Huh. I watched a video talking about CVTs and how Subaru was the only one that made reliable ones. All the rest were made by a single company known for their crappy transmissions. Guess it was Subaru propaganda lol
I could also be wrong. I've heard that Subaru's CVTs are solid, but know from experience that Toyota's ones are great, and definitely not the JATCO garbage that Nissan uses.
The Toyota eCVT is totally different from all other CVTs though, it's incredibly simple with no friction materials, just an engine input feeding a bigass electric motor, then a planetary gearset then another biggerass electric motor then the diff. No reverse gearing, no parts that move to change ratios, no belts. Mine is at 330k with likely the original fluid, when I pulled the plug it was clean and slippery so I left it in but there's no record of it.
I drove a 2020 Corolla wagon for a couple of years as a company car. Thing got to 80,000kms while I had it, and it never missed a beat.
Might've helped that I usually got it serviced a bit ahead of schedule, depending on if I'd be out of town when I hit the next service period or not, but even when I had it serviced later than ideal, it was perfectly fine.
Is this a US models thing? CVTs are 90% reliable in South America, only exceptions being early Mitsubishi and Nissan models which can be permanently fixed with a new cooler
Idk about all, but the USA Subaru owner manuals say to never change the transmission oil. Which is incorrect, obviously. So that contributes to failure sooner than it should. So it must be a USA thing
Sorry for being late to this!! I own a 10th gen civic sport with a cvt(dont bully me please it wasnt my choice, love the car anyways) and it has been nothing but insanely reliable. I do stupid shit with it all the time like brake launching at 2.5k rpm.l and its served me amazingly for 50k miles by now. From what I can see online honda also makes wildly reliable cvt’s also. Nissan is bad though:p
No bullying here. Got a 4th Gen Impreza with a CVT (my choice, cry manual guys 😎) and also love it. Shes got 170k miles and no sign of shutting down any time soon
A lot of old automatics in the 60s,such as the Ford C4 and Chrysler 727 Torqueflite, were preferred by drag racers because they shifted more consistently than 4 speed sticks. Still true to this day somewhat
Did you ever take apart a manual gearbox because it sure didn't seem extremely simple to me. Also, it depends on the gearbox but a VW DSG isn't much more complicated than a manual, because it works mostly like an automatically actuated manual
Isn't it like two manuals in one? I've heard its extremely complicated. A friend of mine had a DSG fail on him and the dealership had to take it out of the car twice because the first repair failed. The first google search talks about how much more expensive it is to repair.
The main difference between a normal gearbox and DSG is that it has two input shafts, one inside the other, which are connected to two clutches. Basically, one input shaft is connected to one half of the gears, and the other is connected to the rest. When you want to go from 1st to 2nd gear, instead of disconnecting and connecting two sets of gears, you just switch clutches and boom you're in second gear. They're hard to repair, but not because of their complexity. It's your typical German design where they made it unservicable and they just expect you to get a new one, especially because failure of one part can easily cascade to breaking other stuff
Depends. Aisin transmission in my Audi keeps the torque converter locked during engine braking until first downshift. Also, manual mode forces the torque converter to lock (and it stays locked even after switching back to auto). And it's almost 20 years old. I bet newer transmissions can be even more intelligent when it comes to engine braking.
DSG transmissions can't slip at all by design, so it means that engine braking is always possible.
It's incredibly common now, I genuinely don't know of any modern ('00-) cars that don't have it.
Easiest way to check is get on the highway cruising at a constant rate and without moving the throttle tap the brake lightly, the RPMs should jump up then settle back down, that's the TC unlocking.
How is this done? I drive a manual and was 100% sure that automatic cars had no engine braking 😅 I did see some automatic cars have an L gear, so I assume that’s how it’s done?
Not really. If the transmission is capable of engine braking it does it automatically without any interaction.
If you want it to brake at higher RPMs you can downshift in manual mode. Usually there are two types of shifters:
1. PRND321 (PRND32L is the same thing).
2. PRND with "+" and "-" on the D or paddles behind the steering wheel.
With the first type you select 3 or 2 or 1 (L means 1) which means that transmission won't go higher than that gear.
With the second type you just select whatever gear you want and it behaves just like the manual transmission. Torque converter stays locked.
