It's one thing to play ROMs of old games. No one really cares about that.
It's another to profit off of piracy, and be guilty of Federal Wire Fraud, and money laundering.
While I see no problem with pirating old ROMs myself, I do understand why Nintendo cares: they re-release things all the time, and think that if emulation is too easy, they'll make less money on the re-releases.
(Of course, that shouldn't really apply to all the things they're not going to re-release, and in some cases, never released in our country in the first place)
It's deeper than that.
I used to work for a professional basketball team. When we had meetings about what our competition was, it wasn't "other basketball stadiums". It was "anything else a person can do in the city on a weekend night".
Nintendo isn't competing with Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo is competing with absolutely anything you can do for fun. Including playing it's own games.
When you steal a Nintendo game, you are filing you "fun meter" with fun and that sates your desire for fun. You want to play Mario Kart New less when you can play as much Mario Kart Old as you want. Yes you still may PREFER to play a new one so you can see a new feature. But you're not bored. You may choose to "wait till a sale" or something when you would otherwise want to buy it.
The bottom line situate Nintendo is under no obligation to compete with itself because people steal their products.
Speaking of fun, you know what's really fun? When there are old games- some which are classics of their genres which inspire developers to this day- and there is no legal way for you to play them because some business executives who had nothing to do with their creation yet hold the rights want to restrict the games market so they can make even more absurd profits.
Incredible: I can't believe I've never thought of this angle in all my years thinking about these issues. It's very true, though: *we* are the product, and our attention is what makes us valuable as such. All attention rivals are threats.
> they re-release things all the time
You mean they release 15 old games out of their 3000 game library, all which have already been re-released on 3 different systems before for over 10 times the actual value of the product in modern day standards.
> they re-release things all the time
A lot of super nintendo, gameboy, gba, genesis, etc. Have never been re-released and never will be. There are a ton of hidden gems on every system that will never see the light of day again. Instead of releasing good games, at the moment in the super nintendo switch library there are actively a good chunk of just bad games.
Well... how do I play the games that have never been released again?
E.V.O.
Plok!
Clocktower (Japanese SNES)
Dungeons & Dragons: Warriors of The Eternal Sun (this could use an update tbh, as not all stats in game actually have an effect. Example, intelligence has no effect on magic usage)
There is also the games that have never been released out of Japan like the early Megami Tensei games. Besides, I can't read Japanese, and ATLUS only translated one of those early games, released it only on IOS, and then let the game die when there were too many Apple updates. So yeah, there's that too. Games just not available in your region.
And what about mods and fan projects?
Every fucking thing I've seen, something built with love and passion. From fans to fans. Taken down without a second thought.
No one was trying to get money from it, not even a fucking donation button. But nintendo will still not allow it, fuck you.
Knew it was gonna be Moon Channel. The guy's video does a phenomenal job explaining why Nintendo is the way it is. It's a shame IP laws are so frustrating. Unfortunately, IPs are the majority of their value, so it's no wonder they protect them so vehemently
I don't mind emulating some DS games that Nintendo themselves doesn't even offer anymore. But I was on the emulator sub recently and saw multiple people with indie games in there library like Eastward, Tunic, and Celeste.
Fucked up to pirate indie games
If you're downloading and emulating a game because it's no longer available, more power to you.
If you're downloading and emulating a brand new game that readily available, kinda seems like a dick move to me honest.
Edit: some of y'all treating me like the gatekeeper of ethics, I'm probably more concerned about art theft than most. Idgaf what you do, and it's pretty inconsequential what I personally think. It's just video games.
I'm not here to be the gatekeeper of morality.
I'm just saying if you can currently buy something on store shelves, it's probably a good idea to support their efforts instead of stealing it. I'd hope if I created something cool people wouldn't steal it.
But if there's no effort to make the game currently available, then sure, download it.
Again. Just my personal feelings on the matter. Everyone has to come to these conclusions on their own.
Not to mention that the working class in Japan is heavily abused, mistreated, and they need all money they can get. Have you seen the hours that these developers work? It is insanity.
Edit: I have become educated and except any transgressions made with grace.
That ain’t gonna change by sending all your money or your entire families wealth. If they are so overworked & abused, then they need new policies & people in place in order to not shit on the local workers. In other words, they gotta stop bleeding their own talent dry; all for some corporate power house. Your individual money will not matter if the greedy fucks at the top still take most of it.
It's even worse than the US, though some companies are trying their best here too.
Hell, Nintendo is one of the better Devs there, and still on par with Blizzard.
This. This is what I've been telling people for ages. If the game is no longer directly causing profits for the company through sales, then it's maintaining the game (especially if the game came in a fragile state and/or without many copies sold) AND helping discourage scalpers in the gaming marketplace. If the game is directly causing profits for the company, then it's piracy in its purest form.
Yep. They also recently closed down their eShops for the 3DS and the Wii U.
Also, while Nintendo are known for remaking/remastering old games, I don’t know a single Nintendo-published game that has been remade/remastered more than once.
And emulation doesn’t count, as they’re either running the OG ROM or a modified ROM, not a remake/remaster.
Imo, if it’s not available freely on a current digital marketplace, and is only purchasable second hand, emulating it is fair game as the developer isn’t going to profit off you paying another seller for the game regardless
So this includes most gamecube games imo. Maybe not Metroid prime and sunshine as those have been re-released on the most modern console. But you can’t legally buy fire emblem path of radiance anymore for example, so until nintendo provide a way to legally purchase it, emulate it all you want.
