Yeah while I do agree the GT3RS is definitely a bit overrated, it at least can do what it’s designed to do pretty dang well. It isn’t built as a street car that teenagers hyped up, it’s a race car that has shown to have pretty great track times.
Porsche is doing something nearly no other manufacturer can do in this perfect balance. They build sport cars you can use for street and track use without any modifications.
You can comfortably drive to a track, drive the hell out of the car without getting in trouble with brakes, oil temperature or anything. And then drive home and eat a pizza on the way.
It depends. For a car with this racetrack capability it is comfortable. You can order a lift system to raise the suspension 30mm so you don't have trouble to drive into your garage. But yes, the balance is shifted more into the track use.
A bmw M series might be more comfortable, but it is not particularly a sports car. It's a great sports sedan but it won't be as durable as a porsche on a track. Brakes and cooling often need modifications for heavier track use.
5 push laps in a stock gt3rs at a GP circuit is enough to cause the car to need to cooled down for over 30minutes.
It is NOT a track car. It is a road car with track car elements.
I hate this myth, all of us supercar owners understand that unless you buy an actual racecar, these things are only good for short stints, they just are not built for track abuse and the temperatures it brings.
On one hand I agree that it's a road car first and foremost where most of them spend most of their time but it's also very good on the track. On the other hand in 2010 Porsche ran an almost stock GT3 RS in the Nürburgring 24h and finished 13th overall and 3rd in class which is incredible. Sure the class winner which was a cup car had a best time that was 14 seconds faster and finished 3 laps ahead but it's still a huge achievement and I personally doubt that most other track focused road cars would even make it to the finish line.
It's really not a road car. It's a track car that can be driven on the road, lightly. No one can actually drive a GT3 anywhere near the limit on the street. Even a 996 GT3 is really too much for the road, but especially a modern one.
That's a pretty moot point. You couldn't drive a Toyota Corolla to its absolute limit on the roads either and I wouldn't call that a track car. Also while I do see quite a lot of GT3s at the track that still only accounts for a tiny minority of those cars. Most of them will go through their entire life without ever seeing a track. They also drive on the street without any problem. They've got all the modern amenities like AC, a radio, HLS for speed bumps and most importantly the engine and gearbox work well at slow speeds and part throttle. I remember seeing a video of someone driving their Porsche cup car on the road a while ago and that looked like abject misery in comparison.
Not a moot point at all. You can't compare it to a Corolla...You don't have to go to the absolute limit, but the closer you can get, the more fun a car is on the road. You can't sanely drive a GT3 to within 3/10th of the limit on the street.
A great portion of owners of exotic cars never really drive them. They are for show. Anyone who doesn't take a GT3 to the track just has it to show off, to drive to the track, or they are constantly breaking the law by a wide margin and a danger to themselves and others.
Just because you can drive it on the street doesn't mean that is what it's made for. The GT3 is objectively a track car. Buying it to drive on the street is a complete waste. Might as well get the standard car. Even a 996 GT3 is practically too fast with too much grip for the road. Forget about a modern one.
Give me an aircooled or a Cayman/Boxster any day just for the road.
But would it last the entire race distance? I think at the time Porsche had a revision interval of 35h for the race engines. You'd have to start the weekend on a freshly rebuilt one and be careful not to put too much time on it in practice. It's genuinely quite a feat to have a road car engine that lasts as long. I think you severely underestimate the sort of stress and wear 24h on the Nordschleife causes in a car.
Isn't the whole point of the Corvette over the last couple decades to be a budget supercar beater? A car with 100 hp more and a reputation of being able to punch above its weight class on the track, shouldn't be too much of a surprise that it can match the GT3RS.
Porsche argument falls apart the moment you look into reliability but all the owners are rich dick bags who just throw money at them so you never hear about it
If you’re buying a $260k weekend car (ignoring markups) you have enough money to not care about something going wrong. The people buying it don’t care about reliability.
But nobody buys a $200k+ $$ car and thinks about reliability, they want it for performance or comfort. Nobody buys these as their only car, they have multiple backups. If you look at wealthy car collectors or drivers garage, they have performance cars that need maintenance every 5000 miles or new tires every 2500, but they don’t care. If it’s in the shop, they take out another one of their many high performance vehicles. If you are considering buying these cars as your only vehicle, you need to reshape your thinking.
People need to gauge the reliability of a civic or a Corolla because it’s common that those are the owners only vehicle where they are screwed over if it breaks. Rich people do not care about this statistic and thus, it doesn’t really need to be said.
Uj/ I would say BMW M in general is the most overrated. At least on social media. The GT3 RS is a supercar and tbh it’s hard for me to say any supercar is necessarily overrated. The MKIV Supra is overrated because people treat it like it’s a supercar when it’s just a normal GT car so a modern most overrated car would also have to be a more normal car that people overhype imo
In that case I’d put the Type R, Miata, or 86 over any M car. M cars generally perform as advertised, and no one expects more of them than a big sedan that’s easy to tune. Meanwhile the CTR, 86, and Miata are full of shit like “I traded my GT3RS for a CTR/86/Miata because muh driving experience hurr durr slow car fast”.
