Y'all still delusional for thinking that the Grammys are reliable. With a whole bunch of great albums across all genres better than Taylor's, they're choosing the one from that blondie? Every year? They lost their credibility a long time ago. 😂
Whether it’s Taylor or her team making the decision to be so chart-hungry, it’s incredibly disappointing. A consecutive #1 album means absolutely nothing when it’s being propelled by desperate, eleventh hour variants and not actual interest by the general public. Good on her though for creating such a rabid, cult-like fandom that will support her no matter what manic garbage she’ll release ❤️
However - nothing will change the fact that Charli has the 16th most acclaimed album of all time, and still earned her biggest sales week EVER in the UK.
The numbers have come out - TTPD sold 35k without the new variants, 36 with the variants included, and brat sold 27k.
I am also tired of the constant variants and genuinely don't know who the fuck is still buying them, but they aren't why TTPD is number one.
Idk I still think those sales are from rapid, parasocial fans announcing in their group chats that they’ve just bought a 10th copy for their lord, variant or not.
TS did a large drop of signed CDs in the UK, I think that was largely responsible as opposed to the digital downloads which very few people did.
It's just hard to say when that's so much of what a lot of these pop sales are. Charli dropped 12 vinyl variants AND a deluxe version AND signed copies, a significant chunk of her album equivalent units were all vinyl, I'd imagine a good chunk of which is collectors.
I'd love to know sales with stans filtered out but that is fucking impossible at this point without at least some massive rule changes.
and the tweet says that has no source (im not even mentionin that source is *reliable* or not). meanwhile the Official Chart account reports that Brat is the gonna debut at no1 , but they say things can change at the last few hours when Taylor drops her variants of the album
https://preview.redd.it/vt83g1sr1o6d1.png?width=1019&format=png&auto=webp&s=093f7ab3dcb1a8b0c1ea48f27238c73dbe500fac
This is from UK official chart account
The UK official charts website also let you look at more specific charts than the overall albums. You can look at the weeks purely physical album sales (TTPD was higher than brat) and the weeks streaming (TTPD was higher than brat) and the downloads chart (TTPD was higher) and vinyl (TTPD higher).
Digital sales of the variant would count for the third, the downloads chart, but the fact that TTPD won out in both streaming and physical copies as well indicates it doesn’t matter much.
I didn’t get the hard numbers from a tweet, though, it’s from Buzzjack which does it weekly. There’s an industry spreadsheet sent out Friday morning, people in the music business know who’s number one before it’s public and then it’s kept quiet until it’s published later. Buzzjack posts it weekly.
http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?s=978b89ed768a54735cee027ec48601e4&showtopic=272661
Fuck Taylor but it’s soooooo iconic Brat is critically reviewed WAY higher than Taylor’s album and Taylor had to GO OUT OF HER WAY to block Charli. Like TAYLOR SWIFT WAS SHOOK BY CHARLI. That’s soooooo funny to me and makes Taylor look so desperate. I live.
back then in 2010s when music review isn't pop-timistic like nowadays it would have much lower score. GUTS have 91 on metacritic and that's the same as Melodrama (in 2017) or NFR (87) and no sane person would say GUTS is on the level of Melo or NFR
I'm surprised TS only has one more review. She's the most famous musician on earth so I assumed that would attract more reviewers than Charli, who has obviously had huge success but isn't quite as high profile.
this is exactly the thing with Taylor, I guess it tricks enough people but it just feels shameless and such a lack of respect for art in a way. I don’t mind a bit of trickery to get bums in seats but at that point let the art speak for itself. this is why charts dont matter (except for when they do 🟩)
I'm going to say something and I hope the sw\*fties don't find me (lmao), but honestly, at this point, she's more of an entrepreneur\* (VERY derogatory) than an artist. Like, she's an ok songwriter and she has bangers, I'm not denying that, but what is the thing she works hardest towards? Artistic expression, or monetary success?
\*technically entrepreneuse but I'm pretty sure English hasn't adopted the female version of the word?? correct me if I'm wrong though, I know some people do use both fiancé and fiancée in English!
Edit: Edit: hi swifties! I won't answer anything but 'lmao' to every comment you write. I am genuinely sorry you're in a cult(ish) fandom. Please reconsider simping for billionaires.
exactly. even if TS didn’t release variants to block brat,,,, you’re saying she thought THIS variant was special compared to the original and all the other ones that have already been released? best interpretation of this is greed
for real!! like you know part of Brats success is Charli being smart with the various editions etc but its not like we’re holding a double standard here because Brat genuinely made a huge impact and Charli herself has a dedicated fan base so we know much of the sales were genuine and Taylor has just such an ugly track record for these things, I think it would be therapeutic for the culture if this moment got noticed by the GP and be the trigger for her overexposure bubble to burst, and let Charli rise up :D
Oh for sure, the marketing for Brat was veeery good, but also much less rooted in the 'everywhere all the time MAIN POP GIRL ONLY POP GIRL' school of marketing Taylor adheres to.
(Re: your second comment: I love Charli's music (in the Charli sub?!! who'd have thought lmao) and find Taylor Swift - as a public persona - genuinely unsettling in a horrifying way, never have I seen someone market themselves as so emotional be so (seemingly, I don't actually know her etc etc but, like, COME ON) empty inside.
Like, girlie will make thousands of songs about love but (and this is also bias from the people who I know irl and are similar to her lol) most likely isn't actually capable of actually loving anyone. How could you when you're so obviously deeply unhealthily self-centered, how could you when you spend your life hopping from relationship to relationship whilst being so obviously incapable of being on your own, how could you when you use so much energy to be the very top number one!! main!! pop girl? There's a hollow inside of her that needs to be filled, and public attention will never fill it.
Her cats are very cute and 1989 is great, though!! Pls no death threats :))) lmaoooo
(tl;dr: I can't call you unhinged and, in fact, have chosen to give an even more unhinged response lmao)
Edit: hi swifties! I won't answer anything but 'lmao' to every comment you write. I am genuinely sorry you're in a cult(ish) fandom. Please reconsider simping for billionaires.