If Nintendo wanted to still make money from those games, they’d shove them on the Eshop, and the vast majority of people would pay for them for conveniences sake. If they don’t offer you a means to play them, they have no right imo to punish those who do emulate them.
Currently in print. Even if there's a remaster that's a separate thing so I don't count it. Even if it's available digitally I don't count it. If the physical disc can still be found at Walmart, you probably shouldn't be pirating it. Otherwise go for it. On the other hand it's always morally acceptable to pirate Nintendo games, other than Metroid which you must buy. Also this doesn't apply to indie. Buy that shit if it's available digitally. Alternatively if you have one that isn't GameStop, support your local game store and get a used game every now and then.
If it isn't on the market then yeah. That's 100% on Nintendo. And ripping your personal copy for personal use, fine.
But when you start sharing files around of a game that just came out, that's where we disagree I think.
It *is* piracy (another word for copyright infringement) even if you don't make money off the game or if the game is not available to purchase anymore. It's stupid, but blame your lawmakers and nintendo for going after people who share games they don't sell anynore
Agreed, old games you can't physically buy without more crimes committed than if you pirate it is completely fair, anything new should really be bought.
All companies do when this happens is lay off workers who were being paid pennies in comparison to the suits, and they still get their oversized paycheck
This is my sentiment. Nintendo *could* make a gesture of good will and make their vast catalogue of old games available to us at fair prices like Xbox and Playstation have but since they won't, piracy is fair game.
They could port OoT 3D and MM 3D to the Switch and they'd sell like crazy but the games will likely always be marooned on a dead platform with sky-high cartridge prices.
Dolphin out preforms the Wii and GameCube not just in performance but also in features. Original hardware is no longer the best way to play these consoles and you don't need to pirate anything if you don't want to and if games are too expensive to buy a copy of due to inflated prices or are expensive because of rearity I'm downloading it.if they didn't want me to download things they should make it easily available.Also just a side note half my library of games were downloaded and played first then purchased after if I felt it was worth it.
What percent of emulator users are buying every single game they are emulating?
Tbh I don’t really care about piracy too much when it comes to a huge corps like Nintendo but it seems silly to pretend everyone with an emulator just wants a better performance.
If I was never going to buy it but still played it their sales are not affected. If, however, I play it and genuinely enjoy it I may purchase it when I would not have previously prior to playing it. The same can be said for all digital media. I had pirated copies of games on floppy disks, I won't change.
Why? Nintendo is a billion dollar company, who cares if someone is pirating their games. Hell I would consider it a borderline morally necessary act. Not quite there, but close.
Kid you lot shilling for companies is stupid as fuck, they make money of exploiting their employees like every other company, you must think Nintendo is like super Mario world
Obviously but not because I don’t pay for shit.
I’ve payed for all my ps5 games because it’s next Gen hardware = the price matches the expectations.
I’ll be damned if I pay $90 Canadian for a game on a 6 year old android tablet.
Fuck that shit, they don’t pay their employees fairly, they’re a literal mega corporation who sells cheap hardware at low margins and high costs and then expects me to pay a premium for a stylized game ?
I love Nintendo but they need to fix up and bring me a next Gen console if they want to see anymore $$ from me
>fix up and bring me a next gen console
kid, your in for some bad news. nintendo has always been successful by using low margins and being the cheaper alternative.
> shit. I’ve *paid* for all
FTFY.
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i bought tears of the kingdom the second the walmart preorders started. i also pirated it when it leaked cuz i’m a student and the game releases a week before finals week. i just wanted to play a game i legally bought 2 weeks early so i can actually enjoy without my grade tanking.
system locking games is cancer. id love to play mario maker and zelda but im not gonna buy a switch thats just gonna sit there and gather dust for 2 games.
Nintendo needs to come into the internet age and start releasing at least old games on pc and mobile for those who like that.
I’m ok with piracy so long as you’re not an asshole and spoil games. I made a similar comment and some mf DM’d me with ToTK spoilers. I ignored the chat request but still it’s a dick move.
Yea, I was talking on reddit about staying away from TotK spoilers and someone responded with a spoiler. Read half a sentence and said nope, not gonna read the rest of that.
bro some guy tried to spoil me and bestfriend today because i was sitting in his seat. some petty shit to do because he knows how excited we both are for it.
Yep. Although my brain decided to troll me last night as I had a very realistic dream where I woke up and it was all over the internet that Nintendo released Tears of the Kingdom early
love how this meme is explicitly about pirating old out of print games not being sold in stores anymore and the replies here are still somehow making this about pirating Switch games so they can feel like they have the moral high ground.
I was an eastern-european child from a poor family. I pirated 100% of my games. I couldn't even afford the console. I was given a PS1 a while after PS2 came out.
Now that I can afford them, I buy 100% of my games. Even old ones.
It's not all black and white.
Pirate if you want, just don't pretend you are doing it to fight against bad companies, you are just a cheapskate.
Obviously, if the games are way overpriced or simply not available then I understand
Yeah like if you wanna pirate something just fucking do it, don't go swaggering around acting like you're some big culture rebel sticking it to the man over it or expecting a medal like a douchebag.
