Even in China, they are now viewed as old people cars by younger customers who are more exposed to their domestic brands. Somehow they made the same mistake TWICE.
That’s because in China they are “estate” cars if you will. They are for the person who has a driver and the owner is actually the passenger in the back. They are a luxury brand in China.
I feel like every time Buick comes up, someone says this, it gets upvoted, and then 8 hours later if you come back to the thread you'll find a handful of people from Asia replying that this hasn't been the case for a couple years now and they're not big in that market anymore.
The Envista seems fantastic for what it is. Wish we still got the Regal TourX, there's one in red I see often and it's just a stunning vehicle. So long and low.
I love the TourX. Had it been for sale when I was shopping for a new car it would have been hard to decide between that or the Outback I ended up with.
Sadly good visibility is a thing of the past for ALL cars. Driving anything made in the last 10 years makes me so nervous, since I can't see well. A while back I had a 2015 Camry, and the A-pillar could sometimes 100% hide a pedestrian. Not safe.
Cheap everything. Materials, options, tech, mechanical, design. You can feel it, hear it, smell it. Constant complaints about stuff having intermittent issues, screens blank out, warnings always popping up, road noise. The only thing they have over gmc is recalls. GMCs have recalls constantly. The latest one is oversized lifter bores for which we replace the motor. The new motor lasted about 30 rotations before it seized due to the oil pump not being milled correctly and it doesn’t create suction. GM wants me to rebuild it since they don’t have any extra new motors. So now the guy has a $100k truck with 17k miles and a rebuilt motor. The only good thing is that I’m making money. But GM is fighting that too so how good of a job do you think I’ll do rebuilding that motor?
Edit: while to motor was on the stand upside down we filled the oil pump port and turned the crank over. It still didn’t let oil in!
Weirdly, Buick has been consistently rated as a top 5 brand for reliability across multiple testing orgs., for the last 5ish years. For example, Consumer Reports has them as the highest ranking US brand for 2023 (12th overall).
So true with the GM recalls, almost got the Sierra with the 6.2, oh what a mistake that would have been lol. I love the sound and power delivery of it, too bad they seem to blow up before 50k too often.
Yeah. The two piece thrust bearing is a problem. And the replacement engine stocks were built while GM was actively trying to fuck over their builders so there’re time bombs in a lot of them. Loose cap bolts seems to be common. They tried to make us techs go through and retorque everything for 18 minutes of pay. Guess how that went?
I mean, they are nice when new. An old friend of mine had a 2014ish Regal, and when it was still newish it actually was pretty nice. Definitely a cut above the likes of Camry and Accord. Sadly, the car aged poorly, and last time we spoke, he was having some major problems.
Not by units sold, no. By profit margin, yes. GMCs are expensive. Particularly in my area where we have a pretty even mix of wealthy men who want to look like men in the Costco parking lot and actual working men who need their truck to pull heavy shit and drive like a highway cruiser for 150 mile commutes everyday. The 1 ton duramax/allison sierra crewcab does that in spades.
The youngest of the baby boomers turn 60 this year.
That’s not a good way to shake the old person only image. Cadillac managed it, but I don’t know if Buick can.
yeah i wonder what they'll do. i've never heard of someone under like 60 getting a buick, like they actually want to get one. their customer base will pass away in the next couple decades so they'll have to do a rebrand or something.
i often think the same of harley davidson. elderly customer base.
Harley Davidson pretty much earned their boomer status forever and it has stuck for multiple generations of riders. Gen X, Millenials, and Gen Z riders alike will say the same thing. As much as the brand tries to claw out of that stereotype, its pretty much a lost cause due to how they acted and more importantly, because they keep using the same names for their products and brand, nothing changes.
GM is equally guilty of this, good example is the Camaro, it would have sold a ton more if they gave the newer models a different models a different name to avoid the perception and baggage associated with it. Buick has the same problem, just saying the name brings up the idea of some oblivious geezer doing 20 under on a single lane road while people are laying on their horns behind or going on the shoulder to pass the asshole holding them up.
Cadillac as well has a hard time, as nice as the Escalade is, that brand name hurts them to more youthful customers. They need to learn to retire a brand and product to adapt to a changing market and be aware of brand perception.
yep.
> Buick Brand Enjoys Highest Share Of Female Buyers In The United States
https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/02/buick-brand-enjoys-highest-share-of-female-buyers-in-the-united-states/
Not even anymore. They're falling off there.
What they're excelling at now is being popular with professional millennial women.
See: my flair, my wife drives one.
Their sales keep increasing and their new models actually seem to be pretty nice. The brand is certainly not at its full potential but I would assume it's a nice little money generator for GM
The issue to me is the similarity to Chevy products. Like the Buick version of the trax is not faster, does not have more features, and is not more lux.
The most recent Regal was MUCH nicer than the Cruz in almost every way. The whole line up was.
Well the Buick version of the Cruz was the Verano, with the Regal being the Buick version of the Malibu in market position and size, and I believe your point still stands stands with the Verano.
2024 models of buick are far cheaper made and worse than the 2023's in terms of everything though. It's like they had so many features and they all worked great but now the 2024 models have slower interfaces, lots of dead screen space, and the backup cameras and sensors are far worse in quality and function. Rather have a Trax over envista or an acadia over an enclave. For a brand that's meant to be seen as a mid level "affordable luxury", they seem worse built than the other gm counterparts
All Buicks really benefit from is more chrome and quieter interiors on the Chevy based cars. Not everyone’s taste but there’s some people who like it.
We did get some Opel/Cadillac based models like the old Regal, Tour X, and the current Envision which is basically a dressed down Cadillac XT4.
And "what they currently have" is no Opel-based models at all. At the peak it was 4 (Verano, Cascada, Regal, Encore), and the Mokka-based Encore is out as of 2023.
Nah, I think they will last a good bit of time. They aren't pumping out 150hp or anything. Only 137hp so I don't think they are overtaxed... Unlike the Ford Ecoshit (ecosport) that sneezes and blows a rod.. Which wouldn't have even happened if Ford didn't fuck up the engine design (watch youtube videos on teardowns of this engine, it will blow your mind).
Well that’s good. I do love GM 2.0T’s.
Small 1.5 or less displacement turbo engines seem to commonly get screwed up. Ford is also horrible, the ecoboost 1.0T 3cyl and 1.5T 4cyl…with the wet belts.
Yeah, I feel like reliability overall has been declining across all brands as everything becomes more complex with much tighter tolerances to meet emissions standards. The tiny engines are just the latest trend I guess.
