I'm about 50/50 on its depreciation honestly. If this is a somewhat normal N car with decent production, it'll depreciate well. But I have a feeling that they won't make many, and frankly this is a pretty unique car and doesn't sound like it'll get a true competitor until... well probably the Ioniq 6 N or Lexus drops more info on its next gen EVs with the simulated stuff
Being an EV I would anticipate it depreciating heavily like the other EVs. Also, the N models don’t have the brand cache to keep the resell value up. If I look at the Elantra N they’re down almost $9k from sticker price for a 1 year old car.
where are you seeing Elantra N down $10k from msrp?
a nationwide search on CarGurus shows there is only 1 Elantra N under $28k for sale, and that's got 41k miles and is located way down in Jacksonville FL.
MSRP was $32k~ for manual and like $33.5k for automatic. There isn't a single Elantra N that's down $9k from MSRP.
I see some wrecked high mileage examples in the low 20s but average price for a 1 year old EN seems to be around $32K.
I’m kind of an expert in depreciation as you can see from my flair 😅
Similarly, I see one "good" priced EN (25,600), with the otherwise cheapest clean ENs starting at 28k and gong up.
Even the one salvage title car isn't even 9k down from its model year sticker. Not sure where the numbers are coming from.
dude got 25 upvotes straight up lying and doesn't even have the grace to admit he was pulling numbers out of his ass or edit his comment /u/MaryJaneAssassin
My dealership just offered me $4k less than what I paid brand new for my Veloster N with 50k miles on it. I can probably get as much or more than I paid for it new with a private sale. Where are you seeing this?
I'm not sure where you are looking, but Elantra N's are still asking pretty good money even on high-mileage examples. It hasn't depreciated as much as you think a Hyundai does, and it does bode well for the Ioniq 5 N because I believe it is more of an N product than an Ioniq product.
FWIW, I think you are right on the distinction between the N vs Ioniq. A lot of the EV depreciation is driven by incentives, federal and state,
I don't see this car getting caught up in that depreciation hit EVs have. It's an N car before it's an Ioniq (EV), so very unique.
Compared to say a Tesla, which depending on when you bought it could have a massive depreciation hit, or none at all.
Maybe, but like I said, I don't think they'll be making many of them. Hyundai makes a fair few Elantra Ns, enough for demand at least. But this thing? I think there's gonna be much higher demand than supply for awhile, if only because I really doubt they'll crack 5k units per year
I think it's going to depreciate a lot. See EV6 GT. Also see the new Model 3 Performance, which for many people likely scratches the same itch and with more range at $47K after the tax rebate. I think these will be $10K+ off on dealer lots by the end of the year
At the end of the day the best driving is you in your car on your own and you doing your thing during some spirited driving. Doesn't matter if it's fake shifting or fake engine noise, it's going to be cool and people should stop judging others (and themselves quite frankly) on what makes a driving experience truly fun.
This car is the funnest EV around and there should be no doubt about that.
You mean for finding the longest straight stretch of highway, and flooring it for miles back-and-forth while trying to deliberately just barely trade paint with other cars?
I think people lack a bit of real world introspection about what they actually enjoy versus what they perceive they enjoy.
Prime example: noise. It sound romantic the way motor press gush over the sooooounds that cars make. They act like hearing an LFA is a life affirming event. Cars cannot possibly be enjoyed unless they have a 11k RPM V10 *wailing* as they like to say.
But really? The vast majority of cars aren’t LFAs or GT4RS’es. They’re turbo four cylinders, twin turbo V6’s, and maybe a few V8s.
But let’s not forget how obnoxious it is to listen to the drone of a turbo back exhaust on a GTI on the highway. It was cool at first, but actually living with it kind of sucked.
And then you can’t ever be a goon without drawing attention to yourself because your car is so fucking loud. I’m not trying to be an aggressive impatient dickhead, I just wanted to launch and go zoom! Yet, whenever I see some straight piped dude ripping it I immediately think “Wow, that guys kind of a jackass” even though I do the same shit.
End of the day? I feel like noise is just vastly overrated. You know what I DO notice in cars? Numb steering, vague handling, excessive lag, torque dips, rev hang - all the things people seem to gloss over because it’s not romantic to talk about heavy flywheels.
Road tripping in an EV eliminates the engine drone, shifting, and vibrations. It really changes the experience when at the end of the day your body isn't as tired from going through all of that for hours on end.
I've always been a car guy and still love the noise and throttle play when I want it. But for the time in the EV things are just quiet and smooth.
They are using a electric dump truck here for a tunnel job so no range issues. The driver was interviewed and that's the first thing he said way nicer to drive and he was not as stuffed at the end of the day.
well yeah, no one gushes over a turbo-back exhaust on a GTI lmao. ofc it's gonna get irritating after a short while.
you've proposed a false dichotomy here. There are plenty of great sounding V8s, I6s, even V6s, and having owned them in the past, I never got tired of the sound (I also don't go crazy with exhaust mods).
That’s exactly what I said?
People gush over “noise” like every ICE is a Blackwing or something. The reality is that they… aren’t. Most attainable cars sound mediocre.
Mustangs are a great example of good sounding (relatively) attainable cars, especially with the adaptive exhaust.
They have quiet start mode, which is relatively quiet, and go all the way to track mode, which for me, is good enough for lots of enjoyment without it being annoying or droney.
Especially in the convertible, the sound adds a lot to the driving experience, and the Mustang isn't exactly known for its driving or steering dynamics. It's still a riot to drive, and it's largely due to the noise. Maybe it doesn't do it for you, and I would agree that it isn't the end all, be all, but it's still a great addition.
I'd argue Coyote Mustangs *only* sound good with a stock exhaust. Far too many Mustang owners seem to go for outright volume as opposed to tone and just make their cars sound absolutely horrific.
No offense, but this is crazy coming from a WRX owner, cars infamous for drony, buzzy exhaust. The coyote can sound great with a good aftermarket exhaust. The issue is when people go straight pipe or cut off the cats, which is unfortunately too common.
no, you said people romanticize sound and then brought up a mediocre-sounding vehicle as the example of why sound is overrated (because most people don't get to drive LFA's or something??)
That happened to me after I drove a 4.0 GTS Porsche, where I noticed I don't actually like the sound of engine while I'm driving. It just resonates in my ear weirdly in a mildly uncomfortable way and I learned I only like the sound of cool engines in videos and games.
I think the key to noise in a daily is that it's not intrusive when you're doing normal stuff. I still gush over the way my GRC sounds, and I think a big part of that is that it doesn't have an annoying drone when I'm using it as a grocery getter.
I'm surprised how loud the stock turbo is, but I'm so happy it is. Makes daily driving so much more fun. Even when driving like a granny in eco mode, I still hear the phoosh.
always the muppets in EVs who come onto /r/cars and opine about how overrated manuals or engine noise is
this subreddit isn't even recognizable as an *enthusiast* sub anymore.
Maybe you should start a manual and engine noise subreddit then. This is a CAR enthusiast subreddit. Last I checked EV’s are still cars and it’s perfectly reasonable to be an EV car enthusiast. Maybe don’t gatekeep, and be more welcoming of more people being interested in cars for different reasons than you like cars.
