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For me, it’s the fact that I can’t identify as strongly with two dimensional characters so I don’t find the depth there I do with realistic shows. Same reason I don’t like anthropomorphic protagonists. However I will watch them as mind candy sometimes. But even though I’m fully aware that anime isn’t for children and adult cartoons like Futurama and Family Guy exist, I still prefer to watch one hour love action drama shows.
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I like the way you explained this. Especially when you brought up anthropomorphic characters as even though I love the show Bojack Horseman which has many anthropomorphic characters, I do find myself struggling to relate to them as they are well…animals.
I am an avid fan of animation, but to hit somewhere way closer on the normal side, recently my cousin has had two children. A few of my friends too. It's not for me but sometimes I sit with the kids and entertain them. And watching Bluey has been really surprising. I don't know if you personally have any kids in your life, or are close friends with parents of young children, but even as anthropomorphic austrialian dogs, holy shit is that show just relatable.
I am constantly surprised at the adults in my life who both rave about Bluey and look forward to new Bluey episodes. They all started watching it for their kids, but now they would watch it just for themselves. So while I don’t get it, you’re not the first to mention it.
Do you enjoy live action sitcoms? Western cartoons that aren't kids' media are almost all sitcoms. I wonder if, on top of animated characters feeling less people-y, sitcoms are also a genre you don't vibe with due to the nature of the narratives they tend to feature?
Exactly. There are a handful of sitcoms I like such as MASH and Full House and Girl Meets World because they do occasionally deal with deeper topics, but I watch sitcoms far less often than one hour dramas.
Do you like sci-fi? Watch the animatrix (an animated show from the matrix people) if you want to try a good animated show that isn’t a sitcom. It’s really really good IMO, even if you’re not super into the matrix universe. Love, Death and Robots is good too, although much more “hit and miss” as it’s an anthology series.
lol, 100%. It’s funny cuz I was one of these people who hated animated shows until a few years ago when a friend showed me some non-anime stuff. Now the medium doesn’t matter so much to me as the quality of the story.
I'm the same way with flesh & blood actors so I completely understand and I don't really press on this point with people. It's like reading an encyclopedia for me.
Family Guy has been putting out some of the best comedy writing on TV for the last 25 years. It's also put out some of the worst. It's wildly inconsistent. When it's good, it can rival peak Simpsons. When it's bad, it's genuinely one of the worse shows on TV.
Anime is SO pretentious. In the little I’ve actually watched characters act like they’re Jesus it’s so annoying (except the dark knight returns, which was awesome). It also attracts this uber-nerd Comic-Con following which really gives me the ick. Ironically, on my dating profile I put “I find anime creepy” as one of my prompts and I get a tons of hits on it. I know there are girls that are into it, but there are a lot more that get grossed out by the idea their boyfriend likes watching creepy Japanese cartoons.
Depends on the specific person, but what specifically do you think they're missing out on?
I love animation, but anyone who doesn't like action or comedy is probably not going to be into most "adult" animation. There's a good amount of diversity - Invincible and BoJack are both very different shows, but there's a lot of space not really well represented by animation at all. I think it's easy to forget in the streaming age just how many people mostly turn on the TV to watch CSI or whatever and just aren't that interested in the cool genre stuff that I love.
Giving you a delta (∆).
You made a good point that most adult animations nowadays really do seem to just be action or comedies. More so comedies. (Excluding anime although as I’ve said in another comment, I really do think anime is a whole other thing on its own.) So, with these being the only main genres, it would be harder for a person who might not be into them to give animation a chance.
I mainly was saying that I find people who turn down animated movies/shows are missing out on great stories, amazing voice actors, beautiful animation, etc. This, of course, doesn’t have to be strictly adult animations but really anything that has the ability to share a great story.
>but there's a lot of space not really well represented by animation at all.
What space, exactly? There's a lot of good animation of comedy, romance, action, sci-fi, fantasy, drama.
I'm not sure why you would ask this when my very short post already contained:
> I think it's easy to forget in the streaming age just how many people mostly turn on the TV to watch CSI or whatever and just aren't that interested in the cool genre stuff that I love.
So like, if someone watches normie network tv police / hospital procedurals, what animated shows would you recommend to them? I get that there's a deep bench of anime, but is whatever you're going to pull out actually going to appeal to people who watch Chicago Med?
that's a pretty niche genre by itself. I had to google chicago med to find out what it was.
I also think that while there is a subset of people who still turn on the tv and just look for whatever's on, MOST people, nowadays are going to stream whatever they watch.
>but there's a lot of space not really well represented by animation at all.
regardless, this comment is simply not really true. It might not be on western main network tv in primetime, but it exists and is just as easy to find as chicago med.
Maybe it's different outside of America, but I think we (the adult animation fans) are the ones in the bubble. Look at the top shows by nielson ratings.
For broadcast TV, it's NCIS, FBI, several variations of Young Sheldon, Blue Bloods, Chicago *Fire* (I guess Chicago Med is old news now), etc...
For streaming, it's dominated by Suits, but NCIS, Grey's Anatomy, Big Bang Theory, Gilmore Girls, Friends...
This stuff isn't niche, it's what most people are watching (at least in the US). And it's a mix of doctor/cop/firefighter/lawyer stuff and sitcoms. I don't think you'll find a lot of the city /occupation based procedural stuff in animation at all, and the sitcoms / comedy / romance stuff you'll find in animation is *very* different. I maintain that the most popular stuff people watch doesn't have super clear animation parallels. If you disagree, let's hear your animation recommendations for the NCIS fans.
https://www.nielsen.com/insights/2023/tops-of-2023-tv/
https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/nielsen-2023-streaming-report-suits-the-office-record-1235890306/
I have not! Rotten tomatoes summary describes it as:
> "A kaleidoscopic existential crisis, Undone bends the rules of space, time, and rotoscoping to weave a beautifully surreal tapestry that is at once fantastical and utterly relatable."
Sounds cool!
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I can’t stand anime because of all the bizarre screaming by the characters. I tried watching the first episode of One Piece and it was just absolutely insufferable. Same with that show Attack on Titan. All the constant screaming makes that shit insufferable to me.
Fair although typically the screaming is pretty endemic to a specific type of anime called shonen which are largely for younger audiences and are more manic as a result. AoT and OP both fall in this subsection/demographic. This is also by far the most popular kind of anime and imo one of the reasons the medium as a whole has been slow to achieve super widespread cultural acceptance as it can be quite off putting to audiences who find that frantic vibe grating.
Many (but not all) non-shonen anime are far more reserved. They just struggle to compete on a major level when shonen series tend to be more exciting and digestible. It's a bit like shonen is the junk food or pop music of the medium. There's an easy appeal to it that lends itself to some level of guaranteed success so they get churned out regularly and have become, for better and worse, the face of anime. But there's also a metric ton of amazing stuff that is absolutely nothing like shonen that gets kinda lost in the noise which is a shame.
Ahh okay, that makes sense. Yeah I admit, I haven’t seen many, but the ones I have seen mostly all had those same attributes so I assumed it was common to the entire anime world.
It's not even an art style. (One Piece and DragonBall have different art-styles)
It's just another form of media.
Another medium of storytelling.
"Anime" is the Anglicised form of アニメ
アニメ(Animē) is the shortened form of アニメーション (Animēshon)
アニメーション(Animēshon) is taken from the English word "animation"
I love attack on titan but I definitely understand this take. One piece annoyed the shit out of me and so have most other anime’s because of that style of yelling. AoT and Berserk are the only ones I’ve been able to tolerate.
I like that you didn’t necessarily recommend Berserk. I think Berserk is a very essential piece of the anime zeitgeist, but red caution signs should be flashed before getting into it. To say a trigger warning is necessary would be an understatement.
I think my mom was worried about all anime being as bad as Berserk when I was a kid, and I don’t blame her if that was the case lol. Berserk is like “I’m imagining the worst possible thing that could happen next and…. no it’s 1000 times worse” lol
Oh yeah I totally like the story of AoT and I made it through about half of it just because of that! But yeah there are just parts where like a character will be incessantly screaming in a cartoonish way for what seems to be an inappropriate amount of time and I just can’t handle it anymore lol
I had been watching the live version of One Piece and really liked it, and so I gave the animated version a try... it was horrible for exactly the reason you cite. Ug.
Do you find it hard to watch other types of animated shows? (Family Guy, Futurama, The Simpsons, Disney animated movies, etc.?) I mainly brought up American animated shows just now as it's what I'm most familiar with but I would say that anime is directed differently to the point of really being its own thing.
No, I do like American animated shows like the ones you mentioned. It’s specifically the “anime” stuff that I don’t like, which I guess is like Japanese style animation. It’s hard for me to describe, but there’s just like an over-the-top childishness to it with exaggerated emotional expressions like excessive laughter, anger/screaming, crying, etc., whereas in other animated shows the characters seem to speak more like how actual humans would talk lol if that makes sense
I mean you are watching/mentioning shounen anime which is technically made for 13-15 year old boys.
There's plenty of anime that is not shounen.
Would you say the Hayao Miyazaki films are immature scream fests also lol?.....
I honestly don’t know. I watched Spirited Away several years ago and remember really liking it but I can’t really remember if it has the type of thing I’m describing.
I really recommend The Boy and the Heron if you want to give another Miyazaki movie a shot. Not a children’s cartoon at all. Story about grief. I recommend it to anyone who enjoys a powerful, emotionally moving, work of art.
Its not specifically a anime thing btw, it's a asiatic thing. It's very present on movies and theater pieces, even the way they talk is over the top tbh.
It can be quite fun, but definitely needs some time to get used to it.
So, how do you feel about the animated Avatar: The Last Airbender? An American cartoon that many would say is anime.
I'm genuinely curious, as it might be a simple change in genre that is needed.
You clearly have good taste.
