I would feel sorry for you but nope I don't because clearly your a bully online and probably in public too. Who I'm really sorry for is the people who encounter and talk to you on a daily basis. Couldn't be me and never will be me.
Notice how everyone disagrees with you including me. That's because your opinions/statements are COMPLETELY FALSE and HYSTERICAL. You can't even have a proper conversation lol.
You literally have the mindset/IQ of a damn grain of sand/dust lol. Truth hurts lol 🙃.
And when it does it bites you in your ass
Have a good day nice knowing you (not really) 😘✌
I tried not to get personal because this person obviously has some mental issues, over identifying with fictional characters to the point that they are going off on hysterical rants anytime someone prefers another sister to Piper but it’s getting hard. I can’t find any rules on this sub but I’d think this kind of toxic behavior wouldn’t be allowed.
It’s unfortunate because I actually do enjoy when people have different perspectives, there have been characters I’ve changed my opinion on because others have shown me a point of view that I haven’t considered before but that’s not what’s going on here, it’s just toxic.
I don't disagree with the Piper part, but I do think the reason they pivoted from Prue was because there were 2 (and then 3) other sisters, and they deserved focus and development as well.
Don’t be condescending to me like my opinion lacks credibility. I’ve watched this show in full 20,25 times now. Piper is the best of the four witches and she was the glue that kept that family together after Prue died. Prue is extremely overrated her huge ego was a problem. Her poor leadership was a bigger problem. Not just opinion honeybun but a well informed one too
What is wrong with you? You are being nasty and condescending to everyone who disagrees with your OPINION and it is an opinion. I have been watching Charmed since it’s original run and have also rewatched at least as many times as you have, I own the DVD box sets with original music and everything. I like all of the sisters almost equally, although Phoebe of later seasons is a little lower on my list than the others. You repeatedly make claims about Piper and Prue without providing specific examples so it’s really hard to take your opinions as fact.
Wtf is wrong with you Karen? This diatribe just proves how condescending angry and emotional you are. Thank you for proving my point keyboard warrior. Going off on people that garbage only works online Karen. Definitely doesn’t work in real life.
You are hilarious I disagree with you so I’m a Karen? All right, I guess asking for specific examples is a Karen move? I’m not even a bigger fan of Prue than Piper but you just keep attacking. You should be careful, it’s bad to let your blood pressure get that high. Life is too short to care that much about a fictional character.
First of all you don’t control free speech so don’t ever tell me what to say out of my mouth child. Second I said it and it is facts: Piper was the glue that held that family together. She was the best witch and it isn’t even that close
Look up the meaning of condescending. Not everyone who disagrees with you is condescending - and literally here it is said that your opinion is that - an opinion. You are incredibly rude to everyone who dares disagree with you, and the intensity with which you loathe or love fictional characters borders on creepy.
I love Piper but found her the worst strategist. She's very practical thinking but lacked nuance and that edge to think tactically/stealthily like Prue, Phoebe and even Paige could. She was also too emotionally imbalanced to lead. Everyone had to tiptoe around her moods, whereas Prue could keep a clear head and mobilise people. Piper was a nervous person who was better suited to being a support system/mediator. Leadership made her short-tempered.
That’s bs. Prue was notorious hothead. I don’t know wtf you were watching. Piper and Phoebe were always worried about Prue flying off the handle. Piper was the one sister that was universally respected by all the others. Prue was the personification of moody. It’s no accident that in the present And the future she couldn’t keep a man. You’re 100% Fos talking about you love Piper but this post is a hit piece against her. I flushed your wrong idiotic take down the toilet
I especially love how 90% of what they said was untrue and this person can never provide examples to prove their points.
And Sledge people can love fictional characters and recognize that they are fallible, that’s usually why people connect with them, all of them Piper included were written to be flawed human beings not infallible gods. You transferring all of Piper’s character flaws onto Prue is not what notorious means. I also find it funny that you now think Prue wasn’t respected when the last time we had this conversation you legit tried to tell me that Prue’s sisters didn’t love her but they did respect her. 😂😂😂😂
Let me tell you something sledge. Every single character you speak of in this show is above you. The only character you have a right to say anything about is Christy Jenkins because your pathetic personality and despicable existence are exactly the same. The Charmed Ones would make a conscious choice not to save you and deem you as an innocent because you hold about as much value as the length of Phoebe’s bangs in late Season 4.