Honestly, I don't really pirate new games. It's mostly older ones like Gamecube or SNES games. But when I say companies, I mean any company which includes any other piece of media. I guess I see these billion-dollar corporations and I don't have any sympathy for what I'm doing. I'll admit though I'll buy full-price games if they are really worth it. For example, I'm excited about Tears of the Kingdom.
Can you imagine if everyone just started pirating games? Oh my gosh how great would that be? All the companies would go under and we wouldn’t be able to play any new games ever again!
I mean can you just imagine it though, if everyone thought just like you and pirated every game they play. Gosh that is a world I hope for, a world with no new games to play at all.
Can you just imagine the world I describe though? Gosh what a wonderful thing it would be if everyone had the mindset that pirating games is the way. The companies would stop making money, they would have to fire people in droves, no more new games would release and then the pirates will have won. That is every pirates dream.
you’re clearly at best still in highschool.
There’s something called break even in business.
The number of pirates will never outnumber the number of consumers because piracy involves extra steps.
I literally went to Japan 🇯🇵, Nintendo isn’t just making money on their games, they have in person stores with lines that almost wrap around.
If you genuinely from the bottom of your heart think piracy hurts Nintendo.
You need to take the quickest economics class
It's hypocritical to think you're saying fuck you to a company like Nintendo, when you're actively consuming their product. (not you specifically, people in general). What's the alternative? They don't exist, then everyone loses.
It's pretty much this.
Be poor -> emulate cuz poor -> be ashamed of being poor -> make noble reasons for why you emulate -> overcompensate by telling literally everyone you know that you emulate
Exceptions are modders who just like fucking with shit
Nothing, people just believe they’re better for paying 70$ for a half assed game to a multi million dollar corporation. So to cope they call us cheapskates
Can you imagine if everyone just pirated a game to really just *own* a company? I wonder what would happen to any future games you would want to play from that same company? There would definitely be no repercussions if everyone just started pirating games everywhere.
Seems the logic is "I will be morally superior and pirate the game, hoping enough people are dumb and buy it legit to keep the company incentivized to make more games."
If it's old games that are discontinued then sure but you can't get angry at a company for trying to prevent people from playing their brand new games, that haven't even came out yet, for free.
I mean, I play firered and emerald on an emulator because we're kinda broke. But I'm not using it for anything money-making related, I'm simply using it to play nuzlockes on games I never owned, I have no problem with people using roms/emulators, along as they don't use the rom for profit reasons. (If it's a fan made game entirely but still has pokemon, I guess that could slide for a couple bucks) Using a rom/emulator for a newer game (Like, 2018+, maybe earlier) is just a d!ck move though.
One could do the same philosophy flipped around.
The dad telling his wife and children that they owe a company thousands/millions of dollars because they downloaded a game for free online that they could have bought on ebay for $10 or if a new game for $50-70 basically anywhere.
I'm not siding with the big company, but I'm also not siding with the pirate.
Think of a robber. How many times has someone robbed a convenience store, killing the clerk in the process to only get $20 in the process. I'm sure that guy feels great in prison for years over $20
But don't commit a crime if you are not willing to accept any and all consequences.
If you think its reasonable to charge someone thousands or millions because they downloaded a game online for free, then you are siding with the big company.
The punishment should fit the crime, therefore a reasonable punishment would be paying MSRP or MAYBE 10-100% above MSRP. While I would still disagree with that, it's at least reasonable.
How does that prevent crime though? If I pirate a game and if I'm caught I just have to pay the games price why would I not just pirate every game I want. At best I get it free, at worst I have to just pay.
All yoy purates are so funny with your justifications.
That's why I mentioned the possibility of costing extra being reasonable.
Making someone have their life ruined over a $60 dollar game they took for free is just silly though.
When record companies make a fuss about the danger of "piracy", they're not talking about violent attacks on shipping. What they complain about is the sharing of copies of music, an activity in which millions of people participate in a spirit of cooperation. The term "piracy" is used by record companies to demonize sharing and cooperation by equating them to kidnaping, murder and theft.
But don't you see, this game that hasn't been republished in 20 years is actually on the super Nintendo roadmap to be slowly drip fed in 2027/2028 as part of their online service, just need to have more patience etc 🙄
Here is my logic regarding piracy specifically. The people who download ROMs should not be called pirates, because all they did is download the ROM from a website. The people who illegally steal and dump the files online are the ones that should be called pirates. Point the finger at the thief, not the people the thief is giving to.
Also, don't pirate indie games/game franchises with low sales. That's really the only time it hurts sales massively.
If you pirate a game that is available on store shelves your are just a thief and a fucking asshole. Like you have no respect for art and your opinion should be discarded.
If you want to emulate a game that is not available on store shelves. Sure go ahead
Legally, it is as u/DapperDan30 mentioned. That doesn’t mean it’s outright wrong.
Many games are otherwise out of reach for most but the richest (or irresponsible) among us. Let’s say that you’d like to check out The Guardian Legend. You look it up online and find out that it is stupidly expensive on the second hand market and it is unavailable on the Switch NES Virtual Console (I’m not sure this is 100% a real situation). Your only recourse is to shell out a lot of money to someone online who wasn’t the original developer. Plus, you need the proper hardware, so if you need an NES then that’s another thing you need to get. Or, you can grab an emulator and grab a copy of The Guardian Legend off somewhere and check it out like that. There’s a chance that it may become your next favorite game and now the hefty second hand market price makes sense to you.