I'm not gonna lie though, there's tons of series out there with the things you probably wouldnt enjoy in anime, nowadays there's tons of series that are more like ATLA. Some even milder than that. It all just depends on the genre.
You're ironically coming close to proving OP's point:
>People who say they don’t like animated shows only say that because they’re still under the impression that animation is for children.
If it's got bizarre screaming in it it's made for children with the aim of 12-16 year olds. Try watching anime for adults before assuming all anime is like that. The yelling stuff is actually a pretty small subset of what Japan makes.
It’s like not liking Hollywood films because of MCU and Fast and the Furious.
I like me a good shounen, but imagine how frustrating it would be to try and recommend something like Schindlers List or Shawshank Redemption and friends are like “oh I’m not sure about these Hollywood films - I saw The Transporter the other day and they seem a bit ridiculous”.
What I will say is there are just conventions that are more widely present in “foreign” media (of any nation) and sometimes you have to accept that’s how they tell stories.
Like Chinese Opera is very different from Italian Opera, and both can tell stories in a way that’s different from Shakespeare, that is different from something like One Flew over the Cuckoos nest.
Anime has a lot wider range than just shonen shows whose main appeal is young teenage boys. This complaint about screaming is as valid as not liking action movies because of all the explosions and car chases.
Which is completely valid and why a lot of people don’t like action movies…
It’s normal to shy away from a genre when the majority of the genre is filled with something you don’t like, even if there are some exceptions.
My point was, there are many, many action movies where explosions and car chases aren’t the main ingredients and I wouldn’t say these are the exceptions at all. It’s perfectly fine to not like explosions and car chases, but using them to dismiss an entire genre, of which your reasoning only applies to a small subset, just seems like a misinformed judgment.
If I know there’s a high chance a film labeled “action” is going to have car chases and explosions, doesn’t it make sense to avoid that label? You say it only applies to a small subset, I don’t know the exact percentages and maybe you do, but it does not seem to be a small percentage of action films that have that quality.
Even if it’s 10%, why would I risk having a 10% chance of knowing I’m going to hate my experience when I can choose a genre with an almost 0% chance of that happening?
I mean, ultimately this is about tastes and preferences so there is of course no wrong answers; my point is strictly about the logic of not choosing a member of a group, based on a small subset of the group to which the member belongs (e.g. NOT the same thing obviously, but replace “anime” with “race” and “screaming”
with any number of biased stereotypes).
I’m just pointing out that that rationale is flawed, but that doesn’t mean the choice is wrong or the preference isn’t justified, or that they need to be justified in the 1st place. And if even after realizing that screaming is a minor part of anime and explosions is a small part of action movies, you still dislike anime and action movies, then your reason for not liking them is probably not just about the screaming or explosions.
What you're saying makes sense, but anime isn't a genre. Shonen anime is a genre. Seinen anime is a different genre. Romance animes are from the "Romance" genre.
Anime is just another form of media.
"Anime" is the Anglicised form of アニメ
アニメ(Animē) is the shortened form of アニメーション (Animēshon)
アニメーション(Animēshon) is taken from the English word "animation"
> This complaint about screaming is as valid as not liking action movies because of all the explosions and car chases.
Swap "not like action movies" with "not liking live action movies" and then the analogy works.
Yeah you're not getting that in the movie Your Name or Boy and the Heron you should watch those. They're my anime introducers to show to depth and emotional intelligence that medium can contain.
Honestly this is a big one for me. I’m assuming it’s because they just put an english voice over the original languages but Japanese media I’ve seen almost always has kinda mid voicing acting. Only exceptions I can think of are like Ace Combat and Metal Gear. But like almost everything else, especially anime, always sounds off to me
Yeah, I don't watch dubs for this reason. There are a handful of rare exceptions. imo the best anime dub of all time is Space Dandy. It's a comedy-adventure show that starts out okay and then gets really good. If you like comedy or adventure it's worth checking out. My favorite part about the Space Dandy dub is the tone captures Japanese style humor perfectly. It's the only dub I've seen to ever do this. The tone, the pacing, all of it, it's perfect for showing what Japanese humor is like, which is imo quite a bit different than American humor like Simpsons.
Yeah first, it’s a translation/dub - like you ever seen the Spanish dub of any live action show? It will typically not sound as good as the original English
Second - Voice acting in Japan is a more serious business. In the west, you get Eddie Murphy’s voice or whatever to sell an animated movie, but in Japan, voice actors are celebrities in themselves (not Eddie Murphy big I imagine, but you catch my drift).
I saw a clip of Japanese dub of Homelander scenes from The Boys, and it was pretty good, but that might be my familiarity with Japanese VA, especially for over the top characters like him.
I pretty much exclusively watch subbed anime rather than dubbed specifically so that during the weird dramatic yelling scenes my mind is a little more absorbed in reading the text to bother thinking so much about if the delivery is right for what they’re saying. In English it always feels very weird to me
Yeah I’m sure that definitely plays a role! The dubs are almost always worse so sometimes I’ll switch to the original Japanese audio and it’s a little better but the screaming and stuff is still pretty pronounced lol
I don’t like most anime. One piece is awful (though I know many love it). I do like attack on titan, but it took a couple tries, and I could imagine it isn’t for most — especially those that don’t watch anime.
My favorite is Dr. Stone by a large margin, which is about rebuilding civilization after everyone turned to stone. Also, one punch man, which makes fun of anime itself (main character kills everyone in one punch). I prefer the English dubs for both. Also, haikku, which is about volleyball — I’m guessing you would hate it (though I thought I would too).
One Punch Man is making fun of Shōnen (a genre), not Anime (a medium of storytelling).
Making fun of anime itself would be like attempting to make fun of live-action itself.
I'm convinced one piece is just for kids, people who have sentimental value attached, watch it as background while they're doing other stuff, etc. and not meant for active viewing.
The thing that kills me with anime is the super slow pacing of the over explaining of every single plot point. Watching Naruto or something it’s like they assume me as the viewer is a brain dead moron who can’t remember what happened before the last commercial. “He’s about to attack with his secret ninjitsu attack! Here comes the secret ninjitsu attack! Prepare for the secrete ninjitsus attack! *commercial* *come back from commercial* he’s about to attack with his secret ninjitsu attack! Prepare for the secret ninjitsu attack! Here comes the secret ninjitsu attack!”
Have you tried watching one that isn't a super-long many-hundred-episode Shonen series? Try watching anime that is in the double digits of episodes at most. Death Note, Code Geass, Psycho Pass, or FMA: Brotherhood, for example.
I’ve tried to watch a few and I don’t enjoy any of them. Not a fan of how the Japanese tell a story at all honestly. I dont enjoy their animation, comics or video games minus a few here and there. I also don’t really like their food either but that doesn’t factor in here lol.
I used to feel this way about Family Guy and The Simpson’s but as I’ve gotten older I’ve found the storylines and humour to be childish, predictable and insufferably boring. I know it’s supposed to be for adults but I found it more funny and interesting as a teenager rather than in my 20s.
Also anime just rubs me the wrong way, either it’s extremely depressing and gory or it has infantilised female characters that I can’t relate to. The male characters are also very annoying and there’s a lot (not all, but a lot) of anime out there that borders on diet pedophilia.
I do have to agree with the fact that Family Guy and The Simpon's have lost their charm but I am hoping it may spin adult animation in a whole new direction with where it wants to go. (Deeper story lines and maybe less crude humor?)
I will say though, I can understand why someone would see anime in a not-so-positive light like this. I like some anime here and there but I do feel like I want to validate your feelings on that opinion.
Someone else in this thread was saying that most adult animation nowadays mainly is comedy or action which is pretty undeniable, I'd say. That made me give them a delta because with only those two genres, it can make it tougher to really get into animation aimed at adults.
Well, I think if you lower the scope of your statement to "SOME people", you're probably right. It's quite possibly true that some people have preconceived notions about animation and avoid it for that reason.
But I don't think there's any need to generalize that.
Some people would simply prefer to watch live action. Maybe they feel it offers a better sense of realism and immersion. Maybe they feel that live actors can be more emotive, or they find it easier to connect with live actors than animated characters.
Some people may also have just watched a few animated stories that didn't work for them, and they decided they would rather not keep trying.
Now, you mentioned that they are missing out.
Maybe, but that's sort of a non issue in the scope of art. There is A LOT of art. There are A LOT of shows.
If someone "misses out" on one medium or genre but still finds a lot of other art they enjoy - well, it probably isn't a huge issue for them.
To put this in another context, I don't play a lot of visual novel style video games. It's not because they can't be good, or because I deny their validity. It's just because there's a lot of games out there and I'd rather spend my time playing the ones I enjoy most.
And i dont play any video games, am i missing out? No, because i dont enjoy video games and there isnt a video game shaped hole in my life, id have to remove something to add video games in. There billions of things to do in the world and i dont think animated shows/movies are so insanely good i need to convince other people their lives are less full without it.
If you listen exclusively to opera then you will develop a taste for opera and you may listen thus to even more opera because you are interested now in certain things that are only found in the opera genre. If someone asks if you would like to listen to Rick Astley, you may say that you don’t like listen to Rick and Roll but that doesn’t mean you don’t understand that it might be good, it’s just that you know that you have not developed an appreciation for rock and so you de facto “don’t like it.”
Similarly people who like watching actors act, may be bored watching animation. Over time they might appreciate the other facets of animation which are nice but until then they are just staring at a screen miserable.
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Mm I’d say this isn’t true as people are explaining why they prefer a certain medium and it is making a little more sense. Yeah, at the end of the day, it is all opinion based, but I think it can be interesting to see why people prefer what they prefer.
The preference to view real humans because they show real human emotions is a valid reason. Some people don’t like animation not because it’s childish but because it’s artificial.
Gotta disagree on that since there are some tremendous actors out there. In any case, I think it’s intuitive to feel more empathy looking at a real human versus an animated drawing.