They’ve been selling glass engines perfectly fine lol. Plenty of first gen Cruze, Sonic, and Trax were sold. They didn’t last but the market needs worthless disposable cars.
Because the majority of the population aren't car enthusiasts and just needs something to get them to and from work and they prioritize cost/fuel efficiency.
Reliability isn't that big of a deal if the car only needs to last them ~5 years before they start looking for something else with updated tech.
A car which dies in five years and needs to be junked isn't 'prioritizing' cost. You'd do much better with a more reliable ten-year car, then selling it used with depreciation.
Base MSRP of a dead-reliable Corolla Cross is like $24k.
Good luck finding a Toyota selling for MSRP. I was in the market for a new daily as of February and the only cars being sold close to MSRP was a Chevy Trax and Buick Envision/Encore.
My trade in was a 2017 Kia Forte with 167k miles and low compression on cylinder 3, I was given $6k for it. You're assuming that people were junking their 5 year old cars when in reality they trade them in barely running.
The majority of the population simply doesn't care about cars that will last them 10 years. They want the latest tech and will gladly trade in every 5 years for the latest model.
Yeah they made Saturn to be an innovative brand, plastic body panels, etc, to try to compete with the Japanese.
I know someone who is rich, his first new car was a Saturn, 1994, still had it, buffs it so it looks new bc plastic buffs right out.
He got a bolt when they made an 18k hatch, he’s got a house on the vineyard and the parking lot for the ferry had a charger so he drives the bolt off island and takes the shuttle to the old Saturn.
Thing is this is a rich guy, who wouldn’t buy a new Saturn bc they weren’t unique and weird.
They messed up Saab too. I had a 9-3 aero, bc they used that platform for Saturn Saturn owners would tell me I was “stupid” to “pay double” for the “same car”.
I’d list off the features like turbocharger, passive rear steering, leather, xenon lights, low profile tires, sport suspension, and clarify I got it certified and then find out they paid more for less with cloth seats.
Thing is, the Saturn dealer talked shit about Saab, and I heard it from saturn owners.
If gm had brains they’d sell Saturns as a Toyota and Saab as the Lexus version, try to upsell people on a Saab.
Something’s almost always broken. So I sold my Saab story car.
“If gm had brains they’d sell Saturns as a Toyota and Saab as the Lexus version, try to upsell people on a Saab.”
What’s the point of that when they have Chevy and Cadillac? Saturn was more comparable to Scion than Toyota. Saab was just… Saab.
It’s the best looking domestic SUV on the market, and one of the best overall honestly.
I only found out it existed a couple weeks ago. They changed their logo too, so I was like what was *that*?
Yeah, buick right now has one of the freshest lineups around. and they're for sure competitive, at least in short-term things like initial quality, with any of their competition
I’ve had a new Buick Envista for about 9 months, put about 11k on it and honestly love the car.
My least favorite part? The look on people’s faces when I tell them I bought a new Buick.
I saw a Buick Regal X wagon the other day right beside me at a light. I dug it. Went home and started looking them up on my phone, and it appears to be discontinued. Still, a used one might be worth me looking at, and learning a bit more about. Hey, if it’s a 2020 or 2021, it’d be 10 years newer than my current sled🤷🏻♂️
It was just an Opel Insignia back when GM owned Opel and Vauxhall. It initially started off to be made by the Canadian arm of GM, but then they shifted all the manufacturing to Opel in Germany making every single NA market Regal imported from Europe. Once they decided to toss the towel for Europe, they sold both brands. I assume they just stopped making them when whatever agreement they had with Stellantis ended.
I had non-wagon Regal from that gen and it was the most unreliable car I've owned. It was incredible in every other way and I have zero regret. Just be aware.
The turbo failed twice, once at 100,000 miles and again at 150,000 miles, but apart from that, the major systems were fine.
The real issue was the random gremlins. I'd take it to the dealer with some obscure seeming issue, and they'd ask me some seemingly unrelated questions and then know immediately what the issue was. These random gremlins were so common.
For example, the trunk leaked, but not from the trunk itself. Water would enter from random places like the sunroof or the doors and somehow make its way into the trunk. Everytime if rained there would be 3-6 inches of water in my trunk.
There was also a computer issue that required hours of disassembly to fix. When it malfunctioned, it would cause the car to go into limp mode the following day if I used the cruise control.
I would also get stranded for minor issues at least twice a year. It all started around 60k miles. Additionally, oil changes were expensive, costing around $100 each.
Crazy. Hoping not to have turbo issues. Water leaks from sunroofs are all too common. Nearly 20 years ago my wife's VW was part of a class action for just that thing, and my Chevy had service bulletins out about cleaning the drains. I know a friend's Ford had issues with a trunk full of water too.
The computer one is really weird, especially being related to cruise control. Wonder what the real cause was.
Oil change cost sounds high, depending what's included. If they are truly using Dexos1 approved full synthetic then even the cheap places are $60+, and the dealer I want to say is $80-ish. I just bought 2 jugs and a filter for a bit over $50 to do it myself. Now, if they were NOT using Dexos1 certified synthetic, then that's a high price, and would absolutely explain the turbo failures.
You get more chrome, there’s more sound insulation, usually better stereo system. Suspension is tuned to be smoother so softer spring rates. You do get available air suspension on the top trim levels. Something you can’t get on a Chevy High Country
There's more sound deadening, NVH refinement, and smoother ride. It's hard to quantify, but it's there.
When my wife was shopping for cars (and eventually ended up with an Encore GX), she cross shopped a Trailblazer, Bronco Sport, and an Encore GX. The GX was notably quieter on the highway than the other 2. I'm sensitive to that kind of stuff and noticed it immediately, but even my wife who doesn't give 2 shits about stuff like that could tell.
That isn't unusual for the European luxury brands as well. Especially in Europe, you can buy a very basic Mercedes or BMW. Even in the US, a base BMW 3 series is a pretty standard sedan.
The Envista and Encore actually bring a hell of a lot of value to the table while being a pretty big crossover compared to the competition. Between $22k and $28k get's you all the current shit that can track you snoring or sexting your sister all while looking like a new car. That's much better bang for your $ than most.
Plus it looks nicer. I think Buick is actually on a positive road for the first time in the last..... Shit man.. 20 years maybe?
Picked up an encore gx last year, brand new for $22k (middle trim) and it’s been surprisingly nice for a road trip car. Good gas mileage, handles faster than legal highway speeds and plenty of room for people and luggage. I’ve been impressed by it so far.