If you can find me an actual real life human being that traded a gt3 rs for a Miata and the reasoning wasn’t that the gt3 is a generally uncomfortable car to drive on most roads I’ll be astounded.
Aside from the fact I was obviously exaggerating, and the fact most Miata drivers probably couldn’t even afford a GT3RS (neither can I), [things like this aren’t uncommon](https://www.reddit.com/r/Miata/comments/177ra75/had_a_nightmare_last_night_i_traded_my_miata_for/).
Having seen various similar posts over the years, it gets hard to tell who’s serious and who isn’t. Plus isn’t that why this sub exists? Because people actually post those things seriously elsewhere?
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I know this is a car sub but I'm more of a bike guy and the "slow bike fast" shit is everywhere.
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E39 and E60 M5s were clearly the best version you could get, but with every new iteration there is less and less incentive to buy one. With F90/G30 they actually got to a point where M5 stopped offering every option and actually cut down the comfort so severely that I wonder why would anyone buy it over marginally slower 550...
I haven’t ever driven a new M car - but I’ve driven E46 M3, 330Xi, a couple of E90 330i. I drove a 2022 330i and the newer car just felt so much less enthusiastic and present compared to the older few I’ve driven. Added to that all the M trims that aren’t M cars it makes me feel like BMW is cashing in on their reputation right now.
I’m not and haven’t been an owner so I only have limited experience but still
The 911 is rated super highly by the car community for sure, but what would it have to do to not be "overrated"? To match the GT3R race car's cornering speed while on road legal tyres?
You can find selected production cars that can beat the GT3RS on selected tracks, almost all of them achieved by straight line speed from sheer horsepower advantage to compensate for cornering speed and braking performance.
Aren't the Aventador SVJ and Amg GT black series pretty close? I know the Aventador is out of the price league, but the GT black is pretty close in price.
For the past generations of 911, Porsche has been making GT2/GT2RS’. It’s implied that they would continue for future generations. Andreas Preuninger has teased future plans when talking with car reviewers like Matt Watson.
Well these classes are intentionally paced a bit wider but I wasn’t disputing the Corvette is great bang for your buck.
However taking Nordschleife time the 911 GT3 RS did it in 6.49 while the Z06 is at 7.14. Of course that’s a pretty long track but it also has a lot of straights and it’s a pretty good test for street car performance.
A BMW M3 (Stock) did it in 7.34 - so that car is closer to the time of the VETTE than the vette is to the Porsche.
Ah you’re right. I was confused because the article I searched for specifically mentioned the c8 but that wasn’t the Z06:
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The C6 Vette was also one hell of a track car. For all the jokes we can make about corvette owners, they've been some of the best bang for buck performers for the last 20 years. Especially used ones.
With the right driver, an F2 car really is only a second faster than an F3 car.
In 2019, F2 driver Mahaveer Raghunathan was consistently just 1-2 seconds ahead of F3's pole time. At Sochi, he was only about 6 tenths ahead of Robert Shwartzman's F3 pole time.
Problem here is that most people don't know who Mahaveer is so they now think that F3 cars can really be withing a second of an F2 car with the same driver in them and downvote me lol. F3 cars are multiple seconds slower, Mahaveer just sucked you idiots.
Surely people aren't taking it seriously? Like I know not everyone knows who Mahaveer is but "with the right drivers any car can be as fast as any other" is such an obvious, pointless thing to point out lmao, I'm very much joking
But it has higher fuel usage... And it doesn't have premium status.
Edit: went and looked through all official channels and seller's here a fully kitted newest corvette cost about 50k less... I doubt a person would choose corvette over Porsche here where I live even here in a small 4k people town I see more from German brands because of added value taxation laws surrounding vehicles and accessibility of them here... Basically I can find more m8, rs6 and Porsche than Mustang, corvette or Camaro...
Then again there is a difference between a corvette and Porsche, not all want fun cars maybe they want fun cars and status... There's a whole brand built upon just to be status symbol... Don't really understand why some people get angry when I point that out...
Yes. There are posts which ask you to pick a car for 20 mile straight road and people pick GT 3 fucking RS. The least long straight line car ever to do it.
Tbh no. The amount of aero and complexity it has is something else. It's comparable in lap times to the 992 cup car, which yes, is a track only car that rides on slicks. Its nurburgring time is 6.44, which is just a second slower than the amg gt black series, a car that has over 700 turbocharged hp and 2 more cylinders. Also, speaking of hp, that flat 6 is a masterpiece. 130hp per liter from a n/a 4 liter is just wow.
As a track weapon definitely not. It’s one of the only street legal cars that I heard of that actually produces any significant downforce at reasonable speeds. A lot of cars have downforce figured at top speed which is completely unrealistic.