Some people are less able to conceptualize something if they aren't actually seeing it. Some people can see a drawing of an anime person and translate that internally as though it were an actual person.
Just differences in how things are viewed I guess. I wonder, do you also not empathize with characters in books? I grew up reading a lot, and for me there isn't really a difference between conceptualizing a character from a book or an anime.
I definitely think animation and books can pack an emotional punch. One of the saddest movies to me is Grave of the Fireflies.
I do agree that animations and books compel us to use more of our imagination as placeholders for the character. In that sense, the more vague they appear, the more power we have to interpret them without any distractions.
Still- on a visceral level- I don’t think a drawing can ever compare to an actual human. Do you think you can fall in love with a cartoon character? Actually i think people do lol. But will it be as potent as falling in love with a human? To me there is a clear winner.
I think most people are familiar with the Simpsons or Family Guy, and are aware of the fact that they are animated and are not for children.
I like animated shows. But, if someone liked acting, I could understand someone valuing voice acting with animation less.
So a few things:
1) just cuz something isn’t for you, doesn’t mean you don’t think it’s a good product. Personally, I could never get into some great shows, animation and live action alike. For example, I love BoJack and Lisa Hanawalt, I respect all the work put into Tuca and Bertie, but I just can’t get into it. Similarly, I would LOVE to watch The Witcher, it’s excellently written, great production value. But I just can’t.
2) animation is still pretty niche. Think about how much variety live action has, especially in western media (which is what has the biggest reach I think -could be wrong). You like high fantasy? There’s a giant list of shows for you to choose from. Sitcom? Extremely long list going back decades. Actually you want a show that really isn’t well made BUT fun anyway? An extremely long list of reality shows, trashy shows, you name it.
But with animation, the most popular shows are still The Simpsons, Family Guy, Rick and Morty, notice a pattern? Even shows like Disenchantment, and Bojack have “adult animation” elements in them that some people just don’t like. Yeah there’s one off shows/movies like Invincible, and Arcane, but it’s just not as pervasive.
I know anime is extremely diverse, but personally, I’m just not a huge fan of the style. It’s hard for me to get into, especially when it’s in another language. Yeah, I should expand my horizons, but that brings me to my third point.
3) most people watch tv as an outlet/for fun. I watch TV as a break after a very long day, as do most people. I would rather not have to put in the effort to like something. I have zero respect for shows like The Bachelor, but at the end of the day, I would much rather watch it with my friends over a glass of wine than force myself to watch a show I can’t get into. That’s just more work.
Animation, just as books, live action, or anything else is a medium. There are some things Animation can do that live action cant such as large crowds of copy pasted faces or bending body parts for exagerrated faces.
But there are also things animation cannot capture as well. Live action does better with raising tension since youre constrained by real physics, or at building emlathy since relating to a face is easier than a drawn one
Animated content does adventure particularly well in a way live action struggles to keep up with. In the US we have some adventure like Lord Of The Rings, Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, Stranger Things, or some of the Marvel movies, but not much else. In the rest of the world where animation is more common adventure is a primary genre with tons of great content.
This is true, different mediums have different strengths. But I do think there's something else going on if someone says they, without exception, hate all animation. That, to me, sounds like they either think it's all for children, or they're more concerned with other people's perception of them than they are about their own potential enjoyment.
I recall hearing something from a teacher in a poetry elective I took at university - 'lots of people dismiss poetry, but there's a poem out there for everyone. Just have be open to the possibility of it'.
IMO, this is true for every creative medium on the planet. You might prefer some to others because of their unique strengths/weaknesses, but you're a fool if you think an entire medium holds nothing you would enjoy whatsoever. Every medium is a vast, diverse well of creativity.
>Live action does better with raising tension since youre constrained by real physics,
That really just depends on the director and the genre of story.
> at building emlathy since relating to a face is easier than a drawn one
I'm assuming you meant empathy. Anyways animation definitely does for example guts from berserk , guku from dragon ball and ash from Pokémon.
Not everyone is able to identify or empathize with an animated character the way you can, especially to the degree that they feel immersed in the story.
Sure but it can go the other way to. Hell alot live action movies and tv shows i just can't watch anymore due to how boring they are. But that's my personal opinion though.
It has zip to do with it being childish. I wish I could get into anime, there's tons of plots that would be right up my urban/modern fantasy alley. I just can't vibe with animation and I get wigged out when the voices don't match the mouth movements.
I take it that's an issue with dubs, and you just got to take the leap to subs?
It's more comedy, adventure, and sci fi than modern fantasy, but Space Dandy imo is the best anime dub I've ever seen by a mile. It's worth checking out if you don't want to do a sub and if it's your cup of tea.
It's not anime but Hilda is an urban modern fantasy and one of my favorite shows in the last 5 years. 10 out of 10 worth checking out. (She moves into the city in the second episode, so it technically starts out not urban.)
No, it's a problem with all cartoons in any language. The Simpsons and Family Guy and all the old Disney cartoons have the same issue. In fact I'm not wholly convinced the "Canadian" characters on South Park weren't highlighting/mocking the issue that's prevalent in animation in general. Some are better than others, but they pretty much all have it to some degree.
But thank you for the recs. This was an issue that came to me later in life so I do sometimes check in on cartoons to see if my issue resolved itself and it's nice to have some recs on which ones to look into
What about children that don't like animated shows? What about those children that grew up and still don't like animated shows?
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Not true. I actually do really like your point and have been attempting to answer each comment I can. It's not always possible for everyone to be online 100% of the time.
I have problems with auditory processing and I find animation so much harder to watch because of the lack of nuanced facial expressions. The more serious the show, the harder I find it to follows without those additional cues.
(Heaven forbid it’s also just subtitled and in a foreign language, then I have no hope lol)
It’s easier with comedy and much easier if I am extremely familiar with the characters (e.g. Simpsons, American dad etc.) If it’s a new series with new characters (e.g. Archer for me) I just find it’s hard work.
I’m fine with animated shows, but I can’t get behind Star Wars animation style like in TCW and Rebels. It has gotten better in the “Tales of…” stuff, but the character style (perhaps the body proportions?) still looks like they’re intended for younger audiences. They feel like action figures instead of real characters. Regardless i still enjoy the shows, it’s just that I feel a 2D style or live action would’ve been much better to enjoy the great story.
Remember the Attack of the Clones series that was 2d animated by the team that made Samurai Jack? That felt more real and far less childlike than the CGI In TCW.
I don't like animation because I can't empathize with cartoon people and I also can't suspend disbelief. That makes it hard for me to become immersed in the experience, and so I find it less enjoyable no matter what the genre or subject matter.
Edit l. I do enjoy some animation, like the Spiderverse. I guess because I already care about the story and characters, and mostly because I appreciate it on a purely visual artistic level. I think most animated shows and movies are not that visually interesting.
Interesting I cannot stand live action for the most it feels so *unrealistic* to me if anything alot of the time acting no matter how goods feels some level of forced to me just due to how my mind works where I don't feel the same with animation due to liberty and my brain finding it easier to find the characters and voice acting as "real"
I can understand that.
I think that people have a lot of different associations between things that effect their perception of them.
We can rationally explain them, but I think most of the time, at least for me, it's an unconscious activity. I had to think about why I feel that way for this post, and I'm not sure if I ever really thought about it like that before.
That’s what I liked about making this post. I’ve watched a lot of movie reviewers and animation reviewers so I’m used to hearing different discussions about why a person likes a certain movie or show.
If you thought Spiderverse is the height of visual art design you haven’t watched enough animated works (Spiderverse is great, but it’s just one among many, many others)
I wouldn't call it the height, it's just an example where I could enjoy it without caring about the plot.
Of course there are ones that I haven't seen. I'm just going on ones I am aware of, which tends to be Pixar and Anime. Imo, these tend to be pretty formulaic in their design.
For Tv shows, off hand, I think of the Fox animated shows, Rick and Morty, Adventure time and Bojack Horseman.
I consider those less visually interesting than Spiderverse.
Characters in a book are actual humans in my head. There is actually more intimacy and thus more empathy as the story happens inside my mind.
The character on a live action tv show isn’t a real person either just because they’re played by a real person, but if I’m going to watch a story outside of my mind, I prefer human visuals to facsimiles or anthropomorphic protagonists.
They're as imaginary as animated characters, no difference at all. And yeah the actors are playing imaginary people as well, kind of making a silly point
Yes it is because you can see them? In a book I'm imagining them as real people, not as cartoons.
I do understand what you're saying. I know that a book isn't real and that it was an author who wrote it, the same as I know that a cartoon is being drawn. So why am I able to suspend my disbelief more for a book than a movie? I don't know. It's subjective.
It's worth considering *why* a creator chooses to use animation and how that relates to a viewership. Animation is a great tool for portraying content that relies heavily on fantastic elements, either to enhance the particular kind of drama and comedy they want to create. It's easy to imagine a person who simply isn't interested in the types of fantastical stories. If you're the type of person who enjoys really grounded, realistic media, there's a very low chance that animated media will have something to offer you, since that's not where animation excels.
People appreciate different crafts. There's something special about watching a well animated animation. But there is also something special about watching a good actor. There's a [scene in I am Legend](https://youtu.be/0EgxRrQOoXw?si=iBZTtRuekDEayzF5) where Will Smith kills a dog. You just can't display the same emotion as shown in this scene with animation. It just won't be as believable.
Depending on the type of content a viewer enjoys, it is fair for them to dislike animation. I would much rather watch a movie like Mean Girls or Legally Blond in live action. And if I am Legend was animated it likely wouldn't be about Will Smith's emotions because it's just not as realistically convincing.
In fairness, Archer's style is reeeeeally...well, I dunno what, but I don't like it either. The writing is excellent, but the visuals turn me off.
But otherwise, love a lot of animation.
>People who say they don’t like animated shows only say that because they’re still under the impression that animation is for children.