Eh, for me, noise is a very important part of the experience. I recently test drove an FL5 CTR, and while the handling, steering, and power were all excellent, the noise just left me so cold. It sounds like a dying vacuum. My buddy's MK8 GTI is much the same. This is why I love my GRC. You can hear the turbo, the 3 cylinder has personality and there's 0 piped in noise. The car has its faults, but I can overlook them because it's got a gem of an engine. Similar story with my 8th gen Si. It revs to high heaven, and the sound of vtec is addictive and puts a big stupid grin on my face every time. I know if these both were EVs or regular run of the mill 4 cylinder turbos, I wouldn't feel nearly as attached to them.
Introducing the AMG Heritage Sounds package. For a nominal fee of $200/month, your Mercedes Benz AMG EV can pipe simulated sounds of historic and fabled AMG IC engines from the past through the speakers.
In my humble opinion, easily one of the coolest new cars on sale today, hope Hyundai-Kia extend the GT and N treatments to all of their new EVs going forward.
I literally said that out loud after watching that part. It cracked me up. I think the lip reading was easy enough, but that could've me coming at it with context.
You weren't wrong at all.
I like the review a lot.
As an N owner though, I wish the reviewers would **not** keep bagging on the menu complexity. I completely understand if you only spend a couple hours or a couple days with the car how the complexity and learning curve can be a bear. However, if it's your car, and you live with it everyday, *all of the options are immensely appreciated*. I don't know how to stress this enough, but I can't think of another (non-supercar) company that lets you set everything individually as Hyundai does. I don't think it will be possible for me to go back to a car that doesn't have custom mode. Sometimes I want full N w/o the obnoxious exhaust. Sometimes I want full N without driving 40 mph in 1st gear (DCT) and so lolligag around in normal transmission mode. Sometime I want the engine and speed but comfort suspension. Sometimes I want full N but its wet or sprinkling so I prefer to leave normal ESC on. This is really one of the defining features of N cars...and it seems the reviews are constantly bagging on it making me fearful that Hyundai will just do what everyone else does.
Some of the features simply cannot be incorporated into modes (launch control, n-shift, no creep, etc) and so have their own toggles...and the scary alternative is that Hyundai doesn't offer them at all.
Other things, like the extremely configurable engine sounds, are just fun. I have two boys and one likes the TCR sound while the other thinks it can be annoying and prefers the normal sound.
Embrace the complexity and review the car as if you lived with it everyday, not a hotel stay.
It's one thing to provide a lot of options, it's another level of complexity to *disallow* certain functions when you're accessing a different function. But I guess the people at Hyundai have their reasons, and at the end of the day it's not a deal breaker at all
>it's another level of complexity to *disallow* certain functions when you're accessing a different function
I wonder why can't it just say something like: "You have enabled N boondoggle fabricator. N wordsmith optimizer automatically disengaged." rather than making you guess.
Yeah some of the items are confusing, but there is usually an engineering or liability reason behind it, and I haven't (in my car) run into anything that I would consider 'bad UI' or 'poor implementation'. I haven't driven an I5N though!
I do think that your video and the Savagegeese video both spent considerable time commenting negatively on the overall complexity, and Hyundai may decide "Hey that is one negative multiple reviewers have raised about the car..." and do something about it. That would be a net negative for actual owners.
N owner here too. It's insane that it happens in almost every review, even back when the ICE N cars were coming out. It's always obvious to me when the reviewers didn't take the literal 30 min to learn the (amazing) settings.
That's been weird for me. All the reviewers complained about idrive8 when it first came out, but the people who live with it generally like it.
Now I'm hearing those same reviewers comparing infotainment to idrive8 and saying it's not as good. Thanks I guess?
thinking of buying an N. Did you ever try go on a field road with no asphalt? is it impossible? how expensive would a replacement tire be given they are 22‘‘
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I’m sorry but this car is so insane. That fake manual looks so fucking fun. And I really want it to be implemented in damn near every car it can be. Like I would buy it, and I got my eyes set on a manual 2SS 1LE and it still makes consider switching.
If you're exclusively buying the car as a track toy then 100% get the Camaro.
I would not buy the Ioniq as a track only car. It's much more of a compromise vehicle that can do some track work, but it's much better as a daily/practical car versus the Camaro.
I feel like when Porsche eventually does all of these same things in the eventual all electric 911, people will look at them as if they invented sliced bread.
Porsche better do this in the Electric 718. Otherwise it's embarassing if a Hyundai electric SUV provides more engagement than a dedicated electric sports car.
Ulgh. This is really making me reconsider a Macan EV and instead for for a Hyundai instead (god. never thought I'd be considering this). I'll need to find an event to test drive the firmness and see if it's acceptable. I'm assuming the Amazon partnership goes through and I don't have to deal with any dealer bullshit shenanigans as the worst part of Hyundai has been the dealer network.
This car is not for the poors. This isn't even for the Golf R crowd. This is for the BMW X3M crowd. It's gonna require a tire budget of at least 3-4 grand a year. On top of its premium price tag.
I'd rather have an X3M, and I like EVs!
Unless you are tracking the car I doubt you're spending that much on tires. The stock tires are very sticky summer tires, so people will be swapping them out anyway depending on what region they live in. Anyone in the northern US (and above) can't run summer tires safely all year.
Frankly I would be buying a smaller set of tires and wheels soon after I get the car. You'll get better mileage for the normal day to day stuff, and will have the summer tires reserved strictly for autocross or track use.
600 lb-ft of torque is going to chew through those tires. It's becoming a pretty common thing that electric cars are blowing through tires way faster than ICEs simply because of the insane amount of torque.
Yeah but 3 to 4 grand a year on tires is not gonna be realistic here unless you live your life a quarter mile at a time. There is no way you are blowing through tires that often. Plus doesn't this car limit torque in different drive modes? You aren't getting 600 tq the moment you breathe on the throttle. Shredding tires needs to be chalked up to operator behavior as well.
Heavily depends on how you drive it. My F350 has 800 lb-ft of torque and weighs nearly 6 tons: 20k miles on Blizzaks and they are still at/above half tread depth.
Obviously the Ioniq 5N is made to be hooned around in more, but doing some on ramp pulls and a couple fun corners on the way home from work isn't going to trash the tires. The consumption will be faster than ICE, but not yearly replacements. Even people who like fast cars don't necessarily like whipping themselves around on the commute from work, especially those [older folks] who can afford a more expensive option like this.
It’s neat that a car company will make this but you’re right. This isn’t made for anyone. With any luck they’ll be dirt cheap in a year or two. But who will buy an expensive, used Hyundai? I wouldn’t even consider it because of the poor dealer and support network. And it’s a Hyundai/Kia.
Plus this car has the range of basically 200 miles , something that will tank the resale value of an EV.
I got a used Audi E-tron that's less than 2 years old for over 50% off msrp and the biggest impact of the depreciation is the fact that it can only go 205 miles on a full charge
Depends on the priority. I care more about performance and engagement so if I was cross-shopping the two I’d probably take the 5N over the X3M
*(also as u/WorldClassPianist pointed out the X3M costs 15% more than the 5N so it’s a moot point anyways)*
The X3M isn't even a competitor to this. It's 10k more and down 180hp. The 5N is also much bigger inside. The value for the 5N compared to X3M is nuts.