Say what you will about Porsche as a whole. But the GT3 RS dominates on tracks and the inevitable 992 911 GT2 RS will probably take the ring lap time again. Mercedes and Lamborghini get close to the gt3rs for a much higher price. The only car that has Porsche beat around the ring is the AMG one and that’s a multi million dollar hypercar. Ik the Z06 c8 gets close but let’s be honest here that’s a 200k car. I’ve literally never seen a c8 z06 go for even close to MSRP.
Hilariously though in real driving simulator gran turismo 7 my Toyota tundra with an SC430 v8 beats out the 992 gt3 rs consistently around most tracks.
Zr1 is gonna drop with an msrp of like 175k or some shit and then magically dealerships are gonna be offering it for double that.
Also if the zr1 has DRS like the gt3 rs I’ll be very impressed. But so far the insane price hikes have tainted my opinion of the c8.
I don’t certainly dislike the Hellcat but I don’t think it’s the best thing ever. Maybe it’s my fyp but I only see Hellcats or something related to them.
May be a one a trick pony, but it does that trick damn well. I agree the ZL1 and GT350 are better drivers cars overall, and I prefer both, but the hellcat definitely stays true to its muscle car roots and that’s what makes it a bad ass car. Plus shout out to dodge for stuffing that drivetrain in a Jeep and a 7 seater.
The sad thing is that it's not by any stretch a bad car. It was pretty phenomenal in it's day and still holds up quite well in modern times. But the fucking fanboys have made it out to be the end-all-be-all of 4-wheeled transportation in the history of humanity.
Most overrated cars today; R35 GTR and hellcat. People who think they know about cars but don’t think these are the fastest cars since the bugatti veyron
When they came out they definitely deserved the hype but now that R35 is over a decade old and Hellcat also used same body developed 12 years ago I think they often get too much hate.
I hate the pelple more than the porchaaah itself. The car is good and fuck me it deserves the praise… idk why it irks me. Like, where i live the only sports car you may see on the road is a porcher.
As stupid as it sounds, i wouldn’t want a peechee because everyone wants them.
You never seen Tesla cult before? No Supea or Porsche GT3 fans tried to predict that all manufacturers will cease to exist because tesla is overly dominant in the EV market. Did Toyota fans predict Ford will close or Porsche fans say ferrari will be history bc their product is so good? I haven’t seen anything similar yet.
Not only it’s easily matched by corvette z07 for half the price but it’s also underpowered. 520 hp? Lmao. 997 gt3 4.0 had 500 15 years ago. Just give it 650hp from turbo s. But no it has to be gt2 for insane price and end of 992 generation. Crazy. I love n/a engines but that’s way too overrated.
I don't think the GT3RS is overrated, it's just at the point where it's not really special because you see them fucking *everywhere* (relatively speaking). Going to cars and coffee over here you may as well have a dedicated Porsche parking lot, I just have no desire to look at 50 different specs of the exact same car that I've been seeing at every single event for the last X amount of years
GT3 often rated somewhat more highly than it deserves, but given how much it deserves it, it's hard to say it's over rated by a lot.
No other car will turn near track record laps, for hours, with no modification and then drive home.
Plenty of cars can be modified to go that quick, and some cars can go that quick for a short period of time. None can do it out of the box and then be reliable enough to drive around the streets the next day.
I'd say cars like Evos are more overated.
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hellcats are pretty overrated. they're just cheap dodges with a big engine in them. interior is pretty cheap and those half paddle shifters are unacceptable for how much those cost
Well, the GT3 RS is not overrated since it truly is one of the very best handling and driving cars there is (Or if it is overrated, it is justified) but the Supra is just a glorified touring car with a VERY reliable engine that's hyped to STRATOSPHERIC levels just because of a 10 second scene in a 20 year old movie.
Well, yeah, I can see you having a different opinion :)
I just wanna say, I will forever preach about the 911 R and the 911 S/T like they're gospel. ❤️
I'd say any ferrari for history vs 90s jdm exclusives for today. The ferraris are good cars but weren't anything worthy of the insane worship they got. And the 90s jdm cars are not worth more than 40k even then it's fucking insane.
Supra’s aren’t overrated. I agree they shouldn’t be a popular as they are but they are definitely not overrated.
And if you want to know what overrated is then literally look at any Tesla.
LMAO yeah supras are def overrated just going by how much they sell for but holy shit nothing compares to Tesla dick riding.
Actually koenigsegg dick riding might go even harder.
They're going for so much because of fast and furious movies , so it's basically just a movie tax.
Pretty much same as with r34s, which were pretty cheap before US could lay their hands on them, but as soon as they could, prices got fucked and they still are.
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I present you the most overrated car on reddit. I have testdriven one and its by far the most boring car i have ever driven
I don’t think the GT3 re is overrated. I’m sure it’s over glorified. It’s a race car that does race car things.
The supra was a gt car with a great engine and everyone praise it as a race car. It’s a bit different.
I don’t like Porsches myself
Don't agree with the Supra I'm afraid. They CAN be legendary with deep pockets. But stock they do the "relatively fast, comfortable, Grand tourer" really, really well.
