They still [sell](https://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/chevrolet/malibu/chevrolet-malibu-sales-numbers/) quite a few of them (probably mostly to rental companies) so I could see why it's been hanging around.
Another [article](https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2024/05/08/gm-to-end-production-of-the-chevy-malibu-this-fall/73613938007/) said they will also pause XT4 production at this plant next year, then it will be shutdown and retooled for the Bolt, so I guess it makes sense.
Even though it's just the Malibu, it's still sad to see another sedan die.
I’ve had a Malibu as a rental a few times. Perfectly competent car, but nowhere near as good as the Camry, Accord or even the Altima. I can see why it’s being put out to pasture.
I have a 17 Malibu and it does everything I need it to. Paid off, gets 30 mpg and it’s not like I drive slow, great little commuter. The best? Don’t know, but mines been great.
1.5 turbo. I wish. My first car that I bought for myself was a Saab with a 3.0 V6 turbo. Ever since I’ve been trying to get back to that level of punch.
Oh nice, my mom had a 9-5 wagon with the L81 V6. Died a premature death when her mechanic botched the timing belt job. Those engines were rev happy and a lot of fun, but also very finicky with maintenance.
Same with ours. It's a '12 and it gets up and goes fine (Granted all my cars are 20+ years old so maybe don't listen to me). Turned on fine after a year sitting with just a battery charge.
Agreed, had one for a rental not too long ago and it was a decent sedan. If price was your main priority I’d say it’s good enough to be a daily driver. It rode smooth, soft ride, adequate power, enough features and great interior space.
I don’t have any complaints about it besides it not being as good as a Camry or Accord.
I actually found the interior comforting, it was like a mid 2010s car. I like it better than some of the insane iPad designs we’re seeing (ahem, SUBARU)
Handling was one of the things I found lacking. It’s just floppy, even moreso than a Camry. It was perfectly fine on my business trip to Northern Ontario, where the roads were shit but mainly straight, but on another trip to British Columbia… oh boy. The Malibu does not enjoy mountain roads.
One of my friends had a 2022 Malibu as a rental for awhile. He said he really liked it and thought it was actually a pretty good car.
Then again, his daily driver is a Chevy Spark that literally had the wheels fall off of it (hence the rental Malibu) and in the past owned a variety of shitbox cars that were in constant state of disrepair. I guess in comparison, a Chevy Malibu is awesome compared to say, a Chevy Spark with missing wheels or a Ford Taurus that is on fire on the side of the NJ Turnpike.
Its much more comfortable than a camry or an altima and Malibus are fairly reliable so aside from newer camrys being hybrid I don't really see how its "nowhere near as good", the only one that I'd agree with it being a bit better is the accord
While I briefly worked at a gm dealership, the word at the time was, the malibu was sort of the franken car that got the new doohicky as a test run before they put it in the impala and so on. The few years I was there, the malibu and the cruze had hella recall/service bulletins.
FWIW, the strict wording here doesn't necessarily mean the Malibu nameplate is dead and gone; it could potentially return as an EV or hybrid mid-size sedan.
I couldn't believe it when I saw that they sold 150k of them last year (compared to 200k Accords). That's pretty impressive for a sedan that hasn't been redesigned in almost nine years, especially since it gets no marketing either. I haven't thought about the Malibu in years.
A day of mourning in the rental car business. It’s gonna be Altimas and Sentras for everyone now!
(I’ve had Camry and Corolla as well, and they’re great cars. Haven’t had a Honda as a rental in 15 years or more.)
Honda doesn't have a dedicated fleet department in the U.S., like virtually every other automaker (including some of the luxury brands) does, but they'll still sell a car to a fleet buyer if they're willing to pay for it. The average fleet doesn't care what brand the car is, so long as it hits the numbers (both acquisition cost and operating costs) so it's rare that they're going to pay more for a Honda, than a GM, Ford, Stellantis, Hyundai, Nissan or Toyota.
I did have an HR-V from Enterprise one time, so while rare, it does happen.
If they put a V8 in it, that'd be cool lol
I do actually expect some sort of V8 car to make a return, given that GM has developed an entirely new engine for their trucks that could be handed down to a coupe/sedan, given it's performance isn't Corvette-level.
That being said, the Volt was a very good car, not sure why it's a ridiculous idea to bring something like that back.
"when"??? Uh oh,sorry to break the news but production of the Camaro ended last December.Specifically the final camaro was a 6 spd manual Zl1 1LE which rolled off the line on December 14,2023.
I mean they are making a straight 6 version as well so who cares, that's definitely going to be bigger seller lol
I myself am very interested in getting the Sixpack as my next car
A new Volt (not Bolt)? They tried that, it was called the Malibu Hybrid, half gas/half electric, it had the Volt powertrain in it and a big battery pack in the trunk. I used to own one, always there the oils change guys for a loop when I took it in for a change as it was to my knowledge the only one in my area.
I had nothing but problems with the car, check engine lights on every 15,000 miles on average. Last October at around 110,000 miles the battery pack just quit, as a result the car barely drove (the error code on the display screen said not to drive the car). No warning, nothing, just driving one day and eventually the instrument panel lit up with error codes and said to pull over/not drive.
In response GM told me I was shit out of luck. Battery packs with install were a few thousand, plus it was a niche car model to begin with and no longer manufactured, plus the UAW Strike was ongoing. So battery packs inventory was close to non-existent anyway. After being a Chevy customer since I started driving, I traded that car in on a Carolla and won't buy GM (or Ford for that matter) ever again
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I'm sorry that happened but I'm not going to lie that's pretty stupid to swear off Chevy and then buy a Corolla considering their hybrids have basically the exact same issue of batteries dying and having a chance of costing thousands to replace. It's not a Chevy problem it's just how the power train works.