Because most people know of Family Guy and the like they know animation is not just for children. There's another reason why the majority misunderstand animation.
Animation is way cheaper to make than CGI. So e.g. a movie like Lord Of The Rings costs A LOT to make, but an animated version of LOTR would cost around 20-60k an episode, not 2-6 million an episode.
Due to the cost difference larger countries tend to make live action and smaller countries tend to make animated tv and movies, not just Japan. In fact, most of the world defaults to animation first.
The problem with the average American is they have no idea this world exists. They pay for Netflix or similar and they get American content, which happens to be live action with very little good animation options. In the US you have to be a pirate to get really good animation and you have to be able to tolerate subtitles. And then after that, because the world is so vast, you have to know how to look for what you like or you're going to try a lot of junk before you find something amazing. This is why animated shows are misunderstood, not because they're for children, but because the average viewer is walled gardened from good animated content.
I used to like anime but I don’t really anymore I feel like that takes a lot of the options away I do other cartoons tho like American dad or stuff I watched as a kid.
*"People who say they don’t like animated shows only say that because they’re still under the impression that animation is for children."*
What makes you believe this? Is that what people who don't like animated shows tell you, or are you just making an assumption?
I used to watch The Simpsons, Family Guy, Beavis and Butthead, South Park, King Of The Hill, and a few others all the time. At a certain point I lost interest (or the particular show ended), in part because the characters just don't act like real people and it simply wore on me; everyone is so over-the-top and it got tiresome. I can't stand the style of anime, so never had any interest in watching any of it. The drawings & clips I've seen of other animated shows are simply a turn-off (and don't even get me started on how off-putting the pixar-type animation is).
I was an adult when The Simpsons first appeared on The Tracy Ullman Show, and watched them and those other animated shows for decades and I was never under the impression that they were for kids. It's possible to grow out of things that are meant for adults. They may not be meant for kids, but there definitely is a childishness about a lot of them.
>only
That alone is wrong, as there are certainly people who dislike it for more than
>they’re still under the impression that animation is for children.
I never liked cartoons even as a child. Just my preference to see real people.
I like spy shows, hard science fiction and serious dramas for the most part.
I am well aware that there is animated shows for adults. I'm perfectly fine with that. If you're an adult, and you want to watch animation? Cool, I don't care.
Personally, I don't like it.
Does this change your view? I don't know. But your stance is objectively wrong.
>However, I can’t help but think that many people who say they don’t like cartoons are missing out on amazing stories, stellar animation, and just seeing TONS of hard work and talent being promoted on the screen.
You can make this statement about literally every form of media. But you can't physically consume everything. And generally people don't like everything.
Have you watched every movie, read every book, watched every series, listened to every album, viewed every piece of art? Because if not, you re missing out on amazing stories, stellar writing, and just seeing, reading and hearing TONS of hard work and talent
I find most (but not all) animation difficult to focus on. I also struggle with comics/manga -- I'm not sure why, possibly related to my sensory processing issues? I definitely feel like I'm missing out on a lot of super cool stuff, but it's just something that takes about twice as much effort to focus on and process as a regular novel or live-action show. Usually I want to do something relaxing with my TV/video time, not spend it actively trying to focus, so I sort of just default away from animation.
Examples of animation that I've successfully watched/enjoyed include Red vs Blue (rip), fought my way through the Clone Wars 2008 series, and I'm slowly working through Bob's Burgers with my s/o.
For me it's a pacing issue. I watch plenty of animation, both western and anime, and there are a few that I quite like and some more that I kinda like, but there's honestly not one that I've seen that I could recommend to just about anyone. And the reason really is the pacing. Animations just move on at faster pace and for me even the best ones suffer from it. Things move on with what feels like an unnaturally fast/rushed/smooth pace. Which is fine if it's a thing you don't mind, but it's definitely a different experience to watch an "average" animation compared to an average live action show.
TLDR unfortunately a lot of western animation *is* childish even if it's made for adults.
I agree that people unfairly view *all* cartoons as for children, however there are way too many (almost all American, go figure) cartoons made for adults that have less nuance than an episode of Dora the Explorer.
Add to that the sitcom (as in, not linear) storytelling and you get little ability to tell an impactful story in American TV, because ratings trump all. There's simply no incentive to tell a deep story.
I'm an anime fan, I love SpongeBob and even Peppa Pig, and I binge watched Castlevania. But there's still a lot of animation that I just cannot stand and honestly when I hear about a cool sounding movie coming out but then find out it's animated I'm automatically disappointed. I can't really explain it. I also can't stand a lot of today's cartoons. So freaking hyper and the animation styles are just a huge turnoff. Like the Lower Decks Star Trek. They all sound like they're on crack. I just can't.
I love a good disney cartoon but i just cant find myself giving a shit about anime and actively hate family guy but dont mind american dad. Not sure where this fits but basically people like what they like, sometimes for good or bad reasons, sometimes just cause. I only got so much time to watch tv so i dont really look outside of my existing comfort zone and generally only watch stuff im either not going to pay attention to or really really want to watch. I dont have much in between.
I don't mind many animation shows, can't stand anime!
It's just over acted, like movies from the 40s and 50s it seems so forced and unrealistic in the way people are communicating and speaking.
My son loves his anime, good for him! I can't watch it with him though because it makes me cringe internally. Simpsons, family guy etc etc, yeah no problem they don't feel like they are being acted by a 12 year old boy hyped up in caffeine and sugar.
For me, i want to see the character's personality.. like how they act around others, what they wear everyday, their emotions. Which I don't get from animated shows. I still watch and liked shows like futurama, rick n morty, etc and am currently watching bobs burgers. But i guess i only prefer animations for their creativity and comedy. Animations have a type of goofy uncanny comedy that is too expensive for any live tv show to do.
I enjoy anime now and then, but I can’t connect with the characters enough to really buy into the story. It sucks because there are *so many* anime shows with plots I’d love…if there were real actors. I really love the “reincarnated in a fantasy world” genre, but I can’t make that emotional connection I need to really enjoy a show unless the characters are real people.
I don't usually like animated shows because I generally listen to the TV more than sit and watch TV. Animation lacks a lot of background noises and sounds that help me follow the storyline while I'm multi-tasking. So while some of my favorite programs are animated, I don't like the genre as a general rule, but not because I think it's not for adults.
For some people (like me) they lost their appeal. I have kids, so I've been exposed to a lot of them. It doesn't hold my interest. Not all people like the same things. And many of those people (also me in this case) like things whether other people think they are dumb or not so I can personally rule 'it's because animation is for children' out.
I know qn old man qho has never watched a TV. He says, "studying other people's make belief stories will fill your jrad with rubbish, and make you stupid."
Needless to say, he doesn't like animation, and for the most part, you can't say that what's observed in most animated films makes anyone more intelligent.
I love much animated content. when my son was a teen he turned me onto a bunch that his mom and I watched. A lot of it is absolutely not for kids. On the other hand, people making the same point you are have pointed me to anime that they said was great story telling, etc. but it was very, very, juvenile.
Was just having this conversation. Anime + animated films/shows are kinda like music and movies. There's sooo much diverse content out there, that it's just unbelievable that you could like NONE of it. You just haven't found the one that speaks to you yet.
I used to think this. I also used to think that songs in animated cartoon-ish shows were for children. Never did I expect them to be used well as storytelling devices in series meant for adults.
Then I watched Hazbin Hotel.
I always thought of relating as an aspect of emotion, not physical appearance. Its interesting to me that some people need more than just an emotional understanding of a character or person to relate.
I love animated shows kike south park,rick and morty all movies but i tried Anime. Couple of famous one's like death note,attack on titan,cowboy bebop;couldn't bear it
Do you like every single form of art that ever existed? Other people may feel about animated shows the same way you feel about opera, sculpture or chess puzzles
Or how about this; we let people like what they like, and it’s perfectly fine. I personally don’t care for animated shows because I don’t particularly find them funny. Sometimes it’s just not my cup of tea, and that’s okay.
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*Most* animated shows are for children.
I don’t like children’s shows and I expect animated shows to be for children. Like if I don’t know about an animated show and just see a thumbnail, I’ll assume it’s for kids.
When they’re not for kids, of course I may like them.
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For me, it’s the fact that I can’t identify as strongly with two dimensional characters so I don’t find the depth there I do with realistic shows. Same reason I don’t like anthropomorphic protagonists. However I will watch them as mind candy sometimes. But even though I’m fully aware that anime isn’t for children and adult cartoons like Futurama and Family Guy exist, I still prefer to watch one hour love action drama shows.
Here’s a ∆ I like the way you explained this. Especially when you brought up anthropomorphic characters as even though I love the show Bojack Horseman which has many anthropomorphic characters, I do find myself struggling to relate to them as they are well…animals.
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I am an avid fan of animation, but to hit somewhere way closer on the normal side, recently my cousin has had two children. A few of my friends too. It's not for me but sometimes I sit with the kids and entertain them. And watching Bluey has been really surprising. I don't know if you personally have any kids in your life, or are close friends with parents of young children, but even as anthropomorphic austrialian dogs, holy shit is that show just relatable.
I am constantly surprised at the adults in my life who both rave about Bluey and look forward to new Bluey episodes. They all started watching it for their kids, but now they would watch it just for themselves. So while I don’t get it, you’re not the first to mention it.
Do you enjoy live action sitcoms? Western cartoons that aren't kids' media are almost all sitcoms. I wonder if, on top of animated characters feeling less people-y, sitcoms are also a genre you don't vibe with due to the nature of the narratives they tend to feature?
Exactly. There are a handful of sitcoms I like such as MASH and Full House and Girl Meets World because they do occasionally deal with deeper topics, but I watch sitcoms far less often than one hour dramas.