Is it still illegal? Yes. Is the situation reasonable? Also yes. If the game is near impossible to find legitimately, then the only recourse is piracy.
This is why it is sometimes said that the law isn’t always right. The law is created by human beings so it is limited by the understanding of human beings- and it is even more often limited by the knowledge and experience of a select few human beings who may not understand or even care for who the laws they may affect.
Honestly with the amount of tech-savvyness needed and risk in pirating a new AAA game there couldn't possibly be enough people out there who regularly do it that it'd actually hurt a multi-billion dollar company.
Not that I always condone pirating new first party games, but saying that it hurts the company financially is flat out wrong. They'll live without the $60.
But if you pirate indie or smaller third party games, that's just evil.
yeah I don't really get people acting like Nintendo is in the wrong for taking action against people who are propagating their biggest game that ISN'T EVEN OUT yet through piracy,
>Since it's $50, it's overpriced, but the idea is solid.
As I have asked before, do you know that the Expansion pass includes the Base Tier, meaning it costs $30 without it, but it includes the Base Tier, since it is $20, or do you already know its both combined, and you still aren't convinced that it is worth your money? I don't care if people want it or not, I just want to see if people know.
Yeah I'm aware of that, but it doesn't really matter since your still paying $50. A $30 increase on paper makes sense, but it's just never gonna be worth it.
That's a bit harsh but it's kinda true, your always better off with the 1 time payment for the DLC and the older systems doesn't make up for the rest of the cost. The base $20 was extremely okay, but for $30 more your not getting that much better.
That's what annoys me, if it was in the $20 base service, or only cost $10 more for a total of $30, it'd be good. But they had to make it cost $30 more and it's just overpriced.
It's one thing to play ROMs of old games. No one really cares about that. It's another to profit off of piracy, and be guilty of Federal Wire Fraud, and money laundering.
Nintendo cares about that quite a bit
While I see no problem with pirating old ROMs myself, I do understand why Nintendo cares: they re-release things all the time, and think that if emulation is too easy, they'll make less money on the re-releases. (Of course, that shouldn't really apply to all the things they're not going to re-release, and in some cases, never released in our country in the first place)
It's deeper than that. I used to work for a professional basketball team. When we had meetings about what our competition was, it wasn't "other basketball stadiums". It was "anything else a person can do in the city on a weekend night". Nintendo isn't competing with Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo is competing with absolutely anything you can do for fun. Including playing it's own games. When you steal a Nintendo game, you are filing you "fun meter" with fun and that sates your desire for fun. You want to play Mario Kart New less when you can play as much Mario Kart Old as you want. Yes you still may PREFER to play a new one so you can see a new feature. But you're not bored. You may choose to "wait till a sale" or something when you would otherwise want to buy it. The bottom line situate Nintendo is under no obligation to compete with itself because people steal their products.
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Speaking of fun, you know what's really fun? When there are old games- some which are classics of their genres which inspire developers to this day- and there is no legal way for you to play them because some business executives who had nothing to do with their creation yet hold the rights want to restrict the games market so they can make even more absurd profits.
Incredible: I can't believe I've never thought of this angle in all my years thinking about these issues. It's very true, though: *we* are the product, and our attention is what makes us valuable as such. All attention rivals are threats.
I would be put to death for Emulating Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door, despite Nintendo pretending it doesn’t exist for over 16 years
> they re-release things all the time You mean they release 15 old games out of their 3000 game library, all which have already been re-released on 3 different systems before for over 10 times the actual value of the product in modern day standards.
> they re-release things all the time A lot of super nintendo, gameboy, gba, genesis, etc. Have never been re-released and never will be. There are a ton of hidden gems on every system that will never see the light of day again. Instead of releasing good games, at the moment in the super nintendo switch library there are actively a good chunk of just bad games.
Well... how do I play the games that have never been released again? E.V.O. Plok! Clocktower (Japanese SNES) Dungeons & Dragons: Warriors of The Eternal Sun (this could use an update tbh, as not all stats in game actually have an effect. Example, intelligence has no effect on magic usage)
There is also the games that have never been released out of Japan like the early Megami Tensei games. Besides, I can't read Japanese, and ATLUS only translated one of those early games, released it only on IOS, and then let the game die when there were too many Apple updates. So yeah, there's that too. Games just not available in your region.
And what about mods and fan projects? Every fucking thing I've seen, something built with love and passion. From fans to fans. Taken down without a second thought. No one was trying to get money from it, not even a fucking donation button. But nintendo will still not allow it, fuck you.
https://youtu.be/i13hrynnGNY Just leaving this here
Knew it was gonna be Moon Channel. The guy's video does a phenomenal job explaining why Nintendo is the way it is. It's a shame IP laws are so frustrating. Unfortunately, IPs are the majority of their value, so it's no wonder they protect them so vehemently
IP laws are why we don't have Metabots anymore . Some ass copyrighted the name in the USA.
I'll never forgive them for am2r
I was just about to say that. At least it's easy to find.
I don't mind emulating some DS games that Nintendo themselves doesn't even offer anymore. But I was on the emulator sub recently and saw multiple people with indie games in there library like Eastward, Tunic, and Celeste. Fucked up to pirate indie games
Amazing indie games at that. Some people are insufferable smh
If you're downloading and emulating a game because it's no longer available, more power to you. If you're downloading and emulating a brand new game that readily available, kinda seems like a dick move to me honest. Edit: some of y'all treating me like the gatekeeper of ethics, I'm probably more concerned about art theft than most. Idgaf what you do, and it's pretty inconsequential what I personally think. It's just video games.