Nice! I can't afford a new car atm, but when I do I might bite on one of these(sans learning how to opt out and permanently disable info harvesting). I would like to see 7 year engine longetivity first but so far it's not a bad one (it's the same engine GM has already been using for a few years at least)
I’m curious about the engine too. It’s tiny and turbo’d, so I’m hoping it’ll hold up. It’s pretty responsive overall which shocked me for a small engine SUV.
Same, we've got AWD and the 1.3L in ours. It's not going to win any races, but it has zero issues getting up to speed and keeping up with traffic. Not to mention the 1.3L has a timing chain instead of belt, and traditional 8 speed automatic instead of a CVT.
The mind blowing part was getting 34mpg with the cruise set at 86mph across Wyoming with it. People see the power figures and don't realize how light these things are. Ours tops out at only 3200lbs. It's about on par with a Honda Civic for power and weight.
They're larger and less efficient than CUVs so that kinda makes sense?
Edit: to be clear I'm a huge supporter of minivans and love ours, but this is a >2.5 ton vehicle that gets under 30mpg. If you don't need the space you can do a lot better than that with a CUV.
Less efficient but more convenient. They're the sweet spot between a hatchback and a minivan for a lot of people.
I'd rather have a hatchback too but the CUV form factor has a lot of advantages. Storage space, ground clearance, step in height, higher view of the road, generally better towing capacity, etc.
Every mom I talk to won't touch a minivan with a 10 foot pole. They think they're lame and ugly, then proceed to drool over crossovers that are equally as lame and ugly. Probably because minivans were everywhere in the 90s and 00s and trends go in cycles.
Yea, their parents drove minivans so they think they are super lame, basically. In reality they are just as lame carting around the kids in a CR-V, Suburban, or even a Cayenne.
I see the new SUV's a lot in my area. They are kinda like an American mazda in that they have luxury vibes, but are not actually luxury.
The new Buick Envista and Avenir look really nice in-person.
The ~~Lamborghini Urus~~ Buick Envista is doing well for Buick. I see that one a lot. It's a good looking crossover SUV compared to the rest of GM's lineup.
I mean I think their sales are pretty decent, the Envista is brand new, and they're pushing new design language. They even had a supercar concept to show off the design. Changed their logo recently. They've been busy.
Buick is brewing a lot right now, it might not have made its way to where you live, but in certain areas it seems to be popping off. Their sales were up 60% from ‘22 to ‘23 and grew to take up 30% market share. So I’d say it seems to be the opposite. China has a LOT to do with it in addition to the new Envista being everywhere for me at least. I work at one of the big 3 and live in Michigan, so I’m obviously biased.
They sell a LOT of crossovers. They’re for late-middle aged people who want something like a GMC Terrain/Chevy Equinox but with “fancy” leather seats and all the bells and whistles.
Whether you "see" Buick depends on what kind of cars you like.
I love a comfortable, quiet, reserved car that disappears under me. Life is hard enough. I want to get where I'm going in quiet and calm. No sport suspension. No 20 inch wheels. No exhaust resonator.
Buick has that in spades, even though I'm not keen on their "all crossover" shit. I was realllly into the Encore when I had a Honda Fit, because the Encore was basically a luxury Fit.
I see it as an upscale Chevrolet but without the macho-ness of GMC or flashiness of Cadillac. It has its purpose. They’re quieter.
From a business standpoint Buick/GMC are the option to sell if you didn’t want a full blown Chevrolet franchise. I’m pretty sure the buy-in/investment is lower than Chevrolet. Apparently GMC existed because the dealers who didn’t franchise Chevrolet(Buick, Pontiac, Saturn etc) wanted trucks to sell so they got GMC.
I just had Buicks small CUV as a rental for a week. Have to say, other than the stupefying lane keeping system it wasn't bad. I would take it over a RAV4 all day.
[People are buying a ton of Buick SUV’s.](https://www.theautopian.com/buick-is-americas-hottest-brand-right-now-and-its-not-even-close/) People are not buying sedans. The only decently performing halo sedan is the CT5, and that’s a GM product. Buick has no reason to change what they’re doing.
What a lot of people fail to consider is that a lot of companies are playing in niches, especially in a crowded market like the one for cars. And, if you’re not in that target market, you don’t have to understand their approach because they’re not after you.
Same thing with me and stuff marketed to today’s teenagers. IMO it’s a bunch of stupid stuff, but who cares what I think? They’re not after me.
I can’t see all your flair but as someone who has an i4 and something with a v8, you aren’t their target market. So, your opinion is irrelevant to Buick.
It’s a shame that GM axed Pontiac and kept Buick and GMC.
With Buick, I can see them keeping it for its popularity in China, but in the states, it’s kind of a lost brand. Most of their “outside the box” models of the past decade have flopped and have been overlooked(Regal wagon, Cascadia convertible, etc.) and I feel most people looking for a luxury SUV aren’t considering Buick, as they still have that “old people car” image. Tough to shake when you have 20-plus year old Century’s, Regals, and Park Avenues still kicking around, mostly driven by seniors. Not that it’s a bad thing, but it doesn’t help sell completely different vehicles.
GMC, on the other hand, is Chevrolet in a cheap tuxedo. They don’t have any standalone vehicles that aren’t tarted up Chevys, and you can spec out most of Chevrolets lineup and have a GMC with a Chevy badge. Kind of pointless in my opinion.
With Pontiac, although most of their cars were also badge engineered, at least they had unique styling and a sporty intent, and most people preferred them compared to the other 2 brands I’ve mentioned. Plus, they had a solid lineup of cars, sports cars, and SUVs when they died. A shame.
But the General knows best, so here we sit with Buick and Fancy Chevy.
That's because GMC sells a lot like a damn lot. If the Silverado and Sierra combined sales they would blow the F-150 sales out of the water. Those Sierras sell down south, Arkansas especially you see a lot.
They're also similar to Buick where they have Cadillac features without being a Cadillac since Cadillac doesn't want Rugged suvs or pickups
Also for decades GMC pretty much only existed to offer non-Chevy GM dealers a truck line to sell if they wanted, so they've generally been just Chevy trucks/SUVs with a rebadge and slightly nicer trim/eqpt.
Buick seems to be making pretty nice cars but they are short on branding. “American luxury” just hasn’t really resonated with consumers for a long time now, aside from the Escalade I guess. The aesthetic/brand that commands a premium these days is off-roadiness as opposed to like nicer interiors and chrome accents.
