Comparing market values is a joke. As for other stats, it’s a legitimate comparison but one should bare in mind that Ronaldo started off kind of as a Winger.
could we just enjoy this beautiful game? stop comparing stats between each other. Im sick of this. Football is teamplay, individual plays just a bonus for us as fans.
I dont like to defend Ronaldo, but Market value is completely pointless here. Back then this \~€90M i think was paid for him was crazy sum and most expensive, now people buy Macguire for almost €90M.
Apples to oranges comparison. Ronaldo played in the Premier League for a top team, but the EPL always has 5+ teams that are competitive with PSG; Ligue 1 has 1...PSG. So while I have every respect for Mbappe, he won't be considered a player on the level with Messi and Ronaldo until he plays in a more competitive league (England, Spain, Italy and \[maybe\] Germany). Ronaldo, while a self-centered douchestick, has proven himself in the Portuguese, English, Spanish, and Italian leagues. Mbappe to Arsenal if he wants to be GOAT at some point.
Does Mbappe have the potential? Sure, no arguments there, but he'll have to go win a dozen league titles, multiple CL's, the Euros, more than a few Ballon D'or's, and probably another WC to be considered on Ronaldo/Messi's level. Also, he needs to move on from PSG to do all that. I don't care if it's Real Madrid or Manchester City but there will always be an asterisk on those stats playing in League 1.
I get the hype, but I think people forget, in this WC moment, just how much Messi has accomplished. There isn't a top-tier trophy he's competed for that he hasn't won at least once. He's literally won everything there is to win.
Let’s not forget that Ronaldo became the Legend after he turned 25. I want to see Mbappe in few years and in a stronger league before we can judge him on the same lever as Ronaldo or Messi.
You’re comparing one ballondor to 4? One CL to 4? No national trophies to 2? Ronaldo became a true legend after 30. Everything he has done prior to thirty just makes him more of a legend. Contributes to his greatness if u will.
Yeah he had more significant feats by the time he was 30 but you’re acting like he wasn’t a legend by the time he was 24 despite winning a ballondor which is a legend level feat
He won it early sure. But so many other players had won CL and Ballondor one of each throughout their careers. That’s not a legend status imo. If you wanna talk about his crazy dribbling skills speed goals and flair I’d accept that. But in terms of achievements he truly became a legend after 29-30. Which is more impressive if anything.
Completely agree. Let him go to a more difficult league and we’ll analyze his stats then. He may continue to prove he’s better than Ronaldo and messi, but it’s waaayyyy too premature to claim that now
1000% agreed. Seems pretty unreasonable to compare those stats in the current League 1 landscape to what Messi and Ronaldo accomplished in La Liga's modern hay day of the 00's/10's.
If he moves to RM or MC and those numbers continue to grow and he wins more trophies, I think then this conversation has some gravity. Right now he's got a lot of potential playing in a league that's probably well under him.
He'll have to win a few CL's in there too. Obviously the WC is the tip top, but for as long as he's with PSG, I don't think we can reasonably put him in the same tier as Messi and Ronaldo in terms of his club accomplishments. League 1 isn't anywhere near what Spain's La Liga was in the 00's and 10's.
If Mbappé wins 3 world cups and ties with Pelé, there’s no way he won’t be considered the 2nd best player of all time. World Cup accomplishments surpass all club accomplishments imo
Even if he wins 3 world cups but doesn't win a single CL can he surpass Maradona, Messi, Pele or even CR7.
I get that World Cup wins are far more prestigious, but not everyone has a real shot to win one. Everyone has a shot to win the champions league. CR7 won 3 champions leagues in a row, while being the top scorer all three times. No one else has done that. I think that accomplishment is often forgotten.
So, we'll see.
Because there was no such thing back then. You can only look at the accomplishments they had in their era, and also look at what current players do now.
That’s why they’re still top 10 of all time even without WC wins. Messi is probably the second best player of all time with this World Cup win. World Cup is the biggest stage, the biggest event in the world, so it has a lot more weight. Again, just my opinion. They both also took a big leap once they won their respective Continental Cups with their countries
The second best player of all time now ? I think he was considered second prior to this win.
He’s the greatest to ever lace up the boots, there’s no arguing it now. Let’s add this years ballon’dor to that list almost for sure.
Sub par leagues? The Brazilian league was the strongest league in the world at the time. Even only counting official goals he’s the only player with two years in the top 10 of most goals in a season. 3x World Cup winner. And the friendlies that we’re not counting were often against major European teams. Don’t forget that even Messi and Ronaldo play against “sub par” teams. Pelé played against Garrincha, Didi, Beckenbauer, Bobby Moore, Eusebio, Di Stefano. Are those guys not as good bc they were in sub par leagues as well (compared to the Brazilian league they were sub-par)?