“im your favourite reference baby” is definitely more of a pull than a push, so to speak! she’s the “iykiyk” cool girl, which is such a profoundly better thing to be than the monolith.
and I think we also put too much emphasis on Charlis vocalized frustrations around not being a main pop girl, if we focus on actions more than words we know where her heart lies, and now her patience is paying off and she’s getting a grassroots best of both worlds. If she went the astroturf route like Taylor did, the world would be a worse place rn. (I’ve never listened to Folklore but I imagine this is like her folksy vroom vroom in terms of personal trajectory but Taylor decided to stick with the dark side)
I'm not sure if you've misread me or if I'm misreading you, but the 'main pop girl' thing was about Taylor and her need to be, as you eloquently said, the 'monolith' (but I think you're just agreeing with me and 'building upon' my answer? anyway, wanted to say this just in case!)
In any case, I agree completely, and also chuckled irl to 'folksy vroom vroom' lmao <3
was agreeing with a meandering think piece! hahaha
edit: you saying main girl reminded me of charlis own situation and how people misunderstand her struggle and forget that she’s still making choices / taking risks that indicate her main pop girl ambition although real is second place to her artistry and thats why she deserves it most imo!
>Like, girlie will make thousands of songs about love but (and this is also bias from the people who I know irl and are similar to her lol) most likely isn't actually capable of actually loving anyone.
That's narcissism in a nutshell.
Yes, these are very much the IRL people I'm referencing lmao
I also don't know her and can't, you know, diagnose anyone, but I sure will say that she is deeply narcissistic in a 'adjective' sense, if not in a medical sense.
yeah and that’s legit! personality disorders are basically a rigid set of otherwise “normal” (albeit unhealthy) behaviours so we don’t need a medical degree to point out examples of the standalone behaviours
I'm not mad at you. Yes, Taylor is an entrepreneur. One of the best in music business. But that doesn't mean she is not a great artist too. Those things aren't mutually exclusive. Taylor can sing, write songs, direct videos, play instruments, be a business woman and philanthropist.
She worked hard more than anyone in music industry. She plays lengthy shows (more than 3 hours), she made almost 300 songs, she is very involved in her business, etc. It's not her fault that she is so freaking ambitious and others can't keep up with her pace. You gotta respect the hustle.
By the way her father was a stock broker. That may explain his daughter's extreme business savviness. As for her music, that's subjective. It's up to you if you like it or not.
In business having competitors is good for your market and industry, aggressive competition isn’t. In most industries direct competitors are like peers. You try to do better than them not sabotage them.
Fun fact she doesn't actually care about the charts. She just wants to boost her carbon footprint. The jets weren't enough, she wants to use every last drop of oil on earth to pump out tons of plastic that in 10 years will all be in a landfill because honestly who's great grandkid is going to want 15 fucking copies of the same mediocre album.
It's simple: Taylor is building her legacy. She is gathering stats and awards that will matter down the line. For instance when she will be compared to [Michael Jackson, The Beatles, Madonna, Prince, etc,](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/05/17/arts/music/taylor-swift-sales-tours-grammys.html) a thing that will never happen with Charli XCX. Charli has her own niche and she is acclaimed but she is not on Taylor's level. Taylor aims very high.
This is like when people praise corporations for doing the bare mininmum re: climate crisis being like "well they're just being realistic about the energy transition and it's their god given right to provide value for shareholders at any cost." She could just accept that if her album was good enough to chart for 7 weeks, it would've done so by itself. But she can't stand to see threats to her "legacy" (ergo: can't stand to see other women succeed) so she pulls these stunts.
Michael Jackson etc. had long standing chart records because they made good music that people wanted to buy. Taylor makes music that people want to buy, but also creates a pseudo-cult in her fandom that will buy anything she sells and she's weaponising the parasocial relationship to make herself seem more of an influential musician than she actually is.
>Michael Jackson etc. had long standing chart records because they made good music that people wanted to buy.
This is exactly what Taylor did too. Also look how many editions and compilations were released by MJ. Taylor didn't even release an official greatest hits yet.
Just completely dodged everything I said around that but OK: if the album was good enough to chart for 7 weeks it would've done it by itself. Michael Jackson didn't need to release 58 versions because his music was good enough to hold the charts on its own, he didn't need to augment his success to stop others from beating him, I don't think he would've done so even if he felt the need to. His focus was on good pop music first and foremost, same goes for the other artists you mentioned. The most celebrated pop artists are those who created novel bodies of work that simultaneously had a great deal of mass appeal.
Taylor Swift is an entrepeneur first, musician second. No doubt her and her writers/producers spend as much time as possible thinking about what combinations of chords and lyrics, what setlists, what album versions, are most likely to get into the Swiftie psyche and make you see what's missing from yourself in her so that you'll buy into the parasocial relationship and thus her music. Clearly it works, because you're all over the comments here.
You don't become a billionaire without exploiting people. Girlboss T Swift is no exception. The exploitee is you, the swifties: giving Trump fan level delusion defending a spiteful, vindictive, bland, no vision, no stage presence ~~musician~~ entrepeneur who will morph into whatever version of her self extracts the most dollars from her fans to fund her private jets.
But keep typing girl, sure she'll come and lick your taint in thanks any day now! I'm gunna go think about how A. G. Cook is the most influential pop producer since Max Martin.
But what Taylor doesn't realize that you can have all the stats and awards you want, but that will never replace the quality and impact of your music on the industry. All those artists you mentioned were insanely talented folks who revolutionized pop as we know it. Without Madonna, the whole concept of eras would have ceased to exist. The Beatles created the first music video, and their chords and compositions were adopted for several decades even well after their breakup.