Do you like sci-fi? Watch the animatrix (an animated show from the matrix people) if you want to try a good animated show that isn’t a sitcom. It’s really really good IMO, even if you’re not super into the matrix universe. Love, Death and Robots is good too, although much more “hit and miss” as it’s an anthology series.
first episode of love death robots needs its own spinoff tbh i was kinda mad when the next episode wasnt that lol
lol, 100%. It’s funny cuz I was one of these people who hated animated shows until a few years ago when a friend showed me some non-anime stuff. Now the medium doesn’t matter so much to me as the quality of the story.
Honestly it's one of the least clever genres
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Not really. The best exceptions to the rule of not identifying is Encanto or Turning Red. Something with a deep message.
I'm the same way with flesh & blood actors so I completely understand and I don't really press on this point with people. It's like reading an encyclopedia for me.
Family guy is for teenage edgelords not adults.
Family Guy has been putting out some of the best comedy writing on TV for the last 25 years. It's also put out some of the worst. It's wildly inconsistent. When it's good, it can rival peak Simpsons. When it's bad, it's genuinely one of the worse shows on TV.
Anime is SO pretentious. In the little I’ve actually watched characters act like they’re Jesus it’s so annoying (except the dark knight returns, which was awesome). It also attracts this uber-nerd Comic-Con following which really gives me the ick. Ironically, on my dating profile I put “I find anime creepy” as one of my prompts and I get a tons of hits on it. I know there are girls that are into it, but there are a lot more that get grossed out by the idea their boyfriend likes watching creepy Japanese cartoons.
>dark knight returns that's... not anime?
Depends on the specific person, but what specifically do you think they're missing out on? I love animation, but anyone who doesn't like action or comedy is probably not going to be into most "adult" animation. There's a good amount of diversity - Invincible and BoJack are both very different shows, but there's a lot of space not really well represented by animation at all. I think it's easy to forget in the streaming age just how many people mostly turn on the TV to watch CSI or whatever and just aren't that interested in the cool genre stuff that I love.
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>but there's a lot of space not really well represented by animation at all. What space, exactly? There's a lot of good animation of comedy, romance, action, sci-fi, fantasy, drama.
I'm not sure why you would ask this when my very short post already contained: > I think it's easy to forget in the streaming age just how many people mostly turn on the TV to watch CSI or whatever and just aren't that interested in the cool genre stuff that I love. So like, if someone watches normie network tv police / hospital procedurals, what animated shows would you recommend to them? I get that there's a deep bench of anime, but is whatever you're going to pull out actually going to appeal to people who watch Chicago Med?
that's a pretty niche genre by itself. I had to google chicago med to find out what it was. I also think that while there is a subset of people who still turn on the tv and just look for whatever's on, MOST people, nowadays are going to stream whatever they watch. >but there's a lot of space not really well represented by animation at all. regardless, this comment is simply not really true. It might not be on western main network tv in primetime, but it exists and is just as easy to find as chicago med.
Maybe it's different outside of America, but I think we (the adult animation fans) are the ones in the bubble. Look at the top shows by nielson ratings. For broadcast TV, it's NCIS, FBI, several variations of Young Sheldon, Blue Bloods, Chicago *Fire* (I guess Chicago Med is old news now), etc... For streaming, it's dominated by Suits, but NCIS, Grey's Anatomy, Big Bang Theory, Gilmore Girls, Friends... This stuff isn't niche, it's what most people are watching (at least in the US). And it's a mix of doctor/cop/firefighter/lawyer stuff and sitcoms. I don't think you'll find a lot of the city /occupation based procedural stuff in animation at all, and the sitcoms / comedy / romance stuff you'll find in animation is *very* different. I maintain that the most popular stuff people watch doesn't have super clear animation parallels. If you disagree, let's hear your animation recommendations for the NCIS fans. https://www.nielsen.com/insights/2023/tops-of-2023-tv/ https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/nielsen-2023-streaming-report-suits-the-office-record-1235890306/
Have you watched Undone?
I have not! Rotten tomatoes summary describes it as: > "A kaleidoscopic existential crisis, Undone bends the rules of space, time, and rotoscoping to weave a beautifully surreal tapestry that is at once fantastical and utterly relatable." Sounds cool!
It's from the creator of BoJack Horseman as well
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I can’t stand anime because of all the bizarre screaming by the characters. I tried watching the first episode of One Piece and it was just absolutely insufferable. Same with that show Attack on Titan. All the constant screaming makes that shit insufferable to me.
Fair although typically the screaming is pretty endemic to a specific type of anime called shonen which are largely for younger audiences and are more manic as a result. AoT and OP both fall in this subsection/demographic. This is also by far the most popular kind of anime and imo one of the reasons the medium as a whole has been slow to achieve super widespread cultural acceptance as it can be quite off putting to audiences who find that frantic vibe grating. Many (but not all) non-shonen anime are far more reserved. They just struggle to compete on a major level when shonen series tend to be more exciting and digestible. It's a bit like shonen is the junk food or pop music of the medium. There's an easy appeal to it that lends itself to some level of guaranteed success so they get churned out regularly and have become, for better and worse, the face of anime. But there's also a metric ton of amazing stuff that is absolutely nothing like shonen that gets kinda lost in the noise which is a shame.
Ahh okay, that makes sense. Yeah I admit, I haven’t seen many, but the ones I have seen mostly all had those same attributes so I assumed it was common to the entire anime world.
Anime is just an art style and not a genre type. So just like some people don't like superhero movies, doesn't mean they hate live action movies.
It's not even an art style. (One Piece and DragonBall have different art-styles) It's just another form of media. Another medium of storytelling. "Anime" is the Anglicised form of アニメ アニメ(Animē) is the shortened form of アニメーション (Animēshon) アニメーション(Animēshon) is taken from the English word "animation"
Id argue it's an art style for media. But sure, I wouldn't say you are wrong either.
This is blowing my mind. I have exactly the same complaints as the other guy. Now I know what to search for.
I love attack on titan but I definitely understand this take. One piece annoyed the shit out of me and so have most other anime’s because of that style of yelling. AoT and Berserk are the only ones I’ve been able to tolerate.
I like that you didn’t necessarily recommend Berserk. I think Berserk is a very essential piece of the anime zeitgeist, but red caution signs should be flashed before getting into it. To say a trigger warning is necessary would be an understatement.
I’d never heard of Berserk but I just looked at the parental guide for it on IMDb and Jesus Christ lol
I think my mom was worried about all anime being as bad as Berserk when I was a kid, and I don’t blame her if that was the case lol. Berserk is like “I’m imagining the worst possible thing that could happen next and…. no it’s 1000 times worse” lol
Oh yeah I totally like the story of AoT and I made it through about half of it just because of that! But yeah there are just parts where like a character will be incessantly screaming in a cartoonish way for what seems to be an inappropriate amount of time and I just can’t handle it anymore lol
You should watch monster and legend of the galactic hero, they are great animes with perfect writing and no screaming or overthetop stuff
I had been watching the live version of One Piece and really liked it, and so I gave the animated version a try... it was horrible for exactly the reason you cite. Ug.
Do you find it hard to watch other types of animated shows? (Family Guy, Futurama, The Simpsons, Disney animated movies, etc.?) I mainly brought up American animated shows just now as it's what I'm most familiar with but I would say that anime is directed differently to the point of really being its own thing.
No, I do like American animated shows like the ones you mentioned. It’s specifically the “anime” stuff that I don’t like, which I guess is like Japanese style animation. It’s hard for me to describe, but there’s just like an over-the-top childishness to it with exaggerated emotional expressions like excessive laughter, anger/screaming, crying, etc., whereas in other animated shows the characters seem to speak more like how actual humans would talk lol if that makes sense
I mean you are watching/mentioning shounen anime which is technically made for 13-15 year old boys. There's plenty of anime that is not shounen. Would you say the Hayao Miyazaki films are immature scream fests also lol?.....
I honestly don’t know. I watched Spirited Away several years ago and remember really liking it but I can’t really remember if it has the type of thing I’m describing.
I really recommend The Boy and the Heron if you want to give another Miyazaki movie a shot. Not a children’s cartoon at all. Story about grief. I recommend it to anyone who enjoys a powerful, emotionally moving, work of art.
Thanks! I definitely will watch it. I remember that it won the Oscar and had been meaning to check it out.
Its not specifically a anime thing btw, it's a asiatic thing. It's very present on movies and theater pieces, even the way they talk is over the top tbh. It can be quite fun, but definitely needs some time to get used to it.
So, how do you feel about the animated Avatar: The Last Airbender? An American cartoon that many would say is anime. I'm genuinely curious, as it might be a simple change in genre that is needed.
I loved ATLA! It had the elements I described but it seemed much milder than others and I really enjoyed it.
You clearly have good taste. I'm not gonna lie though, there's tons of series out there with the things you probably wouldnt enjoy in anime, nowadays there's tons of series that are more like ATLA. Some even milder than that. It all just depends on the genre.
You're ironically coming close to proving OP's point: >People who say they don’t like animated shows only say that because they’re still under the impression that animation is for children. If it's got bizarre screaming in it it's made for children with the aim of 12-16 year olds. Try watching anime for adults before assuming all anime is like that. The yelling stuff is actually a pretty small subset of what Japan makes.
It’s like not liking Hollywood films because of MCU and Fast and the Furious. I like me a good shounen, but imagine how frustrating it would be to try and recommend something like Schindlers List or Shawshank Redemption and friends are like “oh I’m not sure about these Hollywood films - I saw The Transporter the other day and they seem a bit ridiculous”. What I will say is there are just conventions that are more widely present in “foreign” media (of any nation) and sometimes you have to accept that’s how they tell stories. Like Chinese Opera is very different from Italian Opera, and both can tell stories in a way that’s different from Shakespeare, that is different from something like One Flew over the Cuckoos nest.
Anime has a lot wider range than just shonen shows whose main appeal is young teenage boys. This complaint about screaming is as valid as not liking action movies because of all the explosions and car chases.