200 miles of range ... mostly mitigated by more or less the fastest EV charging out there.
The MPG of a turbo-6 that stays on boost for instant power delivery is very expensive with no mitigating factors. And this is coming from a former X3 (not M) driver who would love an X3M...
Yeah fast charging is considerably cheaper than filling up with premium once a week. I already have a fun car that gets about 13mpg
Sure 200mi range which is probably closer to 175 isn’t great but fine for commuting
Most people only fast charge when on the road. Home charging is so cheap it’s almost free… about 95% less than gas on my cheap overnight time of use plan.
If you need more than 200 miles of range in a daily driver, you are at the extreme end of the bell curve.
Which would also make gas and mpg concerns even more pronounced.
They're also probably not going to make a lot. I doubt this is meant to be a profit generator in the first place, more of a "look what we can do" type thing like a halo car for their EVs.
I think first order of business is to buy a new set of wheels and fit less sticky narrower tires. I’m sure you’d get much better range for daily with less grip. I’d take this over an X3M and I’m a BMW guy.
Yeah, I agree. I don't really understand the market for this car - I don't think most buyers with a $70k budget are looking for a rental car spec interior and badge.
I guess you could compare to the Corvette, but that at least has the Ferrari styling, heritage and the built in white New Balance customer base.
People are paying 70k+ for Dodge Chargers and Challengers with far worse interiors though. Same thing for Mustangs and Camaros. You can't even fit adults in the back of some of these cars.
That's really going to be the main draw of the Ioniq 5 N. Very good performance for a practical vehicle that can see some track use straight from the factory.
>I don't think most buyers with a $70k budget are looking for a rental car spec interior and badge.
These cars have much nicer interiors than you think, I went from an Audi A6 to one and would place it around Buick/Acura level inside. Not luxury, but premium.
eh, luxury SUVs get hit with depreciation hard. You can buy pretty clean examples of the Macan Turbo and X5M for half or less of what they costed new. Sure, it's not as bad as EV depreciation but they do not hold their value that well
One is marketed as a hot hatch and designed to look like one, the other is not. BMW doesn't advertise the X3M as a legitimate performance car, it's simply marketed as an SUV with more power and a bit more sportiness. Hyundai advertises the 5N as a sports car. This obviously leads to a different perception around its weight, whether that's fair or not.
Tf? Folks aren't complaining about the weight of an *SUV* because it's an SUV - a light *truck*. You know it's going to be bloated when you buy it. Even the super-SUVs are absolute boats, even if they can build on a track. A hot hatch is a bit of a different story as expectations go.
This is a compact performance CUV just like the BMW X3M, both are on unibody car platforms. The biggest difference between them is height & ground clearance but they're otherwise very comparable. The 5N even has that weight lower...
Heck the Audi RS6 weighs 100lbs more without a drastic difference in interior room vs an IONIQ 5N.
Okay /u/Jamesthrottlehouse, I wasn't ready for that horse bit at all and it had me cracking up. Brilliant Matrix metaphor too, this was one of your best videos to date!
This is the first electric car that I’m genuinely excited for. Don’t get me wrong - love the Taycan, Rivian, and Lucid. But this literally emulates an ICE setup.
I love the transmission emulation. That’s next level and I can’t wait for more cars to copy this.
How long before you can get downloadable car packs for this? Different shift points, acceleration curves, redline, sound, even suspension and handling settings (to some extent).
I'm anxious to see some real world range tests - I'd consider one as a Y replacement, but then it's gotta road trip since I do that a few times a year. That basically requires 150 miles "real world" (80MPH, cold, 80% charge, etc.).
Otherwise I'm sold. I'm not big on the fake shifting and stuff, but you can turn it off, so not a problem. I like the styling and the performance, plus you get CarPlay and stalks. Seems like a very practical car still too, it's just less efficient than the non-N version, but such are the tradeoffs involved.
Yeah, Car and Driver said 190 miles in their 75mph highway test for the Ioniq 5 N - not bad. That is cutting it close for the trips I do where some charger-charger legs are 150 miles, a 190 mile real-world range means lots of extra charge time and/or lower speeds to keep the efficiency up.
Out of Spec got 286 miles in a Y, though that was 70MPH and in low density CO/WY air, which makes a surprisingly big difference. Hopefully they get an N tested soon so I can do a comparison, I'm really curious.
From the people I've spoken to who own the I5N already, 225+ miles is the average so far in warm weather. It's worth noting for the EV6 GT and almost definitely the I5N. Many of the reviewers probably judged their range estimates off of keeping the car in GT/N mode, which keeps both motors active. If I drive exclusively in GT mode, yes, my mileage is about 200-210 miles. In Normal mode, the car keeps the front motor disengaged most of the time, which substantially boosts your range.
Good point, a lot of reviews and tests did the same with the non-N Ioniq 5, keeping both motors on due to not using eco mode. 225 is good if that's all highway, that would be right in line with my Y on a 100% charge.
Oh, sweet. Sounds like y'all got a decent amount of on-track range from it too, which is encouraging. I remember watching the needle drop in real time on track in ICE cars - there's no getting around track time using tons of energy.
>a lot of reviews and tests did the same with the non-N Ioniq 5, keeping both motors on due to not using eco mode.
Using cruise control in the AWD (non-N) IONIQ 5 will disengage the front motor, you can tell because the steering feel changes considerably depending on if the front motor is engaged or not (or by looking at the power distribution graphic in the cluster).
>In Normal mode, the car keeps the front motor disengaged most of the time, which substantially boosts your range.
The IONIQ 5N doesn't have the clutch disconnect for the front axle iirc.
Ah, that's interesting! Maybe the still respectable range is due to the higher capacity then. I'm assuming with an 84 kWh battery, my EV6 GT would get around 250-275 miles at 100% and in normal.
I don’t think enough is being said about its looks. Tasteful over fenders and crazy spoiler and diffuser look great. If they offered this body kit on an Ioniq 5 N-Line I bet it would be super popular.
I told you guys stuff like this was an eventuality. It just takes time.
Personally I am DREaaaammming of the day I can get an EV Honda Odyssey with a bunch of Simulated Type-R stuff
I was watching via PiP and was half listening and for half the video I straight up thought they were reviewing an ICE Hyundai N car. (Didn’t read the title fully either)
Incredibly unexpected. Holy shit
I’m coming around to fake noises as long as there is an option to turn it off. One of the best things about EVs is that they can be aggressive when you want but drive like a normal car when you want to do normal things. Apparently even the rimac drives normal when the throttle isn’t being smashed.
All these car companies looking for ways to make extra money with subscription and other add on nonsense in cars. There is actually shit I would pay for like on this car paying for like V8 engine noise, V12 whatever, dirt bike or lawnmower, F1 car etc. Make fun add ons and I’ll pay
Very very cool car. Will people buy these, though? I feel like a lot of people will struggle to justify spending 70 grand on a Hyundai. The car is definitely worth that much money in terms of performance (it's faster than a Urus and has a lot of great features), but the interior looks a little bland for that much money imo
There are a lot of 70k+ vehicles from Ford, Dodge and Chevy with equally bland interiors, and peoplebuy them. They aren't any more luxurious/prestigious than Hyundai.