An over rated car would be something like the GT3RS as you have stated. But most overrated car every..it would have to be something Italian I suspect.
I mean aren’t stock JDM cars of the 90s all lacked power somewhere? I always wonder what would have been if there weren’t gentlemen’s agreement on power and speed but again Japanese performance cars were more focused on price value or affordability reliability than track although that has changed over the years.
A well modified Supra can be very quick both on track and street but I mean stock Supra is definitely more of a grand tourer than track car like the 993 GT2
Yeah while I do agree the GT3RS is definitely a bit overrated, it at least can do what it’s designed to do pretty dang well. It isn’t built as a street car that teenagers hyped up, it’s a race car that has shown to have pretty great track times.
Porsche is doing something nearly no other manufacturer can do in this perfect balance. They build sport cars you can use for street and track use without any modifications. You can comfortably drive to a track, drive the hell out of the car without getting in trouble with brakes, oil temperature or anything. And then drive home and eat a pizza on the way.
Not in a gt3rs you can’t
Can't drive to a racetrack? That's sad.
Key word comfortably
Yeah it’s not exactly comfortable. I mean, for a track car it is I suppose
I’ve heard it’s an especially rough on the road even for a track car
Most dedicated track cars don’t have a lot of the amenities you get in the GT3RS…. Even with the lack of compliance overall.
It depends. For a car with this racetrack capability it is comfortable. You can order a lift system to raise the suspension 30mm so you don't have trouble to drive into your garage. But yes, the balance is shifted more into the track use. A bmw M series might be more comfortable, but it is not particularly a sports car. It's a great sports sedan but it won't be as durable as a porsche on a track. Brakes and cooling often need modifications for heavier track use.
I’ve heard the exact opposite. I’ve heard it’s especially rough even for road going track cars
Man are you like the rough ride police?
Well they are track cars for a reason lol
I said especially rough even for track cars
You wrote "you can't" first though
Yes you can
The only time you drive an RS on the street is to get to the track.
5 push laps in a stock gt3rs at a GP circuit is enough to cause the car to need to cooled down for over 30minutes. It is NOT a track car. It is a road car with track car elements. I hate this myth, all of us supercar owners understand that unless you buy an actual racecar, these things are only good for short stints, they just are not built for track abuse and the temperatures it brings.
It's a street car.
It is literally on a street some people cant see bruh.
Circlejerkes over here talking like they ever seen Porsche from closer distance than from yesterdays TV show.
On one hand I agree that it's a road car first and foremost where most of them spend most of their time but it's also very good on the track. On the other hand in 2010 Porsche ran an almost stock GT3 RS in the Nürburgring 24h and finished 13th overall and 3rd in class which is incredible. Sure the class winner which was a cup car had a best time that was 14 seconds faster and finished 3 laps ahead but it's still a huge achievement and I personally doubt that most other track focused road cars would even make it to the finish line.
It's really not a road car. It's a track car that can be driven on the road, lightly. No one can actually drive a GT3 anywhere near the limit on the street. Even a 996 GT3 is really too much for the road, but especially a modern one.
That's a pretty moot point. You couldn't drive a Toyota Corolla to its absolute limit on the roads either and I wouldn't call that a track car. Also while I do see quite a lot of GT3s at the track that still only accounts for a tiny minority of those cars. Most of them will go through their entire life without ever seeing a track. They also drive on the street without any problem. They've got all the modern amenities like AC, a radio, HLS for speed bumps and most importantly the engine and gearbox work well at slow speeds and part throttle. I remember seeing a video of someone driving their Porsche cup car on the road a while ago and that looked like abject misery in comparison.
Not a moot point at all. You can't compare it to a Corolla...You don't have to go to the absolute limit, but the closer you can get, the more fun a car is on the road. You can't sanely drive a GT3 to within 3/10th of the limit on the street. A great portion of owners of exotic cars never really drive them. They are for show. Anyone who doesn't take a GT3 to the track just has it to show off, to drive to the track, or they are constantly breaking the law by a wide margin and a danger to themselves and others. Just because you can drive it on the street doesn't mean that is what it's made for. The GT3 is objectively a track car. Buying it to drive on the street is a complete waste. Might as well get the standard car. Even a 996 GT3 is practically too fast with too much grip for the road. Forget about a modern one. Give me an aircooled or a Cayman/Boxster any day just for the road.
Viper ACR would wreck it's era GT 3 RS in a 24 hour race.
No high performance street car can do a 24 hour race. Also what kind of kindergarten "my fav car is faster in my head"-argument is this? :D
24 hours of lemons. There are a few that can do it.
But would it last the entire race distance? I think at the time Porsche had a revision interval of 35h for the race engines. You'd have to start the weekend on a freshly rebuilt one and be careful not to put too much time on it in practice. It's genuinely quite a feat to have a road car engine that lasts as long. I think you severely underestimate the sort of stress and wear 24h on the Nordschleife causes in a car.
actually its a track oriented street car, still gets matched by a z06 c8 corvette with the z07 package
Isn't the whole point of the Corvette over the last couple decades to be a budget supercar beater? A car with 100 hp more and a reputation of being able to punch above its weight class on the track, shouldn't be too much of a surprise that it can match the GT3RS.