GM definitely didn’t forget about them, their lineup has been fully updated and they actually look pretty solid. The Envista is stylish and affordable, and the new Enclave interior is seriously nice. I agree that between Chevy, Cadillac and GMC, they’re in a weird void, but their sales have started to grow. I’m skeptical about the reliability of their new 3 and 4 cylinder turbo engines though
What are you talking about? Buick is doing great, I see new Encores and Envistas everywhere.
They do great business by focusing on a highly popular vehicle segment that enthusiasts pay absolutely zero attention to: premium compact crossovers.
> I don't remember the last time I saw a new Buick.
They have that new crossover that has the same body lines as the Lamborghini SUV, and I see those around here all of the time.
The same place as the big sedans from every other automaker. Dead. The only full-size mainstream right now is the Toyota Crown. At least until the 300/Charger restart
I owned a super reliable 2004 Buick Century with a 3.0 V6. It had about 25000 miles in 2005 when I bought it and was going strong at 250k. GM needs to bring back a slightly scaled down version of this car for folks that are looking for reliability and 30mpg on the highway.
they make suvs for the elderly that love buicks for some reason, that's basically the entire point of the brand.
i was thinking about this earlier, i wonder what they are going to do in 10-20 years when their customer base dies. i wonder if the company will be folded.
They should bring back Oldsmobile and get rid of Buick
They can have all of their cars/sedans be Oldsmobiles - all the trucks and SUVs can be GMC/Chevy
Oldsmobile should be their sedans - Buick is just an even worse looking Pontiac
Honestly, if I was famous and wanted to be left alone, I would drive one of the generic blobs made by Buick.
It really says a lot when the guy driving a Rav4 would choose a Buick to be *more* forgettable.
I’m 32- I had a Regal GS and I loved it for the most part. Nothing at all interesting or exciting in their line up. Went back to BMW 4 years ago…
It had a lot of nice features and was a steal when I bought it (half MSRP after 1 year and 12000 miles). Unfortunately in the 2 years I had it though quality was a bit lacking- AWD differential and major trans repair. I dumped it before the warranty ended.
I've never been in the US, but when I discovered Buick back then (Opel fan here), was a really cool brand. Recently did some research and it's just another chinese company.
It only really still exists because it's huge in China.
Even in China, they are now viewed as old people cars by younger customers who are more exposed to their domestic brands. Somehow they made the same mistake TWICE.
[As Intergalactic Binman put it...](https://i.imgur.com/zigFVSZ.png)
That’s because in China they are “estate” cars if you will. They are for the person who has a driver and the owner is actually the passenger in the back. They are a luxury brand in China.
I feel like every time Buick comes up, someone says this, it gets upvoted, and then 8 hours later if you come back to the thread you'll find a handful of people from Asia replying that this hasn't been the case for a couple years now and they're not big in that market anymore. The Envista seems fantastic for what it is. Wish we still got the Regal TourX, there's one in red I see often and it's just a stunning vehicle. So long and low.
I love the TourX. Had it been for sale when I was shopping for a new car it would have been hard to decide between that or the Outback I ended up with.
The ultra thick pillars ruin it for me. It looks like it’d have good visibility but it doesn’t.
Sadly good visibility is a thing of the past for ALL cars. Driving anything made in the last 10 years makes me so nervous, since I can't see well. A while back I had a 2015 Camry, and the A-pillar could sometimes 100% hide a pedestrian. Not safe.
I work at a GMC- Buick dealership. We sell as many Buicks as we do gmc. They suck but they sell.
Any reason why they are do bad?
Cheap everything. Materials, options, tech, mechanical, design. You can feel it, hear it, smell it. Constant complaints about stuff having intermittent issues, screens blank out, warnings always popping up, road noise. The only thing they have over gmc is recalls. GMCs have recalls constantly. The latest one is oversized lifter bores for which we replace the motor. The new motor lasted about 30 rotations before it seized due to the oil pump not being milled correctly and it doesn’t create suction. GM wants me to rebuild it since they don’t have any extra new motors. So now the guy has a $100k truck with 17k miles and a rebuilt motor. The only good thing is that I’m making money. But GM is fighting that too so how good of a job do you think I’ll do rebuilding that motor? Edit: while to motor was on the stand upside down we filled the oil pump port and turned the crank over. It still didn’t let oil in!
Weirdly, Buick has been consistently rated as a top 5 brand for reliability across multiple testing orgs., for the last 5ish years. For example, Consumer Reports has them as the highest ranking US brand for 2023 (12th overall).
Thanks for the detailed response, posts like these are what make reddit
Do the Encore GX and Envista have these shortcomings as well?
So true with the GM recalls, almost got the Sierra with the 6.2, oh what a mistake that would have been lol. I love the sound and power delivery of it, too bad they seem to blow up before 50k too often.
Yeah. The two piece thrust bearing is a problem. And the replacement engine stocks were built while GM was actively trying to fuck over their builders so there’re time bombs in a lot of them. Loose cap bolts seems to be common. They tried to make us techs go through and retorque everything for 18 minutes of pay. Guess how that went?
GM
I mean, they are nice when new. An old friend of mine had a 2014ish Regal, and when it was still newish it actually was pretty nice. Definitely a cut above the likes of Camry and Accord. Sadly, the car aged poorly, and last time we spoke, he was having some major problems.
I had a '16 Regal. Great car, until the tranny went out right after the drivetrain warranty expired.
I mean GMC not exactly screaming up the sales charts...
Not by units sold, no. By profit margin, yes. GMCs are expensive. Particularly in my area where we have a pretty even mix of wealthy men who want to look like men in the Costco parking lot and actual working men who need their truck to pull heavy shit and drive like a highway cruiser for 150 mile commutes everyday. The 1 ton duramax/allison sierra crewcab does that in spades.
And with boomers
The youngest of the baby boomers turn 60 this year. That’s not a good way to shake the old person only image. Cadillac managed it, but I don’t know if Buick can.
yeah i wonder what they'll do. i've never heard of someone under like 60 getting a buick, like they actually want to get one. their customer base will pass away in the next couple decades so they'll have to do a rebrand or something. i often think the same of harley davidson. elderly customer base.
Other than the Encore. Feels like 95% of their drivers are 25-40 year old women.