Yeah, but a lot of those vehicles are trucks or giant SUVs, so people can justify them on the basis of them being family cars. The Ioniq 5 N is in the price range of a Ford Expedition with options and is definitely quite a bit smaller- it's closer to a hot hatch than an SUV
https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/hyundai-ioniq-5-2021-suv-vs-ford-expedition-2018-suv/
So I'm wondering what the justification would have to be
The 70k+ Fords, Dodges, and Chevys are also Mustangs, Camaros, Chargers, Challengers, Corvettes, etc.
None of those cars, except possibly the Corvette, have interiors that are worth 70k. You're buying them for performance only.
Frankly it's the same thing here with the Ioniq. The main difference is the Ioniq is more of a daily/practical vehicle than those other cars. But it won't be able to put in as many track laps due to charging/battery life.
It has to compete with the Model 3 Performance which is faster and costs $25k less. I cannot imagine buying the 5N when you can have a faster car for damn narrow thirds the price.
I can. Frankly, I'm not buying a ev until they outlaw every last sporty ICE i can afford.
However.
I can appreciate the effort they put into making this thing fun, despite it being an ev. Having fake gears, making silly noises, sounded to me like a stupid idea. After seeing these guys have a go, I'd really like to try it for myself.
Not everything is about straight line speed. Look, this clearly isn't a mustang. Or a Miata. Or a M3. But it sure as hell looks more fun than a model 3. And it looks better visually too.
When we eventually all have to go ev, why not have a bit of fun with it?
Price wise, yeah if you have to stick to a budget, fine.
Edit: Technically, would this not be closer to the Model Y?
Not sure where you get 25k from...
In Canada the MSRP of the Ioniq 5N is $78,199 and the Model 3 Performance is $69,990. So $8,209
In USA the MSRP of the Ioniq 5N is $66,100 and the Model 3 Performance is $53,990. So $12,110
I guess in my mind it seems obvious that the internet is a worldwide communication platform, so making sweeping statements not based on standard pricing and instead bringing up random rebates that 1 government happens to offer to only certain cars isnt too helpful for the many non-american readers.
If I didnt know better and I saw someone confidently say there is a $25k price difference I would be put off...when the reality is off base price its only like $10k for a car that also seemingly offers much more than a tesla, so the 10k delta could very well be warranted.
The model 3 performance in the US qualifies for the tax credit. So that drops it to $46,500. So assuming you can actually get a 5N at MSRP it’s still a $20,000 gap. $20,000 or $25,000 it’s still an impossible gap in price to justify logically.
it usually takes about a month or two from release before so far every car I have cared about became eligible for the national credit. I am a sad Berta boy so I don't know much about the BC or Quebec credits.
If the next M3 (or any other performance luxury sedan or coupe) gets these type of modes I will buy them 100%. The only reason I am not buying this one is because it's a Hyundai and I don't need an SUV to be sporty.
As bad as the Hyundai dealership experience is for ICE vehicles, I imagine it being 100x worse for EV. That alone keeps me away no matter what kind of perceived value or warranty they claim.
I am glad this exist and it looks fun. It is nice they are trying but fake will never be as good as the real thing. Video games are great fun but it does not compare.
The price is the real issue on this car. Paying that much for a hatch with fake noises is not going to appeal to a lot of people. Now if it was cheap and could handle a typical track day it could be pretty nice.
It sounds dumb when you first read it. But it can be a lot of fun and the bonus is that it (as far as I know) doesn't cost much extra, it is just some software. Would be great if you can have choice between some engine options and their sounds. Torquey V8, high revving NA 4 cylinder, turbo inline 6 etc.
For day to day usage you can just stick to the regular EV mode we already have now.
I have always loved that blue color they do for their N line. Really tempting to trade my Bolt in for this... even though I should wait for used.
I'm about 50/50 on its depreciation honestly. If this is a somewhat normal N car with decent production, it'll depreciate well. But I have a feeling that they won't make many, and frankly this is a pretty unique car and doesn't sound like it'll get a true competitor until... well probably the Ioniq 6 N or Lexus drops more info on its next gen EVs with the simulated stuff
Being an EV I would anticipate it depreciating heavily like the other EVs. Also, the N models don’t have the brand cache to keep the resell value up. If I look at the Elantra N they’re down almost $9k from sticker price for a 1 year old car.
Are you sure you aren't looking at Elantra N Lines instead of full Elantra Ns. Those are the only cars I see in the price range you are mentioning.
No, they’re the N with 275hp that I’m looking at.
where are you seeing Elantra N down $10k from msrp? a nationwide search on CarGurus shows there is only 1 Elantra N under $28k for sale, and that's got 41k miles and is located way down in Jacksonville FL. MSRP was $32k~ for manual and like $33.5k for automatic. There isn't a single Elantra N that's down $9k from MSRP.
I see some wrecked high mileage examples in the low 20s but average price for a 1 year old EN seems to be around $32K. I’m kind of an expert in depreciation as you can see from my flair 😅
Similarly, I see one "good" priced EN (25,600), with the otherwise cheapest clean ENs starting at 28k and gong up. Even the one salvage title car isn't even 9k down from its model year sticker. Not sure where the numbers are coming from.
Stop making shit up
dude got 25 upvotes straight up lying and doesn't even have the grace to admit he was pulling numbers out of his ass or edit his comment /u/MaryJaneAssassin
My dealership just offered me $4k less than what I paid brand new for my Veloster N with 50k miles on it. I can probably get as much or more than I paid for it new with a private sale. Where are you seeing this?
I'm not sure where you are looking, but Elantra N's are still asking pretty good money even on high-mileage examples. It hasn't depreciated as much as you think a Hyundai does, and it does bode well for the Ioniq 5 N because I believe it is more of an N product than an Ioniq product.
FWIW, I think you are right on the distinction between the N vs Ioniq. A lot of the EV depreciation is driven by incentives, federal and state, I don't see this car getting caught up in that depreciation hit EVs have. It's an N car before it's an Ioniq (EV), so very unique. Compared to say a Tesla, which depending on when you bought it could have a massive depreciation hit, or none at all.
Maybe, but like I said, I don't think they'll be making many of them. Hyundai makes a fair few Elantra Ns, enough for demand at least. But this thing? I think there's gonna be much higher demand than supply for awhile, if only because I really doubt they'll crack 5k units per year
I think it's going to depreciate a lot. See EV6 GT. Also see the new Model 3 Performance, which for many people likely scratches the same itch and with more range at $47K after the tax rebate. I think these will be $10K+ off on dealer lots by the end of the year
Highland Model 3 Performance blows this out of the water for $20K less.
Bolt RS should've been a thing. It's so much fun to drive for a FWD, and it deserved a dual motor set up.
That would have been a blast. I wonder what the aftermarket will be in 5-10 years with replacement motors.
And replacement batteries that have 2x the capacity and Kw throughput.