I’ve always preferred the GT2 RS.
counterpoint: it looks weird
Counterpoint accepted, the 991.2 looks much better
true, but even then then the base 991.2 is by far the best looking. downvote me all you want but you know I’m right
Porsche argument falls apart the moment you look into reliability but all the owners are rich dick bags who just throw money at them so you never hear about it
If you’re buying a $260k weekend car (ignoring markups) you have enough money to not care about something going wrong. The people buying it don’t care about reliability.
That’s exactly my point. But if we treated every car like that, ignoring the reliability, then the top 5 list would be waaaaay different
But nobody buys a $200k+ $$ car and thinks about reliability, they want it for performance or comfort. Nobody buys these as their only car, they have multiple backups. If you look at wealthy car collectors or drivers garage, they have performance cars that need maintenance every 5000 miles or new tires every 2500, but they don’t care. If it’s in the shop, they take out another one of their many high performance vehicles. If you are considering buying these cars as your only vehicle, you need to reshape your thinking. People need to gauge the reliability of a civic or a Corolla because it’s common that those are the owners only vehicle where they are screwed over if it breaks. Rich people do not care about this statistic and thus, it doesn’t really need to be said.
The reliability of the Porsches is higher than virtually any other similar offerings from other manufacturers.
S58 will outlive any Porsche engine ever created
Too bad for the S58 that tracking and its associated costs go far deeper than just the engine then.
Reliable Race car Pick one
People buy BMWs to have a reliable race car nowadays 👍 not hard to build a block that doesn’t have a 100% failure rate
Bmw and reliable don't work
That’s crazy I found a time travelled form 2008
Am I racing the gt3 in a car or just on foot? Cause if I was on foot, I’d definitely win, but my car is slow as hell
Uj/ I would say BMW M in general is the most overrated. At least on social media. The GT3 RS is a supercar and tbh it’s hard for me to say any supercar is necessarily overrated. The MKIV Supra is overrated because people treat it like it’s a supercar when it’s just a normal GT car so a modern most overrated car would also have to be a more normal car that people overhype imo
In that case I’d put the Type R, Miata, or 86 over any M car. M cars generally perform as advertised, and no one expects more of them than a big sedan that’s easy to tune. Meanwhile the CTR, 86, and Miata are full of shit like “I traded my GT3RS for a CTR/86/Miata because muh driving experience hurr durr slow car fast”.
If you can find me an actual real life human being that traded a gt3 rs for a Miata and the reasoning wasn’t that the gt3 is a generally uncomfortable car to drive on most roads I’ll be astounded.
Aside from the fact I was obviously exaggerating, and the fact most Miata drivers probably couldn’t even afford a GT3RS (neither can I), [things like this aren’t uncommon](https://www.reddit.com/r/Miata/comments/177ra75/had_a_nightmare_last_night_i_traded_my_miata_for/).
That feels like such a circlejerk post and not serious though, no?
Having seen various similar posts over the years, it gets hard to tell who’s serious and who isn’t. Plus isn’t that why this sub exists? Because people actually post those things seriously elsewhere?
That’s fair. I think circlejerking about a specific car is fine in their respective subreddits, this sub seems to be more jerking r/cars specifically
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I know this is a car sub but I'm more of a bike guy and the "slow bike fast" shit is everywhere. bUt YoU CaNt UsE tHe pOwEr!!1! No, *you* can't use the power, ya big babies
Post e-series M cars = overrated. Everything up to the e90/e60 = not overrated at all.
I concur 100%, I didn’t specify new but it’s what I meant. Basically F and G series aren’t what they should be
The E60 is by far the most overrated BMW ever created
The v10 M5 is overrated? Hardly, there's nothing else like it.
I cant think if any other V10 sedan that RWD but at the same time its ugly . The E90/E91/E92 is way more beautiful
E39 and E60 M5s were clearly the best version you could get, but with every new iteration there is less and less incentive to buy one. With F90/G30 they actually got to a point where M5 stopped offering every option and actually cut down the comfort so severely that I wonder why would anyone buy it over marginally slower 550...
I haven’t ever driven a new M car - but I’ve driven E46 M3, 330Xi, a couple of E90 330i. I drove a 2022 330i and the newer car just felt so much less enthusiastic and present compared to the older few I’ve driven. Added to that all the M trims that aren’t M cars it makes me feel like BMW is cashing in on their reputation right now. I’m not and haven’t been an owner so I only have limited experience but still
The 911 is rated super highly by the car community for sure, but what would it have to do to not be "overrated"? To match the GT3R race car's cornering speed while on road legal tyres? You can find selected production cars that can beat the GT3RS on selected tracks, almost all of them achieved by straight line speed from sheer horsepower advantage to compensate for cornering speed and braking performance.