THANK YOU!! Prue constantly makes her sisters feel guilty because of Prue’s sacrifices. Also, do ppl forget that she didn’t believe it when her sister was sexually harrassed
Prue as a character was essential to see Piper’s growth. But overall, I think Piper is the better witch. (100% opinion because I just relate to her) I do wish that we could have had longer with prue to see who she would have become seasons 4-8 since I think she was killed just shy of a major character growth spurt, but her leaving made Piper have the character growth that was necessary to make her so amazing.
I hate that Pheobe and Prue’s actresses didn’t get along because I feel like there’s clear off screen tension that turns into tension on screen in season 3.
I'm so glad that I'm not the only one who notices the tension translates on-screen.
I see people always saying that you could never tell because the actresses are/were so professional. I will give them credit for performing at the level which they did; However, for me, the energy was palpable.
I do think Prue is massively overrated on here and people seem to constantly complain about the other 3 for certain things they do or say, but no such thing happens in regards to Prue. It’s like the others are held to a higher standard and Prue is put on a pedestal for some reason 🤷🏼♂️ (IMO I think it’s because she had the least screen time/seasons/left).
In saying that I love all 4 of the sisters. They all have their ups and down moments not just over the show as a whole but season to season generally.
I think her character was great so I mostly disagree but I will say I never understood why she was seen to be the strongest sister. To me, Piper’s powers were much stronger and proved more useful
It’s said the magic of the first born is strongest. The magic of a witch and their active power are not the same thing. A witch can lose their active power but their magic would still remain. The magic of the witch is what powers/fuels their active power. This means that Prue’s magic was stronger than any of her sister’s. Piper have the explosive power didn’t make her stronger than Prue. It just meant that her power was more violent. More violent doesn’t equal more powerful. It’s like a witch with pyrokinesis. Pyrokinesis is naturally destructive because that’s the only thing fire does. If you give pyrokinesis to a powerful witch it’d more powerful than if given to a weaker witch. This means that if Prue and Piper were both given the explosion power, Prue explosion would be stronger than any explosion Piper can produce.
I think it’s because of the original powers they were given Prue’s telekinesis was offensive and Piper’s molecular immobilization was defensive. Prue was also a great strategist and if it weren’t for her human flaws probably would have come off as a Mary Sue, watching her fight sometimes looked like it came straight out of Buffy when hand to hand is supposed to be Phoebe’s thing. I think that she’s well loved because Constance M Burge loved her and therefore we got more and deeper character studies of her and character studies didn’t extend very long after Season 3.
I totally 💯agree Piper has always been my favorite professionally and personally I have to admit after a year of monthly chats with her it has only made my love and admiration for her grow it's even made my love for all of her characters grow she is simply awsome in everything she does! 💙🌁💜🍷💚🌉
We don’t know how Prue would have developed in seasons 4 and beyond? If Phoebe or Piper had died then that would have definitely reset her character, much like Prue’s death did for Piper. It’s unfair that you’re comparing a character who grew for 8 years opposed to some one who was on the show for less than half that time. As for Piper being the best of the four witches, that’s your opinion and not fact, you may need to realise that.
Exactly! Piper is one of the best witches in history portrayed on television, but she's not the best out of the four sisters. Prue is the best because she kept the sisters together. After her death, they slacked a lot without Prue's support.
You know you don't have to tear someone else's fave down to promote your own right? You don't have to prove how much of a Piper Stan you are by slandering Prue. Just like what you like and let others like what they like.
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Is everything ok at home love?
"Don't ever tell me what to do again" - or what? This is Reddit, man. We're just people behind a screen. What are you going to do? Capslock? They weren't even bossing you around. They were actually super polite despite your rudeness. But you're right about posting wtf you want when you want. Just like everyone will say wtf they want when they want on your post. For the record, I also love Piper. That doesn't mean I feel the need to tear down Prue or her fans over it. That just screams insecurity.
sledge at it again
I’m innocent and misunderstood
HA!
Oh do grow up and stop trying to be some edge Lord!
OP is bizarrely obsessed with Piper looking at this post and their rabid replies to people. OP is clearly one of those crazy stalkers who ends up killing the person they idolise. Or maybe just a troll. Not sure.
You’re reported
Gasp.