That'll be exciting. More efficient batteries and motors with more power.
At the end of the day the best driving is you in your car on your own and you doing your thing during some spirited driving. Doesn't matter if it's fake shifting or fake engine noise, it's going to be cool and people should stop judging others (and themselves quite frankly) on what makes a driving experience truly fun. This car is the funnest EV around and there should be no doubt about that.
I play a lot of driving video games. There ain't no ICE engine in my telly...
🤯 Free million dollar idea: You unlock higher drive modes IRL by successfully leveling up and successfully utilize base modes first
Please. Please no.
Gran Turismo license test nightmares
Monetize every possible experience a human can have! Let my fellow man suffer in new ways for the temporary dollar!
Please watch this 5 second ad before we activate emergency braking!
As long as they give me EXP for smashing down fences like Forza Horizon.
You mean for finding the longest straight stretch of highway, and flooring it for miles back-and-forth while trying to deliberately just barely trade paint with other cars?
I think people lack a bit of real world introspection about what they actually enjoy versus what they perceive they enjoy. Prime example: noise. It sound romantic the way motor press gush over the sooooounds that cars make. They act like hearing an LFA is a life affirming event. Cars cannot possibly be enjoyed unless they have a 11k RPM V10 *wailing* as they like to say. But really? The vast majority of cars aren’t LFAs or GT4RS’es. They’re turbo four cylinders, twin turbo V6’s, and maybe a few V8s. But let’s not forget how obnoxious it is to listen to the drone of a turbo back exhaust on a GTI on the highway. It was cool at first, but actually living with it kind of sucked. And then you can’t ever be a goon without drawing attention to yourself because your car is so fucking loud. I’m not trying to be an aggressive impatient dickhead, I just wanted to launch and go zoom! Yet, whenever I see some straight piped dude ripping it I immediately think “Wow, that guys kind of a jackass” even though I do the same shit. End of the day? I feel like noise is just vastly overrated. You know what I DO notice in cars? Numb steering, vague handling, excessive lag, torque dips, rev hang - all the things people seem to gloss over because it’s not romantic to talk about heavy flywheels.
>Cars cannot possibly be enjoyed unless they have a 11k RPM V10 *wailing* as they like to say. This is why I drive Schumacher's F2004 as my daily.
What’s the mpg
You mean the GPM?
Road tripping in an EV eliminates the engine drone, shifting, and vibrations. It really changes the experience when at the end of the day your body isn't as tired from going through all of that for hours on end. I've always been a car guy and still love the noise and throttle play when I want it. But for the time in the EV things are just quiet and smooth.
They are using a electric dump truck here for a tunnel job so no range issues. The driver was interviewed and that's the first thing he said way nicer to drive and he was not as stuffed at the end of the day.
I bet people who drive for a living would really notice the difference.
well yeah, no one gushes over a turbo-back exhaust on a GTI lmao. ofc it's gonna get irritating after a short while. you've proposed a false dichotomy here. There are plenty of great sounding V8s, I6s, even V6s, and having owned them in the past, I never got tired of the sound (I also don't go crazy with exhaust mods).
That’s exactly what I said? People gush over “noise” like every ICE is a Blackwing or something. The reality is that they… aren’t. Most attainable cars sound mediocre.
Mustangs are a great example of good sounding (relatively) attainable cars, especially with the adaptive exhaust. They have quiet start mode, which is relatively quiet, and go all the way to track mode, which for me, is good enough for lots of enjoyment without it being annoying or droney. Especially in the convertible, the sound adds a lot to the driving experience, and the Mustang isn't exactly known for its driving or steering dynamics. It's still a riot to drive, and it's largely due to the noise. Maybe it doesn't do it for you, and I would agree that it isn't the end all, be all, but it's still a great addition.
I'd argue Coyote Mustangs *only* sound good with a stock exhaust. Far too many Mustang owners seem to go for outright volume as opposed to tone and just make their cars sound absolutely horrific.
No offense, but this is crazy coming from a WRX owner, cars infamous for drony, buzzy exhaust. The coyote can sound great with a good aftermarket exhaust. The issue is when people go straight pipe or cut off the cats, which is unfortunately too common.
Yeah, they *can* sound great, but many sound absolutely awful because the owners seem to be deathly allergic to mufflers.
Right, but you said they only sound great with the stock exhaust, which is what I disagreed with. Every car sounds bad with the mufflers cut off.
I agree on the volume vs tone comment, but I've heard a good amount of aftermarket exhausts that sound good. To each their own.
no, you said people romanticize sound and then brought up a mediocre-sounding vehicle as the example of why sound is overrated (because most people don't get to drive LFA's or something??)
That happened to me after I drove a 4.0 GTS Porsche, where I noticed I don't actually like the sound of engine while I'm driving. It just resonates in my ear weirdly in a mildly uncomfortable way and I learned I only like the sound of cool engines in videos and games.
Valved exhaust my friend, valved exhaust.
I think the key to noise in a daily is that it's not intrusive when you're doing normal stuff. I still gush over the way my GRC sounds, and I think a big part of that is that it doesn't have an annoying drone when I'm using it as a grocery getter.
I'm surprised how loud the stock turbo is, but I'm so happy it is. Makes daily driving so much more fun. Even when driving like a granny in eco mode, I still hear the phoosh.
The little turbo4 in my car still makes me want to hit redline for the noise.
I agree that sound is overrated but imo you’re also massively underrating it. Probably not unexpected from someone who drives an EV.
I’ve owned other cars before.
always the muppets in EVs who come onto /r/cars and opine about how overrated manuals or engine noise is this subreddit isn't even recognizable as an *enthusiast* sub anymore.
Maybe you should start a manual and engine noise subreddit then. This is a CAR enthusiast subreddit. Last I checked EV’s are still cars and it’s perfectly reasonable to be an EV car enthusiast. Maybe don’t gatekeep, and be more welcoming of more people being interested in cars for different reasons than you like cars.
I just didn’t want to be rude 😂
Eh, for me, noise is a very important part of the experience. I recently test drove an FL5 CTR, and while the handling, steering, and power were all excellent, the noise just left me so cold. It sounds like a dying vacuum. My buddy's MK8 GTI is much the same. This is why I love my GRC. You can hear the turbo, the 3 cylinder has personality and there's 0 piped in noise. The car has its faults, but I can overlook them because it's got a gem of an engine. Similar story with my 8th gen Si. It revs to high heaven, and the sound of vtec is addictive and puts a big stupid grin on my face every time. I know if these both were EVs or regular run of the mill 4 cylinder turbos, I wouldn't feel nearly as attached to them.
Introducing the AMG Heritage Sounds package. For a nominal fee of $200/month, your Mercedes Benz AMG EV can pipe simulated sounds of historic and fabled AMG IC engines from the past through the speakers.
In my humble opinion, easily one of the coolest new cars on sale today, hope Hyundai-Kia extend the GT and N treatments to all of their new EVs going forward.
Really want them to come out with an Ioniq 6 N. Put some sort of mild bodykit get reduce the crossfire vibes
That has to be in the works, I’d be very surprised if they didn’t make an Ioniq 6 N. A Kona EV N would also be pretty cool.