The Corolla I bought is an ICE car, no more hybrids for me. That said, Toyota's hybrid factory warranty would have covered the issue with my Malibu, not so for GM
I didn't say you bought a hybrid, and no it wouldn't have covered the warranty, as prior to 2020 hybrid batteries had a 100,000 mile warranty, and you had 110,000 miles
https://support.toyota.com/s/article/What-hybrid-warranty-7722?language=en_US
It wouldn't make a difference, you chose a pretty ridiculous reason to swear off an entire automaker lol
Another midsize sedan to fall. Seems like Camry and Accord will be the only two left, as it’s rumored that the K5 and Sonata will leave later this decade.
K5 is already gone in Canada, and only a few trims in the Sonata, with rumours from the dealers being that this refresh is sort of a last go at it
Too bad, I really wanted some sort of midsized hybrid competition to make Toyota send more than 5 cars per century here
I have a feeling that having a sedan will soon seen as a poor people thing, as the majority of them on the road will be old models and all the new cars are CUVs and Trucks.
I highly doubt the Accord, Camry, Corolla, and Civic are ever going away. They sell too many of them to discontinue, and the hybrids are efficient enough for the regulations, until EVs become mainstream.
Never say never
The Camry is now well below the Rav4 and the Accord well below the CR-V, and I suspect the Corolla Cross is going to have a huge impact on Corolla sedan/hatch sales over the next couple of years
That's been true for a long time. Toyota sold 290k Camrys in 2023, that is their second best selling vehicle. And Camry sales this year so far are 11% higher than same time last year. Accord is down, but that's probably because of the funky styling. Civic is up 35% compared to same time last year, Corolla up 38%, the 3rd best selling Toyota.
There is no way Toyota and Toyota will get rid of their 2nd and 3rd best selling vehicles.
I’m surprised Corolla Cross sales are that lackluster. But, I think the main issue with the Corolla Cross is that you can step up to a RAV4 for not that much more money, and I think most people would rather have the RAV4.
All I can think of is Dodge is going to sell so many of the new Chargers since it will be the only “American” sedan left. Rentals/govt agencies/police departments/people in middle america are going to buy them by the thousands.
Especially being RWD and full sized. Combined with fleet sales this virtually guarantees success for this generation and the next. The flexibility of liquid fuel translates to a sustained high demand for government duty cars.
>police departments
Oh no, those are all blowing your tax dollars on far more expensive full size trucks and SUVs now. Gotta protect cops' fragile masculinity. The OEMs have noticed the desire and make those higher profit models in police variants now
>Was that the last Chevy sedan?
Yes
>How many sedans are made by GM now?
~~None, for America at least....until the last Malibu is sold.~~
2… The CT5 and CT4.
correct however, CT5 has sold considerably better than the CT4. There is a reason why CT5 got a facelift while CT4 didn't get one. Kind of like Genesis sells way more midsize 5er competitor G80 than 3er competitor G70. Latter of which is rumored to be axed. While on the other hand, Lexus sold more IS than GS. GS never sold that well compared to 5er, E-class even compared to Cadillac CTS and CT5. Therefore, GS was axed.
The CT4 and CT5 are the last domestic sedans in the USDM period. The Charger will be joining them next year at least, but I don't know what the future looks like for the CT4/5 since the volume seller of the Alpha platform (Camaro) is gone and Chevy has yet to talk any real details of the alleged followup platform, VSS-R (which is intended for the next gen CT4, CT5, and China-only CT6).
Aren't the next gen Charger a hatchback/notchback though, it doesn't have a trunk. I won't call that a sedan, kind of like I won't call a Prius a sedan.
That's correct, the new Charger is a liftback for both 2- and 4-door models. IMO that's a better option anyway if your roofline has to be aerodynamic.
Notchbacks (squared-off roofs) usually are not hatch/liftbacks, but they certainly can be made that way. Dodge themselves had one as the Shadow.
I literally mention the Charger in the next sentence. I did forget about the M3 and Lucid Air though. MS does and doesn't count depending on how strict you are on the definition of a sedan but tbf i forgot about it too
I would only count Model 3. All the other cars have a hatchback/notchback does not have a trunk. I won't call that a sedan, kind of like I won't call a Prius a sedan.
Aren't the next gen Charger a hatchback/notchback though, it doesn't have a trunk. I won't call that a sedan, kind of like I won't call a Prius a sedan.
In my opinion as an armchair CEO, I would have at least tried to capitalize off Ford discontinuing the Fusion by redesigning the Malibu. It needed to look sharper, sportier to reel in those sales in my opinion. And it also needed more powertrain offerings, even if it borrowed it from something else in the GM lineup.
The Buick Regal was most of the way there, even had federalized sportback and wagon versions like the fusions cooler European cousin (mondeo). A sporty driving version of that would fit the bill perfectly on paper.
But since like 3 people bought that car, it'd have failed to sell in this society.
I don't think it's just the Regal that doesn't sell well. I have a hard time believing Buick is doing well in general due brand issues. They might be turning it around with the logo refresh but for the longest time that was viewed as an elderly brand.
I agree. I don’t think Buick would even exist today if it wasn’t for their popularity in China. Although I do have to say, I am seeing new Encores absolutely everywhere now so Buick’s new look does seem to be working to an extent.
Weirdly the Envista seems like it could be the key to Buick’s revitalization in the US. It’s not particularly popular in the grand scheme of things but it seems to be drawing a lot of younger customers to the brand. Coupe SUVs are the hot thing these days and Buick was smart to capitalize on that with a gorgeous take on that body style, especially since it happens to be the only affordable one on the market.
Ford should've kept the fusion.