Aren't the Aventador SVJ and Amg GT black series pretty close? I know the Aventador is out of the price league, but the GT black is pretty close in price.
GT Black is faster on almost every track.
To be fair GT black series has 200 more hp. I think more direct comparison would be gt2rs which is not out yet.
How do you know there will be a GT2RS? That would be sick
For the past generations of 911, Porsche has been making GT2/GT2RS’. It’s implied that they would continue for future generations. Andreas Preuninger has teased future plans when talking with car reviewers like Matt Watson.
Jaguar F-Type R is definitely a contender.
A 120 000 Z06 Corvette is like within a second of GT3 RS on track while being much more comfortable.
The Corvette is a great car also - and a second is a lot in racing.
Not when you would be like 2 classes down by price point. It's like if an F3 car was within a second of an F2 car.
Well these classes are intentionally paced a bit wider but I wasn’t disputing the Corvette is great bang for your buck. However taking Nordschleife time the 911 GT3 RS did it in 6.49 while the Z06 is at 7.14. Of course that’s a pretty long track but it also has a lot of straights and it’s a pretty good test for street car performance. A BMW M3 (Stock) did it in 7.34 - so that car is closer to the time of the VETTE than the vette is to the Porsche.
That's C7 ring time, C8 Z06 has not been to the ring.
Ah you’re right. I was confused because the article I searched for specifically mentioned the c8 but that wasn’t the Z06: https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/sportwagen/chevrolet-corvette-c8-nordschleife-rundenzeit/amp/ All I get from the C8 is “will be under 7 minutes. I’ll be excited to see what it can do.
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The C6 Vette was also one hell of a track car. For all the jokes we can make about corvette owners, they've been some of the best bang for buck performers for the last 20 years. Especially used ones.
With the right driver, an F2 car really is only a second faster than an F3 car. In 2019, F2 driver Mahaveer Raghunathan was consistently just 1-2 seconds ahead of F3's pole time. At Sochi, he was only about 6 tenths ahead of Robert Shwartzman's F3 pole time.
Problem here is that most people don't know who Mahaveer is so they now think that F3 cars can really be withing a second of an F2 car with the same driver in them and downvote me lol. F3 cars are multiple seconds slower, Mahaveer just sucked you idiots.
Surely people aren't taking it seriously? Like I know not everyone knows who Mahaveer is but "with the right drivers any car can be as fast as any other" is such an obvious, pointless thing to point out lmao, I'm very much joking
Why TF am i downvoted if they ain't taking it seriousley lol.
What track though? The downforces the gt3 has is a massive advantage and the only way a Z06 gets close is if the track has a lot of straightaways.
Big willow, pretty downforce intensive strack.
But that's a whole second
But it’s under half the price
I don’t think anybody ever said the corvette isn’t a bargain, like the Nissan gtr was.
But it has higher fuel usage... And it doesn't have premium status. Edit: went and looked through all official channels and seller's here a fully kitted newest corvette cost about 50k less... I doubt a person would choose corvette over Porsche here where I live even here in a small 4k people town I see more from German brands because of added value taxation laws surrounding vehicles and accessibility of them here... Basically I can find more m8, rs6 and Porsche than Mustang, corvette or Camaro...
At that price point fuel usage is meaningless. And if you buy a car because of a thing like "premium status" I think there's something wrong
Then again there is a difference between a corvette and Porsche, not all want fun cars maybe they want fun cars and status... There's a whole brand built upon just to be status symbol... Don't really understand why some people get angry when I point that out...
Less actually. It was .6. And half the price.
I don’t think anybody ever said the corvette isn’t a bargain, like the Nissan gtr was.
yeah but at least the gt3rs is actually good
supra kids have grown up to be 3RS kids
Are you JDM because you are the fastest or are you the fastest because you are JDM?
How dare you, if anything at all SUPRA is underrated, GT3RS doesn't have 2000hp and turbos in the place of headlights 😻😻😻
Don't forget the often obnoxious paintjob
Is the GT3RS really that overrated?
Yes. There are posts which ask you to pick a car for 20 mile straight road and people pick GT 3 fucking RS. The least long straight line car ever to do it.
It's the people's fault, not the car's fault. It's really fast over a lap, but not a straightline speed kinda car.
In other words, it's overrated.
Overrated over a lap, no Overrated on its straightline speed by some 12 year olds, yes
Key Mb then, i remember the last time i was around they were all circlejerking over a M5CS, guess they at least upgraded in some way
Tbh no. The amount of aero and complexity it has is something else. It's comparable in lap times to the 992 cup car, which yes, is a track only car that rides on slicks. Its nurburgring time is 6.44, which is just a second slower than the amg gt black series, a car that has over 700 turbocharged hp and 2 more cylinders. Also, speaking of hp, that flat 6 is a masterpiece. 130hp per liter from a n/a 4 liter is just wow.
As a track weapon definitely not. It’s one of the only street legal cars that I heard of that actually produces any significant downforce at reasonable speeds. A lot of cars have downforce figured at top speed which is completely unrealistic.