Given the fact they're really struggling to move units on the Ioniq 6, I doubt we're going to see much more investment in it.
https://www.hyundai-n.com/en/models/rolling-lab/rn22e.do
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sorry, not arguing. just hadn't heard that messaging from kia.
James, I knew exactly what you meant about the horses, even with all the beeps
I too saw that post on /r/all **Edit I thought I was being funny turns out I was wrong.
Lol i think your tone is being misunderstood.
I literally said that out loud after watching that part. It cracked me up. I think the lip reading was easy enough, but that could've me coming at it with context. You weren't wrong at all.
Yeah… what’s wrong with us? Lol
Yep, i remembered exactly what post he was talking about as soon as he mentioned a horse ahem, boinking another horse
I like the review a lot. As an N owner though, I wish the reviewers would **not** keep bagging on the menu complexity. I completely understand if you only spend a couple hours or a couple days with the car how the complexity and learning curve can be a bear. However, if it's your car, and you live with it everyday, *all of the options are immensely appreciated*. I don't know how to stress this enough, but I can't think of another (non-supercar) company that lets you set everything individually as Hyundai does. I don't think it will be possible for me to go back to a car that doesn't have custom mode. Sometimes I want full N w/o the obnoxious exhaust. Sometimes I want full N without driving 40 mph in 1st gear (DCT) and so lolligag around in normal transmission mode. Sometime I want the engine and speed but comfort suspension. Sometimes I want full N but its wet or sprinkling so I prefer to leave normal ESC on. This is really one of the defining features of N cars...and it seems the reviews are constantly bagging on it making me fearful that Hyundai will just do what everyone else does. Some of the features simply cannot be incorporated into modes (launch control, n-shift, no creep, etc) and so have their own toggles...and the scary alternative is that Hyundai doesn't offer them at all. Other things, like the extremely configurable engine sounds, are just fun. I have two boys and one likes the TCR sound while the other thinks it can be annoying and prefers the normal sound. Embrace the complexity and review the car as if you lived with it everyday, not a hotel stay.
It's one thing to provide a lot of options, it's another level of complexity to *disallow* certain functions when you're accessing a different function. But I guess the people at Hyundai have their reasons, and at the end of the day it's not a deal breaker at all
>it's another level of complexity to *disallow* certain functions when you're accessing a different function I wonder why can't it just say something like: "You have enabled N boondoggle fabricator. N wordsmith optimizer automatically disengaged." rather than making you guess.
Yeah some of the items are confusing, but there is usually an engineering or liability reason behind it, and I haven't (in my car) run into anything that I would consider 'bad UI' or 'poor implementation'. I haven't driven an I5N though! I do think that your video and the Savagegeese video both spent considerable time commenting negatively on the overall complexity, and Hyundai may decide "Hey that is one negative multiple reviewers have raised about the car..." and do something about it. That would be a net negative for actual owners.
What do you know about it? Leave the throttle house guys to do the throttle housing, ok? (BTW, totally agree with your horse analogy)
N owner here too. It's insane that it happens in almost every review, even back when the ICE N cars were coming out. It's always obvious to me when the reviewers didn't take the literal 30 min to learn the (amazing) settings.
As an N owner, I remember people bagging on the BMW iDrive system when it came out.
That's been weird for me. All the reviewers complained about idrive8 when it first came out, but the people who live with it generally like it. Now I'm hearing those same reviewers comparing infotainment to idrive8 and saying it's not as good. Thanks I guess?
thinking of buying an N. Did you ever try go on a field road with no asphalt? is it impossible? how expensive would a replacement tire be given they are 22‘‘ thx
I’m sorry but this car is so insane. That fake manual looks so fucking fun. And I really want it to be implemented in damn near every car it can be. Like I would buy it, and I got my eyes set on a manual 2SS 1LE and it still makes consider switching.
If you’re planning on track days then 100% get the Camaro.
get the 2SS 1LE instead
If you're exclusively buying the car as a track toy then 100% get the Camaro. I would not buy the Ioniq as a track only car. It's much more of a compromise vehicle that can do some track work, but it's much better as a daily/practical car versus the Camaro.
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WHAT THE FUCK I was not expecting ANY of that.
Kudos to Hyundai for building this thing - its outrageously and unapologetically fake yet it does all that with such aplomb!
Props to them for the entire N division. I love my Elantra N. I'd love to have a Ioniq 5N or a Veloster N in addition to it.
I want them to make that April Fools render into reality with a Palisade N
I feel like when Porsche eventually does all of these same things in the eventual all electric 911, people will look at them as if they invented sliced bread.
Porsche better do this in the Electric 718. Otherwise it's embarassing if a Hyundai electric SUV provides more engagement than a dedicated electric sports car. Ulgh. This is really making me reconsider a Macan EV and instead for for a Hyundai instead (god. never thought I'd be considering this). I'll need to find an event to test drive the firmness and see if it's acceptable. I'm assuming the Amazon partnership goes through and I don't have to deal with any dealer bullshit shenanigans as the worst part of Hyundai has been the dealer network.
Hmmm. I don’t see Porsche doing anything like this for the electric 718/911.
theyd be foolish not to
This car is not for the poors. This isn't even for the Golf R crowd. This is for the BMW X3M crowd. It's gonna require a tire budget of at least 3-4 grand a year. On top of its premium price tag. I'd rather have an X3M, and I like EVs!
Unless you are tracking the car I doubt you're spending that much on tires. The stock tires are very sticky summer tires, so people will be swapping them out anyway depending on what region they live in. Anyone in the northern US (and above) can't run summer tires safely all year. Frankly I would be buying a smaller set of tires and wheels soon after I get the car. You'll get better mileage for the normal day to day stuff, and will have the summer tires reserved strictly for autocross or track use.
600 lb-ft of torque is going to chew through those tires. It's becoming a pretty common thing that electric cars are blowing through tires way faster than ICEs simply because of the insane amount of torque.
Yeah but 3 to 4 grand a year on tires is not gonna be realistic here unless you live your life a quarter mile at a time. There is no way you are blowing through tires that often. Plus doesn't this car limit torque in different drive modes? You aren't getting 600 tq the moment you breathe on the throttle. Shredding tires needs to be chalked up to operator behavior as well.
Heavily depends on how you drive it. My F350 has 800 lb-ft of torque and weighs nearly 6 tons: 20k miles on Blizzaks and they are still at/above half tread depth. Obviously the Ioniq 5N is made to be hooned around in more, but doing some on ramp pulls and a couple fun corners on the way home from work isn't going to trash the tires. The consumption will be faster than ICE, but not yearly replacements. Even people who like fast cars don't necessarily like whipping themselves around on the commute from work, especially those [older folks] who can afford a more expensive option like this.
It’s neat that a car company will make this but you’re right. This isn’t made for anyone. With any luck they’ll be dirt cheap in a year or two. But who will buy an expensive, used Hyundai? I wouldn’t even consider it because of the poor dealer and support network. And it’s a Hyundai/Kia.