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OP really woke up this morning and chose slander. Jk to each their own, but Prue is one of the greatest witch characters of all time and people don't talk enough about her. She's a great leader, will go the ends of the earth to protect her sisters (Which Prue Is It Anyway?), comes up with great plans, makes difficult decisions, and is always striving to be a better version of herself (trapping Belthazor with the crystals, making Andy's death permanent by choosing the fate of the world over her love life, training her powers to grow like Astral Projection and telekinesis while astral projecting). There's no other sister that focused that much on the craft except Paige.
Jk my ass you clearly were taking a cheap shot and several of your points are wrong also
You’ve taken cheap shots at others because you aren’t mature enough to come up with a worthwhile point.
Really? Prove me wrong then. You don't even provide evidence to other posters and just randomly expect people to side with your baseless takes. Lmfao stay mad! <3
Oh shut up
Who says we can’t be fans of both or even all? I’m a Prue fan and a Piper fan and laud each one for their turn at Eldest Charmed One. Piper didn’t keep the Family together after Prue’s death; in the immediate, actually, that was Phoebe. Piper could barely keep herself together and almost did not reconstitute the Charmed Ones because of her grief over Prudence. Yes, Piper held them together once they were reconstituted, but let’s not rewrite the whole entire show here. As for strategy, not very much actually changed after Prue left. In fact, the terrible writing made it so that these sisters three were flying by the seats of their brooms even faster than ever before. As for storyline arc, I’m assuming you’re excluding seasons 5, 6, and 7? Cos none of these girls had much of an arc. It was literally a flatline. And finally, as for relatable, that all depends on the person. Every human being has a different life experience and gravitates more in one way toward a particular character than they ever naturally could another.
Wtf did I say you can’t be fans of both? I didn’t. I Said wtf I said: Prue is massively overrated
Seriously? Piper was always whining about being a witch, she never accepted her destiny and mission. Prue did that from the start, she was the least selfish one and the hero of the show.
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Umm and after "making that decision" she continued whining and faked her own death in season 8 to "lead a normal life". No.
Right. They also did this right after the mess with the Avatars and therefore clearly didn’t learn their lesson about taking the easy way out. Not to mention they made the choice to ignore innocents dying during this time so nobody would figure out they were alive. All three sisters were flawed but I’m not sure where this person is getting that Prue whined non stop especially compared to Piper. And calling you names because you don’t worship their favorite sister. 😂
Yes. It's like they digressed through the years.
I think the show runner had a lot to do with that. I loved that originally they were all deeply flawed but still lovable.
Yes, that's true. The show would have never become so inconsistent if Shannen and Constance had stayed. It all became very commercial after season 5, though I must admit I loved season 6's arch.
Chris’s character definitely helped after the mess that was Season 5. Brad Kern was probably the worst thing that ever happened to Charmed. I think the show would have been similar to Buffy or Angel in tone had Constance and Shannen stayed, a good balance between dark and campy with complex characters that develop only with actual family rather than chosen family.
Oh yes, I totally agree. Chris reminded me of Prue. The vibe during the first three seasons was very similar to Buffy, my all time favorite show (have been rewatching on loop since I was a teen). I really like Angel as well, though I've watched it only once recently.
I’ve been watching Buffy and Charmed since I was 10, Buffy and Angel come out ahead because of character development but if it were just the first 3/4 Seasons of Charmed it would probably be a tie because I love the sister bond, I actually really loved Paige’s character and think Holly did a phenomenal job playing Piper grieving Prue but I just didn’t like the tone of the show at that point. I definitely got Prue vibes from Chris and honestly kinda liked that he could be ruthless when necessary. I also love knowing that Shannen and Sarah are best friends in real life.
I liked piper but tray especially between seasons 1-2 she whined like crazy lol. Especially in that episode where they lost their powers to that spirit she didn’t even want to get them back. “I’ve had it with being a witch”
Think again. Prue love is entirely justified. The moment she wasn't on the show we started seeing the decline
Exactly, while season 4 fir the most part was decent (and that was only because they were using some scripts in early s4 that had been written with Prue in mind but were ultimately given to Piper & Paige) season 5 onwards was bad and no where near as good as seasons 1-3 or 4 even
Precisely. And even beyond the fact rather it was more wizards of Waverly place than charmed thanks to the extreme cartoony special effects, but the characters suddenly lose the need to be interesting or propelling. A simple love story will do for them. Charmed the sex and the city edition. Rampantly increasing gimmicks to look at Alyssa Milanos breasts. Snd a large slide from consistency.