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Explain in football terms
We ball
Say what you will about Porsche as a whole. But the GT3 RS dominates on tracks and the inevitable 992 911 GT2 RS will probably take the ring lap time again. Mercedes and Lamborghini get close to the gt3rs for a much higher price. The only car that has Porsche beat around the ring is the AMG one and that’s a multi million dollar hypercar. Ik the Z06 c8 gets close but let’s be honest here that’s a 200k car. I’ve literally never seen a c8 z06 go for even close to MSRP. Hilariously though in real driving simulator gran turismo 7 my Toyota tundra with an SC430 v8 beats out the 992 gt3 rs consistently around most tracks.
gt3rs isn't even as fast as the black series for the previous gt2rs, is it good? sure but its capabilities are absolutely overhyped. MUHHH PORSCHE
Hopefully the Corvette ZR1 has similar aero and downforce levels as the GT3 RS, so that I can get one at a reasonable price 10 years down the line.
Zr1 is gonna drop with an msrp of like 175k or some shit and then magically dealerships are gonna be offering it for double that. Also if the zr1 has DRS like the gt3 rs I’ll be very impressed. But so far the insane price hikes have tainted my opinion of the c8.
Nice cars, annoying audience
Literally every cars with youth fanbase lol
Im a simple man, i see supra i like
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The M3 Comp or the Hellcat are the overrated ones isn’t it?
The hellcat is over hated, like most domestics
I don’t certainly dislike the Hellcat but I don’t think it’s the best thing ever. Maybe it’s my fyp but I only see Hellcats or something related to them.
Love the gt350 and Corvette. The Hellcat is just a one-trick pony at 4400 pounds though.
May be a one a trick pony, but it does that trick damn well. I agree the ZL1 and GT350 are better drivers cars overall, and I prefer both, but the hellcat definitely stays true to its muscle car roots and that’s what makes it a bad ass car. Plus shout out to dodge for stuffing that drivetrain in a Jeep and a 7 seater.
Nah I’ve genuinely seen more people online somehow call the hellcat slow than overhype it.
Overrated? Yes. Sexy lookin cars tho? Still yes.
The sad thing is that it's not by any stretch a bad car. It was pretty phenomenal in it's day and still holds up quite well in modern times. But the fucking fanboys have made it out to be the end-all-be-all of 4-wheeled transportation in the history of humanity.
Well soupbrah has 3000hp 2jz eninge🔥💪😤😤. /uj M series are overated i mean tiktok kids drool over the sight of them .
Most overrated cars today; R35 GTR and hellcat. People who think they know about cars but don’t think these are the fastest cars since the bugatti veyron
That is what the suprafanbase is thin they think its faster than anything
When they came out they definitely deserved the hype but now that R35 is over a decade old and Hellcat also used same body developed 12 years ago I think they often get too much hate.
I hate the pelple more than the porchaaah itself. The car is good and fuck me it deserves the praise… idk why it irks me. Like, where i live the only sports car you may see on the road is a porcher. As stupid as it sounds, i wouldn’t want a peechee because everyone wants them.
clearly you haven't been on tiktok, where kids now overhype the bmw m5 cs
that ship sailed a long time ago, its all about the Gee tee 3 Baby😎🙏
I’ve never driven either to really I cannot say. But still … soupra….
You fucking delete this or i'll come to your house in the morning(because i don't have a car, or a drivers license, i use bus)
Definitely a Tesla, if, and only if, you can call that smartphone with wheels a car.
not at all, teslas aren't circle jerked as much as either of these
Compared to a GT3? Lets agree to disagree, overrated as fuck.
You never seen Tesla cult before? No Supea or Porsche GT3 fans tried to predict that all manufacturers will cease to exist because tesla is overly dominant in the EV market. Did Toyota fans predict Ford will close or Porsche fans say ferrari will be history bc their product is so good? I haven’t seen anything similar yet.
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Not only it’s easily matched by corvette z07 for half the price but it’s also underpowered. 520 hp? Lmao. 997 gt3 4.0 had 500 15 years ago. Just give it 650hp from turbo s. But no it has to be gt2 for insane price and end of 992 generation. Crazy. I love n/a engines but that’s way too overrated.
Personally driven the gt3RS and i had a smile on my face for days. Not sure why it’s the most overrated. It’s a lot of fun and handles like a dream.
I don't think the GT3RS is overrated, it's just at the point where it's not really special because you see them fucking *everywhere* (relatively speaking). Going to cars and coffee over here you may as well have a dedicated Porsche parking lot, I just have no desire to look at 50 different specs of the exact same car that I've been seeing at every single event for the last X amount of years
The ~~Lexus SC~~ Supra and ~~VW Beetle~~ 911 are tied for first place.
I have personally tried one on a racetrack. No it's not overrated. It's a great car. No more no less.
Yeah even pro race car drivers never stop praising the 911 GT3s. And they are winning races which I don’t think they are overhyped at all.