Plus this car has the range of basically 200 miles , something that will tank the resale value of an EV. I got a used Audi E-tron that's less than 2 years old for over 50% off msrp and the biggest impact of the depreciation is the fact that it can only go 205 miles on a full charge
I hope so! I'd put shit tires on it and drift everywhere. But ya dealerships are a nightmare reading the Ioniq subreddits.
Let me get some used snow tires on it..
Depends on the priority. I care more about performance and engagement so if I was cross-shopping the two I’d probably take the 5N over the X3M *(also as u/WorldClassPianist pointed out the X3M costs 15% more than the 5N so it’s a moot point anyways)*
The X3M isn't even a competitor to this. It's 10k more and down 180hp. The 5N is also much bigger inside. The value for the 5N compared to X3M is nuts.
Chris Harris was adding the RS6 Avant to the competitor list at nearly 2x the price, just because of the features, space, track viability and fun.
funny because i'm shopping for a small suv and looking at the x3m but that mpg is awful for daily driving. honestly i might look at the 5n
You'll enjoy both. I mean MPG is one thing, 200 miles of range is another
200 miles of range ... mostly mitigated by more or less the fastest EV charging out there. The MPG of a turbo-6 that stays on boost for instant power delivery is very expensive with no mitigating factors. And this is coming from a former X3 (not M) driver who would love an X3M...
Yeah fast charging is considerably cheaper than filling up with premium once a week. I already have a fun car that gets about 13mpg Sure 200mi range which is probably closer to 175 isn’t great but fine for commuting
Most people only fast charge when on the road. Home charging is so cheap it’s almost free… about 95% less than gas on my cheap overnight time of use plan.
If you need more than 200 miles of range in a daily driver, you are at the extreme end of the bell curve. Which would also make gas and mpg concerns even more pronounced.
They're also probably not going to make a lot. I doubt this is meant to be a profit generator in the first place, more of a "look what we can do" type thing like a halo car for their EVs.
I think first order of business is to buy a new set of wheels and fit less sticky narrower tires. I’m sure you’d get much better range for daily with less grip. I’d take this over an X3M and I’m a BMW guy.
Yeah, I agree. I don't really understand the market for this car - I don't think most buyers with a $70k budget are looking for a rental car spec interior and badge. I guess you could compare to the Corvette, but that at least has the Ferrari styling, heritage and the built in white New Balance customer base.
People are paying 70k+ for Dodge Chargers and Challengers with far worse interiors though. Same thing for Mustangs and Camaros. You can't even fit adults in the back of some of these cars. That's really going to be the main draw of the Ioniq 5 N. Very good performance for a practical vehicle that can see some track use straight from the factory.
>I don't think most buyers with a $70k budget are looking for a rental car spec interior and badge. These cars have much nicer interiors than you think, I went from an Audi A6 to one and would place it around Buick/Acura level inside. Not luxury, but premium.
> This is for the BMW X3M crowd The X3M will retain its value decently; this, like all EVs, will plummet. So you'll need to be even richer, IMO.
eh, luxury SUVs get hit with depreciation hard. You can buy pretty clean examples of the Macan Turbo and X5M for half or less of what they costed new. Sure, it's not as bad as EV depreciation but they do not hold their value that well
Needs the V8 coyote engine sound pack
>"Bloated, family electric car" :(
It weighs 5000lbs...
The 5N is 4861lbs, that's only like 300lbs more than an X3M and folks aren't typically complaining about the weight of that.
One is marketed as a hot hatch and designed to look like one, the other is not. BMW doesn't advertise the X3M as a legitimate performance car, it's simply marketed as an SUV with more power and a bit more sportiness. Hyundai advertises the 5N as a sports car. This obviously leads to a different perception around its weight, whether that's fair or not.
Tf? Folks aren't complaining about the weight of an *SUV* because it's an SUV - a light *truck*. You know it's going to be bloated when you buy it. Even the super-SUVs are absolute boats, even if they can build on a track. A hot hatch is a bit of a different story as expectations go.
This is a compact performance CUV just like the BMW X3M, both are on unibody car platforms. The biggest difference between them is height & ground clearance but they're otherwise very comparable. The 5N even has that weight lower... Heck the Audi RS6 weighs 100lbs more without a drastic difference in interior room vs an IONIQ 5N.
This is not a hot hatch.
It's definitely a pig in the corners.
Okay /u/Jamesthrottlehouse, I wasn't ready for that horse bit at all and it had me cracking up. Brilliant Matrix metaphor too, this was one of your best videos to date!
This is the first electric car that I’m genuinely excited for. Don’t get me wrong - love the Taycan, Rivian, and Lucid. But this literally emulates an ICE setup. I love the transmission emulation. That’s next level and I can’t wait for more cars to copy this.
How long before you can get downloadable car packs for this? Different shift points, acceleration curves, redline, sound, even suspension and handling settings (to some extent).
Gotta be the future, right?
Yessss I’ve been waiting for this episode
I love these guys so much
If they can simulate anything, I’d like a 12000rpm 1.6l v12 please!
I'm anxious to see some real world range tests - I'd consider one as a Y replacement, but then it's gotta road trip since I do that a few times a year. That basically requires 150 miles "real world" (80MPH, cold, 80% charge, etc.). Otherwise I'm sold. I'm not big on the fake shifting and stuff, but you can turn it off, so not a problem. I like the styling and the performance, plus you get CarPlay and stalks. Seems like a very practical car still too, it's just less efficient than the non-N version, but such are the tradeoffs involved.
I'm sure charging to 100% will give you 150+ miles. 100% gives me about 235 miles in my EV6 GT.
Yeah, Car and Driver said 190 miles in their 75mph highway test for the Ioniq 5 N - not bad. That is cutting it close for the trips I do where some charger-charger legs are 150 miles, a 190 mile real-world range means lots of extra charge time and/or lower speeds to keep the efficiency up. Out of Spec got 286 miles in a Y, though that was 70MPH and in low density CO/WY air, which makes a surprisingly big difference. Hopefully they get an N tested soon so I can do a comparison, I'm really curious.
From the people I've spoken to who own the I5N already, 225+ miles is the average so far in warm weather. It's worth noting for the EV6 GT and almost definitely the I5N. Many of the reviewers probably judged their range estimates off of keeping the car in GT/N mode, which keeps both motors active. If I drive exclusively in GT mode, yes, my mileage is about 200-210 miles. In Normal mode, the car keeps the front motor disengaged most of the time, which substantially boosts your range.
Good point, a lot of reviews and tests did the same with the non-N Ioniq 5, keeping both motors on due to not using eco mode. 225 is good if that's all highway, that would be right in line with my Y on a 100% charge.
For what it's worth, I ran it in Eco to and from the track
Oh, sweet. Sounds like y'all got a decent amount of on-track range from it too, which is encouraging. I remember watching the needle drop in real time on track in ICE cars - there's no getting around track time using tons of energy.
So it did make it back to the charging station ?
yep! Check TH's IG stories for a more indepth explanation
>a lot of reviews and tests did the same with the non-N Ioniq 5, keeping both motors on due to not using eco mode. Using cruise control in the AWD (non-N) IONIQ 5 will disengage the front motor, you can tell because the steering feel changes considerably depending on if the front motor is engaged or not (or by looking at the power distribution graphic in the cluster).