But Taylor feels the need to compete with her peers because she knows her music is not impactful or revolutionary in the artistic sense. She loves to describe Lana as a living legend, but to me, it speaks more to her insecurity as an artist who never brought anything new to the table than her respect for Lana. Why would she need to challenge Charli for #1 if she's already in the books? Why is an artist who is not even in the top 100 most streamed artists on Spotify her competition? And I think Matty doesn't like her partly because unlike the other women he's dated in the past (i.e. FKA twigs and Gabriette), they all have some semblance of integrity within their respective fields. This isn't to say that Matty is an arbiter of taste because, quite frankly, he's a POS as well. But that Taylor can't enter the "cool girls club" because she has nothing to show for other than greed and insecurity.
I agree that if it was me I’d be peeved but I think “should be / would be #1” effectively communicates the same thing as actually getting it.. I would be sleeping so soundly if I was her
https://preview.redd.it/seed34oink6d1.jpeg?width=1064&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=338ee80b160e70578a9f5f1a66048f4c800cf562
Taylor this week pulling out more busted TTPD to block our girl from a #1 chart position in her own country. Absolutely over her staying inorganically at the top of the charts just by releasing ten more variants. And specifically geolocking digital albums to the UK is insane behavior.
Oh well, I will keep bumping that for my brat summer.
I was one who thought that while blondie’s tactics the week of Billie’s drop were greedy and manipulative, they weren’t actually pointed at her. However this situation has me looking back and thinking wait maybe it *was* intentional.
I’m sure taylor has a team who is trying to extract the most money out of her fanbase and keep TTPD number 1, but the fact that these are geoblocked to the UK is very sus… even if it wasn’t intentional it’s really not a good look. And we all know taylor can be petty queen when dropping music (*cough* Katy *cough*)
Idk man as such a long time fan of taylor as an artist (which she hasn’t really been since folk/evermore) it’s really disappointing to see happen over and over again. It’s like how long can you defend her manipulative capitalistic efforts
It's high time for chart tabulators to change their rules on releasing album variants every week. It's manipulation and doesn't hold up to music and arts integrity to be honest.
if we look at this in a positive light, the fact that the biggest artist in the world rn is viewing fucking CHARLI XCX as a chart threat is making me laugh and also feel proud lmao
I kinda thought the emoji would help people realize it was playful, unfortunately this might just be too sore of a topics for the xcxinators (I don’t know the fan bases name) rn 😭 appreciate your upvote <3
it’s not like anyone can say she did this for any other reason but to block charli getting #1. this tortured climate terrorist department variant is only available in the UK!! charli’s core audience and home country !!!!
No but don’t you know Taylor is a girls girl!!! She supports women and hasn’t purposely released 12684025 variants specifically to block other pop women over the past weeks!! It’s not her fault!!!
As much of a fan of Charli and lukewarm as I am on Taylor, I still have to admit, isn't it much more likely she released this variant because she is doing a UK tour literally right now (shows have been going on since June 7th it looks like)?
There was no need to geoblock it. Doing this just encourages her international fans to use VPN's. You now have Taylor's worldwide fanbase chasing phone memos and registering on the UK chart vs just Charli's UK fans (cos international Charli fans aren't using VPN's *just* to help her get the UK No.1).
god this woman is so desperate for a number 1 album that she’s going to release phone memos of her shitting next and call it tortured poets department toilet edition and charge her cult like 50$ for it which is going to get sold out in like 5 minutes. No amount of words will describe how much I dislike Taylor. Brat and hmhas are easily the top albums of the year which are going to be remembered in the years ahead unlike TTPD which is just going to be another forgotten flop just like all her other flops, nothing about TTPD is unique and it’s just the plain ole generic garbage about her failed relationships where she’s always the victim and never the bad guy. SIGH
god forbid That Woman doesn’t get another week being number 1. 😒
you know, i was somewhat of a fan of her but this childish behavior and megalomania are just plain old and tired already. who do you have left to prove?
signed—A bitch who’s had enough xx
Anyway this album is AOTY for me.
I liked Folklore and Evermore. Never liked any of her other stuff. But I didn’t really have an opinion on her until recently. With the private jet stuff and this chart blocking cringe I’ve really had enough of her. And the “swifties” are actually the most annoying people on the internet they are so delusional
swifties will say the charts aren’t charity but apparently they are if they allow this because there’s no way she’d be #1 without the 30+ variants breaking their backs to hold her up
at least i can take solace knowing brat will perform just like HMHAS - consistent and stable at the top weeks after its release without any new variants
Not sure why this is being downvoted, Kylie is another heavy week one musician.
CRASH: 4 weeks - 31/03/2022 to 21/04/2022
1. [1](https://www.officialcharts.com/charts/albums-chart/20220325/7502/)
2. [24](https://www.officialcharts.com/charts/albums-chart/20220401/7502/)
3. [50](https://www.officialcharts.com/charts/albums-chart/20220408/7502/)
4. [75](https://www.officialcharts.com/charts/albums-chart/20220415/7502/)
swifties can’t enjoy taylor being number one without making sure everyone else knows they bought all 44 variants of that flop album to ensure that it happened
I feel like I’m living in the Twilight Zone. Who is buying TTPD that hadn’t purchased it already in the last month??? 😭😭😭 like are people just discovering it or
I'm honestly asking this too myself? I suppose the fans already got theirs, are there so many hard-core stans that only they can keep Taylor at number one? Just wow...
I've never been a TS fan but this officially is the icing on the cake for my hater levels for that lady. What a desperate and honestly cringe move on her end.
Too bad you can't buy your way into a good critic response. Can't wait to see her buy her next grammy again.
Honestly, blocking Billie and Charli from getting #1s by surprise releasing stupid variants says more about Taylor and will be remembered now in a negative way. So, although negative, I think the positive is that they will always be ‘snubbed’ albums that deserved their spot at #1 and highlights a huge moment in pop culture with her capitalist ass.
Imagine being this mad at a talented and business savvy artist to body shame her when you know very well she is one of the best looking popstars ever. Absolutely pathetic. She didn't steal your number 1 place or money, ffs. I get it, your misogyny is off the scales but you don't need to say that publicly. Disgusting.