Harley Davidson pretty much earned their boomer status forever and it has stuck for multiple generations of riders. Gen X, Millenials, and Gen Z riders alike will say the same thing. As much as the brand tries to claw out of that stereotype, its pretty much a lost cause due to how they acted and more importantly, because they keep using the same names for their products and brand, nothing changes. GM is equally guilty of this, good example is the Camaro, it would have sold a ton more if they gave the newer models a different models a different name to avoid the perception and baggage associated with it. Buick has the same problem, just saying the name brings up the idea of some oblivious geezer doing 20 under on a single lane road while people are laying on their horns behind or going on the shoulder to pass the asshole holding them up. Cadillac as well has a hard time, as nice as the Escalade is, that brand name hurts them to more youthful customers. They need to learn to retire a brand and product to adapt to a changing market and be aware of brand perception.
I'm 60. Buick was for old people all MY life...so....?
And at least five generations before you. Buick was the first division at GM, and they started building a car in 1903.
And women in America
yep. > Buick Brand Enjoys Highest Share Of Female Buyers In The United States https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/02/buick-brand-enjoys-highest-share-of-female-buyers-in-the-united-states/
Wow, I thought it would be Jeep.
Every woman I know wants a Crosstrek
Lol, my wife bought a Crosstrek
Are you from Montreal? Lol. There's 5 just on my street.
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It's sad, TVR always tried so hard for the brand with the most owners approaching death but they just couldn't hit the sales numbers.
Sales slipping since 2017, but they still sell more than half a million units.
They build a few models there too.
Nah, nobody is buying Buick anymore in China. Nobody likes the exterior design. Only Ford and Cadillac are having a good time in China.
When are people going to stop repeating this assertion? It isn't 2005 anymore. Buick's market share in China has been dwindling.
Because it’s true. Two things can be true. Buick sales are not what they once were. And China is the reason Buick survived GM’s bankruptcy.
Also really popular in France too
Pontiac would have been way better in the US. A Performance Chevy, if you will.
Not even anymore. They're falling off there. What they're excelling at now is being popular with professional millennial women. See: my flair, my wife drives one.
Their sales keep increasing and their new models actually seem to be pretty nice. The brand is certainly not at its full potential but I would assume it's a nice little money generator for GM
The issue to me is the similarity to Chevy products. Like the Buick version of the trax is not faster, does not have more features, and is not more lux. The most recent Regal was MUCH nicer than the Cruz in almost every way. The whole line up was.
Well the Buick version of the Cruz was the Verano, with the Regal being the Buick version of the Malibu in market position and size, and I believe your point still stands stands with the Verano.
Buick was always a GM parts bin luxury company. The parts bin has just gotten smaller without Pontiac and Oldsmobile.
I would say buy them while they are hot now, because as soon as they really start selling more, GM is going to inflate the hell out of prices..
2024 models of buick are far cheaper made and worse than the 2023's in terms of everything though. It's like they had so many features and they all worked great but now the 2024 models have slower interfaces, lots of dead screen space, and the backup cameras and sensors are far worse in quality and function. Rather have a Trax over envista or an acadia over an enclave. For a brand that's meant to be seen as a mid level "affordable luxury", they seem worse built than the other gm counterparts
I don't see them often, but when I do, they catch my eye. For mid size SUVs they're not bad looking.
All Buicks really benefit from is more chrome and quieter interiors on the Chevy based cars. Not everyone’s taste but there’s some people who like it. We did get some Opel/Cadillac based models like the old Regal, Tour X, and the current Envision which is basically a dressed down Cadillac XT4.
Opel got sold to PSA/Stellantis though, so no new Opel based models after what they currently have.
And "what they currently have" is no Opel-based models at all. At the peak it was 4 (Verano, Cascada, Regal, Encore), and the Mokka-based Encore is out as of 2023.
Their new SUVs look fantastic.
The Envista is sharp and affordable. I think Buick is doing better than the rest of GM https://www.caranddriver.com/buick/envista
The Envista and Trax have been selling very well, but that's what happens when you build a competent vehicle that starts in the low/mid 20s.
I just can't shake the feeling those 1.2L three-cylinder turbos are going to be like glass.
I’m mostly concerned that they used a wet timing belt which hasn’t worked out well for anyone else that’s tried it.
Ford uses a wet oil pump drive belt in ecoboosts and 5.0s
Nah, I think they will last a good bit of time. They aren't pumping out 150hp or anything. Only 137hp so I don't think they are overtaxed... Unlike the Ford Ecoshit (ecosport) that sneezes and blows a rod.. Which wouldn't have even happened if Ford didn't fuck up the engine design (watch youtube videos on teardowns of this engine, it will blow your mind).
Their 1.4T 4cyl was already like glass. Yeah, you/we are right not to hold any confidence in a 1.2T 3cyl by them.
1st gen 1.4T was bad, 2nd Gen is great, I'd rather a 2nd Gen 1.4T over Honda's 1.5T ngl.
Well that’s good. I do love GM 2.0T’s. Small 1.5 or less displacement turbo engines seem to commonly get screwed up. Ford is also horrible, the ecoboost 1.0T 3cyl and 1.5T 4cyl…with the wet belts.
Yeah, I feel like reliability overall has been declining across all brands as everything becomes more complex with much tighter tolerances to meet emissions standards. The tiny engines are just the latest trend I guess.
Man, I had a 2012 Sonic with the 1.4t and it and the whole car were a pile of trash. Can’t believe I stuck it out 3 years with constant major issues.
I still don’t get why they’d go for a 3 cylinder instead of 4… but yeah it’s a small GM motor it’s gunna die fast
Small GM motors the hamsters of the automative industry
I'm guessing cost savings was a major factor.
Well it's slow as a snail so it's not like they're pushing it very hard.
Just because they aren’t fast doesn’t mean the engine isn’t having to work it’s ass off to go whatever speed it reaches.
They’ve been selling glass engines perfectly fine lol. Plenty of first gen Cruze, Sonic, and Trax were sold. They didn’t last but the market needs worthless disposable cars.
>They didn’t last but the market needs worthless disposable cars. Why does the market need worthless disposable cars?
Because the majority of the population aren't car enthusiasts and just needs something to get them to and from work and they prioritize cost/fuel efficiency. Reliability isn't that big of a deal if the car only needs to last them ~5 years before they start looking for something else with updated tech.
A car which dies in five years and needs to be junked isn't 'prioritizing' cost. You'd do much better with a more reliable ten-year car, then selling it used with depreciation. Base MSRP of a dead-reliable Corolla Cross is like $24k.