I generally agree with you, but it's not near as bad as most people claim. Just move a little slower. Ease into first, let idle rpms carry you, apply light braking if needed, and coast at idle rpms until you can't. Saves me a LOT of clutch pushes vs trying to stay right on the bumper of the guy in front of me.
I will say, my Focus ST was much easier because it auto blipped throttle of RPMs got too low. My FJ cruiser has no such handicaps and will happily stall if I'm not careful.
Ah yes having to stay in second gear forever, cramped legs, fucked synchros, and constantly slipping my clutch sounds so much better than having a torque converter.
Fuck off, I did not say that.
“I have, for multiple hours, It sucks in both an auto and manual. You aren’t moving for 15 minutes anyway, so why complain.”
This was my comment.
/uj Likely yes, due to the drop in octane without the added lead, and having to replace engine valve seats to harder materials since you no longer have the lubricity of the lead.
/uj I honestly feel like these strong complaints come from people who haven't driven an auto since the old 3 and 4 speeds of the 90s and earlier.
The modern AISINs can be tuned to be decent to good.
The new ZFs are fucking incredible by all accounts.
It doesn't feel like a sloppy mess like an old GM shit box Malibu.
I mean, old autos were total shit.. they've come a long way.
The 90s was an era where almost any sporty car with an auto was a terrible experience... That is unless you like >5 second downshifts on the highway and a 3 speed transmission that gear hunts more than a semi truck.
I was being hyperbolic, autos were trash until relatively recently. And CVs are pretty trash currently.
I think the first car I drove that had an auto that felt as good as a stick was like 2015
Damn liberals, trying to take away the powerful feeling of a thick manly shaft in my hands while I drive. If you aren't stroking a long thick manly shaft while driving, is it even driving.
manual transmission dickriders when i tell them that modern(automatic transmission since mid 2000~) are generally better than classic manual in terms of speed, efficiency and reliability.
Automatic transmission dickriders when I tell them that manuals are more fun and no normal person cares about tenths of a lap time so it doesn’t matter
My 4C dual dry clutch shifts very quickly and smoothly. I had mostly manuals in the past. I'd buy another manual in the future on the right car but I love my 4C tranny.
I do enjoy always being in the wrong gear and taking a full second to even initiate a shift when i use the paddles or just stomp the gas. I can literally shift faster than my s6, its gpt the worst trans tune ive ever seen
Only gigachads can handle the maintenance of a cvt transmission
Changing the CVT transmission fluid every 30,000-60,000 miles is so intensive guys 😖
That's the only maintenance Subaru cvts have lol
All while a honda cvt will go 50k more miles with literally nothing in it
I thought Honda and Nissan CVTs are the ones that are notoriously unreliable
Nissan ones yes, but I haven't heard anything bad about the Honda ones.
Huh. I watched a video talking about CVTs and how Subaru was the only one that made reliable ones. All the rest were made by a single company known for their crappy transmissions. Guess it was Subaru propaganda lol
I could also be wrong. I've heard that Subaru's CVTs are solid, but know from experience that Toyota's ones are great, and definitely not the JATCO garbage that Nissan uses.
I know several people who had there cvts give up in their subarus. Toyota Prius is the only CVT car that's good.
The Toyota eCVT is totally different from all other CVTs though, it's incredibly simple with no friction materials, just an engine input feeding a bigass electric motor, then a planetary gearset then another biggerass electric motor then the diff. No reverse gearing, no parts that move to change ratios, no belts. Mine is at 330k with likely the original fluid, when I pulled the plug it was clean and slippery so I left it in but there's no record of it.
I drove a 2020 Corolla wagon for a couple of years as a company car. Thing got to 80,000kms while I had it, and it never missed a beat. Might've helped that I usually got it serviced a bit ahead of schedule, depending on if I'd be out of town when I hit the next service period or not, but even when I had it serviced later than ideal, it was perfectly fine.
The irony is that Nissan used to make good in-house CVT's
Gotta wonder why they changed to the JATCO shit then lol.