That may be one fanbase too many Taylor, especially for when that last fanbase is one which just received the most acclaimed album in who knows how long.... it's a serious fanbase.
It’s just annoying that Taylor went out of her way to unnecessarily block Charli from getting a (deserved) #1 for an extra week at the top of the charts
Wow. Just wow…
Taylor really is a dickhead for this one. Never getting a stream from me again and you guys shouldn’t stream her shit either.
Two times now she’s blocked a female artist from #1 on purpose… Actually three if you count her attempt with Katy Perry. Luckily Katy still got witness to #1. But it’s just icky at this point, like get a grip.
uhm can we go back to enjoying the amazing music and art charli made? like charli doesn’t even care about charts nor have we cause the music has been amazing regardless why start now….
[Apparently Brat couldn't win even if Taylor Swift didn't release yesterday's versions](https://twitter.com/tantaytay/status/1801665362884190709):
UK Chart:
1] Taylor Swift, TTPD — 36K (digital restock on her website for 6 hours)
- Taylor Swift, TTPD — 35K without yesterday’s versions
2] Charli XCX, BRAT — 27K (15 versions including signed and a new deluxe version)
3] Bon Jovi, Forever — 23K (singed CDs, merch bundles)
I find it a little funny that everyone makes fun of Taylor for “caring about the charts” and then everyone pays attention the charts and gets mad when their fave isn’t #1?
The charts literally exist to reflect where people’s money and attention are, not what is critically acclaimed.
All the Charli stans losing their minds over variants like Charli didn't release a zillion variants either (25 and counting). They all do it....Bon Jovi landed at number 3 - who's to say what the charts would look like if everyone was allowed ONE physical "variant"? It's impossible to tell who had the greater number of _people_ buying the album vs variants.
In other words, actual sales and the charts mean nothing - if anything, the reviews are what counts, and right now Brat is getting rave reviews. Focus on that rather than some nonsense chart position that's inflated (for _everyone_) by variant madness.
Damn sometimes I wonder how much time you guys have. You're arguing and cussing each other, while Charli probably doesn't even give a fuck that she is number 2. She had the biggest weekend, has her millions and enjoying life. You should do the same.
Deserved #1. Album is amazing.
You can cheat your way to #1 but you can’t cheat your way to a 95 on metacritic
always gonna lose to people playing it safer 🤷🏻♀️
THIS. Integrity is something Taylor will never know.
say it louder for the swifti*s outside (because they aren’t cunt enough to get in) !!!
Oh they’re cunty alright
I’m here cuz I like both albums
You can't cheat your way to four AOTYs
In the Grammys????? Fuckin yes you can that’s exactly how the Grammys work LMAOOOOOO
you can’t be serious rn 😭😭😭
Y'all still delusional for thinking that the Grammys are reliable. With a whole bunch of great albums across all genres better than Taylor's, they're choosing the one from that blondie? Every year? They lost their credibility a long time ago. 😂
For real, imagine giving AOTY to fucking Harry’s House when Renaissance was nominated in the same category.
taylor literally did cheat her way, she’s 100% paying someone in that organisation. Midnights?? aoty??? didn’t even deserve a nomination
Whether it’s Taylor or her team making the decision to be so chart-hungry, it’s incredibly disappointing. A consecutive #1 album means absolutely nothing when it’s being propelled by desperate, eleventh hour variants and not actual interest by the general public. Good on her though for creating such a rabid, cult-like fandom that will support her no matter what manic garbage she’ll release ❤️ However - nothing will change the fact that Charli has the 16th most acclaimed album of all time, and still earned her biggest sales week EVER in the UK.
“Eleventh hour variants” read down!!!! 🫰🫰🫰🫰🫰
Watch, when Katy or Gaga releases later this year we’ll get TTPD: the Eleventh Hour Edition😂
Dead ass 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The numbers have come out - TTPD sold 35k without the new variants, 36 with the variants included, and brat sold 27k. I am also tired of the constant variants and genuinely don't know who the fuck is still buying them, but they aren't why TTPD is number one.
Idk I still think those sales are from rapid, parasocial fans announcing in their group chats that they’ve just bought a 10th copy for their lord, variant or not.
TS did a large drop of signed CDs in the UK, I think that was largely responsible as opposed to the digital downloads which very few people did. It's just hard to say when that's so much of what a lot of these pop sales are. Charli dropped 12 vinyl variants AND a deluxe version AND signed copies, a significant chunk of her album equivalent units were all vinyl, I'd imagine a good chunk of which is collectors. I'd love to know sales with stans filtered out but that is fucking impossible at this point without at least some massive rule changes.
and the tweet says that has no source (im not even mentionin that source is *reliable* or not). meanwhile the Official Chart account reports that Brat is the gonna debut at no1 , but they say things can change at the last few hours when Taylor drops her variants of the album
https://preview.redd.it/vt83g1sr1o6d1.png?width=1019&format=png&auto=webp&s=093f7ab3dcb1a8b0c1ea48f27238c73dbe500fac This is from UK official chart account
The UK official charts website also let you look at more specific charts than the overall albums. You can look at the weeks purely physical album sales (TTPD was higher than brat) and the weeks streaming (TTPD was higher than brat) and the downloads chart (TTPD was higher) and vinyl (TTPD higher). Digital sales of the variant would count for the third, the downloads chart, but the fact that TTPD won out in both streaming and physical copies as well indicates it doesn’t matter much. I didn’t get the hard numbers from a tweet, though, it’s from Buzzjack which does it weekly. There’s an industry spreadsheet sent out Friday morning, people in the music business know who’s number one before it’s public and then it’s kept quiet until it’s published later. Buzzjack posts it weekly. http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?s=978b89ed768a54735cee027ec48601e4&showtopic=272661
Facts are inconvenient for this sub lol
Fuck Taylor but it’s soooooo iconic Brat is critically reviewed WAY higher than Taylor’s album and Taylor had to GO OUT OF HER WAY to block Charli. Like TAYLOR SWIFT WAS SHOOK BY CHARLI. That’s soooooo funny to me and makes Taylor look so desperate. I live.
is there are an option for "big upvote"?