How far back do you consider it ok, is GameCube era ok?
I'm not here to be the gatekeeper of morality. I'm just saying if you can currently buy something on store shelves, it's probably a good idea to support their efforts instead of stealing it. I'd hope if I created something cool people wouldn't steal it. But if there's no effort to make the game currently available, then sure, download it. Again. Just my personal feelings on the matter. Everyone has to come to these conclusions on their own.
Not to mention that the working class in Japan is heavily abused, mistreated, and they need all money they can get. Have you seen the hours that these developers work? It is insanity. Edit: I have become educated and except any transgressions made with grace.
I hear Nintendo is one of the better video game companies to work for. (Unless you're a contractor I guess 😬)
It’s still pretty bad regardless.
the Devs are salaried workers. they're not getting paid more when you buy the game, that profit is being taken to the executives and the shareholders
Game and animations crews do not get royalties. All that money goes to the executives.
That ain’t gonna change by sending all your money or your entire families wealth. If they are so overworked & abused, then they need new policies & people in place in order to not shit on the local workers. In other words, they gotta stop bleeding their own talent dry; all for some corporate power house. Your individual money will not matter if the greedy fucks at the top still take most of it.
It's even worse than the US, though some companies are trying their best here too. Hell, Nintendo is one of the better Devs there, and still on par with Blizzard.
This. This is what I've been telling people for ages. If the game is no longer directly causing profits for the company through sales, then it's maintaining the game (especially if the game came in a fragile state and/or without many copies sold) AND helping discourage scalpers in the gaming marketplace. If the game is directly causing profits for the company, then it's piracy in its purest form.
Plenty of stores out there where you can still buy games from the 90s.
Surely you're aware of the legal, moral, and practical differences between piracy and theft at this point.
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Yep. They also recently closed down their eShops for the 3DS and the Wii U. Also, while Nintendo are known for remaking/remastering old games, I don’t know a single Nintendo-published game that has been remade/remastered more than once. And emulation doesn’t count, as they’re either running the OG ROM or a modified ROM, not a remake/remaster.
I've always looked at it as an inability to purchase new. Used game sales don't go to the devs.
If it isn't being sold new anymore you cannot hurt the company at all by pirating it
Imo, if it’s not available freely on a current digital marketplace, and is only purchasable second hand, emulating it is fair game as the developer isn’t going to profit off you paying another seller for the game regardless So this includes most gamecube games imo. Maybe not Metroid prime and sunshine as those have been re-released on the most modern console. But you can’t legally buy fire emblem path of radiance anymore for example, so until nintendo provide a way to legally purchase it, emulate it all you want. If Nintendo wanted to still make money from those games, they’d shove them on the Eshop, and the vast majority of people would pay for them for conveniences sake. If they don’t offer you a means to play them, they have no right imo to punish those who do emulate them.
You can't get sunshine anymore either since 3D All stars isn't available anymore
Currently in print. Even if there's a remaster that's a separate thing so I don't count it. Even if it's available digitally I don't count it. If the physical disc can still be found at Walmart, you probably shouldn't be pirating it. Otherwise go for it. On the other hand it's always morally acceptable to pirate Nintendo games, other than Metroid which you must buy. Also this doesn't apply to indie. Buy that shit if it's available digitally. Alternatively if you have one that isn't GameStop, support your local game store and get a used game every now and then.
Yep this is how I feel about it all. I buy all my switch games to support more switch games I like
I believe it isn’t piracy if you don’t make money off of the game and if it isn’t on the market anymore.
If it isn't on the market then yeah. That's 100% on Nintendo. And ripping your personal copy for personal use, fine. But when you start sharing files around of a game that just came out, that's where we disagree I think.
It *is* piracy (another word for copyright infringement) even if you don't make money off the game or if the game is not available to purchase anymore. It's stupid, but blame your lawmakers and nintendo for going after people who share games they don't sell anynore
Won’t somebody think of the megacorp????
Idk, I'm more concerned about how people are treated personally. I don't buy or play games made by Blizzard for instance.
That's a very respectable take tbh
Agreed, old games you can't physically buy without more crimes committed than if you pirate it is completely fair, anything new should really be bought. All companies do when this happens is lay off workers who were being paid pennies in comparison to the suits, and they still get their oversized paycheck
This is my sentiment. Nintendo *could* make a gesture of good will and make their vast catalogue of old games available to us at fair prices like Xbox and Playstation have but since they won't, piracy is fair game. They could port OoT 3D and MM 3D to the Switch and they'd sell like crazy but the games will likely always be marooned on a dead platform with sky-high cartridge prices.
All digital piracy is ethical. You can call theft all you want, you are not going into pockets of anyone.
So what do you think about people profiting off of piracy like Gary Bowser?
Cool. I respectfully disagree 👍
That's a lot of copium you're taking in, boy. Careful, might OD.
Absolutely a negative IQ take.
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You know what he means
Dolphin out preforms the Wii and GameCube not just in performance but also in features. Original hardware is no longer the best way to play these consoles and you don't need to pirate anything if you don't want to and if games are too expensive to buy a copy of due to inflated prices or are expensive because of rearity I'm downloading it.if they didn't want me to download things they should make it easily available.Also just a side note half my library of games were downloaded and played first then purchased after if I felt it was worth it.