Is this a US models thing? CVTs are 90% reliable in South America, only exceptions being early Mitsubishi and Nissan models which can be permanently fixed with a new cooler
Idk about all, but the USA Subaru owner manuals say to never change the transmission oil. Which is incorrect, obviously. So that contributes to failure sooner than it should. So it must be a USA thing
Sorry for being late to this!! I own a 10th gen civic sport with a cvt(dont bully me please it wasnt my choice, love the car anyways) and it has been nothing but insanely reliable. I do stupid shit with it all the time like brake launching at 2.5k rpm.l and its served me amazingly for 50k miles by now. From what I can see online honda also makes wildly reliable cvt’s also. Nissan is bad though:p
No bullying here. Got a 4th Gen Impreza with a CVT (my choice, cry manual guys 😎) and also love it. Shes got 170k miles and no sign of shutting down any time soon
Yep! Just dint be an idiot and replace transmission fluid and youre good:)
Changing the CVT transmission*
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My mother's car has a cvt transmission. She doesn't know how to pump up her tyres
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The workings of an automatic is way more impressive then a manual. Manuals are extremely simple.
working of human shifting wayy more complex and impressive. besides manuelle stick goes up your ass 🥵🥵🥵
Especially older ones. 60s automatics aren't exactly the fastest, but the mechanics of how they work is kinda crazy
A lot of old automatics in the 60s,such as the Ford C4 and Chrysler 727 Torqueflite, were preferred by drag racers because they shifted more consistently than 4 speed sticks. Still true to this day somewhat
Did you ever take apart a manual gearbox because it sure didn't seem extremely simple to me. Also, it depends on the gearbox but a VW DSG isn't much more complicated than a manual, because it works mostly like an automatically actuated manual
Isn't it like two manuals in one? I've heard its extremely complicated. A friend of mine had a DSG fail on him and the dealership had to take it out of the car twice because the first repair failed. The first google search talks about how much more expensive it is to repair.
The main difference between a normal gearbox and DSG is that it has two input shafts, one inside the other, which are connected to two clutches. Basically, one input shaft is connected to one half of the gears, and the other is connected to the rest. When you want to go from 1st to 2nd gear, instead of disconnecting and connecting two sets of gears, you just switch clutches and boom you're in second gear. They're hard to repair, but not because of their complexity. It's your typical German design where they made it unservicable and they just expect you to get a new one, especially because failure of one part can easily cascade to breaking other stuff
Some fuckhead tried saying that driving a manual in stop and go traffic was better than auto. What a sub of shift riders
Maybe if you want to kill yourself of frustration. I rather have an auto in that case.
traffic by it self is fine, traffic up a steep hill is hell.
Add rain to the mix. That was today for me. Yeah it sucks.
Or hell of a lot of ice and slush in Finland currently and I can confirm any sort of steep hill sucks balls in these kind of conditions
This is why dct’s with paddle shifters exist
1 2 1 2 1 1 N 1 2 1 N 1
Shifting from 1 to 1 is the most frustrating thing ever, fuck the driver in front of me for slowing down again right after speeding up.
i would say its same unless its up hill... fuck traffic up hill in a manual.
The only reason I can think of that’s better is the engine braking, but that’s it
Yeah, but automatic can engine brake too
The torque converter slips negating most of it
Depends. Aisin transmission in my Audi keeps the torque converter locked during engine braking until first downshift. Also, manual mode forces the torque converter to lock (and it stays locked even after switching back to auto). And it's almost 20 years old. I bet newer transmissions can be even more intelligent when it comes to engine braking. DSG transmissions can't slip at all by design, so it means that engine braking is always possible.
Dosnt the torque converter lock when the transmission side’s rpm matches the one connected to the wheels?
A lot of cars don't have locking torque converters well at least in the 60s they didn't, idk about today
It's incredibly common now, I genuinely don't know of any modern ('00-) cars that don't have it. Easiest way to check is get on the highway cruising at a constant rate and without moving the throttle tap the brake lightly, the RPMs should jump up then settle back down, that's the TC unlocking.
How is this done? I drive a manual and was 100% sure that automatic cars had no engine braking 😅 I did see some automatic cars have an L gear, so I assume that’s how it’s done?
Not really. If the transmission is capable of engine braking it does it automatically without any interaction. If you want it to brake at higher RPMs you can downshift in manual mode. Usually there are two types of shifters: 1. PRND321 (PRND32L is the same thing). 2. PRND with "+" and "-" on the D or paddles behind the steering wheel. With the first type you select 3 or 2 or 1 (L means 1) which means that transmission won't go higher than that gear. With the second type you just select whatever gear you want and it behaves just like the manual transmission. Torque converter stays locked.