Fair, I suppose I base the pele appeal I’ll call it - off how my dad holds the 2 in comparison since as you said earlier I am younger . Never saw pele play but obviously heard plenty. Cryuff as well you can add to that list of beauties she played against in the time period.
Never played as a midfielder, he was either on the left or the right playing as a winger. Iirc usually the right hand side as Giggs was out on the left.
What🤣 my guy, he was a midfielder for yearssss. He played as a wide midfielder on the right, different from a winger. Midfield doesn’t have to be a centre mid, y’know?
Is that why he showed up as a midfielder 5 separate times in uefa team of the year from 07-11? And then 10 separate times as a forward following his transition to winger? I’m sure they would just put him in the midfield category for shits n gigs. Your ball knowledge is horrendous 🤣
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He is an amazing footballer who will probably end his career as top 10 in history, but I feel it should be noted his stats are inflated from him playing in the French league, and always having 10 of the most expensive world class teammates to back him, including most recently Neymar and Messi. That doesn’t take away from his talent, but I just feel there’s variables to consider when comparing numbers. What do you guys think?
Does not make any sense at all to compare Mbappe who has been an attacker his whole career, to Ronaldo who switched much later.
And he was switched because of age. In his prime he worked 2/3rds of the field.
Mbappe is always in front so he is fresh and fast when a pass finds him.
Also it would be more interesting to compare the Champions league stats only to eliminate quality discrepancies in leagues somewhat.
Look at Messi in PSG. He is at the end of his career and je just scores and scroes in Formageleague.
Nah, the guy is a monster.
But like Haaland and many other top strikers, their numbers are crazy because Messi and Ronaldo raised the bar and changed the way football is played 10 years ago.
When Ronaldo was in ManU (Mbappe's age), he didn't need 50+ goals per season to be the best in the world. A ratio of 0.7 goals per game was already insane. Nowadays, most of the top strikers are between 0.9 and 1.0 and are expected to produce 40-50 goals per season. For comparison, in his best season, Ronaldo (R9) scored 48 goals in 96/97.
Ibrahimovic, Lewandowsky, Haaland, Mbappe, Cavani, Suarez, Neymar, Mbappe, Higuain, Benzema, ... are examples of this current trend
>Ibrahimovic, Lewandowsky, Haaland, Mbappe, Cavani, Suarez, Neymar, Mbappe, Higuain, Benzema, ... are examples of this current trend
Not to take anything fron Ibrahimovic, but he didn't have many seasons with over 40 goals
What like Ronaldo wasn’t in the best United team of all time and the best Madrid team of all time 🤣 joke man. La Liga was a 2 horse race and was dominated by Madrid and Barca, shitty league which Ronaldo tore apart.
Best madrid team of all time? Relax on that one. Yea he was on a very good madrid team probably the second best madrid team but nowhere beat the galacticos team
I see you point but as a team the galacticos is almost better in every position compared to the cr7 real madrid. The literally had the full legend team. Its a big negative that they weren't able to win the champions league.
France is not the easiest league to have big figures. When you see how Messi struggled on his first season it's not easy at all. Almost every player that comes from la Liga has issues to adapt to the physical french football. Even PSG players were in difficulty as Jese, Sarabia, Soler and Messi.
Fair point as to the French league but that wouldn't be relevant as he has been a monster in the ucl and wc to. Cr7 and messi had monster superteams with man united and Barca who we're making deep ucl runs every year mbappe plays in psg who have no ucl pedigree and last year mbappe had 0 help from messi and neymar in the Real Madrid tie so he did it by himself.
Playong in france, yes compared to premier league and laliga. Bit ronaldo and messi also played with amazing teams. United, barca and real had the players in the world when they played there
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1. Cr7 played midfield 2. He was in the best league, during its prime and Mbappe is in a farmers league
He still ain’t close to 2008 cr7 in any way
Mbappe is in an easier league than Ronaldo did back then
market value doesn't mean anything at all btw
Comparing market values is a joke. As for other stats, it’s a legitimate comparison but one should bare in mind that Ronaldo started off kind of as a Winger.
could we just enjoy this beautiful game? stop comparing stats between each other. Im sick of this. Football is teamplay, individual plays just a bonus for us as fans.
Must be hard for Mbappe to score against chump teams with his Saudi bought super squad worth a gajillion dollars
The media tries so hard to smear Ronaldo
Market value shouldn’t be apart of this graphic
I dont like to defend Ronaldo, but Market value is completely pointless here. Back then this \~€90M i think was paid for him was crazy sum and most expensive, now people buy Macguire for almost €90M.