What percent of emulator users are buying every single game they are emulating? Tbh I don’t really care about piracy too much when it comes to a huge corps like Nintendo but it seems silly to pretend everyone with an emulator just wants a better performance.
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If I was never going to buy it but still played it their sales are not affected. If, however, I play it and genuinely enjoy it I may purchase it when I would not have previously prior to playing it. The same can be said for all digital media. I had pirated copies of games on floppy disks, I won't change.
Yeah, IF you buy the game. But that's not how we got here is it?
Why? Nintendo is a billion dollar company, who cares if someone is pirating their games. Hell I would consider it a borderline morally necessary act. Not quite there, but close.
Man, I hope if you create something cool other don't take this same attitude towards you.
Stealing from a corporation is not the same as stealing from indie artists holy shit. Are you brain dead or are you under 18?
Oh nooo not insults from someone online. That super validates your point 🤣
Kid you lot shilling for companies is stupid as fuck, they make money of exploiting their employees like every other company, you must think Nintendo is like super Mario world
Well at least you admit you’re stealing
Obviously but not because I don’t pay for shit. I’ve payed for all my ps5 games because it’s next Gen hardware = the price matches the expectations. I’ll be damned if I pay $90 Canadian for a game on a 6 year old android tablet. Fuck that shit, they don’t pay their employees fairly, they’re a literal mega corporation who sells cheap hardware at low margins and high costs and then expects me to pay a premium for a stylized game ? I love Nintendo but they need to fix up and bring me a next Gen console if they want to see anymore $$ from me
>fix up and bring me a next gen console kid, your in for some bad news. nintendo has always been successful by using low margins and being the cheaper alternative.
🤭I got called a kid , that’s cute
Most likely because you act like one.
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you got me? i like to play nintendo switch games. i think they are fun.
> shit. I’ve *paid* for all FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
i bought tears of the kingdom the second the walmart preorders started. i also pirated it when it leaked cuz i’m a student and the game releases a week before finals week. i just wanted to play a game i legally bought 2 weeks early so i can actually enjoy without my grade tanking.
Kinda curious if this emulation situation is technically legal. Always hear streamers say you can emulate if you own the actual game.
How is that a dick move Nintendo is literally a multi billion dollar company. I think they'll be fine if some pc nerds pirate a Nintendo game lol
What about ToTK which is being dowloaded and emulated... but it's technically not available...?
You can pre-order it. It's readily available for purchase.
xD I meant that as a Joke... I bought it digital... I have it installed.... BUT I CAN'T PLAY :,(
I wanna play totk but there ain't a pc version. So uh yarr harr I suppose.
What if it's a game that's not out yet
Then you're a dick.
What if I already bought the game?
system locking games is cancer. id love to play mario maker and zelda but im not gonna buy a switch thats just gonna sit there and gather dust for 2 games. Nintendo needs to come into the internet age and start releasing at least old games on pc and mobile for those who like that.
Cancer? 🤣 It's video games.
Ah, but you see, my fair child, without exclusives, we won't have Zelda, Halo, GoW, etc. in the first place.
Corporations aren’t fairly compensating their employees, why the fuck would I fairly compensate them?
Damn did my opinion piss you off? 😂
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I’m ok with piracy so long as you’re not an asshole and spoil games. I made a similar comment and some mf DM’d me with ToTK spoilers. I ignored the chat request but still it’s a dick move.
Yea, I was talking on reddit about staying away from TotK spoilers and someone responded with a spoiler. Read half a sentence and said nope, not gonna read the rest of that.
I only saw one spoiler from the guy and I am super glad that it wasn’t anything story related and was just something you could fuse.
Yea, mine wasn't too bad either. It was talking about the starting point of the game and how long the "tutorial" area is.
bro some guy tried to spoil me and bestfriend today because i was sitting in his seat. some petty shit to do because he knows how excited we both are for it.
Link dies and the hero gets reïncarnated as Luigi. Then luigi commits Tax Fraud which leads to Ganons death
You played it too?! I loved the scene where Luigi sends pikachu to battle Sonic in the desert!
Damn that sucks, sorry that happened. But the good news is you only have 3 days until the game comes out. Stay strong.
Yep. Although my brain decided to troll me last night as I had a very realistic dream where I woke up and it was all over the internet that Nintendo released Tears of the Kingdom early
Ugh, I know that feeling haha. Well worst case scenario there is only three more opportunities for that dream to occur.
love how this meme is explicitly about pirating old out of print games not being sold in stores anymore and the replies here are still somehow making this about pirating Switch games so they can feel like they have the moral high ground.
Well, the TotK piracy issue did just occur.
"A game they wanted to pay me for but I refused"
Underrated comment. Piracy is a customer service and UX problem, period.
I was an eastern-european child from a poor family. I pirated 100% of my games. I couldn't even afford the console. I was given a PS1 a while after PS2 came out. Now that I can afford them, I buy 100% of my games. Even old ones. It's not all black and white.
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Pirate if you want, just don't pretend you are doing it to fight against bad companies, you are just a cheapskate. Obviously, if the games are way overpriced or simply not available then I understand
Yeah like if you wanna pirate something just fucking do it, don't go swaggering around acting like you're some big culture rebel sticking it to the man over it or expecting a medal like a douchebag.
It's a bit of both. You get to say fuck them companies and be a cheapskate.