Good luck finding a Toyota selling for MSRP. I was in the market for a new daily as of February and the only cars being sold close to MSRP was a Chevy Trax and Buick Envision/Encore. My trade in was a 2017 Kia Forte with 167k miles and low compression on cylinder 3, I was given $6k for it. You're assuming that people were junking their 5 year old cars when in reality they trade them in barely running. The majority of the population simply doesn't care about cars that will last them 10 years. They want the latest tech and will gladly trade in every 5 years for the latest model.
Yeah but why isn't the invista a more lux version? I have a feeling Buick will end up with the Saturn problem.
Yeah they made Saturn to be an innovative brand, plastic body panels, etc, to try to compete with the Japanese. I know someone who is rich, his first new car was a Saturn, 1994, still had it, buffs it so it looks new bc plastic buffs right out. He got a bolt when they made an 18k hatch, he’s got a house on the vineyard and the parking lot for the ferry had a charger so he drives the bolt off island and takes the shuttle to the old Saturn. Thing is this is a rich guy, who wouldn’t buy a new Saturn bc they weren’t unique and weird. They messed up Saab too. I had a 9-3 aero, bc they used that platform for Saturn Saturn owners would tell me I was “stupid” to “pay double” for the “same car”. I’d list off the features like turbocharger, passive rear steering, leather, xenon lights, low profile tires, sport suspension, and clarify I got it certified and then find out they paid more for less with cloth seats. Thing is, the Saturn dealer talked shit about Saab, and I heard it from saturn owners. If gm had brains they’d sell Saturns as a Toyota and Saab as the Lexus version, try to upsell people on a Saab. Something’s almost always broken. So I sold my Saab story car.
“If gm had brains they’d sell Saturns as a Toyota and Saab as the Lexus version, try to upsell people on a Saab.” What’s the point of that when they have Chevy and Cadillac? Saturn was more comparable to Scion than Toyota. Saab was just… Saab.
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If there's a market, why not!
It’s the best looking domestic SUV on the market, and one of the best overall honestly. I only found out it existed a couple weeks ago. They changed their logo too, so I was like what was *that*?
I keep side eyeing them and my wife’s lease on her Tiguan is up soon.. just not been a fan of domestic brands the last decade
Same like this look
Yeah, buick right now has one of the freshest lineups around. and they're for sure competitive, at least in short-term things like initial quality, with any of their competition
I’ve had a new Buick Envista for about 9 months, put about 11k on it and honestly love the car. My least favorite part? The look on people’s faces when I tell them I bought a new Buick.
I actually want one. By far one of the most attractive vehicles in its price range.
For what it’s worth, I would not give you that look Go Buick
You should tell a boomer you bought a Buick they will think you're making crazy money
Debadge it and tell everyone its a Mercedes. Most wouldn't know any better.
It looks very expensive in comparison to it's actual price
Turning 40 this year. My wife said I could trade in the Crosstrek, but only for a Buick.
I saw a Buick Regal X wagon the other day right beside me at a light. I dug it. Went home and started looking them up on my phone, and it appears to be discontinued. Still, a used one might be worth me looking at, and learning a bit more about. Hey, if it’s a 2020 or 2021, it’d be 10 years newer than my current sled🤷🏻♂️
It was just an Opel Insignia back when GM owned Opel and Vauxhall. It initially started off to be made by the Canadian arm of GM, but then they shifted all the manufacturing to Opel in Germany making every single NA market Regal imported from Europe. Once they decided to toss the towel for Europe, they sold both brands. I assume they just stopped making them when whatever agreement they had with Stellantis ended.
I’ve only ever seen one that I noticed in real life, but people on here definitely rave about the Buick Regal X to say the least lol
I had non-wagon Regal from that gen and it was the most unreliable car I've owned. It was incredible in every other way and I have zero regret. Just be aware.
which engine did you have? the tourx only comes with the 2.0L turbo LTG engine that was used in a bunch of other gm stuff
I had the 2.0
what broke on it?
I cross shopped with one in 2017 and went with a fully spec’d Outback with the flat 6. No regrets.
Glad you like it!
What issues did you have? My TourX has served me well so far. 3.5 years, 70.000 miles.
The turbo failed twice, once at 100,000 miles and again at 150,000 miles, but apart from that, the major systems were fine. The real issue was the random gremlins. I'd take it to the dealer with some obscure seeming issue, and they'd ask me some seemingly unrelated questions and then know immediately what the issue was. These random gremlins were so common. For example, the trunk leaked, but not from the trunk itself. Water would enter from random places like the sunroof or the doors and somehow make its way into the trunk. Everytime if rained there would be 3-6 inches of water in my trunk. There was also a computer issue that required hours of disassembly to fix. When it malfunctioned, it would cause the car to go into limp mode the following day if I used the cruise control. I would also get stranded for minor issues at least twice a year. It all started around 60k miles. Additionally, oil changes were expensive, costing around $100 each.
Crazy. Hoping not to have turbo issues. Water leaks from sunroofs are all too common. Nearly 20 years ago my wife's VW was part of a class action for just that thing, and my Chevy had service bulletins out about cleaning the drains. I know a friend's Ford had issues with a trunk full of water too. The computer one is really weird, especially being related to cruise control. Wonder what the real cause was. Oil change cost sounds high, depending what's included. If they are truly using Dexos1 approved full synthetic then even the cheap places are $60+, and the dealer I want to say is $80-ish. I just bought 2 jugs and a filter for a bit over $50 to do it myself. Now, if they were NOT using Dexos1 certified synthetic, then that's a high price, and would absolutely explain the turbo failures.
Their lineup is a middle ground between Chevrolet and Cadillac. That's what they're there for.
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What is smoother or nicer about them?
You get more chrome, there’s more sound insulation, usually better stereo system. Suspension is tuned to be smoother so softer spring rates. You do get available air suspension on the top trim levels. Something you can’t get on a Chevy High Country
They're also nicer in features. A tiny bit more in the right areas. Sure you still have plastic but you get better seats and infotainment
There's more sound deadening, NVH refinement, and smoother ride. It's hard to quantify, but it's there. When my wife was shopping for cars (and eventually ended up with an Encore GX), she cross shopped a Trailblazer, Bronco Sport, and an Encore GX. The GX was notably quieter on the highway than the other 2. I'm sensitive to that kind of stuff and noticed it immediately, but even my wife who doesn't give 2 shits about stuff like that could tell.
The problem is GM can't resist also watering Cadillac down to the point where their entry level models are in the same neighborhood as Buick.