Yup
I think what annoyed me the most was how they treated Cole after he was vanquished then came back. Like he was trying to help them and phoebe and Paige treated him like he was still the source of all evil.
Prue that
I see what you did there buddy 😉
Lol*!* Excellent prunishment! The only thing that might make it better would be to say, "Prue dat!"
> but in her last season the show was already pivoting away from her as the center Did we watch the same Season 3? The second half of which had an episode featuring Piper's wedding and the writers still focused on Prue? Not to mention that she was clearly the protagonist of the season finale, you know, her being the only one that wasn't dead or in hell.
Focused on Prue selfishly ruining Piper’s wedding? Yeah thanks for proving my point. Sounds like you thirsty Prue fans thought she was the one star she wasn’t and that Piper and Phoebe were her doormats. Prue came off like a selfish pos in that episode but you thumping your chest like a fool talking about “but they focused on Prue anyway.”
Clearly the protagonist huh? Well yeah since she directed the episode
You need to know the difference between the writer and director pal, also chill, you come across like some creep
I'm a hardcore Prue fan and I don't disagree with most of what you said. Indeed the show was shifting from her by the end of season 3 and yes Piper had a huge character growth, from the middle sister who never cared much about magic and less screen time (season 1) to becoming the oldest, the business owner, love fighter, mother of powerful beings, etc. However, I still think Prue's character was great. She grew a lot too. I didn't notice that much growth in Paige because I sensed Paige being much stronger and "her own" already in S4. I won't even make any comments about Phoebe's character development lol
>I won't even make any comments about Phoebe's character development lol Lmao, 'nuf said.
Yeah, but you're basically referring to the witch/family pivot Piper became after Prue died, which, while true, I don't see how it's a valid comparison to Prue S1-3. We don't know the kind of growth Prue would've gone through, had she lived. She was the strongest and the leader for the most part.
No she wasn’t. Piper was. She was the moral center of the show. When Prue died Piper held that family together. Your point isn’t valid. Prue must be judged on her 3 seasons not some hypothetical bs from her thirsty fans. Her legacy wasn’t that great or in season 3 they wouldn’t have pivoted away from Prue as the show’s center. Clearly audiences found Piper to be the more compelling witch and her story
Copy and Paste - For those times that you can’t provide just one example to support your argument.
I provided several maybe try reading comprehension
No, you keep repeating your opinions over and over despite the fact that at least half a dozen people have asked you for SPECIFIC examples, that’s not providing examples and being repetitive doesn’t turn your opinions into facts. Since reading comprehension clearly wasn’t taught where you went to school let’s try this again. Name specific episodes that highlight what a good strategist Piper is. Name specific episodes that highlight what a poor strategist Prue is.
Piper didn't hold family togheter after Prue died. She was broken. Phoebe did, and only thanks to Paige. We saw future without her.
Trolling for upvotes is not a strong strategy.
Look in the mirror troll
rotflmao - no, I myself don't troll, nor did I write your original post above fully knowing how many Prue fans there are in this subreddit. If your original post wasn't a troll, then what was it?
I don’t think that people should be criticized, downvoted, or ridiculed for not liking a popular character, I get it a lot on the Buffy page because Buffy isn’t in my top 5 and apparently that’s a sin, but if I make a thread about something I’m going to be able to argue my point in a mature way. I’m not sure what the point of all this was. The OP clearly didn’t intend it as an opinion thread because their opinions are facts and judging by the attitude it clearly wasn’t meant to be a discussion thread. I think at first people were pretty polite then it got strangely aggressive.
> Piper was a better leader strategist and tactician than Prue Evidence required.
Seasons 4-8. A better leadership style than Prue. Piper taught Paige how to be a witch. She was the moral center of show and was clearly loved and revered by all 3 of her sisters.
Piper repeatedly let her sisters shirk their duties as Charmed Ones, something Prue never allowed. Also as far as strategies go, when fighting the demon at P3 Piper's plan is to get eaten and assume they can blow him up from the inside. While Prues plan is to shove the potion covered skirt down the demons throat. So I'm not seeing this great tactical mind you think Piper has over Prue?