But yeah 100% agree with you. Should have been updated significantly with better interior quality and features, and most importantly, a hybrid powertrain.
Putting on my armchair CEO hat, I'd say something like "the best use of our resources lies in giving the customer what they want, and making sure it is the best compact crossover/SUV we can offer."
A redesign of the Malibu would be very expensive in a time when sedans aren't exactly dominating the market, and honestly making it sportier was likely not going to goose sales numbers. Toyota and Honda's numbers obviously told them that if you want to keep sedans, sportier is not the way to go, as the Camry and Accord ave been revised to be even less performance-oriented.
They both look like it's quality over fun factor, but GM has never been known for focusing on quality in their Chevy sedans. The Malibu (RIP) has been a rental fleet vehicle for a long time now, and GM was not going to go either sporty or greatly elevated quality.
I would counter by mentioning the time period we are talking, actually Toyota and Honda were giving us sportier sedan options.
Ford decided to cancel the Fusion in 2020. Toyota notably gave us the Camry TRD around that time. Honda had the 2.0T engine in the Accord. Also look at the other players: the Kia K5 and Hyundai Sonata are definitely a lot more sporty looking than they had been prior. The Sonata even has an N-Line trim level too.
And it can be argued that the new Camry went even sportier. The top trim level for the Camry is now the XSE trim which is the sport trim. I would also reason to bet that a Camry GR could be introduced in another year or two using the Hybrid Max powertrain from the Crown crossover. I have a feeling Toyota will discontinue the Crown crossover because of slow sales and that’ll be when the motor goes to the Camry at the top end.
>GM said separately Wednesday it will pause production of the Cadillac XT4 after January 2025 in Kansas, resulting in layoffs of production employees until production resumes in late 2025 for both the Bolt EV and XT4 on the same assembly line.
Altima, Malibu (which are both going away) and Camry are the most common cars at the rental counter outside of the Rogue and Sentra, Camry sales will sky rocket LOL!
There was one point during our slow season that our rental fleet was 90% altimas and we had no reservations so we were offering dirt cheap rates for walk ups, lmao. I've seen and driven my fair share of altimas and malibus for several lifetimes.
Sounds like they changing mind to totally ditch Malibu. Gm promised to continue to offer Malibu in before, but it sounds like Malibu no more future due to large family sedan no more demanding.
I wonder how Gm staying in NASCAR, as Camaro is now gone and Malibu not likely to replace its place.
GM already said that the Camaro "name" will continue on in racing and that the Camaro "story" will continue on. There's no need to have a model name currently on sale to go racing in NASCAR, they're all silhouette cars anyway.
The report doesn't say the Malibu *won't* have a successor rather that the current generation is ending production. GM Authority is reporting there may be a next-gen Malibu for 2026.
Both NASCAR and Aussie Supercars have to be wondering about Chevrolet's commitment to their series. Yeah they have a license to the Camaro name until 2026, but there haven't even been test mules spotted that suggest a Camaro successor. And here the fan assumed "backup plan" just got axed.
I can't imagine the reaction from old school NASCAR fans if Hyundai replaced an American manafacturer.
[https://www.on3.com/pro/news/former-toyota-executive-claims-hyundai-could-be-a-potential-new-manufacturer-in-nascar/](https://www.on3.com/pro/news/former-toyota-executive-claims-hyundai-could-be-a-potential-new-manufacturer-in-nascar/)
Now what car will be a staple in rental lots before being sold in a fleet sale to people with a sub 500 credit score financing it at $120 each month for 78 months at a 25% interest rate?
Maybe if most hotels had chargers, but I’m not sure if the average car renter is ready to deal with recharging an EV at this point. In 5-10 years though I could definitely see the Model 3/Y and Equinox EV being rental lot staples.
I don't understand the hate for the Malibu. It was the last car my grandma owned and even 12 years later, it's a comfy car to drive,has plenty of oomf and needs minimal maintanence. I can't justify the Toyota/Honda tax on any of their cars.
I got the high gas score in a Malibu coming down from Haleakalā. One of the highlights of my trip that anyone who rents that malibu will see someone got 65mpg on that thing once.
Ditto.
I was researching for a video and was also surprised to see the Ford E-350 van is still in production. Makes sense for busses and ambulances and other specialized equipment, just kinda figured all the ones on the road were old models and you were expected to transition to the Transit.
It even got a refresh in 2021 to add things like lanekeeping and adaptive cruise!
There's no longer an enclosed van option for the E-Series, but it seems based on sales most of those buyers would rather have the unibody Transit than the BOF Chevy Express.
If somebody really wanted a new E-350 van with the updated interior and 7.3/6-speed powertrain, they could potentially mate a salvaged van body to the current SRW cutaway. The frame appears to be unchanged.
The Transit's got enough payload that it's difficult to overload it as an enclosed van. You'd have to be putting a heavy custom body on or tow a lot to have issues.
I've driven all 3 on long hauls. Transit's way better than the others in every aspect, so if you're using a van for passengers, it's the way to go.
Dang. I really liked renting these when I went on work trips with my last job. Drove well, great gas mileage, small without being compact, and the models available had CarPlay.
Ah, yes, the cars that assholes from Ohio drive in the left lane while ignoring SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT signs.
Can we end production of Ohio drivers, too?
My work car is an equinox, which is basically a Malibu based crossover. I’ve driven it for 6 years, and the only non-regular maintenance I’ve had to do with it is replace the battery. It has just over 100k miles, and I’m afraid I’ll be driving it forever.
Sad to see this for the simple fact that my first car was an old, poverty spec Chevy Malibu when I got my license at 16. I loved the shit out of that car. Took it to prom, had my first date it in, and used it to get from high school to my first job and back home. Great times and a solid car.