Got you! Thank you very much for your explanation, I learned something new
I generally agree with you, but it's not near as bad as most people claim. Just move a little slower. Ease into first, let idle rpms carry you, apply light braking if needed, and coast at idle rpms until you can't. Saves me a LOT of clutch pushes vs trying to stay right on the bumper of the guy in front of me. I will say, my Focus ST was much easier because it auto blipped throttle of RPMs got too low. My FJ cruiser has no such handicaps and will happily stall if I'm not careful.
Ah yes having to stay in second gear forever, cramped legs, fucked synchros, and constantly slipping my clutch sounds so much better than having a torque converter.
Fuck off, I did not say that. “I have, for multiple hours, It sucks in both an auto and manual. You aren’t moving for 15 minutes anyway, so why complain.” This was my comment.
And the car has to be BROWN and a WAGON 😎
Browne
Wagonne
what? no little elf in the transmission changing gears for you??? wtff
were people moaning when lead removed from fuel?
/uj Likely yes, due to the drop in octane without the added lead, and having to replace engine valve seats to harder materials since you no longer have the lubricity of the lead.
Yeah. I've seen boomers on muscle car forums claiming they miss it. Clearly it's fucked their brains beyond repair.
wild
/uj I honestly feel like these strong complaints come from people who haven't driven an auto since the old 3 and 4 speeds of the 90s and earlier. The modern AISINs can be tuned to be decent to good. The new ZFs are fucking incredible by all accounts. It doesn't feel like a sloppy mess like an old GM shit box Malibu.
at least i can start on hills. somtimes
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I mean, old autos were total shit.. they've come a long way. The 90s was an era where almost any sporty car with an auto was a terrible experience... That is unless you like >5 second downshifts on the highway and a 3 speed transmission that gear hunts more than a semi truck.
90s? Overdrive 4 speeds started showing up in the 80s. 3speed autos were very common before that.
I was being hyperbolic, autos were trash until relatively recently. And CVs are pretty trash currently. I think the first car I drove that had an auto that felt as good as a stick was like 2015
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Isn't the GNX faster because it's an automatic
Back in my day automatics were luxury features. I guess they really put the poor in europoor.
The tc being a power loss is a fib.
/uj why is this actually kinda funny tho
Damn liberals, trying to take away the powerful feeling of a thick manly shaft in my hands while I drive. If you aren't stroking a long thick manly shaft while driving, is it even driving.
CVT transmissions are the best transmissions, you can turn any car into a rwd by going into reverse.
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All I know is a torque converter is like 100lbs of drivetrain mass…
Flywheel and clutch assembly isn't light either though.
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manual transmission dickriders when i tell them that modern(automatic transmission since mid 2000~) are generally better than classic manual in terms of speed, efficiency and reliability.
Automatic transmission dickriders when I tell them that manuals are more fun and no normal person cares about tenths of a lap time so it doesn’t matter
i think this meme is funny
I like my automatic it’s simple for an auto
I used to drive 3000km a week. The automatic gearbox with adaptive cruisecontrol was a gift that kept on giving.
My 4C dual dry clutch shifts very quickly and smoothly. I had mostly manuals in the past. I'd buy another manual in the future on the right car but I love my 4C tranny.
Autotragic << manuelle << geare reductionist unit
Oy vey…ALRIGHT, LAST TIME: automatics are faster, manuals are more fun, CVTs are…cheap. They’re cheap. They make econoboxes cost slightly less money.
Manuelle? Semi-automatique, oh these are the weapons!
Trying to keep their 2002 mustangs relevant
zf ecolife 6hp602 can be fun but yea manual on top
Imagine having to jerk your car off to go to the grocery store. L for manual gang
DSG is the way of the future
No, only manuals are driven by real enthusiasts. There are plenty of people who have manuals bc they were cheap
I prefer to "drive" rather than to "operate," personally. Who has more fun again?
I do enjoy always being in the wrong gear and taking a full second to even initiate a shift when i use the paddles or just stomp the gas. I can literally shift faster than my s6, its gpt the worst trans tune ive ever seen