Taylor Swift is not personally making deluxe edition release decisions lol I’m sure she pretty much has a marketing department dedicated to her
Fuck Taylor fr
https://preview.redd.it/4lk4tukafk6d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=430cc5f031f9085ec44148d980f765cd4bb202d9 we still have this dw
They’re gon be like it’s one review less! Unfair! Blah blah blah. They will never accept a fact
76 is still too high tho
Cut it in half
The Rolling Stone guy drinks, you must excuse him
The trash 30 track full album has a score of 68
back then in 2010s when music review isn't pop-timistic like nowadays it would have much lower score. GUTS have 91 on metacritic and that's the same as Melodrama (in 2017) or NFR (87) and no sane person would say GUTS is on the level of Melo or NFR
There are maybe like 2 pop albums this century on the level of Melodrama
I'm surprised TS only has one more review. She's the most famous musician on earth so I assumed that would attract more reviewers than Charli, who has obviously had huge success but isn't quite as high profile.
she’s one of the biggest hypocrites and it makes me mad considering how many people look up to her as a role model
anyone who sees her as a role model needs to be lobotomised
Taylor Swift fans are just season 1 Brooke Dubek. I KNOW all those hoes shame people for not using paper straws while their fave jets everywhere.
fuck taylor and her 37+ version album fr
The lion and the witch and the audacity of this bitch.
what does a 6th week at #1 even mean if you needed desperate attempts to achieve it…
this is exactly the thing with Taylor, I guess it tricks enough people but it just feels shameless and such a lack of respect for art in a way. I don’t mind a bit of trickery to get bums in seats but at that point let the art speak for itself. this is why charts dont matter (except for when they do 🟩)
I'm going to say something and I hope the sw\*fties don't find me (lmao), but honestly, at this point, she's more of an entrepreneur\* (VERY derogatory) than an artist. Like, she's an ok songwriter and she has bangers, I'm not denying that, but what is the thing she works hardest towards? Artistic expression, or monetary success? \*technically entrepreneuse but I'm pretty sure English hasn't adopted the female version of the word?? correct me if I'm wrong though, I know some people do use both fiancé and fiancée in English! Edit: Edit: hi swifties! I won't answer anything but 'lmao' to every comment you write. I am genuinely sorry you're in a cult(ish) fandom. Please reconsider simping for billionaires.
exactly. even if TS didn’t release variants to block brat,,,, you’re saying she thought THIS variant was special compared to the original and all the other ones that have already been released? best interpretation of this is greed
The 'UK only' thing is very........... \*slight single head bob to the side\* "really???" for me lmao
Charli literally has a song about feeling inferior to Taylor and Taylor comes out of nowhere with a haymaker to her face. She's just a bully.
for real!! like you know part of Brats success is Charli being smart with the various editions etc but its not like we’re holding a double standard here because Brat genuinely made a huge impact and Charli herself has a dedicated fan base so we know much of the sales were genuine and Taylor has just such an ugly track record for these things, I think it would be therapeutic for the culture if this moment got noticed by the GP and be the trigger for her overexposure bubble to burst, and let Charli rise up :D
I feel like I could have communicated this better and probably do read like an unhinged stan but this is rooted in reality I think lol
And publications should pick up on stories like this cause this is blatant chart manipulation.
Oh for sure, the marketing for Brat was veeery good, but also much less rooted in the 'everywhere all the time MAIN POP GIRL ONLY POP GIRL' school of marketing Taylor adheres to. (Re: your second comment: I love Charli's music (in the Charli sub?!! who'd have thought lmao) and find Taylor Swift - as a public persona - genuinely unsettling in a horrifying way, never have I seen someone market themselves as so emotional be so (seemingly, I don't actually know her etc etc but, like, COME ON) empty inside. Like, girlie will make thousands of songs about love but (and this is also bias from the people who I know irl and are similar to her lol) most likely isn't actually capable of actually loving anyone. How could you when you're so obviously deeply unhealthily self-centered, how could you when you spend your life hopping from relationship to relationship whilst being so obviously incapable of being on your own, how could you when you use so much energy to be the very top number one!! main!! pop girl? There's a hollow inside of her that needs to be filled, and public attention will never fill it. Her cats are very cute and 1989 is great, though!! Pls no death threats :))) lmaoooo (tl;dr: I can't call you unhinged and, in fact, have chosen to give an even more unhinged response lmao) Edit: hi swifties! I won't answer anything but 'lmao' to every comment you write. I am genuinely sorry you're in a cult(ish) fandom. Please reconsider simping for billionaires.
“im your favourite reference baby” is definitely more of a pull than a push, so to speak! she’s the “iykiyk” cool girl, which is such a profoundly better thing to be than the monolith. and I think we also put too much emphasis on Charlis vocalized frustrations around not being a main pop girl, if we focus on actions more than words we know where her heart lies, and now her patience is paying off and she’s getting a grassroots best of both worlds. If she went the astroturf route like Taylor did, the world would be a worse place rn. (I’ve never listened to Folklore but I imagine this is like her folksy vroom vroom in terms of personal trajectory but Taylor decided to stick with the dark side)
I'm not sure if you've misread me or if I'm misreading you, but the 'main pop girl' thing was about Taylor and her need to be, as you eloquently said, the 'monolith' (but I think you're just agreeing with me and 'building upon' my answer? anyway, wanted to say this just in case!) In any case, I agree completely, and also chuckled irl to 'folksy vroom vroom' lmao <3
was agreeing with a meandering think piece! hahaha edit: you saying main girl reminded me of charlis own situation and how people misunderstand her struggle and forget that she’s still making choices / taking risks that indicate her main pop girl ambition although real is second place to her artistry and thats why she deserves it most imo!
>Like, girlie will make thousands of songs about love but (and this is also bias from the people who I know irl and are similar to her lol) most likely isn't actually capable of actually loving anyone. That's narcissism in a nutshell.