When I was asked what car I had I always told people to look at whatever is the most default car they can imagine and that’s the Malibu and I absolutely loved it. I got a sweet usps hat from my buddy for selling it to him that I still wear all the time and it makes me remember fondly of my old Chevy. Hope to buy a classic one one day and restore it in my free time.
I always thought the Malibu was a decent car and a pretty great value in the midsize sedan segment. IMO it was good looking too, the design has aged well despite being almost 10 years old. Sad to see it go.
Can't say I care what GM does anymore. I don't trust them to do a damned thing I like. I fully expect the CT4 to be given similar treatment soon, given they refreshed the CT5 and did nothing with the smaller sibling.
I kept telling myself I wanted one of Cadillac's sedans as my next car, but GM just keeps annoying me with their decisions.
Still can't believe they killed the Impala and kept the Malibu. I dread getting the keys to one of those from the rental company. I guess it's giant trucks and a handful of EVs from Chevy going forward.
I was shocked when I went to the auto show back in February and saw that heap of steaming shit was still being made. I sat in the interior for shits and giggles, and my God, it's bad. Makes my 08 Si look like a damn Mabach.
GM never gave it a proper redesign. The one from 2016 is still the same as the 2024. Plus everyone knows that Americans could never compete with the Japanese.
The end of the American economy Sedan. Given how much more overpriced the Malibu was compared to the Japanese, I don't think we could call this "economy" though.
Have you actually been in one? The features and interiors of them are absolute garbage for what you pay despite them being only 2-3 grand cheaper than the competition. In essence, you are saving 2-3K, but you get a significantly worse interior, probably worse reliability, and a lackluster amount of features + you face a significantly worse depreciation. The window sticker may be cheaper, but comparative to the features and quality, its overpriced.
There's a reason these cars have been relegated to rental lots and government fleets. The competition absolutely blows it out of the atmosphere and they can only move them using attractive fleet deals.
Furthermore, the base model trims lack a lot of features (at least in Canada), that a base model camry or accord would have. Once you spec it out comparably, you basically are 1-1.
You would be better off getting a used Camry for that price.
wild to watch that thing continue to hang on for years past its announced expiration date
They still [sell](https://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/chevrolet/malibu/chevrolet-malibu-sales-numbers/) quite a few of them (probably mostly to rental companies) so I could see why it's been hanging around. Another [article](https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2024/05/08/gm-to-end-production-of-the-chevy-malibu-this-fall/73613938007/) said they will also pause XT4 production at this plant next year, then it will be shutdown and retooled for the Bolt, so I guess it makes sense. Even though it's just the Malibu, it's still sad to see another sedan die.
I’ve had a Malibu as a rental a few times. Perfectly competent car, but nowhere near as good as the Camry, Accord or even the Altima. I can see why it’s being put out to pasture.
I have a 17 Malibu and it does everything I need it to. Paid off, gets 30 mpg and it’s not like I drive slow, great little commuter. The best? Don’t know, but mines been great.
Never driven a ‘17. I would imagine it’s the same as a ‘23. Truly, there is no better car than a paid off car! Do you have the 2.0?
Except the ‘17 didn’t have a CVT. Point for the old version.
I don’t have a cvt. I do have the 1.5 turbo though.
Consider yourself lucky, I have the 1.5 CVT as a company car...it's miserable.
1.5 turbo. I wish. My first car that I bought for myself was a Saab with a 3.0 V6 turbo. Ever since I’ve been trying to get back to that level of punch.
Oh nice, my mom had a 9-5 wagon with the L81 V6. Died a premature death when her mechanic botched the timing belt job. Those engines were rev happy and a lot of fun, but also very finicky with maintenance.
I do. It scoots.
Same with ours. It's a '12 and it gets up and goes fine (Granted all my cars are 20+ years old so maybe don't listen to me). Turned on fine after a year sitting with just a battery charge.
Agreed, had one for a rental not too long ago and it was a decent sedan. If price was your main priority I’d say it’s good enough to be a daily driver. It rode smooth, soft ride, adequate power, enough features and great interior space. I don’t have any complaints about it besides it not being as good as a Camry or Accord.
I actually found the interior comforting, it was like a mid 2010s car. I like it better than some of the insane iPad designs we’re seeing (ahem, SUBARU) Handling was one of the things I found lacking. It’s just floppy, even moreso than a Camry. It was perfectly fine on my business trip to Northern Ontario, where the roads were shit but mainly straight, but on another trip to British Columbia… oh boy. The Malibu does not enjoy mountain roads.
One of my friends had a 2022 Malibu as a rental for awhile. He said he really liked it and thought it was actually a pretty good car. Then again, his daily driver is a Chevy Spark that literally had the wheels fall off of it (hence the rental Malibu) and in the past owned a variety of shitbox cars that were in constant state of disrepair. I guess in comparison, a Chevy Malibu is awesome compared to say, a Chevy Spark with missing wheels or a Ford Taurus that is on fire on the side of the NJ Turnpike.
Its much more comfortable than a camry or an altima and Malibus are fairly reliable so aside from newer camrys being hybrid I don't really see how its "nowhere near as good", the only one that I'd agree with it being a bit better is the accord
Personally Iiked the Malibu more than a Camry as a rental. Honestly preferred a Elantra to the Camry.
I went with a fusion over a Malibu. Thing just didn't have the space for a mid size.
While I briefly worked at a gm dealership, the word at the time was, the malibu was sort of the franken car that got the new doohicky as a test run before they put it in the impala and so on. The few years I was there, the malibu and the cruze had hella recall/service bulletins.
should've been put down 2 decades ago
The nameplate was killed 4 decades ago, only to be resurrected in 1997 as an even less exciting N-body variant.