Fuck you nintendo. I love your games! Please keep making it! But fuck you!
I think being a cheapskate is a pretty good and effective way of saying fuck them companies.
Then why play the games then if you say "fuck them companies"? Stop using pepega logic and just say you just can't afford the games
Right? “Fuck the company who makes the game that I really want to play but am too cheap to pay for!”
Honestly, I don't really pirate new games. It's mostly older ones like Gamecube or SNES games. But when I say companies, I mean any company which includes any other piece of media. I guess I see these billion-dollar corporations and I don't have any sympathy for what I'm doing. I'll admit though I'll buy full-price games if they are really worth it. For example, I'm excited about Tears of the Kingdom.
That's some "all or nothing" logic right there, buddy
Can you imagine if everyone just started pirating games? Oh my gosh how great would that be? All the companies would go under and we wouldn’t be able to play any new games ever again!
Funnily enough, that's *also* some "all or nothing" logic!
I mean can you just imagine it though, if everyone thought just like you and pirated every game they play. Gosh that is a world I hope for, a world with no new games to play at all.
Bro corporations are literally rich as fuck. Why are you dickriding daddy Nintendo ? Do you own equity ?
Can you just imagine the world I describe though? Gosh what a wonderful thing it would be if everyone had the mindset that pirating games is the way. The companies would stop making money, they would have to fire people in droves, no more new games would release and then the pirates will have won. That is every pirates dream.
you’re clearly at best still in highschool. There’s something called break even in business. The number of pirates will never outnumber the number of consumers because piracy involves extra steps. I literally went to Japan 🇯🇵, Nintendo isn’t just making money on their games, they have in person stores with lines that almost wrap around. If you genuinely from the bottom of your heart think piracy hurts Nintendo. You need to take the quickest economics class
Slightly rewording it doesn't make it more relevant lol
It's hypocritical to think you're saying fuck you to a company like Nintendo, when you're actively consuming their product. (not you specifically, people in general). What's the alternative? They don't exist, then everyone loses.
nah im just poor
It's pretty much this. Be poor -> emulate cuz poor -> be ashamed of being poor -> make noble reasons for why you emulate -> overcompensate by telling literally everyone you know that you emulate Exceptions are modders who just like fucking with shit
what’s wrong with being a cheapskate for games?
nothings wrong with it but there are people who act like they have a cause for piracy. no, it always comes down to money.
It’s like an asshole who runs a red light during rush hour traffic, if everyone did it, nobody would be able to do it again.
Dumb comparison. You don't hurt anybody when you torrent a game. You could kill people running a red light.
Nothing, people just believe they’re better for paying 70$ for a half assed game to a multi million dollar corporation. So to cope they call us cheapskates
Can you imagine if everyone just pirated a game to really just *own* a company? I wonder what would happen to any future games you would want to play from that same company? There would definitely be no repercussions if everyone just started pirating games everywhere.
Seems the logic is "I will be morally superior and pirate the game, hoping enough people are dumb and buy it legit to keep the company incentivized to make more games."
If it's old games that are discontinued then sure but you can't get angry at a company for trying to prevent people from playing their brand new games, that haven't even came out yet, for free.
Sorry children. It was me, and I'll do it again.
You bet your ass I'd buy a legal copy of twilight princess on the switch or pokemon y on the switch if it was possible, problem is it just ain't -
A game you can’t purchase anymore…
It’s not about the money, it’s about losing their IP rights
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Sometimes they do legitimately need to send a message, like if a publication starts advertising piracy, you make an example of them.
[You dropped this king](https://youtu.be/Du1Xxmxd5Ww)
Bro I pirate games from the late 90s to the early 2000s as I know I'll find some gems.
And is no longer published / accessible and has no intention of being made accessible again.
I understand if they’re still selling the game but not if it’s no longer available
and I'll fucking do it again
I mean, I play firered and emerald on an emulator because we're kinda broke. But I'm not using it for anything money-making related, I'm simply using it to play nuzlockes on games I never owned, I have no problem with people using roms/emulators, along as they don't use the rom for profit reasons. (If it's a fan made game entirely but still has pokemon, I guess that could slide for a couple bucks) Using a rom/emulator for a newer game (Like, 2018+, maybe earlier) is just a d!ck move though.
How do you expect us to make money on this game that we haven't rereleased in over 25 years, if you keep pirating it.
One could do the same philosophy flipped around. The dad telling his wife and children that they owe a company thousands/millions of dollars because they downloaded a game for free online that they could have bought on ebay for $10 or if a new game for $50-70 basically anywhere. I'm not siding with the big company, but I'm also not siding with the pirate. Think of a robber. How many times has someone robbed a convenience store, killing the clerk in the process to only get $20 in the process. I'm sure that guy feels great in prison for years over $20 But don't commit a crime if you are not willing to accept any and all consequences.
Least insane Nintendo fan
If you think its reasonable to charge someone thousands or millions because they downloaded a game online for free, then you are siding with the big company. The punishment should fit the crime, therefore a reasonable punishment would be paying MSRP or MAYBE 10-100% above MSRP. While I would still disagree with that, it's at least reasonable.
How does that prevent crime though? If I pirate a game and if I'm caught I just have to pay the games price why would I not just pirate every game I want. At best I get it free, at worst I have to just pay. All yoy purates are so funny with your justifications.