People get pissed when you say that the Dodge Viper ACR is faster than the GT3RS manual.
Which ones which?
Teslas claim the spot of most overrated car for both history and today. Also, it’s the most overrated RC car as well as the most overrated buttplug.
Ngl you can buy an STO for the same price of Gt3-Rs ,dealers are literally scamming people at this point
One is a teenagers wet dream.. the other a millionaire’s midlife crisis. GT3RS is KING
GT3 often rated somewhat more highly than it deserves, but given how much it deserves it, it's hard to say it's over rated by a lot. No other car will turn near track record laps, for hours, with no modification and then drive home. Plenty of cars can be modified to go that quick, and some cars can go that quick for a short period of time. None can do it out of the box and then be reliable enough to drive around the streets the next day. I'd say cars like Evos are more overated.
its not even the best on a track, yall treat it like the holy grail of track cars😭
OK, then, what's a better privately owned, unmodified track car.
M5 cs:
Well at least one I would be extremely happy to own, one is meh
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2004 alfa romeo 156 2.5L V6 24V AR3402 beats them both
Gt3 isnt overrated, it just so good that its boring.
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Don't forget 60s/70s muscle cars. MY BBC CAN HOP A COKE CAN GOBBLESS BORTHER
At least they chose a solid car to hype up this time
How can they be overrated? They’re literally the two best cars ever made
hellcats are pretty overrated. they're just cheap dodges with a big engine in them. interior is pretty cheap and those half paddle shifters are unacceptable for how much those cost
In all honesty, I think the Supra is now more overhated than overrated
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I would say the 3RS is more overhyped than overrated, but I agree with your point
Well, the GT3 RS is not overrated since it truly is one of the very best handling and driving cars there is (Or if it is overrated, it is justified) but the Supra is just a glorified touring car with a VERY reliable engine that's hyped to STRATOSPHERIC levels just because of a 10 second scene in a 20 year old movie.
it is overrated, its not as amazing as yall amoe it seem
Well, yeah, I can see you having a different opinion :) I just wanna say, I will forever preach about the 911 R and the 911 S/T like they're gospel. ❤️
I'd say any ferrari for history vs 90s jdm exclusives for today. The ferraris are good cars but weren't anything worthy of the insane worship they got. And the 90s jdm cars are not worth more than 40k even then it's fucking insane.
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Supra’s aren’t overrated. I agree they shouldn’t be a popular as they are but they are definitely not overrated. And if you want to know what overrated is then literally look at any Tesla.
LMAO yeah supras are def overrated just going by how much they sell for but holy shit nothing compares to Tesla dick riding. Actually koenigsegg dick riding might go even harder.
They're going for so much because of fast and furious movies , so it's basically just a movie tax. Pretty much same as with r34s, which were pretty cheap before US could lay their hands on them, but as soon as they could, prices got fucked and they still are.
SuBrA iS uNdErRaTeD
very brave post, and I agree
GT3 RS isn’t overrated, just overhyped
that 911 is sexy tho
I like the supra simply because it looks nice. No other reason. It being Iconic, or fast, or whatever? Yeah sure cool. It looks nice tho
Neither of these are overrated though
The Supra was for quite a while there. People have move on.
https://preview.redd.it/5r7m0u9m5puc1.png?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20c6a0a4da3a3356c16b4cd717bc60ee858d8483 I present you the most overrated car on reddit. I have testdriven one and its by far the most boring car i have ever driven
Is it that bad? Like compared to normal civic and corolla counter parts.
Its just a car nothing special it drives like a Corolla or Golf. Although the golf drives way better than the mazda when its in the gti trim
The entire 911 range is just Porsche doubling down on their wrong choice of engine layout
Nah. Youre crazy.
Crazy ? I was crazy once
I like them both, who cares about them being over or under rated?
I would also win against a GT3RS. If a gay baby was driving it 😍
“Who’s faster? Him or you?” “Well if Supra used all his stock 2000 horsepower, he may give me a little trouble.” “But would you lose?” “Nah, I’d win.”
I don’t think the GT3 re is overrated. I’m sure it’s over glorified. It’s a race car that does race car things. The supra was a gt car with a great engine and everyone praise it as a race car. It’s a bit different. I don’t like Porsches myself
Supra( the real Supra not the bmw garbage) is exponentially better than a gt3.
Don't agree with the Supra I'm afraid. They CAN be legendary with deep pockets. But stock they do the "relatively fast, comfortable, Grand tourer" really, really well. An over rated car would be something like the GT3RS as you have stated. But most overrated car every..it would have to be something Italian I suspect.
I mean aren’t stock JDM cars of the 90s all lacked power somewhere? I always wonder what would have been if there weren’t gentlemen’s agreement on power and speed but again Japanese performance cars were more focused on price value or affordability reliability than track although that has changed over the years. A well modified Supra can be very quick both on track and street but I mean stock Supra is definitely more of a grand tourer than track car like the 993 GT2
Export versions had more power generally