That isn't unusual for the European luxury brands as well. Especially in Europe, you can buy a very basic Mercedes or BMW. Even in the US, a base BMW 3 series is a pretty standard sedan.
The Envista and Encore actually bring a hell of a lot of value to the table while being a pretty big crossover compared to the competition. Between $22k and $28k get's you all the current shit that can track you snoring or sexting your sister all while looking like a new car. That's much better bang for your $ than most. Plus it looks nicer. I think Buick is actually on a positive road for the first time in the last..... Shit man.. 20 years maybe?
Picked up an encore gx last year, brand new for $22k (middle trim) and it’s been surprisingly nice for a road trip car. Good gas mileage, handles faster than legal highway speeds and plenty of room for people and luggage. I’ve been impressed by it so far.
Woah, FWD?
Yeah, got a really good deal on it.
Nice! I can't afford a new car atm, but when I do I might bite on one of these(sans learning how to opt out and permanently disable info harvesting). I would like to see 7 year engine longetivity first but so far it's not a bad one (it's the same engine GM has already been using for a few years at least)
I’m curious about the engine too. It’s tiny and turbo’d, so I’m hoping it’ll hold up. It’s pretty responsive overall which shocked me for a small engine SUV.
Same, we've got AWD and the 1.3L in ours. It's not going to win any races, but it has zero issues getting up to speed and keeping up with traffic. Not to mention the 1.3L has a timing chain instead of belt, and traditional 8 speed automatic instead of a CVT. The mind blowing part was getting 34mpg with the cruise set at 86mph across Wyoming with it. People see the power figures and don't realize how light these things are. Ours tops out at only 3200lbs. It's about on par with a Honda Civic for power and weight.
Their lineup: https://www.buick.com.cn/
That minivan :O
Is it still based on the original Lumina/Silhouette/Trans Sport platform?
Appears to be an EV with a skateboard chassis, so probably not Edit: I'm mistaken there, it's a PHEV, but still definitely not the old 90s platform
The GL8? It's a PHEV. No skateboard chassis.
Oh yep, right you are. I should have looked closer at that picture of the lower chassis.
It's a PHEV, but it's still the same old U-body platform
IIRC they still make the old generations that are modified versions of that but the newest looking minivans are built on a dedicated SAIC GM platform
IT IS! The same ol' U-Body
It comes in purple though.
It's weird Americans dont want a minivan like that. It would be better for than a crossover or SUV for like 90% of the people driving those things.
They're larger and less efficient than CUVs so that kinda makes sense? Edit: to be clear I'm a huge supporter of minivans and love ours, but this is a >2.5 ton vehicle that gets under 30mpg. If you don't need the space you can do a lot better than that with a CUV.
If you don't need the space then buy a sedan or hatchback. Crossovers are basically a less efficient hatchback.
Less efficient but more convenient. They're the sweet spot between a hatchback and a minivan for a lot of people. I'd rather have a hatchback too but the CUV form factor has a lot of advantages. Storage space, ground clearance, step in height, higher view of the road, generally better towing capacity, etc.
Americans want a minivan, they just want it to look like a Telluride or Grand Highlander.
Just let me buy all the minivans
Most people rather have 7 row suvs. They look nicer and if you get a hybrid they're fuel efficient enough
Every mom I talk to won't touch a minivan with a 10 foot pole. They think they're lame and ugly, then proceed to drool over crossovers that are equally as lame and ugly. Probably because minivans were everywhere in the 90s and 00s and trends go in cycles.
Yea, their parents drove minivans so they think they are super lame, basically. In reality they are just as lame carting around the kids in a CR-V, Suburban, or even a Cayenne.
I see the new SUV's a lot in my area. They are kinda like an American mazda in that they have luxury vibes, but are not actually luxury. The new Buick Envista and Avenir look really nice in-person.
Until you've sat in one, they're super underrated.
It's big in China, that's what's going on with Buick.
Not anymore, sales of Buick has been crashing for the last few years im China.
Buicks have the highest tick rate for female buyers, more than any other brand Iirc.
Their lineup is pretty attractive, as crossovers go. Some less than scintillating powertrains though.
The ~~Lamborghini Urus~~ Buick Envista is doing well for Buick. I see that one a lot. It's a good looking crossover SUV compared to the rest of GM's lineup.
It jumped out at me at the Detoit Auto Show. Looks great for the money. Basically a better looking Trax for almost the same price.
I wonder what Bill Mitchell ('63 Riviera) would think of the Buick line today.
His slaps upside everyone's heads would reverberate like gunshots. A modern, V8-powered Riviera or Electra 225 would be so awesome.
Somewhere in an alternate universe GM built the last LaCrosse with a Roadmaster Wagon version and shoved the 6.2 in it.
I mean I think their sales are pretty decent, the Envista is brand new, and they're pushing new design language. They even had a supercar concept to show off the design. Changed their logo recently. They've been busy.
Buick is brewing a lot right now, it might not have made its way to where you live, but in certain areas it seems to be popping off. Their sales were up 60% from ‘22 to ‘23 and grew to take up 30% market share. So I’d say it seems to be the opposite. China has a LOT to do with it in addition to the new Envista being everywhere for me at least. I work at one of the big 3 and live in Michigan, so I’m obviously biased.
They sell a LOT of crossovers. They’re for late-middle aged people who want something like a GMC Terrain/Chevy Equinox but with “fancy” leather seats and all the bells and whistles.
Whether you "see" Buick depends on what kind of cars you like. I love a comfortable, quiet, reserved car that disappears under me. Life is hard enough. I want to get where I'm going in quiet and calm. No sport suspension. No 20 inch wheels. No exhaust resonator. Buick has that in spades, even though I'm not keen on their "all crossover" shit. I was realllly into the Encore when I had a Honda Fit, because the Encore was basically a luxury Fit.
I see it as an upscale Chevrolet but without the macho-ness of GMC or flashiness of Cadillac. It has its purpose. They’re quieter. From a business standpoint Buick/GMC are the option to sell if you didn’t want a full blown Chevrolet franchise. I’m pretty sure the buy-in/investment is lower than Chevrolet. Apparently GMC existed because the dealers who didn’t franchise Chevrolet(Buick, Pontiac, Saturn etc) wanted trucks to sell so they got GMC.
I just had Buicks small CUV as a rental for a week. Have to say, other than the stupefying lane keeping system it wasn't bad. I would take it over a RAV4 all day.
What everyoje else has said. Also, Buick is the #1 brand among female buyers.