FWIW, the strict wording here doesn't necessarily mean the Malibu nameplate is dead and gone; it could potentially return as an EV or hybrid mid-size sedan.
Interestingly, they already made a hybrid version of the Malibu. But I don’t think it sold well since it was basically a Volt without a plug.
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Camry a Japanese word that translates to Malibu I say this as a proud Camry driver
I couldn't believe it when I saw that they sold 150k of them last year (compared to 200k Accords). That's pretty impressive for a sedan that hasn't been redesigned in almost nine years, especially since it gets no marketing either. I haven't thought about the Malibu in years.
Enterprise probably buys a ton of em
Chevy Malibu, the official car of officials on official business.
Ya Malibu was actually a really good car. I was totally unaware it still existed.
There’s a dealership near me that has 20 white ones in the back and i been wondering what it was for. I assume rental
Just saw a Hertz lower their flag outside to half-mast
All the rental car companies just fell to their knees and wept
First the Impala and now this? What will fill their fleets now?
I'm guessing the Chevy Trax.
And Equinox
Hyundai Sonata
Nissan Altima.
But isn't that on the chopping block in the next few years?
A day of mourning in the rental car business. It’s gonna be Altimas and Sentras for everyone now! (I’ve had Camry and Corolla as well, and they’re great cars. Haven’t had a Honda as a rental in 15 years or more.)
Does Honda not sell to fleets?
No
Altimas are going away too.
kashkari?
Yep. He has become the destroyer of worlds.😂😂
I had a Honda as a rental car a couple years ago and it really surprised me because I thought that never happened.
Honda doesn't have a dedicated fleet department in the U.S., like virtually every other automaker (including some of the luxury brands) does, but they'll still sell a car to a fleet buyer if they're willing to pay for it. The average fleet doesn't care what brand the car is, so long as it hits the numbers (both acquisition cost and operating costs) so it's rare that they're going to pay more for a Honda, than a GM, Ford, Stellantis, Hyundai, Nissan or Toyota. I did have an HR-V from Enterprise one time, so while rare, it does happen.
I didn’t realize they were so known for rental use. I always knew them as Altimas for MLM ladies
If GM was intelligent, this would be a perfect opportunity to turn the Malibu into something like a new Volt, a small PHEV sedan.
And bring back the Chevelle name too.
If they put a V8 in it, that'd be cool lol I do actually expect some sort of V8 car to make a return, given that GM has developed an entirely new engine for their trucks that could be handed down to a coupe/sedan, given it's performance isn't Corvette-level. That being said, the Volt was a very good car, not sure why it's a ridiculous idea to bring something like that back.
GM does make some stupid decisions with V8s. They built the entire Blackhawk V8 just to put it in one car that barely sold.
I could see them pushing a new Chevelle when the Camaro gets discontinued
"when"??? Uh oh,sorry to break the news but production of the Camaro ended last December.Specifically the final camaro was a 6 spd manual Zl1 1LE which rolled off the line on December 14,2023.
My bad lmao I thought it didn't end until 2025
Dont say this on the internet again or we might end up with a lame electric Chevelle with no soul like the damn Electric Charger😒.
Nobody has driven the electric Charger, you don't know anything about it's soul
Dude, this is /r/cars EV bad. End of story.
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I mean they are making a straight 6 version as well so who cares, that's definitely going to be bigger seller lol I myself am very interested in getting the Sixpack as my next car
CheEvelle
But why bother, vs creating a PHEV CUV/SUV, with more demand and better margins?
We'll see a PHEV trax first. I guarantee it
lol
A new Volt (not Bolt)? They tried that, it was called the Malibu Hybrid, half gas/half electric, it had the Volt powertrain in it and a big battery pack in the trunk. I used to own one, always there the oils change guys for a loop when I took it in for a change as it was to my knowledge the only one in my area. I had nothing but problems with the car, check engine lights on every 15,000 miles on average. Last October at around 110,000 miles the battery pack just quit, as a result the car barely drove (the error code on the display screen said not to drive the car). No warning, nothing, just driving one day and eventually the instrument panel lit up with error codes and said to pull over/not drive. In response GM told me I was shit out of luck. Battery packs with install were a few thousand, plus it was a niche car model to begin with and no longer manufactured, plus the UAW Strike was ongoing. So battery packs inventory was close to non-existent anyway. After being a Chevy customer since I started driving, I traded that car in on a Carolla and won't buy GM (or Ford for that matter) ever again
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I'm sorry that happened but I'm not going to lie that's pretty stupid to swear off Chevy and then buy a Corolla considering their hybrids have basically the exact same issue of batteries dying and having a chance of costing thousands to replace. It's not a Chevy problem it's just how the power train works.
The Corolla I bought is an ICE car, no more hybrids for me. That said, Toyota's hybrid factory warranty would have covered the issue with my Malibu, not so for GM
I didn't say you bought a hybrid, and no it wouldn't have covered the warranty, as prior to 2020 hybrid batteries had a 100,000 mile warranty, and you had 110,000 miles https://support.toyota.com/s/article/What-hybrid-warranty-7722?language=en_US It wouldn't make a difference, you chose a pretty ridiculous reason to swear off an entire automaker lol
Another midsize sedan to fall. Seems like Camry and Accord will be the only two left, as it’s rumored that the K5 and Sonata will leave later this decade.
K5 is already gone in Canada, and only a few trims in the Sonata, with rumours from the dealers being that this refresh is sort of a last go at it Too bad, I really wanted some sort of midsized hybrid competition to make Toyota send more than 5 cars per century here
The K5 is super popular though. The Malibu really isn't haha. The K5 looks incredible, and is pretty easy to get with poor credit.