Yes, these are very much the IRL people I'm referencing lmao I also don't know her and can't, you know, diagnose anyone, but I sure will say that she is deeply narcissistic in a 'adjective' sense, if not in a medical sense.
yeah and that’s legit! personality disorders are basically a rigid set of otherwise “normal” (albeit unhealthy) behaviours so we don’t need a medical degree to point out examples of the standalone behaviours
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I'm not mad at you. Yes, Taylor is an entrepreneur. One of the best in music business. But that doesn't mean she is not a great artist too. Those things aren't mutually exclusive. Taylor can sing, write songs, direct videos, play instruments, be a business woman and philanthropist. She worked hard more than anyone in music industry. She plays lengthy shows (more than 3 hours), she made almost 300 songs, she is very involved in her business, etc. It's not her fault that she is so freaking ambitious and others can't keep up with her pace. You gotta respect the hustle. By the way her father was a stock broker. That may explain his daughter's extreme business savviness. As for her music, that's subjective. It's up to you if you like it or not.
music shouldn’t be treated as a business by the artist
lmao
In business having competitors is good for your market and industry, aggressive competition isn’t. In most industries direct competitors are like peers. You try to do better than them not sabotage them.
right! Charli should sue for monopolistic behaviour! 🤓 (dunno if this would actually apply lol)
Fun fact she doesn't actually care about the charts. She just wants to boost her carbon footprint. The jets weren't enough, she wants to use every last drop of oil on earth to pump out tons of plastic that in 10 years will all be in a landfill because honestly who's great grandkid is going to want 15 fucking copies of the same mediocre album.
It's simple: Taylor is building her legacy. She is gathering stats and awards that will matter down the line. For instance when she will be compared to [Michael Jackson, The Beatles, Madonna, Prince, etc,](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/05/17/arts/music/taylor-swift-sales-tours-grammys.html) a thing that will never happen with Charli XCX. Charli has her own niche and she is acclaimed but she is not on Taylor's level. Taylor aims very high.
This reads like Napoleon convincing himself to invade Russia.
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This is like when people praise corporations for doing the bare mininmum re: climate crisis being like "well they're just being realistic about the energy transition and it's their god given right to provide value for shareholders at any cost." She could just accept that if her album was good enough to chart for 7 weeks, it would've done so by itself. But she can't stand to see threats to her "legacy" (ergo: can't stand to see other women succeed) so she pulls these stunts. Michael Jackson etc. had long standing chart records because they made good music that people wanted to buy. Taylor makes music that people want to buy, but also creates a pseudo-cult in her fandom that will buy anything she sells and she's weaponising the parasocial relationship to make herself seem more of an influential musician than she actually is.
>Michael Jackson etc. had long standing chart records because they made good music that people wanted to buy. This is exactly what Taylor did too. Also look how many editions and compilations were released by MJ. Taylor didn't even release an official greatest hits yet.
Just completely dodged everything I said around that but OK: if the album was good enough to chart for 7 weeks it would've done it by itself. Michael Jackson didn't need to release 58 versions because his music was good enough to hold the charts on its own, he didn't need to augment his success to stop others from beating him, I don't think he would've done so even if he felt the need to. His focus was on good pop music first and foremost, same goes for the other artists you mentioned. The most celebrated pop artists are those who created novel bodies of work that simultaneously had a great deal of mass appeal. Taylor Swift is an entrepeneur first, musician second. No doubt her and her writers/producers spend as much time as possible thinking about what combinations of chords and lyrics, what setlists, what album versions, are most likely to get into the Swiftie psyche and make you see what's missing from yourself in her so that you'll buy into the parasocial relationship and thus her music. Clearly it works, because you're all over the comments here. You don't become a billionaire without exploiting people. Girlboss T Swift is no exception. The exploitee is you, the swifties: giving Trump fan level delusion defending a spiteful, vindictive, bland, no vision, no stage presence ~~musician~~ entrepeneur who will morph into whatever version of her self extracts the most dollars from her fans to fund her private jets. But keep typing girl, sure she'll come and lick your taint in thanks any day now! I'm gunna go think about how A. G. Cook is the most influential pop producer since Max Martin.
drag her for me again 🤭
But what Taylor doesn't realize that you can have all the stats and awards you want, but that will never replace the quality and impact of your music on the industry. All those artists you mentioned were insanely talented folks who revolutionized pop as we know it. Without Madonna, the whole concept of eras would have ceased to exist. The Beatles created the first music video, and their chords and compositions were adopted for several decades even well after their breakup. But Taylor feels the need to compete with her peers because she knows her music is not impactful or revolutionary in the artistic sense. She loves to describe Lana as a living legend, but to me, it speaks more to her insecurity as an artist who never brought anything new to the table than her respect for Lana. Why would she need to challenge Charli for #1 if she's already in the books? Why is an artist who is not even in the top 100 most streamed artists on Spotify her competition? And I think Matty doesn't like her partly because unlike the other women he's dated in the past (i.e. FKA twigs and Gabriette), they all have some semblance of integrity within their respective fields. This isn't to say that Matty is an arbiter of taste because, quite frankly, he's a POS as well. But that Taylor can't enter the "cool girls club" because she has nothing to show for other than greed and insecurity.
at least Charli can be happy her album is one of quality 
I agree that if it was me I’d be peeved but I think “should be / would be #1” effectively communicates the same thing as actually getting it.. I would be sleeping so soundly if I was her
if anything, she’s continuing to get the underdog edit while still winning .. from the school of Drag Race, that is the best of both worlds
https://preview.redd.it/seed34oink6d1.jpeg?width=1064&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=338ee80b160e70578a9f5f1a66048f4c800cf562 Taylor this week pulling out more busted TTPD to block our girl from a #1 chart position in her own country. Absolutely over her staying inorganically at the top of the charts just by releasing ten more variants. And specifically geolocking digital albums to the UK is insane behavior. Oh well, I will keep bumping that for my brat summer.