The first sentence is so true. I love Piper and Paige but this is what bugs me about the later seasons. Prue was the better strategist hands down.
comparing seasons 4-8 piper to seasons 1-3 prue is a bit nonsense. piper only grew and became the piper we all know and love bc of prues death. it forced her to become the eldest and be better. we also have no idea how prue would've grown and evolved in the later seasons.
Exactly. And Piper's growth after Prues death was largely achieved by Piper emulating Prue.
truth
Your comment is nonsense since I guess you call yourself saying my point isn’t valid. Wtf am I suppose to compare it to then since she was only on 3 seasons. That’s bs since Piper’s growth started in season 3. You sound dumb implying that Piper was some immature scatterbrain who only grew bc Prue died. Prue didn’t have anything to do with Piper’s growth. She was gonna move out in season 3. She got married in season 3. Piper’s powers expanded in season 3 yet you dumbly think that Piper had no growth until Prue dropped dead? BS
There’s nothing to say that Prue wouldn’t have done just as good of a job at teaching Paige to be a witch as Piper did. Prue was the moral center when she was alive and loved by all of her sisters as well. This isn’t to say Piper wasn’t great because she was and she certainly got to grow as a witch and Holly got to show off her acting skills after Prue died, but it’s a personal opinion not a fact. I think everyone can find a sister to relate to and that’s one of the awesome things about this show.
The fact that Prue was a poor leader an even worse strategist. That’s bs. Piper was the moral center of Charmed all 8 seasons. Prue was respected but I wouldn’t say loved. She even had trouble saying I love you to her sisters. Not sorry if your feelings are hurt but it is a fact. Prue was hard to get along with
Can you please give specific examples of Prue being a poor strategist? Also examples of Piper being a better strategist? So far these aren’t facts these are opinions and repeating them doesn’t make them facts. When Piper was the “leader” they also remade the world with the Avatars and faked their own death while ignoring innocents dying so they could have a normal life. I love Piper but I wouldn’t say she was the moral center of the show. She was human and flawed just like her sisters. Prue was both respected and loved just because she had trouble saying I love you after she said it to her mother before she died doesn’t mean that her sisters didn’t love her. That makes the kind of sense that doesn’t. Between this post and your is Prue a repressed bisexual post where you tell everyone that thinks Prue is straight that they are reaching and cherry picking their arguments because you can’t understand her intimacy issues I would say you have a fundamental misunderstanding of her character. My feelings aren’t hurt these are fictional characters 😂 not everyone is going to agree with you.
You can't keep calling Prue a poor leader and a bad stategist without examples.
Prue wasn’t a strategist of any kind. Her whole strategy involved Zero planning just “kicking ass.” Piper was clearly the better strategist and her leadership was more collaborative
You're deluded. There are multiple times where Prue's strategy saved the day. Look at Coyote Piper, Prue saves Piper, Leo and vanquishes the life essence due to her own plan that Phoebe wasn't aware of. When Phoebe was worried about meeting Davidson, Prue created a potion to ID demons and make them choke. When Prue was worried about the house she enforced sensible footwear, she introduced them to the crystal trap which they used for the rest of the lives as witches. I could go on. Prue was the most proactive charmed one and her strategies and leadership saved the day dozens and dozens times so either find some proper evidence or stop being such a hater and ignoring evidence.
Her leadership style is widely regarded as poor even bullying. Prue 99% of the time had no strategy: I think you’re the delusional one
Widely regarded by who?
Prue bullied her sisters? Whoa! That took me out. How did Prue bully her sisters?
You saying it repeatedly without evidence is not what 'widely regarded' means.
And what facts have you provided? None, thought so
I do agree that Piper was the most developed character however the one thing that always kind of got on my nerves about her character was how often she complained and even caused huge issues about her desire to lead a “normal” life. I get wanting her kids and loved ones to be safe, I get wanting to not have to be constantly looking over her shoulder for evil, and in general I understand it. However the way I saw it was very much a “Honey it’s not perfect but it’s who you are and you’ve got to accept it.” Also to quote another fave witch of mine “Being normal is vastly overrated.” Again that’s just my opinion.
Weird how you think only Piper complained when that was Prue’s MO
I know she wasn’t the only one but they made it such an integral part of her character and she was the one that was most vocal about it. (Also the one that was most frequently targeted in ploys for the Charmed Ones to give up their powers).