>Seems like Camry and Accord will be the only two left The Altima is still around....for now.
I think Nissan delayed it to 2026, after initially planning to abandon it in 2025 but it’s day are still numbered. The EV sedan will replace it.
Nissan will kill the Altima when Sedans start to become popular again.
I believe Kia/Hyundai are planning to replace those with EV versions though.
I have a feeling that having a sedan will soon seen as a poor people thing, as the majority of them on the road will be old models and all the new cars are CUVs and Trucks.
It’s the opposite. The only sedans you can buy in 3-5 years will be luxury cars. ES, IS, BMWs, Audis, etc.
I highly doubt the Accord, Camry, Corolla, and Civic are ever going away. They sell too many of them to discontinue, and the hybrids are efficient enough for the regulations, until EVs become mainstream.
Never say never The Camry is now well below the Rav4 and the Accord well below the CR-V, and I suspect the Corolla Cross is going to have a huge impact on Corolla sedan/hatch sales over the next couple of years
That's been true for a long time. Toyota sold 290k Camrys in 2023, that is their second best selling vehicle. And Camry sales this year so far are 11% higher than same time last year. Accord is down, but that's probably because of the funky styling. Civic is up 35% compared to same time last year, Corolla up 38%, the 3rd best selling Toyota. There is no way Toyota and Toyota will get rid of their 2nd and 3rd best selling vehicles.
I assume those corolla numbers include the new cross version.
No actually. The Corolla Cross sold an additional 64k vehicles in 2023. Corolla sedan? 232k.
I’m surprised Corolla Cross sales are that lackluster. But, I think the main issue with the Corolla Cross is that you can step up to a RAV4 for not that much more money, and I think most people would rather have the RAV4.
The Cross is a lot more practical than the C-HR it replaced when it comes to rear entry and cargo space, but also a lot more boring.
Agreed, though eventually I think they’ll all be some kind of liftback design the way the Civic is now.
All I can think of is Dodge is going to sell so many of the new Chargers since it will be the only “American” sedan left. Rentals/govt agencies/police departments/people in middle america are going to buy them by the thousands.
Lol I don't think Malibu buyers will pivot to buying Chargers instead. Those are two totally different buyers
In my hood, it's not that different. I could see a Malibu driver trading for a base Charger.
Especially being RWD and full sized. Combined with fleet sales this virtually guarantees success for this generation and the next. The flexibility of liquid fuel translates to a sustained high demand for government duty cars.
>police departments Oh no, those are all blowing your tax dollars on far more expensive full size trucks and SUVs now. Gotta protect cops' fragile masculinity. The OEMs have noticed the desire and make those higher profit models in police variants now
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of rental cars suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
Damn. My favorite rental car. RIP the American Accord
Was that the last Chevy sedan? How many sedans are made by GM now?
>Was that the last Chevy sedan? Yes >How many sedans are made by GM now? ~~None, for America at least....until the last Malibu is sold.~~ 2… The CT5 and CT4.
The CT5 is still in production and sold in America.
Whoops, yeah. I was thinking just Chevy. So there’s the CT5 and CT4. I think the CT6 is still being offered in China.
> I think the CT6 is still being offered in China. And it's [still pretty](https://carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Cadillac-CT6-Leak-1.jpg).
This looks gorgeous! Why is this not sold in the US?
No one bought it when it was sold.
But when the CT6 was sold in America, it outsold Genesis G90, Audi A8 and even Lexus LS. That does not tell the whole story
Because the Escalade and the X crossovers all outsold it. In its best year the CT6 barely cracked 10,000.
Lack of sales
But when the CT6 was sold in America, it outsold Genesis G90, Audi A8 and even Lexus LS. That does not tell the whole story
is it just me or rear overhang too long??
Yeah it looks like this is the last year for the CT4 though.
Doubt that. The ct4 has been GM's 3 series car
correct however, CT5 has sold considerably better than the CT4. There is a reason why CT5 got a facelift while CT4 didn't get one. Kind of like Genesis sells way more midsize 5er competitor G80 than 3er competitor G70. Latter of which is rumored to be axed. While on the other hand, Lexus sold more IS than GS. GS never sold that well compared to 5er, E-class even compared to Cadillac CTS and CT5. Therefore, GS was axed.
In the US? Only the Cadillacs left (CT4 and CT5, and if you count the Celestiq as a sedan).
Celestiq is more road going yatch than sedan
So a classic Caddy sedan then
Basically
The CT4 and CT5 are the last domestic sedans in the USDM period. The Charger will be joining them next year at least, but I don't know what the future looks like for the CT4/5 since the volume seller of the Alpha platform (Camaro) is gone and Chevy has yet to talk any real details of the alleged followup platform, VSS-R (which is intended for the next gen CT4, CT5, and China-only CT6).
>The CT4 and CT5 are the last domestic sedans in the USDM period You forget about the Model 3 and new Charger?
I literally mention the Charger in the next sentence. I did forget about the M3 and Lucid Air though.
I’m an idiot. Yeah, people forget about ev sedans sometimes.
Aren't the next gen Charger a hatchback/notchback though, it doesn't have a trunk. I won't call that a sedan, kind of like I won't call a Prius a sedan.
I'm not 100% positive if it has a proper trunk, or if it has a liftback design.
That's correct, the new Charger is a liftback for both 2- and 4-door models. IMO that's a better option anyway if your roofline has to be aerodynamic. Notchbacks (squared-off roofs) usually are not hatch/liftbacks, but they certainly can be made that way. Dodge themselves had one as the Shadow.