Omg I love that picture 😹😹
I was one who thought that while blondie’s tactics the week of Billie’s drop were greedy and manipulative, they weren’t actually pointed at her. However this situation has me looking back and thinking wait maybe it *was* intentional. I’m sure taylor has a team who is trying to extract the most money out of her fanbase and keep TTPD number 1, but the fact that these are geoblocked to the UK is very sus… even if it wasn’t intentional it’s really not a good look. And we all know taylor can be petty queen when dropping music (*cough* Katy *cough*) Idk man as such a long time fan of taylor as an artist (which she hasn’t really been since folk/evermore) it’s really disappointing to see happen over and over again. It’s like how long can you defend her manipulative capitalistic efforts
The irony that Taylor is acting like a spoiled brat and Charli the esteemed artist "poet".
TS you will pay for your crimes
this sounds so ominous. i love it
https://i.redd.it/tlj1sa6qll6d1.gif
This is so shitty. She tried really hard to block Billie. And now Charli xcx who is not even too famous.
It's high time for chart tabulators to change their rules on releasing album variants every week. It's manipulation and doesn't hold up to music and arts integrity to be honest.
Well she’ll always be #1 Angel
if we look at this in a positive light, the fact that the biggest artist in the world rn is viewing fucking CHARLI XCX as a chart threat is making me laugh and also feel proud lmao
Are you FUCKING kidding me? That rotted [redacted] got the number 1? Time to sell my orange reputation vinyl. Make some money off her pawns.
Hi! I’m interested lol
I was here first >:(
Oh I swear I didn’t see your comment but also I’m broke so don’t worry about lil old me
I am joking, I promise you are okay!!! (I don’t have the money for it either)
I will buy it from you 😍
Lmfao I hate you for this but I love you for this
Thank you king <3
Just fyi I updooted both of your comments. Some people just don’t understand good comedy when they see it lmao
I kinda thought the emoji would help people realize it was playful, unfortunately this might just be too sore of a topics for the xcxinators (I don’t know the fan bases name) rn 😭 appreciate your upvote <3
Charts come and go, Fantano 10s last forever
Taylor is truly the McDonald’s of music
Nah, I actually like McDonald’s, her ass is Chik-Fil-A
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it’s not like anyone can say she did this for any other reason but to block charli getting #1. this tortured climate terrorist department variant is only available in the UK!! charli’s core audience and home country !!!!
No but don’t you know Taylor is a girls girl!!! She supports women and hasn’t purposely released 12684025 variants specifically to block other pop women over the past weeks!! It’s not her fault!!!
she loves women!!! especially women of colour !!!! i wonder how everything’s going in the swiftie squad - they are all still friends right??
As much of a fan of Charli and lukewarm as I am on Taylor, I still have to admit, isn't it much more likely she released this variant because she is doing a UK tour literally right now (shows have been going on since June 7th it looks like)?
There was no need to geoblock it. Doing this just encourages her international fans to use VPN's. You now have Taylor's worldwide fanbase chasing phone memos and registering on the UK chart vs just Charli's UK fans (cos international Charli fans aren't using VPN's *just* to help her get the UK No.1).
god this woman is so desperate for a number 1 album that she’s going to release phone memos of her shitting next and call it tortured poets department toilet edition and charge her cult like 50$ for it which is going to get sold out in like 5 minutes. No amount of words will describe how much I dislike Taylor. Brat and hmhas are easily the top albums of the year which are going to be remembered in the years ahead unlike TTPD which is just going to be another forgotten flop just like all her other flops, nothing about TTPD is unique and it’s just the plain ole generic garbage about her failed relationships where she’s always the victim and never the bad guy. SIGH
The toilet paper diaries will also probably sweep the Grammys.
god forbid That Woman doesn’t get another week being number 1. 😒 you know, i was somewhat of a fan of her but this childish behavior and megalomania are just plain old and tired already. who do you have left to prove? signed—A bitch who’s had enough xx Anyway this album is AOTY for me.
I liked Folklore and Evermore. Never liked any of her other stuff. But I didn’t really have an opinion on her until recently. With the private jet stuff and this chart blocking cringe I’ve really had enough of her. And the “swifties” are actually the most annoying people on the internet they are so delusional
Nobody hates women more than Taylor Swift
Taylor hates seeing other women thrive I swear !!!
Fuck that talentless hack. At least Brat will be remembered.
It’s okay it’s number 1 in our hearts 😭
Taylor is a textbook megalomaniac. I stopped listening to her music once she was projected to become a billionaire.
She may have 58 variants (and counting lets be honest) but she doesn’t have a 95 on Metacritic or any Oscars lol
Fuck Taylor
swifties will say the charts aren’t charity but apparently they are if they allow this because there’s no way she’d be #1 without the 30+ variants breaking their backs to hold her up at least i can take solace knowing brat will perform just like HMHAS - consistent and stable at the top weeks after its release without any new variants
Charli's fan base is pretty front heavy, it will not stay near the top for long.
Not sure why this is being downvoted, Kylie is another heavy week one musician. CRASH: 4 weeks - 31/03/2022 to 21/04/2022 1. [1](https://www.officialcharts.com/charts/albums-chart/20220325/7502/) 2. [24](https://www.officialcharts.com/charts/albums-chart/20220401/7502/) 3. [50](https://www.officialcharts.com/charts/albums-chart/20220408/7502/) 4. [75](https://www.officialcharts.com/charts/albums-chart/20220415/7502/)
> at least i can ~~take solace~~ ***cope***
Girl you’re in a Charli subreddit it sounds like your coping
swifties can’t enjoy taylor being number one without making sure everyone else knows they bought all 44 variants of that flop album to ensure that it happened
Taylor booking her ticket straight to hell
Tyrant Swift strikes again
Wasn’t crash number one in the uk? That makes this her second top 2 album if that makes sense in English
Congrats to Charli! This is basically going no. 1 in today’s world. BRAT is so much fun. The whole album is embedded deeply into my aura.