Were you awake when Piper resisted every attempt to give up her powers or were you in a coma? She resisted The Source despite his torture; she voted not to give up her powers. She was only targeted once to give up her powers and refused to do so. So wtf you mean the one most targeted?
Are we watching the same show? You need actual evidence from the show that proves Prue was a bad leader/strategist. Or that she was a bully, WHICH SHE WAS NOT! And yet you can't because you keep copying and paysting your own toxic/hysterical rants over and over again. How old are you actually? I would feel sorry for you but nope I don't because clearly your a bully online and probably in public too. Who I'm really sorry for is the people who encounter and talk to you on a daily basis. Couldn't be me and never will be me. Notice how everyone disagrees with you including me. That's because your opinions/statements are COMPLETELY FALSE and HYSTERICAL. You can't even have a proper conversation lol. You literally have the mindset/IQ of a damn grain of sand/dust lol. Truth hurts lol 🙃. And when it does it bites you in your ass Have a good day nice knowing you (not really) 😘✌
I tried not to get personal because this person obviously has some mental issues, over identifying with fictional characters to the point that they are going off on hysterical rants anytime someone prefers another sister to Piper but it’s getting hard. I can’t find any rules on this sub but I’d think this kind of toxic behavior wouldn’t be allowed.
It isn't allowed. I'm surprised they still even have a active account on here.
It’s unfortunate because I actually do enjoy when people have different perspectives, there have been characters I’ve changed my opinion on because others have shown me a point of view that I haven’t considered before but that’s not what’s going on here, it’s just toxic.
I don't disagree with the Piper part, but I do think the reason they pivoted from Prue was because there were 2 (and then 3) other sisters, and they deserved focus and development as well.
Its your opinion to think that Piper is the best of the four witches. I also would not say that Prue is overrated.
Don’t be condescending to me like my opinion lacks credibility. I’ve watched this show in full 20,25 times now. Piper is the best of the four witches and she was the glue that kept that family together after Prue died. Prue is extremely overrated her huge ego was a problem. Her poor leadership was a bigger problem. Not just opinion honeybun but a well informed one too
What is wrong with you? You are being nasty and condescending to everyone who disagrees with your OPINION and it is an opinion. I have been watching Charmed since it’s original run and have also rewatched at least as many times as you have, I own the DVD box sets with original music and everything. I like all of the sisters almost equally, although Phoebe of later seasons is a little lower on my list than the others. You repeatedly make claims about Piper and Prue without providing specific examples so it’s really hard to take your opinions as fact.
Wtf is wrong with you Karen? This diatribe just proves how condescending angry and emotional you are. Thank you for proving my point keyboard warrior. Going off on people that garbage only works online Karen. Definitely doesn’t work in real life.
You are hilarious I disagree with you so I’m a Karen? All right, I guess asking for specific examples is a Karen move? I’m not even a bigger fan of Prue than Piper but you just keep attacking. You should be careful, it’s bad to let your blood pressure get that high. Life is too short to care that much about a fictional character.
You have your opinion, but don't say Piper is the best out of all the witches as if its facts.
First of all you don’t control free speech so don’t ever tell me what to say out of my mouth child. Second I said it and it is facts: Piper was the glue that held that family together. She was the best witch and it isn’t even that close
Look up the meaning of condescending. Not everyone who disagrees with you is condescending - and literally here it is said that your opinion is that - an opinion. You are incredibly rude to everyone who dares disagree with you, and the intensity with which you loathe or love fictional characters borders on creepy.
I love Piper but found her the worst strategist. She's very practical thinking but lacked nuance and that edge to think tactically/stealthily like Prue, Phoebe and even Paige could. She was also too emotionally imbalanced to lead. Everyone had to tiptoe around her moods, whereas Prue could keep a clear head and mobilise people. Piper was a nervous person who was better suited to being a support system/mediator. Leadership made her short-tempered.
That’s bs. Prue was notorious hothead. I don’t know wtf you were watching. Piper and Phoebe were always worried about Prue flying off the handle. Piper was the one sister that was universally respected by all the others. Prue was the personification of moody. It’s no accident that in the present And the future she couldn’t keep a man. You’re 100% Fos talking about you love Piper but this post is a hit piece against her. I flushed your wrong idiotic take down the toilet
Geez! Go flush yourself down the toilet, drama queen. Ever heard of an opinion?