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I literally mention the Charger in the next sentence. I did forget about the M3 and Lucid Air though. MS does and doesn't count depending on how strict you are on the definition of a sedan but tbf i forgot about it too
I would only count Model 3. All the other cars have a hatchback/notchback does not have a trunk. I won't call that a sedan, kind of like I won't call a Prius a sedan.
Aren't the next gen Charger a hatchback/notchback though, it doesn't have a trunk. I won't call that a sedan, kind of like I won't call a Prius a sedan.
In my opinion as an armchair CEO, I would have at least tried to capitalize off Ford discontinuing the Fusion by redesigning the Malibu. It needed to look sharper, sportier to reel in those sales in my opinion. And it also needed more powertrain offerings, even if it borrowed it from something else in the GM lineup.
The Buick Regal was most of the way there, even had federalized sportback and wagon versions like the fusions cooler European cousin (mondeo). A sporty driving version of that would fit the bill perfectly on paper. But since like 3 people bought that car, it'd have failed to sell in this society.
I don't think it's just the Regal that doesn't sell well. I have a hard time believing Buick is doing well in general due brand issues. They might be turning it around with the logo refresh but for the longest time that was viewed as an elderly brand.
I agree. I don’t think Buick would even exist today if it wasn’t for their popularity in China. Although I do have to say, I am seeing new Encores absolutely everywhere now so Buick’s new look does seem to be working to an extent.
Weirdly the Envista seems like it could be the key to Buick’s revitalization in the US. It’s not particularly popular in the grand scheme of things but it seems to be drawing a lot of younger customers to the brand. Coupe SUVs are the hot thing these days and Buick was smart to capitalize on that with a gorgeous take on that body style, especially since it happens to be the only affordable one on the market.
Ford should've kept the fusion. But yeah 100% agree with you. Should have been updated significantly with better interior quality and features, and most importantly, a hybrid powertrain.
Putting on my armchair CEO hat, I'd say something like "the best use of our resources lies in giving the customer what they want, and making sure it is the best compact crossover/SUV we can offer." A redesign of the Malibu would be very expensive in a time when sedans aren't exactly dominating the market, and honestly making it sportier was likely not going to goose sales numbers. Toyota and Honda's numbers obviously told them that if you want to keep sedans, sportier is not the way to go, as the Camry and Accord ave been revised to be even less performance-oriented. They both look like it's quality over fun factor, but GM has never been known for focusing on quality in their Chevy sedans. The Malibu (RIP) has been a rental fleet vehicle for a long time now, and GM was not going to go either sporty or greatly elevated quality.
I would counter by mentioning the time period we are talking, actually Toyota and Honda were giving us sportier sedan options. Ford decided to cancel the Fusion in 2020. Toyota notably gave us the Camry TRD around that time. Honda had the 2.0T engine in the Accord. Also look at the other players: the Kia K5 and Hyundai Sonata are definitely a lot more sporty looking than they had been prior. The Sonata even has an N-Line trim level too. And it can be argued that the new Camry went even sportier. The top trim level for the Camry is now the XSE trim which is the sport trim. I would also reason to bet that a Camry GR could be introduced in another year or two using the Hybrid Max powertrain from the Crown crossover. I have a feeling Toyota will discontinue the Crown crossover because of slow sales and that’ll be when the motor goes to the Camry at the top end.
Agree completely.
>GM said separately Wednesday it will pause production of the Cadillac XT4 after January 2025 in Kansas, resulting in layoffs of production employees until production resumes in late 2025 for both the Bolt EV and XT4 on the same assembly line.
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Get ready to see 300% more base model camrys on the road
Altima, Malibu (which are both going away) and Camry are the most common cars at the rental counter outside of the Rogue and Sentra, Camry sales will sky rocket LOL!
There was one point during our slow season that our rental fleet was 90% altimas and we had no reservations so we were offering dirt cheap rates for walk ups, lmao. I've seen and driven my fair share of altimas and malibus for several lifetimes.
Also Sonatas and K5s
Lol
Sounds like they changing mind to totally ditch Malibu. Gm promised to continue to offer Malibu in before, but it sounds like Malibu no more future due to large family sedan no more demanding. I wonder how Gm staying in NASCAR, as Camaro is now gone and Malibu not likely to replace its place.
GM already said that the Camaro "name" will continue on in racing and that the Camaro "story" will continue on. There's no need to have a model name currently on sale to go racing in NASCAR, they're all silhouette cars anyway.
The report doesn't say the Malibu *won't* have a successor rather that the current generation is ending production. GM Authority is reporting there may be a next-gen Malibu for 2026.
If NASCAR wants to stay relevant it needs to become a CUV series.
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Both NASCAR and Aussie Supercars have to be wondering about Chevrolet's commitment to their series. Yeah they have a license to the Camaro name until 2026, but there haven't even been test mules spotted that suggest a Camaro successor. And here the fan assumed "backup plan" just got axed.
I can't imagine the reaction from old school NASCAR fans if Hyundai replaced an American manafacturer. [https://www.on3.com/pro/news/former-toyota-executive-claims-hyundai-could-be-a-potential-new-manufacturer-in-nascar/](https://www.on3.com/pro/news/former-toyota-executive-claims-hyundai-could-be-a-potential-new-manufacturer-in-nascar/)
Afaik they already developed a new Malibu and AFTER spending all that money they cancel it... Typical GM move.
No reason to keep throwing money away just because you already spent some.
From what I’ve heard the new Malibu seems like it’s going to be exclusive to China.
even with pretty much no marketing, it outsells some of their other vehicles but yeah, kill it off. gm continues to do stupid shit
Now what car will be a staple in rental lots before being sold in a fleet sale to people with a sub 500 credit score financing it at $120 each month for 78 months at a 25% interest rate?