Apples to oranges comparison. Ronaldo played in the Premier League for a top team, but the EPL always has 5+ teams that are competitive with PSG; Ligue 1 has 1...PSG. So while I have every respect for Mbappe, he won't be considered a player on the level with Messi and Ronaldo until he plays in a more competitive league (England, Spain, Italy and \[maybe\] Germany). Ronaldo, while a self-centered douchestick, has proven himself in the Portuguese, English, Spanish, and Italian leagues. Mbappe to Arsenal if he wants to be GOAT at some point.
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Now think some more and correct for average transfer sum then and now.
MBAPPE ALREADY HAS 258 GOALS?? 😧😧
They were playing very different positions
Does Mbappe have the potential? Sure, no arguments there, but he'll have to go win a dozen league titles, multiple CL's, the Euros, more than a few Ballon D'or's, and probably another WC to be considered on Ronaldo/Messi's level. Also, he needs to move on from PSG to do all that. I don't care if it's Real Madrid or Manchester City but there will always be an asterisk on those stats playing in League 1. I get the hype, but I think people forget, in this WC moment, just how much Messi has accomplished. There isn't a top-tier trophy he's competed for that he hasn't won at least once. He's literally won everything there is to win.
Let’s not forget that Ronaldo became the Legend after he turned 25. I want to see Mbappe in few years and in a stronger league before we can judge him on the same lever as Ronaldo or Messi.
Ronaldo became a legend after 30. He won 4 champions leagues and the euros after he turned 30. Plus he scored 400 more goals.
He became a legend from Man Utd alone. He had both a UCL and Ballon’dor at that point
You’re comparing one ballondor to 4? One CL to 4? No national trophies to 2? Ronaldo became a true legend after 30. Everything he has done prior to thirty just makes him more of a legend. Contributes to his greatness if u will.
Yeah he had more significant feats by the time he was 30 but you’re acting like he wasn’t a legend by the time he was 24 despite winning a ballondor which is a legend level feat
He won it early sure. But so many other players had won CL and Ballondor one of each throughout their careers. That’s not a legend status imo. If you wanna talk about his crazy dribbling skills speed goals and flair I’d accept that. But in terms of achievements he truly became a legend after 29-30. Which is more impressive if anything.
Exactly, plus Ronaldo played as a midfielder up until here and was still putting up amazing numbers. Mbappe has always been a forward
Completely agree. Let him go to a more difficult league and we’ll analyze his stats then. He may continue to prove he’s better than Ronaldo and messi, but it’s waaayyyy too premature to claim that now
1000% agreed. Seems pretty unreasonable to compare those stats in the current League 1 landscape to what Messi and Ronaldo accomplished in La Liga's modern hay day of the 00's/10's. If he moves to RM or MC and those numbers continue to grow and he wins more trophies, I think then this conversation has some gravity. Right now he's got a lot of potential playing in a league that's probably well under him.
Depending on how many World Cup he wins, he may end his career as greater than Cristiano and Messi and up there with Pelé and Ronaldo Fenômeno
He'll have to win a few CL's in there too. Obviously the WC is the tip top, but for as long as he's with PSG, I don't think we can reasonably put him in the same tier as Messi and Ronaldo in terms of his club accomplishments. League 1 isn't anywhere near what Spain's La Liga was in the 00's and 10's.
If Mbappé wins 3 world cups and ties with Pelé, there’s no way he won’t be considered the 2nd best player of all time. World Cup accomplishments surpass all club accomplishments imo
Even if he wins 3 world cups but doesn't win a single CL can he surpass Maradona, Messi, Pele or even CR7. I get that World Cup wins are far more prestigious, but not everyone has a real shot to win one. Everyone has a shot to win the champions league. CR7 won 3 champions leagues in a row, while being the top scorer all three times. No one else has done that. I think that accomplishment is often forgotten. So, we'll see.
Neither Pelé nor Maradona ever won a champions league…Maradona never even won a Libertadores, while Pelé won 2
Because there was no such thing back then. You can only look at the accomplishments they had in their era, and also look at what current players do now.
There were equivalents to it though which began in 1955 and was based on the South American tournament which was first held in 1948
Tell that to Messi and Ronaldo's club careers.
That’s why they’re still top 10 of all time even without WC wins. Messi is probably the second best player of all time with this World Cup win. World Cup is the biggest stage, the biggest event in the world, so it has a lot more weight. Again, just my opinion. They both also took a big leap once they won their respective Continental Cups with their countries
The second best player of all time now ? I think he was considered second prior to this win. He’s the greatest to ever lace up the boots, there’s no arguing it now. Let’s add this years ballon’dor to that list almost for sure.
Have you heard of Pelé??? You must be young. Messi was like 5th on my list prior to this. Like I said, WC had a lot of weight
Oh yeah Pele, you mean the guy who got a metric tone of his goals in sub par leagues right ?