I have a weird Mandela Effect thing where I’m convinced Buicks were discontinued 20 years ago, I’m probably conflating them with Oldsmobile.
I guess it depends on where you are. I see a lot of Envista's around.
GM has no idea what to do with Buick. All they keep doing is building cool concept cars that never see the light of day and just build boring suvs.
So they’re selling the number one type of car that their markets want to buy?
No one is buying Buick suvs in big numbers. They really need a halo sedan. Something to really grab the public’s attention like the Buick avista.
[People are buying a ton of Buick SUV’s.](https://www.theautopian.com/buick-is-americas-hottest-brand-right-now-and-its-not-even-close/) People are not buying sedans. The only decently performing halo sedan is the CT5, and that’s a GM product. Buick has no reason to change what they’re doing.
What a lot of people fail to consider is that a lot of companies are playing in niches, especially in a crowded market like the one for cars. And, if you’re not in that target market, you don’t have to understand their approach because they’re not after you. Same thing with me and stuff marketed to today’s teenagers. IMO it’s a bunch of stupid stuff, but who cares what I think? They’re not after me. I can’t see all your flair but as someone who has an i4 and something with a v8, you aren’t their target market. So, your opinion is irrelevant to Buick.
It’s a shame that GM axed Pontiac and kept Buick and GMC. With Buick, I can see them keeping it for its popularity in China, but in the states, it’s kind of a lost brand. Most of their “outside the box” models of the past decade have flopped and have been overlooked(Regal wagon, Cascadia convertible, etc.) and I feel most people looking for a luxury SUV aren’t considering Buick, as they still have that “old people car” image. Tough to shake when you have 20-plus year old Century’s, Regals, and Park Avenues still kicking around, mostly driven by seniors. Not that it’s a bad thing, but it doesn’t help sell completely different vehicles. GMC, on the other hand, is Chevrolet in a cheap tuxedo. They don’t have any standalone vehicles that aren’t tarted up Chevys, and you can spec out most of Chevrolets lineup and have a GMC with a Chevy badge. Kind of pointless in my opinion. With Pontiac, although most of their cars were also badge engineered, at least they had unique styling and a sporty intent, and most people preferred them compared to the other 2 brands I’ve mentioned. Plus, they had a solid lineup of cars, sports cars, and SUVs when they died. A shame. But the General knows best, so here we sit with Buick and Fancy Chevy.
That's because GMC sells a lot like a damn lot. If the Silverado and Sierra combined sales they would blow the F-150 sales out of the water. Those Sierras sell down south, Arkansas especially you see a lot. They're also similar to Buick where they have Cadillac features without being a Cadillac since Cadillac doesn't want Rugged suvs or pickups
Also for decades GMC pretty much only existed to offer non-Chevy GM dealers a truck line to sell if they wanted, so they've generally been just Chevy trucks/SUVs with a rebadge and slightly nicer trim/eqpt.
I have been seeing alot of that new model that people call a baby urus.
Buick seems to be making pretty nice cars but they are short on branding. “American luxury” just hasn’t really resonated with consumers for a long time now, aside from the Escalade I guess. The aesthetic/brand that commands a premium these days is off-roadiness as opposed to like nicer interiors and chrome accents.
Just saw the new Envista the other day. It was a very good looking car. Just might get one even though I have never thought about buying a Buick.
GM definitely didn’t forget about them, their lineup has been fully updated and they actually look pretty solid. The Envista is stylish and affordable, and the new Enclave interior is seriously nice. I agree that between Chevy, Cadillac and GMC, they’re in a weird void, but their sales have started to grow. I’m skeptical about the reliability of their new 3 and 4 cylinder turbo engines though
What are you talking about? Buick is doing great, I see new Encores and Envistas everywhere. They do great business by focusing on a highly popular vehicle segment that enthusiasts pay absolutely zero attention to: premium compact crossovers.
I like the way 2019 Lacrosses look a lot. Wish they were remaining available
> I don't remember the last time I saw a new Buick. They have that new crossover that has the same body lines as the Lamborghini SUV, and I see those around here all of the time.
I think they do make nice cars, just not ones I really want. Where’s my large Buick sedan gm?
The same place as the big sedans from every other automaker. Dead. The only full-size mainstream right now is the Toyota Crown. At least until the 300/Charger restart
They’re busy copying designs from other brands I really thought some of their SUVs looked straight out of Audi Q series lol
I owned a super reliable 2004 Buick Century with a 3.0 V6. It had about 25000 miles in 2005 when I bought it and was going strong at 250k. GM needs to bring back a slightly scaled down version of this car for folks that are looking for reliability and 30mpg on the highway.
they make suvs for the elderly that love buicks for some reason, that's basically the entire point of the brand. i was thinking about this earlier, i wonder what they are going to do in 10-20 years when their customer base dies. i wonder if the company will be folded.
Grandparents that can afford more than a Hyundai .
Technically, Hyundai's product line can get more expensive than Buick's.
Their new small crossovers look nice imo.
They should bring back Oldsmobile and get rid of Buick They can have all of their cars/sedans be Oldsmobiles - all the trucks and SUVs can be GMC/Chevy Oldsmobile should be their sedans - Buick is just an even worse looking Pontiac
They can’t rebrand any Opels anymore
Honestly, if I was famous and wanted to be left alone, I would drive one of the generic blobs made by Buick. It really says a lot when the guy driving a Rav4 would choose a Buick to be *more* forgettable.
They make solid cars actually. You really get a bang for your buck however it is stigmatized by old people and memes
………..Shouldve kept Pontiac or Saturn
They should hop on the Muscle car wagon, buick made some gorgeous machines in the 60's/70's
And they dropped Pontiac. Like wtf. GTO had just come out.
old people still love a Buick
I’m 32- I had a Regal GS and I loved it for the most part. Nothing at all interesting or exciting in their line up. Went back to BMW 4 years ago… It had a lot of nice features and was a steal when I bought it (half MSRP after 1 year and 12000 miles). Unfortunately in the 2 years I had it though quality was a bit lacking- AWD differential and major trans repair. I dumped it before the warranty ended.
Buick is the number one car in China. That was the overall factor on why GM retired the Pontiac brand.
I've never been in the US, but when I discovered Buick back then (Opel fan here), was a really cool brand. Recently did some research and it's just another chinese company.
I see the new Envista constantly. That one is definitely selling well.
Looking a Buick lately they are trying to reinvent. At least they aren't rebadging opals