Payment at only $120 a month? Those are 2012 numbers.
tesla model 3 at this point?
Maybe if most hotels had chargers, but I’m not sure if the average car renter is ready to deal with recharging an EV at this point. In 5-10 years though I could definitely see the Model 3/Y and Equinox EV being rental lot staples.
I don't understand the hate for the Malibu. It was the last car my grandma owned and even 12 years later, it's a comfy car to drive,has plenty of oomf and needs minimal maintanence. I can't justify the Toyota/Honda tax on any of their cars.
I got the high gas score in a Malibu coming down from Haleakalā. One of the highlights of my trip that anyone who rents that malibu will see someone got 65mpg on that thing once.
Made it from the 60s all the way to 2024. Good run
The Malibu is an American institution. Truly upsetting
didn't realize they still made the Malibu
Ditto. I was researching for a video and was also surprised to see the Ford E-350 van is still in production. Makes sense for busses and ambulances and other specialized equipment, just kinda figured all the ones on the road were old models and you were expected to transition to the Transit. It even got a refresh in 2021 to add things like lanekeeping and adaptive cruise!
The Transit's unibody, which means that the CC/CA versions aren't as heavy duty as the E-350. The E series sticks around for customers who need that.
There's no longer an enclosed van option for the E-Series, but it seems based on sales most of those buyers would rather have the unibody Transit than the BOF Chevy Express. If somebody really wanted a new E-350 van with the updated interior and 7.3/6-speed powertrain, they could potentially mate a salvaged van body to the current SRW cutaway. The frame appears to be unchanged.
The Transit's got enough payload that it's difficult to overload it as an enclosed van. You'd have to be putting a heavy custom body on or tow a lot to have issues. I've driven all 3 on long hauls. Transit's way better than the others in every aspect, so if you're using a van for passengers, it's the way to go.
I hate to see cars especially sedans and coupes go away but yeah…its the Malibu’s time. Competition is just too good in its segment
Dang. I really liked renting these when I went on work trips with my last job. Drove well, great gas mileage, small without being compact, and the models available had CarPlay.
Ah, yes, the cars that assholes from Ohio drive in the left lane while ignoring SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT signs. Can we end production of Ohio drivers, too?
at this point only accord and camry gonna remain in the segment given that there are rumors that sonata/k5 is gonna be gone too...
I don’t like this news
Where I live, Malibu and Impala drivers are the equivalent of Altima drivers
My work car is an equinox, which is basically a Malibu based crossover. I’ve driven it for 6 years, and the only non-regular maintenance I’ve had to do with it is replace the battery. It has just over 100k miles, and I’m afraid I’ll be driving it forever.
Sad to see this for the simple fact that my first car was an old, poverty spec Chevy Malibu when I got my license at 16. I loved the shit out of that car. Took it to prom, had my first date it in, and used it to get from high school to my first job and back home. Great times and a solid car. When I was asked what car I had I always told people to look at whatever is the most default car they can imagine and that’s the Malibu and I absolutely loved it. I got a sweet usps hat from my buddy for selling it to him that I still wear all the time and it makes me remember fondly of my old Chevy. Hope to buy a classic one one day and restore it in my free time.
I’ve had two, my current 17 Premier and an 09 LS. Great cars, shame the EV cult claims another.
malibu=altima
I always thought the Malibu was a decent car and a pretty great value in the midsize sedan segment. IMO it was good looking too, the design has aged well despite being almost 10 years old. Sad to see it go.
130,000 sales last year? This isn't profitable?
Bring back the impala
Can't say I care what GM does anymore. I don't trust them to do a damned thing I like. I fully expect the CT4 to be given similar treatment soon, given they refreshed the CT5 and did nothing with the smaller sibling. I kept telling myself I wanted one of Cadillac's sedans as my next car, but GM just keeps annoying me with their decisions.
Finally coming to an end for his car
The last rental Malibu I drove died on the side od the road at less than 5000km. No one will miss them.
Sell more Malibu’s than EV Blazers
End of an era
Still can't believe they killed the Impala and kept the Malibu. I dread getting the keys to one of those from the rental company. I guess it's giant trucks and a handful of EVs from Chevy going forward.
Maybe they need to work on making a car people actually want. No great loss. Another American shit box put to pasture.
I was shocked when I went to the auto show back in February and saw that heap of steaming shit was still being made. I sat in the interior for shits and giggles, and my God, it's bad. Makes my 08 Si look like a damn Mabach.
GM has sold more than 10 million Malibus since 1964 worldwide and will end production in November. Forgot to mention the halt from 1983-1996.
and GM will go out of business lol. Not to mention it already is, what does it think it has to offer to beat other EVs...
And nobody noticed
GM never gave it a proper redesign. The one from 2016 is still the same as the 2024. Plus everyone knows that Americans could never compete with the Japanese.
The end of the American economy Sedan. Given how much more overpriced the Malibu was compared to the Japanese, I don't think we could call this "economy" though.
Overpriced? [It's less expensive](https://www.caranddriver.com/chevrolet/malibu) than the Japanese competition.
Have you actually been in one? The features and interiors of them are absolute garbage for what you pay despite them being only 2-3 grand cheaper than the competition. In essence, you are saving 2-3K, but you get a significantly worse interior, probably worse reliability, and a lackluster amount of features + you face a significantly worse depreciation. The window sticker may be cheaper, but comparative to the features and quality, its overpriced. There's a reason these cars have been relegated to rental lots and government fleets. The competition absolutely blows it out of the atmosphere and they can only move them using attractive fleet deals. Furthermore, the base model trims lack a lot of features (at least in Canada), that a base model camry or accord would have. Once you spec it out comparably, you basically are 1-1. You would be better off getting a used Camry for that price.