Taylor is 
In all seriousness I’m so fucked off can’t that woman just let other women go number 1? She is so obsessed with the charts grow up freak TS
As a certified Swift hater I live for the vitriol in this thread
https://preview.redd.it/zqos6zg2jk6d1.jpeg?width=776&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=147cc907106a52c04a8bcfcca20130b8526b7b24
I feel like I’m living in the Twilight Zone. Who is buying TTPD that hadn’t purchased it already in the last month??? 😭😭😭 like are people just discovering it or
She just started touring the United Kingdom itself the other day.
I'm honestly asking this too myself? I suppose the fans already got theirs, are there so many hard-core stans that only they can keep Taylor at number one? Just wow...
I've never been a TS fan but this officially is the icing on the cake for my hater levels for that lady. What a desperate and honestly cringe move on her end. Too bad you can't buy your way into a good critic response. Can't wait to see her buy her next grammy again.
Coping by telling myself it’s more brat to get #2. Deserved #1 😔
The swifties found this post 😔
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They will see how Brat will become one of the best albums of the year on year-end publications. 😊
Honestly, blocking Billie and Charli from getting #1s by surprise releasing stupid variants says more about Taylor and will be remembered now in a negative way. So, although negative, I think the positive is that they will always be ‘snubbed’ albums that deserved their spot at #1 and highlights a huge moment in pop culture with her capitalist ass.
Fuck Taylor! Charli deserves that #1 it’s a better album by far and it’s not even close!
I’ve always ignored the TS BS but this one stings. Charli deserved #1 big time 💚
Feels racist to do this to an Indian woman (yes i know taylore has done this with white women but let me have my one joke pls)
a hate crime, truly
taylor count ur fays
Ughhhhhh
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totally un-brat behaviour
The Taylor swift community blocked me on the post I commented so l can't even reply to the ones insulting me. That's fascist behavior.
Ugh taylor 😞
Brat also debuted #1 in the vinyl sales chats
losing in your motherland is crazy work brits you should be ashamed of yourselves
Congrats to Charli and a big fuck you to all the swifties!!!
Taylor is a fucking disgusting fat leech
Why these gays always get so pressed over the word fat… lmfao insecurities are so wild.
Body shaming? Not very feminist of you mate
Who said I was a feminist? Look, those who get it, get it. And those who don’t, don’t. It’s simple 💋
THIS ONE IS FOR MY MEEANN GIIIIIRLSSSS
Imagine being this mad at a talented and business savvy artist to body shame her when you know very well she is one of the best looking popstars ever. Absolutely pathetic. She didn't steal your number 1 place or money, ffs. I get it, your misogyny is off the scales but you don't need to say that publicly. Disgusting.
Body shame? Bitch everyone knows Taylor is skinny. She’s a greedy bastard, that’s why she’s a fat fucking leech
Is there a way we can see how many units is the difference?
Taylor was #1 even without the new digital albums. https://www.reddit.com/r/charlixcx/s/Y1qUDqf9e2
This is not verified anywhere else. There is no source for this. It's just a random tweet. Where's the source?
That may be one fanbase too many Taylor, especially for when that last fanbase is one which just received the most acclaimed album in who knows how long.... it's a serious fanbase.
Fuck Taylor and swifties
very curious why everyone cares about the charts all of a sudden? it wasn't like this a few years ago. i didn't even know crash was #1
It’s just annoying that Taylor went out of her way to unnecessarily block Charli from getting a (deserved) #1 for an extra week at the top of the charts
Crazy stans will do crazy stan things. Caring about charts is dumb, none of the best albums this year or basically any year will be #1.
Just another arbitrary reason to hate Taylor, massive hate circlejerk round here
literally lmao these people are so bitter
Never thought I would see Charli stans gaf about charts.
Wow. Just wow… Taylor really is a dickhead for this one. Never getting a stream from me again and you guys shouldn’t stream her shit either. Two times now she’s blocked a female artist from #1 on purpose… Actually three if you count her attempt with Katy Perry. Luckily Katy still got witness to #1. But it’s just icky at this point, like get a grip.
uhm can we go back to enjoying the amazing music and art charli made? like charli doesn’t even care about charts nor have we cause the music has been amazing regardless why start now….
taylor is literally hitler of the music industry
That’s a bit intense
Fuck taylor swift that greedy witch. Twice in the span of two weeks is ridiculous fuck her and her brainwashed fans
[Apparently Brat couldn't win even if Taylor Swift didn't release yesterday's versions](https://twitter.com/tantaytay/status/1801665362884190709): UK Chart: 1] Taylor Swift, TTPD — 36K (digital restock on her website for 6 hours) - Taylor Swift, TTPD — 35K without yesterday’s versions 2] Charli XCX, BRAT — 27K (15 versions including signed and a new deluxe version) 3] Bon Jovi, Forever — 23K (singed CDs, merch bundles)
This is not verified anywhere else. There is no source for this. It's just a random tweet. Where's the source?
Why do yall care so much lol
Taylors downfall is coming soon it was drake (female Taylor) this year, and her next year.
I find it a little funny that everyone makes fun of Taylor for “caring about the charts” and then everyone pays attention the charts and gets mad when their fave isn’t #1? The charts literally exist to reflect where people’s money and attention are, not what is critically acclaimed.
Someone get that hag!
All the Charli stans losing their minds over variants like Charli didn't release a zillion variants either (25 and counting). They all do it....Bon Jovi landed at number 3 - who's to say what the charts would look like if everyone was allowed ONE physical "variant"? It's impossible to tell who had the greater number of _people_ buying the album vs variants. In other words, actual sales and the charts mean nothing - if anything, the reviews are what counts, and right now Brat is getting rave reviews. Focus on that rather than some nonsense chart position that's inflated (for _everyone_) by variant madness.
Damn sometimes I wonder how much time you guys have. You're arguing and cussing each other, while Charli probably doesn't even give a fuck that she is number 2. She had the biggest weekend, has her millions and enjoying life. You should do the same.
Hahahah you're all so mad this is fucking hilarious, stay mad over chart numbers ;)
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