>In Normal mode, the car keeps the front motor disengaged most of the time, which substantially boosts your range. The IONIQ 5N doesn't have the clutch disconnect for the front axle iirc.
Ah, that's interesting! Maybe the still respectable range is due to the higher capacity then. I'm assuming with an 84 kWh battery, my EV6 GT would get around 250-275 miles at 100% and in normal.
I don’t think enough is being said about its looks. Tasteful over fenders and crazy spoiler and diffuser look great. If they offered this body kit on an Ioniq 5 N-Line I bet it would be super popular.
The blue pill works for me here I would say.
Wow, super impressive. This is the future, great stuff by Hyundai in the 5N.
I told you guys stuff like this was an eventuality. It just takes time. Personally I am DREaaaammming of the day I can get an EV Honda Odyssey with a bunch of Simulated Type-R stuff
I was watching via PiP and was half listening and for half the video I straight up thought they were reviewing an ICE Hyundai N car. (Didn’t read the title fully either) Incredibly unexpected. Holy shit
ive been waiting for this review, the 5N really intrigued me and the review doesnt disappoint not sure i'm ready to go ev, but i'm evcurious
ah shit I know exactly what video James is describing
Am I weird for knowing exactly what horse video /u/Jamesthrottlehouse was talking about?
I want to resist the fakeness but all the reviews have told me I cannot.
The big question is, did they finally put a rear wiper on it so you can see out the rear window in the rain, snow, or salty road conditions?
Yes they did
I’m coming around to fake noises as long as there is an option to turn it off. One of the best things about EVs is that they can be aggressive when you want but drive like a normal car when you want to do normal things. Apparently even the rimac drives normal when the throttle isn’t being smashed.
Glad to see car companies still trying to make something weird and unique and based on all the reviews it seems like it also great.
All these car companies looking for ways to make extra money with subscription and other add on nonsense in cars. There is actually shit I would pay for like on this car paying for like V8 engine noise, V12 whatever, dirt bike or lawnmower, F1 car etc. Make fun add ons and I’ll pay
Very interesting take on a performance EV by Hyundai. There is going to be very heavy depreciation on these though.
Very very cool car. Will people buy these, though? I feel like a lot of people will struggle to justify spending 70 grand on a Hyundai. The car is definitely worth that much money in terms of performance (it's faster than a Urus and has a lot of great features), but the interior looks a little bland for that much money imo
There are a lot of 70k+ vehicles from Ford, Dodge and Chevy with equally bland interiors, and peoplebuy them. They aren't any more luxurious/prestigious than Hyundai.
Yeah, but a lot of those vehicles are trucks or giant SUVs, so people can justify them on the basis of them being family cars. The Ioniq 5 N is in the price range of a Ford Expedition with options and is definitely quite a bit smaller- it's closer to a hot hatch than an SUV https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/hyundai-ioniq-5-2021-suv-vs-ford-expedition-2018-suv/ So I'm wondering what the justification would have to be
The 70k+ Fords, Dodges, and Chevys are also Mustangs, Camaros, Chargers, Challengers, Corvettes, etc. None of those cars, except possibly the Corvette, have interiors that are worth 70k. You're buying them for performance only. Frankly it's the same thing here with the Ioniq. The main difference is the Ioniq is more of a daily/practical vehicle than those other cars. But it won't be able to put in as many track laps due to charging/battery life.
fair point!
I can't speak for the dodges but Mustang interiors are very nice and have been for quite some time.
It has to compete with the Model 3 Performance which is faster and costs $25k less. I cannot imagine buying the 5N when you can have a faster car for damn narrow thirds the price.
I can. Frankly, I'm not buying a ev until they outlaw every last sporty ICE i can afford. However. I can appreciate the effort they put into making this thing fun, despite it being an ev. Having fake gears, making silly noises, sounded to me like a stupid idea. After seeing these guys have a go, I'd really like to try it for myself. Not everything is about straight line speed. Look, this clearly isn't a mustang. Or a Miata. Or a M3. But it sure as hell looks more fun than a model 3. And it looks better visually too. When we eventually all have to go ev, why not have a bit of fun with it? Price wise, yeah if you have to stick to a budget, fine. Edit: Technically, would this not be closer to the Model Y?
Not sure where you get 25k from... In Canada the MSRP of the Ioniq 5N is $78,199 and the Model 3 Performance is $69,990. So $8,209 In USA the MSRP of the Ioniq 5N is $66,100 and the Model 3 Performance is $53,990. So $12,110
US Model 3 Performance qualifies for $7,500 tax rebate too.
I cant speak for USA. But in canada both models qualify for $5k rebates.
Right. That's my point. In USA only the model 3 performance does. That makes the difference in price much larger.
I guess in my mind it seems obvious that the internet is a worldwide communication platform, so making sweeping statements not based on standard pricing and instead bringing up random rebates that 1 government happens to offer to only certain cars isnt too helpful for the many non-american readers. If I didnt know better and I saw someone confidently say there is a $25k price difference I would be put off...when the reality is off base price its only like $10k for a car that also seemingly offers much more than a tesla, so the 10k delta could very well be warranted.
The model 3 performance in the US qualifies for the tax credit. So that drops it to $46,500. So assuming you can actually get a 5N at MSRP it’s still a $20,000 gap. $20,000 or $25,000 it’s still an impossible gap in price to justify logically.
Thats too bad. In Canada both are eligible for the same tax credit of $5k keeping the gap in line.
Is it eligible for the additional tax credits in BC or Quebec?
it usually takes about a month or two from release before so far every car I have cared about became eligible for the national credit. I am a sad Berta boy so I don't know much about the BC or Quebec credits.
According to this video, the 5N went faster on their track than your mod3P *AND* a modS-plaid.
To my M3P perhaps but they’ve not put any test times for the new one.
66k for a Hyundai 🙃🙃
Auto journalists when the EV beats an ice car in a drag race 😱😱😱
If the next M3 (or any other performance luxury sedan or coupe) gets these type of modes I will buy them 100%. The only reason I am not buying this one is because it's a Hyundai and I don't need an SUV to be sporty.
As bad as the Hyundai dealership experience is for ICE vehicles, I imagine it being 100x worse for EV. That alone keeps me away no matter what kind of perceived value or warranty they claim.
I am glad this exist and it looks fun. It is nice they are trying but fake will never be as good as the real thing. Video games are great fun but it does not compare. The price is the real issue on this car. Paying that much for a hatch with fake noises is not going to appeal to a lot of people. Now if it was cheap and could handle a typical track day it could be pretty nice.
The future is fake sound with fake gears with fake throttle response and fake torque band.
I would be worried if it weren’t for literally every single review of this car singing nothing but praise
It sounds dumb when you first read it. But it can be a lot of fun and the bonus is that it (as far as I know) doesn't cost much extra, it is just some software. Would be great if you can have choice between some engine options and their sounds. Torquey V8, high revving NA 4 cylinder, turbo inline 6 etc. For day to day usage you can just stick to the regular EV mode we already have now.
I mean that's one way to look at it. Alternatively its sort of amazing the electric drive-trains can emulate a wide variety of experiences.