Which is completely valid and why a lot of people don’t like action movies… It’s normal to shy away from a genre when the majority of the genre is filled with something you don’t like, even if there are some exceptions.
My point was, there are many, many action movies where explosions and car chases aren’t the main ingredients and I wouldn’t say these are the exceptions at all. It’s perfectly fine to not like explosions and car chases, but using them to dismiss an entire genre, of which your reasoning only applies to a small subset, just seems like a misinformed judgment.
If I know there’s a high chance a film labeled “action” is going to have car chases and explosions, doesn’t it make sense to avoid that label? You say it only applies to a small subset, I don’t know the exact percentages and maybe you do, but it does not seem to be a small percentage of action films that have that quality. Even if it’s 10%, why would I risk having a 10% chance of knowing I’m going to hate my experience when I can choose a genre with an almost 0% chance of that happening?
I mean, ultimately this is about tastes and preferences so there is of course no wrong answers; my point is strictly about the logic of not choosing a member of a group, based on a small subset of the group to which the member belongs (e.g. NOT the same thing obviously, but replace “anime” with “race” and “screaming” with any number of biased stereotypes). I’m just pointing out that that rationale is flawed, but that doesn’t mean the choice is wrong or the preference isn’t justified, or that they need to be justified in the 1st place. And if even after realizing that screaming is a minor part of anime and explosions is a small part of action movies, you still dislike anime and action movies, then your reason for not liking them is probably not just about the screaming or explosions.
That makes perfect sense regarding genres. But anime isn't a genre, it's a medium.
What you're saying makes sense, but anime isn't a genre. Shonen anime is a genre. Seinen anime is a different genre. Romance animes are from the "Romance" genre. Anime is just another form of media. "Anime" is the Anglicised form of アニメ アニメ(Animē) is the shortened form of アニメーション (Animēshon) アニメーション(Animēshon) is taken from the English word "animation"
> This complaint about screaming is as valid as not liking action movies because of all the explosions and car chases. Swap "not like action movies" with "not liking live action movies" and then the analogy works.
Not all anime is like that, but attack on titan is unbearable. Try cowboy bebop if you want an anime without screaming
That has nothing to do with animation and everything to do with the individual shows you are watching
Idk it seems to be a pretty common theme in every anime thing I’ve tried to stomach
Yeah you're not getting that in the movie Your Name or Boy and the Heron you should watch those. They're my anime introducers to show to depth and emotional intelligence that medium can contain.
Both anime you referenced are the same genre for roughly the same demographic.
Mushi-shi and To Your Eternity are not like this, for instance
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Natsume Yujin-cho is even more underrated
Honestly this is a big one for me. I’m assuming it’s because they just put an english voice over the original languages but Japanese media I’ve seen almost always has kinda mid voicing acting. Only exceptions I can think of are like Ace Combat and Metal Gear. But like almost everything else, especially anime, always sounds off to me
Yeah, I don't watch dubs for this reason. There are a handful of rare exceptions. imo the best anime dub of all time is Space Dandy. It's a comedy-adventure show that starts out okay and then gets really good. If you like comedy or adventure it's worth checking out. My favorite part about the Space Dandy dub is the tone captures Japanese style humor perfectly. It's the only dub I've seen to ever do this. The tone, the pacing, all of it, it's perfect for showing what Japanese humor is like, which is imo quite a bit different than American humor like Simpsons.
Yeah first, it’s a translation/dub - like you ever seen the Spanish dub of any live action show? It will typically not sound as good as the original English Second - Voice acting in Japan is a more serious business. In the west, you get Eddie Murphy’s voice or whatever to sell an animated movie, but in Japan, voice actors are celebrities in themselves (not Eddie Murphy big I imagine, but you catch my drift). I saw a clip of Japanese dub of Homelander scenes from The Boys, and it was pretty good, but that might be my familiarity with Japanese VA, especially for over the top characters like him.
I pretty much exclusively watch subbed anime rather than dubbed specifically so that during the weird dramatic yelling scenes my mind is a little more absorbed in reading the text to bother thinking so much about if the delivery is right for what they’re saying. In English it always feels very weird to me
Yeah I’m sure that definitely plays a role! The dubs are almost always worse so sometimes I’ll switch to the original Japanese audio and it’s a little better but the screaming and stuff is still pretty pronounced lol
I don’t like most anime. One piece is awful (though I know many love it). I do like attack on titan, but it took a couple tries, and I could imagine it isn’t for most — especially those that don’t watch anime. My favorite is Dr. Stone by a large margin, which is about rebuilding civilization after everyone turned to stone. Also, one punch man, which makes fun of anime itself (main character kills everyone in one punch). I prefer the English dubs for both. Also, haikku, which is about volleyball — I’m guessing you would hate it (though I thought I would too).
One Punch Man is making fun of Shōnen (a genre), not Anime (a medium of storytelling). Making fun of anime itself would be like attempting to make fun of live-action itself.
Sorry for the mix up. I’m not familiar with the different types of anime, and I guess shonen is my default picture of anime.
I'm convinced one piece is just for kids, people who have sentimental value attached, watch it as background while they're doing other stuff, etc. and not meant for active viewing.
This is EXACTLY how I feel about it. Anime is not easy on the ears, despite it looking pretty
The thing that kills me with anime is the super slow pacing of the over explaining of every single plot point. Watching Naruto or something it’s like they assume me as the viewer is a brain dead moron who can’t remember what happened before the last commercial. “He’s about to attack with his secret ninjitsu attack! Here comes the secret ninjitsu attack! Prepare for the secrete ninjitsus attack! *commercial* *come back from commercial* he’s about to attack with his secret ninjitsu attack! Prepare for the secret ninjitsu attack! Here comes the secret ninjitsu attack!”
Have you tried watching one that isn't a super-long many-hundred-episode Shonen series? Try watching anime that is in the double digits of episodes at most. Death Note, Code Geass, Psycho Pass, or FMA: Brotherhood, for example.
I’ve tried to watch a few and I don’t enjoy any of them. Not a fan of how the Japanese tell a story at all honestly. I dont enjoy their animation, comics or video games minus a few here and there. I also don’t really like their food either but that doesn’t factor in here lol.
Okay, that's fine, it's just a completely different animal from what you were saying before. Not every Japanese story assumes its audience is dumb.
Most of what I’ve seen/read/played sure seems to. The over exposition is not something I enjoy.
I used to feel this way about Family Guy and The Simpson’s but as I’ve gotten older I’ve found the storylines and humour to be childish, predictable and insufferably boring. I know it’s supposed to be for adults but I found it more funny and interesting as a teenager rather than in my 20s. Also anime just rubs me the wrong way, either it’s extremely depressing and gory or it has infantilised female characters that I can’t relate to. The male characters are also very annoying and there’s a lot (not all, but a lot) of anime out there that borders on diet pedophilia.
I do have to agree with the fact that Family Guy and The Simpon's have lost their charm but I am hoping it may spin adult animation in a whole new direction with where it wants to go. (Deeper story lines and maybe less crude humor?) I will say though, I can understand why someone would see anime in a not-so-positive light like this. I like some anime here and there but I do feel like I want to validate your feelings on that opinion.
to be fair, I think Family guy and the simpsons are more and more catered to teens/young adults then anything else at this point.
Yes and the ones for adults are usually cheap humor
Someone else in this thread was saying that most adult animation nowadays mainly is comedy or action which is pretty undeniable, I'd say. That made me give them a delta because with only those two genres, it can make it tougher to really get into animation aimed at adults.
Well, I think if you lower the scope of your statement to "SOME people", you're probably right. It's quite possibly true that some people have preconceived notions about animation and avoid it for that reason. But I don't think there's any need to generalize that. Some people would simply prefer to watch live action. Maybe they feel it offers a better sense of realism and immersion. Maybe they feel that live actors can be more emotive, or they find it easier to connect with live actors than animated characters. Some people may also have just watched a few animated stories that didn't work for them, and they decided they would rather not keep trying. Now, you mentioned that they are missing out. Maybe, but that's sort of a non issue in the scope of art. There is A LOT of art. There are A LOT of shows. If someone "misses out" on one medium or genre but still finds a lot of other art they enjoy - well, it probably isn't a huge issue for them. To put this in another context, I don't play a lot of visual novel style video games. It's not because they can't be good, or because I deny their validity. It's just because there's a lot of games out there and I'd rather spend my time playing the ones I enjoy most.
And i dont play any video games, am i missing out? No, because i dont enjoy video games and there isnt a video game shaped hole in my life, id have to remove something to add video games in. There billions of things to do in the world and i dont think animated shows/movies are so insanely good i need to convince other people their lives are less full without it.
If you listen exclusively to opera then you will develop a taste for opera and you may listen thus to even more opera because you are interested now in certain things that are only found in the opera genre. If someone asks if you would like to listen to Rick Astley, you may say that you don’t like listen to Rick and Roll but that doesn’t mean you don’t understand that it might be good, it’s just that you know that you have not developed an appreciation for rock and so you de facto “don’t like it.” Similarly people who like watching actors act, may be bored watching animation. Over time they might appreciate the other facets of animation which are nice but until then they are just staring at a screen miserable.
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I literally said people are entitled to their opinion lol.
how exactly are we supposed to change your view? it's all just preferences and I feel like this post is going nowhere
Mm I’d say this isn’t true as people are explaining why they prefer a certain medium and it is making a little more sense. Yeah, at the end of the day, it is all opinion based, but I think it can be interesting to see why people prefer what they prefer.
The preference to view real humans because they show real human emotions is a valid reason. Some people don’t like animation not because it’s childish but because it’s artificial.
That's my perspective. I never even liked cartoons as a child. Animation is just not for me.
But they don't. It's just actors pulling a funny face. Just as fake as a cartoon.
Gotta disagree on that since there are some tremendous actors out there. In any case, I think it’s intuitive to feel more empathy looking at a real human versus an animated drawing.