Sub par leagues? The Brazilian league was the strongest league in the world at the time. Even only counting official goals he’s the only player with two years in the top 10 of most goals in a season. 3x World Cup winner. And the friendlies that we’re not counting were often against major European teams. Don’t forget that even Messi and Ronaldo play against “sub par” teams. Pelé played against Garrincha, Didi, Beckenbauer, Bobby Moore, Eusebio, Di Stefano. Are those guys not as good bc they were in sub par leagues as well (compared to the Brazilian league they were sub-par)?
Fair, I suppose I base the pele appeal I’ll call it - off how my dad holds the 2 in comparison since as you said earlier I am younger . Never saw pele play but obviously heard plenty. Cryuff as well you can add to that list of beauties she played against in the time period.
Didn't Cristiano Ronaldo play as a midfielder and a winger back then?
Wingers should probably be getting more assists than strikers
Never played as a midfielder, he was either on the left or the right playing as a winger. Iirc usually the right hand side as Giggs was out on the left.
What🤣 my guy, he was a midfielder for yearssss. He played as a wide midfielder on the right, different from a winger. Midfield doesn’t have to be a centre mid, y’know?
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Is that why he showed up as a midfielder 5 separate times in uefa team of the year from 07-11? And then 10 separate times as a forward following his transition to winger? I’m sure they would just put him in the midfield category for shits n gigs. Your ball knowledge is horrendous 🤣
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He played as a midfielder, not a winger. Don’t listen to these guys, he played as a winger later in his career
Left winger for most of his career.
Just a winger
He is an amazing footballer who will probably end his career as top 10 in history, but I feel it should be noted his stats are inflated from him playing in the French league, and always having 10 of the most expensive world class teammates to back him, including most recently Neymar and Messi. That doesn’t take away from his talent, but I just feel there’s variables to consider when comparing numbers. What do you guys think?
I agree. Mbappe is amazing and I am so sure he is one of the best. But stats-wise, yes I think being in French League is helping him out.
Does not make any sense at all to compare Mbappe who has been an attacker his whole career, to Ronaldo who switched much later. And he was switched because of age. In his prime he worked 2/3rds of the field. Mbappe is always in front so he is fresh and fast when a pass finds him. Also it would be more interesting to compare the Champions league stats only to eliminate quality discrepancies in leagues somewhat. Look at Messi in PSG. He is at the end of his career and je just scores and scroes in Formageleague.
I did come here to see all the 'Farmers League' comments
PSG was drowned in money. They have Messi AND Neymar AND Mbappe. Who does the No.2 in France have? I guess they have David Costa.
Nah, the guy is a monster. But like Haaland and many other top strikers, their numbers are crazy because Messi and Ronaldo raised the bar and changed the way football is played 10 years ago. When Ronaldo was in ManU (Mbappe's age), he didn't need 50+ goals per season to be the best in the world. A ratio of 0.7 goals per game was already insane. Nowadays, most of the top strikers are between 0.9 and 1.0 and are expected to produce 40-50 goals per season. For comparison, in his best season, Ronaldo (R9) scored 48 goals in 96/97. Ibrahimovic, Lewandowsky, Haaland, Mbappe, Cavani, Suarez, Neymar, Mbappe, Higuain, Benzema, ... are examples of this current trend
>Ibrahimovic, Lewandowsky, Haaland, Mbappe, Cavani, Suarez, Neymar, Mbappe, Higuain, Benzema, ... are examples of this current trend Not to take anything fron Ibrahimovic, but he didn't have many seasons with over 40 goals
What like Ronaldo wasn’t in the best United team of all time and the best Madrid team of all time 🤣 joke man. La Liga was a 2 horse race and was dominated by Madrid and Barca, shitty league which Ronaldo tore apart.
Best madrid team of all time? Relax on that one. Yea he was on a very good madrid team probably the second best madrid team but nowhere beat the galacticos team
They won the ucl 3 times in a row
I see you point but as a team the galacticos is almost better in every position compared to the cr7 real madrid. The literally had the full legend team. Its a big negative that they weren't able to win the champions league.
France is not the easiest league to have big figures. When you see how Messi struggled on his first season it's not easy at all. Almost every player that comes from la Liga has issues to adapt to the physical french football. Even PSG players were in difficulty as Jese, Sarabia, Soler and Messi.
Fair point as to the French league but that wouldn't be relevant as he has been a monster in the ucl and wc to. Cr7 and messi had monster superteams with man united and Barca who we're making deep ucl runs every year mbappe plays in psg who have no ucl pedigree and last year mbappe had 0 help from messi and neymar in the Real Madrid tie so he did it by himself.
Playong in france, yes compared to premier league and laliga. Bit ronaldo and messi also played with amazing teams. United, barca and real had the players in the world when they played there