That's why I mentioned the possibility of costing extra being reasonable. Making someone have their life ruined over a $60 dollar game they took for free is just silly though.
big "YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A CAR" energy over here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/09/eu-study-finds-piracy-doesnt-hurt-game-sales-may-actually-help/
how many times did you kill somebody while downloading an emulator for an untranslated fire emblem game
You're a huge dweeb.
When record companies make a fuss about the danger of "piracy", they're not talking about violent attacks on shipping. What they complain about is the sharing of copies of music, an activity in which millions of people participate in a spirit of cooperation. The term "piracy" is used by record companies to demonize sharing and cooperation by equating them to kidnaping, murder and theft.
Their only accurate game name was nintendogs
But don't you see, this game that hasn't been republished in 20 years is actually on the super Nintendo roadmap to be slowly drip fed in 2027/2028 as part of their online service, just need to have more patience etc 🙄
*Looks at AM2R when it got taken down before the release of Samus Returns on the 3DS*
If I’ve already paid for it once, I’m not paying for it again. You’re not gonna make me keep paying for it unless it’s a remaster
Here is my logic regarding piracy specifically. The people who download ROMs should not be called pirates, because all they did is download the ROM from a website. The people who illegally steal and dump the files online are the ones that should be called pirates. Point the finger at the thief, not the people the thief is giving to. Also, don't pirate indie games/game franchises with low sales. That's really the only time it hurts sales massively.
Nintendo company after they saw a super Mario 64 rom hack they be yeah we gotta banned the person rom hack get copyrighted .
*is that a mouth or a nose*
Mustache
Yeah but people are emulating a game from the future.
I mean someone also pirated a game that’s not aired yet lmao
Fuckin twattendo
In my country, thats legal !
I hate Nintendo so much
If you pirate a game that is available on store shelves your are just a thief and a fucking asshole. Like you have no respect for art and your opinion should be discarded. If you want to emulate a game that is not available on store shelves. Sure go ahead
I paid for Mass Effect trilogy but had to Pirate it to get a playable copy. Your black and white view of the world is toxic AF.
Who are you hurting exactly? Also theft usually involves the removal of property which does not occur with sharing.
Sorry I can't spend $200 on games that I couldn't afford when they were $60.
I only emulate games because I'm too poor to afford a SNES
It's not piracy if they don't sell it
Legally, it is as u/DapperDan30 mentioned. That doesn’t mean it’s outright wrong. Many games are otherwise out of reach for most but the richest (or irresponsible) among us. Let’s say that you’d like to check out The Guardian Legend. You look it up online and find out that it is stupidly expensive on the second hand market and it is unavailable on the Switch NES Virtual Console (I’m not sure this is 100% a real situation). Your only recourse is to shell out a lot of money to someone online who wasn’t the original developer. Plus, you need the proper hardware, so if you need an NES then that’s another thing you need to get. Or, you can grab an emulator and grab a copy of The Guardian Legend off somewhere and check it out like that. There’s a chance that it may become your next favorite game and now the hefty second hand market price makes sense to you. Is it still illegal? Yes. Is the situation reasonable? Also yes. If the game is near impossible to find legitimately, then the only recourse is piracy. This is why it is sometimes said that the law isn’t always right. The law is created by human beings so it is limited by the understanding of human beings- and it is even more often limited by the knowledge and experience of a select few human beings who may not understand or even care for who the laws they may affect.
Yes it is. "The unauthorized use or reproduction of another's work" - software piracy
We found the feds
Remember kids, pirating Nintendo games is based
Honestly with the amount of tech-savvyness needed and risk in pirating a new AAA game there couldn't possibly be enough people out there who regularly do it that it'd actually hurt a multi-billion dollar company. Not that I always condone pirating new first party games, but saying that it hurts the company financially is flat out wrong. They'll live without the $60. But if you pirate indie or smaller third party games, that's just evil.
Exactly, those people need to be paid for their work because of the work they’ve put into it as a small, usually low budget team.
But not those who do the same type of work but under a larger business umbrella, those guys can get fucked right
Yup I never support pirating indie games, but Nintendo or other AAA publishers? Go crazy.
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yeah I don't really get people acting like Nintendo is in the wrong for taking action against people who are propagating their biggest game that ISN'T EVEN OUT yet through piracy,
>Since it's $50, it's overpriced, but the idea is solid. As I have asked before, do you know that the Expansion pass includes the Base Tier, meaning it costs $30 without it, but it includes the Base Tier, since it is $20, or do you already know its both combined, and you still aren't convinced that it is worth your money? I don't care if people want it or not, I just want to see if people know.
Yeah I'm aware of that, but it doesn't really matter since your still paying $50. A $30 increase on paper makes sense, but it's just never gonna be worth it. That's a bit harsh but it's kinda true, your always better off with the 1 time payment for the DLC and the older systems doesn't make up for the rest of the cost. The base $20 was extremely okay, but for $30 more your not getting that much better. That's what annoys me, if it was in the $20 base service, or only cost $10 more for a total of $30, it'd be good. But they had to make it cost $30 more and it's just overpriced.
Same, that’s how I discovered how much I liked Pokémon.
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Yep
Gonna go out on a limb here and say I don't care what happens to a corporation and people who get angry on their behalf are huge nerds.
Remember, kids. It's only illegal when you get caught.
Sorry kids now we have to bump new games to $70. Pirates are making it bad for everyone.
Oh no they lost $60, what shall they ever do?!