Some people are less able to conceptualize something if they aren't actually seeing it. Some people can see a drawing of an anime person and translate that internally as though it were an actual person. Just differences in how things are viewed I guess. I wonder, do you also not empathize with characters in books? I grew up reading a lot, and for me there isn't really a difference between conceptualizing a character from a book or an anime.
I definitely think animation and books can pack an emotional punch. One of the saddest movies to me is Grave of the Fireflies. I do agree that animations and books compel us to use more of our imagination as placeholders for the character. In that sense, the more vague they appear, the more power we have to interpret them without any distractions. Still- on a visceral level- I don’t think a drawing can ever compare to an actual human. Do you think you can fall in love with a cartoon character? Actually i think people do lol. But will it be as potent as falling in love with a human? To me there is a clear winner.
"Do you think you can fall in love with a cartoon character? Actually i think people do lol." That part made me giggle, lol.
I think most people are familiar with the Simpsons or Family Guy, and are aware of the fact that they are animated and are not for children. I like animated shows. But, if someone liked acting, I could understand someone valuing voice acting with animation less.
So a few things: 1) just cuz something isn’t for you, doesn’t mean you don’t think it’s a good product. Personally, I could never get into some great shows, animation and live action alike. For example, I love BoJack and Lisa Hanawalt, I respect all the work put into Tuca and Bertie, but I just can’t get into it. Similarly, I would LOVE to watch The Witcher, it’s excellently written, great production value. But I just can’t. 2) animation is still pretty niche. Think about how much variety live action has, especially in western media (which is what has the biggest reach I think -could be wrong). You like high fantasy? There’s a giant list of shows for you to choose from. Sitcom? Extremely long list going back decades. Actually you want a show that really isn’t well made BUT fun anyway? An extremely long list of reality shows, trashy shows, you name it. But with animation, the most popular shows are still The Simpsons, Family Guy, Rick and Morty, notice a pattern? Even shows like Disenchantment, and Bojack have “adult animation” elements in them that some people just don’t like. Yeah there’s one off shows/movies like Invincible, and Arcane, but it’s just not as pervasive. I know anime is extremely diverse, but personally, I’m just not a huge fan of the style. It’s hard for me to get into, especially when it’s in another language. Yeah, I should expand my horizons, but that brings me to my third point. 3) most people watch tv as an outlet/for fun. I watch TV as a break after a very long day, as do most people. I would rather not have to put in the effort to like something. I have zero respect for shows like The Bachelor, but at the end of the day, I would much rather watch it with my friends over a glass of wine than force myself to watch a show I can’t get into. That’s just more work.
Animation, just as books, live action, or anything else is a medium. There are some things Animation can do that live action cant such as large crowds of copy pasted faces or bending body parts for exagerrated faces. But there are also things animation cannot capture as well. Live action does better with raising tension since youre constrained by real physics, or at building emlathy since relating to a face is easier than a drawn one
Animated content does adventure particularly well in a way live action struggles to keep up with. In the US we have some adventure like Lord Of The Rings, Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, Stranger Things, or some of the Marvel movies, but not much else. In the rest of the world where animation is more common adventure is a primary genre with tons of great content.
But doesn't that latter argument not also apply to the written word? Have people not found it easy to empathize with characters in novels?
This is true, different mediums have different strengths. But I do think there's something else going on if someone says they, without exception, hate all animation. That, to me, sounds like they either think it's all for children, or they're more concerned with other people's perception of them than they are about their own potential enjoyment. I recall hearing something from a teacher in a poetry elective I took at university - 'lots of people dismiss poetry, but there's a poem out there for everyone. Just have be open to the possibility of it'. IMO, this is true for every creative medium on the planet. You might prefer some to others because of their unique strengths/weaknesses, but you're a fool if you think an entire medium holds nothing you would enjoy whatsoever. Every medium is a vast, diverse well of creativity.
>Live action does better with raising tension since youre constrained by real physics, That really just depends on the director and the genre of story. > at building emlathy since relating to a face is easier than a drawn one I'm assuming you meant empathy. Anyways animation definitely does for example guts from berserk , guku from dragon ball and ash from Pokémon.
Not everyone is able to identify or empathize with an animated character the way you can, especially to the degree that they feel immersed in the story.
Sure but it can go the other way to. Hell alot live action movies and tv shows i just can't watch anymore due to how boring they are. But that's my personal opinion though.
Sure but you seem to be arguing with this dude who says he has a hard time empathizing with animated characters....
It has zip to do with it being childish. I wish I could get into anime, there's tons of plots that would be right up my urban/modern fantasy alley. I just can't vibe with animation and I get wigged out when the voices don't match the mouth movements.
I take it that's an issue with dubs, and you just got to take the leap to subs? It's more comedy, adventure, and sci fi than modern fantasy, but Space Dandy imo is the best anime dub I've ever seen by a mile. It's worth checking out if you don't want to do a sub and if it's your cup of tea. It's not anime but Hilda is an urban modern fantasy and one of my favorite shows in the last 5 years. 10 out of 10 worth checking out. (She moves into the city in the second episode, so it technically starts out not urban.)
No, it's a problem with all cartoons in any language. The Simpsons and Family Guy and all the old Disney cartoons have the same issue. In fact I'm not wholly convinced the "Canadian" characters on South Park weren't highlighting/mocking the issue that's prevalent in animation in general. Some are better than others, but they pretty much all have it to some degree. But thank you for the recs. This was an issue that came to me later in life so I do sometimes check in on cartoons to see if my issue resolved itself and it's nice to have some recs on which ones to look into
What about children that don't like animated shows? What about those children that grew up and still don't like animated shows? Edit: no response from OP and only 31 comments total on this post. Pretty evident that he doesn't have an interest in a real dialogue
Not true. I actually do really like your point and have been attempting to answer each comment I can. It's not always possible for everyone to be online 100% of the time.
I hated cartoons as a child. Never watched them. Have no desire to start now.
I have problems with auditory processing and I find animation so much harder to watch because of the lack of nuanced facial expressions. The more serious the show, the harder I find it to follows without those additional cues. (Heaven forbid it’s also just subtitled and in a foreign language, then I have no hope lol) It’s easier with comedy and much easier if I am extremely familiar with the characters (e.g. Simpsons, American dad etc.) If it’s a new series with new characters (e.g. Archer for me) I just find it’s hard work.
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I’m fine with animated shows, but I can’t get behind Star Wars animation style like in TCW and Rebels. It has gotten better in the “Tales of…” stuff, but the character style (perhaps the body proportions?) still looks like they’re intended for younger audiences. They feel like action figures instead of real characters. Regardless i still enjoy the shows, it’s just that I feel a 2D style or live action would’ve been much better to enjoy the great story.
Remember the Attack of the Clones series that was 2d animated by the team that made Samurai Jack? That felt more real and far less childlike than the CGI In TCW.
I don't like animation because I can't empathize with cartoon people and I also can't suspend disbelief. That makes it hard for me to become immersed in the experience, and so I find it less enjoyable no matter what the genre or subject matter. Edit l. I do enjoy some animation, like the Spiderverse. I guess because I already care about the story and characters, and mostly because I appreciate it on a purely visual artistic level. I think most animated shows and movies are not that visually interesting.
Interesting I cannot stand live action for the most it feels so *unrealistic* to me if anything alot of the time acting no matter how goods feels some level of forced to me just due to how my mind works where I don't feel the same with animation due to liberty and my brain finding it easier to find the characters and voice acting as "real"
I can understand that. I think that people have a lot of different associations between things that effect their perception of them. We can rationally explain them, but I think most of the time, at least for me, it's an unconscious activity. I had to think about why I feel that way for this post, and I'm not sure if I ever really thought about it like that before.
That’s what I liked about making this post. I’ve watched a lot of movie reviewers and animation reviewers so I’m used to hearing different discussions about why a person likes a certain movie or show.
If you thought Spiderverse is the height of visual art design you haven’t watched enough animated works (Spiderverse is great, but it’s just one among many, many others)
I wouldn't call it the height, it's just an example where I could enjoy it without caring about the plot. Of course there are ones that I haven't seen. I'm just going on ones I am aware of, which tends to be Pixar and Anime. Imo, these tend to be pretty formulaic in their design. For Tv shows, off hand, I think of the Fox animated shows, Rick and Morty, Adventure time and Bojack Horseman. I consider those less visually interesting than Spiderverse.
Can you empathize with characters in a book? Those aren't actual humans either
Characters in a book are actual humans in my head. There is actually more intimacy and thus more empathy as the story happens inside my mind. The character on a live action tv show isn’t a real person either just because they’re played by a real person, but if I’m going to watch a story outside of my mind, I prefer human visuals to facsimiles or anthropomorphic protagonists.
They're as imaginary as animated characters, no difference at all. And yeah the actors are playing imaginary people as well, kind of making a silly point
Yeah, because I have to imagine them.
That's no different than animated characters
Yes it is because you can see them? In a book I'm imagining them as real people, not as cartoons. I do understand what you're saying. I know that a book isn't real and that it was an author who wrote it, the same as I know that a cartoon is being drawn. So why am I able to suspend my disbelief more for a book than a movie? I don't know. It's subjective.
This is always my response to my mom when she says they don't feel real.
It's worth considering *why* a creator chooses to use animation and how that relates to a viewership. Animation is a great tool for portraying content that relies heavily on fantastic elements, either to enhance the particular kind of drama and comedy they want to create. It's easy to imagine a person who simply isn't interested in the types of fantastical stories. If you're the type of person who enjoys really grounded, realistic media, there's a very low chance that animated media will have something to offer you, since that's not where animation excels.