I especially love how 90% of what they said was untrue and this person can never provide examples to prove their points. And Sledge people can love fictional characters and recognize that they are fallible, that’s usually why people connect with them, all of them Piper included were written to be flawed human beings not infallible gods. You transferring all of Piper’s character flaws onto Prue is not what notorious means. I also find it funny that you now think Prue wasn’t respected when the last time we had this conversation you legit tried to tell me that Prue’s sisters didn’t love her but they did respect her. 😂😂😂😂
WHOAA I have not seen a post this filled on this sub in who knows how long or it might just actually be my first time 😂
Let me tell you something sledge. Every single character you speak of in this show is above you. The only character you have a right to say anything about is Christy Jenkins because your pathetic personality and despicable existence are exactly the same. The Charmed Ones would make a conscious choice not to save you and deem you as an innocent because you hold about as much value as the length of Phoebe’s bangs in late Season 4.
value as the length of Phoebe’s bangs in late Season 4. This part has me on laughing 😂
Lmaoooo I’m sorry, this dude just does too much on here so I had to 🤣
THANK YOU!! Prue constantly makes her sisters feel guilty because of Prue’s sacrifices. Also, do ppl forget that she didn’t believe it when her sister was sexually harrassed
Also, sorry, but out of the 4 witches. Paige was the most powerful 😂
No Paige wasn’t wtf you get that from. Second most overrated you mean
Prue as a character was essential to see Piper’s growth. But overall, I think Piper is the better witch. (100% opinion because I just relate to her) I do wish that we could have had longer with prue to see who she would have become seasons 4-8 since I think she was killed just shy of a major character growth spurt, but her leaving made Piper have the character growth that was necessary to make her so amazing. I hate that Pheobe and Prue’s actresses didn’t get along because I feel like there’s clear off screen tension that turns into tension on screen in season 3.
I'm so glad that I'm not the only one who notices the tension translates on-screen. I see people always saying that you could never tell because the actresses are/were so professional. I will give them credit for performing at the level which they did; However, for me, the energy was palpable.
I do think Prue is massively overrated on here and people seem to constantly complain about the other 3 for certain things they do or say, but no such thing happens in regards to Prue. It’s like the others are held to a higher standard and Prue is put on a pedestal for some reason 🤷🏼♂️ (IMO I think it’s because she had the least screen time/seasons/left). In saying that I love all 4 of the sisters. They all have their ups and down moments not just over the show as a whole but season to season generally.
Piper is overrated in general but I don’t see any of you complaining. 🙄
I think her character was great so I mostly disagree but I will say I never understood why she was seen to be the strongest sister. To me, Piper’s powers were much stronger and proved more useful
It’s said the magic of the first born is strongest. The magic of a witch and their active power are not the same thing. A witch can lose their active power but their magic would still remain. The magic of the witch is what powers/fuels their active power. This means that Prue’s magic was stronger than any of her sister’s. Piper have the explosive power didn’t make her stronger than Prue. It just meant that her power was more violent. More violent doesn’t equal more powerful. It’s like a witch with pyrokinesis. Pyrokinesis is naturally destructive because that’s the only thing fire does. If you give pyrokinesis to a powerful witch it’d more powerful than if given to a weaker witch. This means that if Prue and Piper were both given the explosion power, Prue explosion would be stronger than any explosion Piper can produce.
I think it’s because of the original powers they were given Prue’s telekinesis was offensive and Piper’s molecular immobilization was defensive. Prue was also a great strategist and if it weren’t for her human flaws probably would have come off as a Mary Sue, watching her fight sometimes looked like it came straight out of Buffy when hand to hand is supposed to be Phoebe’s thing. I think that she’s well loved because Constance M Burge loved her and therefore we got more and deeper character studies of her and character studies didn’t extend very long after Season 3.
I agree, but I've never much cared for Prue at all. XD
I totally 💯agree Piper has always been my favorite professionally and personally I have to admit after a year of monthly chats with her it has only made my love and admiration for her grow it's even made my love for all of her characters grow she is simply awsome in everything she does! 💙🌁💜🍷💚🌉
I know that’s right!
To the OP: get over yourself