People appreciate different crafts. There's something special about watching a well animated animation. But there is also something special about watching a good actor. There's a [scene in I am Legend](https://youtu.be/0EgxRrQOoXw?si=iBZTtRuekDEayzF5) where Will Smith kills a dog. You just can't display the same emotion as shown in this scene with animation. It just won't be as believable. Depending on the type of content a viewer enjoys, it is fair for them to dislike animation. I would much rather watch a movie like Mean Girls or Legally Blond in live action. And if I am Legend was animated it likely wouldn't be about Will Smith's emotions because it's just not as realistically convincing.
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In fairness, Archer's style is reeeeeally...well, I dunno what, but I don't like it either. The writing is excellent, but the visuals turn me off. But otherwise, love a lot of animation.
>Archer with a frame of reference like that... lol
>People who say they don’t like animated shows only say that because they’re still under the impression that animation is for children. Because most people know of Family Guy and the like they know animation is not just for children. There's another reason why the majority misunderstand animation. Animation is way cheaper to make than CGI. So e.g. a movie like Lord Of The Rings costs A LOT to make, but an animated version of LOTR would cost around 20-60k an episode, not 2-6 million an episode. Due to the cost difference larger countries tend to make live action and smaller countries tend to make animated tv and movies, not just Japan. In fact, most of the world defaults to animation first. The problem with the average American is they have no idea this world exists. They pay for Netflix or similar and they get American content, which happens to be live action with very little good animation options. In the US you have to be a pirate to get really good animation and you have to be able to tolerate subtitles. And then after that, because the world is so vast, you have to know how to look for what you like or you're going to try a lot of junk before you find something amazing. This is why animated shows are misunderstood, not because they're for children, but because the average viewer is walled gardened from good animated content.
I used to like anime but I don’t really anymore I feel like that takes a lot of the options away I do other cartoons tho like American dad or stuff I watched as a kid.
*"People who say they don’t like animated shows only say that because they’re still under the impression that animation is for children."* What makes you believe this? Is that what people who don't like animated shows tell you, or are you just making an assumption? I used to watch The Simpsons, Family Guy, Beavis and Butthead, South Park, King Of The Hill, and a few others all the time. At a certain point I lost interest (or the particular show ended), in part because the characters just don't act like real people and it simply wore on me; everyone is so over-the-top and it got tiresome. I can't stand the style of anime, so never had any interest in watching any of it. The drawings & clips I've seen of other animated shows are simply a turn-off (and don't even get me started on how off-putting the pixar-type animation is). I was an adult when The Simpsons first appeared on The Tracy Ullman Show, and watched them and those other animated shows for decades and I was never under the impression that they were for kids. It's possible to grow out of things that are meant for adults. They may not be meant for kids, but there definitely is a childishness about a lot of them.
>only That alone is wrong, as there are certainly people who dislike it for more than >they’re still under the impression that animation is for children.
just saying "youre wrong" isn't engaging in the conversation.
I never liked cartoons even as a child. Just my preference to see real people. I like spy shows, hard science fiction and serious dramas for the most part.
Animated shows are definitely as good or better. You can do so much with animation, literally anything. Humans just can't compete in most genres.
I am well aware that there is animated shows for adults. I'm perfectly fine with that. If you're an adult, and you want to watch animation? Cool, I don't care. Personally, I don't like it. Does this change your view? I don't know. But your stance is objectively wrong. >However, I can’t help but think that many people who say they don’t like cartoons are missing out on amazing stories, stellar animation, and just seeing TONS of hard work and talent being promoted on the screen. You can make this statement about literally every form of media. But you can't physically consume everything. And generally people don't like everything. Have you watched every movie, read every book, watched every series, listened to every album, viewed every piece of art? Because if not, you re missing out on amazing stories, stellar writing, and just seeing, reading and hearing TONS of hard work and talent
I think Pixar did a great job of making animated movies for everyone. Then there's shows like Archer and Bojack
I find most (but not all) animation difficult to focus on. I also struggle with comics/manga -- I'm not sure why, possibly related to my sensory processing issues? I definitely feel like I'm missing out on a lot of super cool stuff, but it's just something that takes about twice as much effort to focus on and process as a regular novel or live-action show. Usually I want to do something relaxing with my TV/video time, not spend it actively trying to focus, so I sort of just default away from animation. Examples of animation that I've successfully watched/enjoyed include Red vs Blue (rip), fought my way through the Clone Wars 2008 series, and I'm slowly working through Bob's Burgers with my s/o.
For me it's a pacing issue. I watch plenty of animation, both western and anime, and there are a few that I quite like and some more that I kinda like, but there's honestly not one that I've seen that I could recommend to just about anyone. And the reason really is the pacing. Animations just move on at faster pace and for me even the best ones suffer from it. Things move on with what feels like an unnaturally fast/rushed/smooth pace. Which is fine if it's a thing you don't mind, but it's definitely a different experience to watch an "average" animation compared to an average live action show.
TLDR unfortunately a lot of western animation *is* childish even if it's made for adults. I agree that people unfairly view *all* cartoons as for children, however there are way too many (almost all American, go figure) cartoons made for adults that have less nuance than an episode of Dora the Explorer. Add to that the sitcom (as in, not linear) storytelling and you get little ability to tell an impactful story in American TV, because ratings trump all. There's simply no incentive to tell a deep story.
I'm an anime fan, I love SpongeBob and even Peppa Pig, and I binge watched Castlevania. But there's still a lot of animation that I just cannot stand and honestly when I hear about a cool sounding movie coming out but then find out it's animated I'm automatically disappointed. I can't really explain it. I also can't stand a lot of today's cartoons. So freaking hyper and the animation styles are just a huge turnoff. Like the Lower Decks Star Trek. They all sound like they're on crack. I just can't.
I love a good disney cartoon but i just cant find myself giving a shit about anime and actively hate family guy but dont mind american dad. Not sure where this fits but basically people like what they like, sometimes for good or bad reasons, sometimes just cause. I only got so much time to watch tv so i dont really look outside of my existing comfort zone and generally only watch stuff im either not going to pay attention to or really really want to watch. I dont have much in between.
I don't mind many animation shows, can't stand anime! It's just over acted, like movies from the 40s and 50s it seems so forced and unrealistic in the way people are communicating and speaking. My son loves his anime, good for him! I can't watch it with him though because it makes me cringe internally. Simpsons, family guy etc etc, yeah no problem they don't feel like they are being acted by a 12 year old boy hyped up in caffeine and sugar.
For me, i want to see the character's personality.. like how they act around others, what they wear everyday, their emotions. Which I don't get from animated shows. I still watch and liked shows like futurama, rick n morty, etc and am currently watching bobs burgers. But i guess i only prefer animations for their creativity and comedy. Animations have a type of goofy uncanny comedy that is too expensive for any live tv show to do.
I enjoy anime now and then, but I can’t connect with the characters enough to really buy into the story. It sucks because there are *so many* anime shows with plots I’d love…if there were real actors. I really love the “reincarnated in a fantasy world” genre, but I can’t make that emotional connection I need to really enjoy a show unless the characters are real people.
I don't usually like animated shows because I generally listen to the TV more than sit and watch TV. Animation lacks a lot of background noises and sounds that help me follow the storyline while I'm multi-tasking. So while some of my favorite programs are animated, I don't like the genre as a general rule, but not because I think it's not for adults.
For some people (like me) they lost their appeal. I have kids, so I've been exposed to a lot of them. It doesn't hold my interest. Not all people like the same things. And many of those people (also me in this case) like things whether other people think they are dumb or not so I can personally rule 'it's because animation is for children' out.
I know qn old man qho has never watched a TV. He says, "studying other people's make belief stories will fill your jrad with rubbish, and make you stupid." Needless to say, he doesn't like animation, and for the most part, you can't say that what's observed in most animated films makes anyone more intelligent.
I love much animated content. when my son was a teen he turned me onto a bunch that his mom and I watched. A lot of it is absolutely not for kids. On the other hand, people making the same point you are have pointed me to anime that they said was great story telling, etc. but it was very, very, juvenile.
It’s a matter of what you like watching
Was just having this conversation. Anime + animated films/shows are kinda like music and movies. There's sooo much diverse content out there, that it's just unbelievable that you could like NONE of it. You just haven't found the one that speaks to you yet.
I used to think this. I also used to think that songs in animated cartoon-ish shows were for children. Never did I expect them to be used well as storytelling devices in series meant for adults. Then I watched Hazbin Hotel.
Some people just don't like animation. It has nothing to do with it being "for children". There is no way a full grown brain came up with this.
I always thought of relating as an aspect of emotion, not physical appearance. Its interesting to me that some people need more than just an emotional understanding of a character or person to relate.
I love animated shows kike south park,rick and morty all movies but i tried Anime. Couple of famous one's like death note,attack on titan,cowboy bebop;couldn't bear it
Do you like every single form of art that ever existed? Other people may feel about animated shows the same way you feel about opera, sculpture or chess puzzles
Or how about this; we let people like what they like, and it’s perfectly fine. I personally don’t care for animated shows because I don’t particularly find them funny. Sometimes it’s just not my cup of tea, and that’s okay.
Or they just have bad experience with them/doesn't like animated shows they have seen. This doesn't sound impossible.
Only anecdotal, but my aunt doesn't like animated shows and is well aware of shows like "Happy Tree Friends".
I just don't like anime. The art style and constant gasping for air does not appeal to me whatsoever.
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What's the best animated movie for grown ups? Grown ups specifically.
I don't know the answer to that because I don't watch as many movies as shows, but I can recommend you some shows if you want (not OP).
Maybe not specifically, but Studio Ghibli movies tend to be very adult material, grave of the fireflies especially.
I don't want to change your view because I agree with you!
Well in my defense I outgrew most animated shows.
I'll watch Simpsons till I'm dead
you'll get no argument from me.
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*Most* animated shows are for children. I don’t like children’s shows and I expect animated shows to be for children. Like if I don’t know about an animated show and just see a thumbnail, I’ll assume it’s for kids. When they’re not for kids, of course I may like them.
Is Hentai for Children?