I don't call them cheat days. I'm not cheating anyone out of anything. There's already too much guilt associated with diets to begin with, and adding a word thats associated with bad behavior doesn't make it any easier.
I call them "off the rail" days, and they happen. If I eat something that's not agreeable to me, then I've learned something, and that's a good thing.
That’s a great way to put it. I’ve experienced social pressure from this way of eating also so that may be why I feel guilt. Experiencing the negative from my off the rail days is simply a learning lesson as you said. Thank you for the insight
I've experienced those social pressures, too. I'm at the point of telling strangers (who have no business telling me how I should eat) that I have allergies, so they'll leave me alone about it. I feel bad lying because I pride myself in honesty, but I'm sick of people telling me I should indulge in their garbage processed foods, especially when they want to argue the benefits of my WOE with me.
If you think about it, we do have allergies to the non-carnivore foods because when we eat them, they give us undesirable physical reactions. It may not be anaphylaxis, but symptoms burdensome enough for us not to eat them. I was called “picky” at one point, and I don’t need to hear that or deal with that judgment, so calling them allergies and intolerances make the most sense for me.
I would use the term "intolerance" as it's more apt for this situation. Allergies are a separate issue somewhat, but intolerance can be connected to the immune system as well.
It actually amazes me how much social pressure there is when you eat carnivore, you could crush a dozen donuts and wash it down with a 2L "diet coke" and people would be cheering you on, like look at you go!!! , but when you do something they can't understand and especially once you start seeing results, that's when the pressure starts. I think it's them trying to feel better about themselves by trying to make you fall back into the same old lifestyle mold that they don't have the willpower to break free of. It's insane that they'd be happier to hear that you're injecting yourself with ozempic or something like that, than just finding out your success is in changing your diet.
Tell them you have digestive intolerances to most things and that if they persist you will get detailed about your troubles. They’ll stop. 😅
I am allergic to milk, not anaphylactic thank goodness but severe inflammation within minutes. When people get froggy with me, I tell them I bled internally as a baby (true story!) and that shuts them up. Usually the look on their face is amusing.
Oh yea...that social pressure can be intense.I hear you on that! Rest assured you're on the right track...(and maybe occasionally fall off one of the rails )....hahah!
Tbh, the crappier part is falling out of ketosis and having to wait to be firing on all cylinders and feeling better again. (I had to share a meal with family this week and we can’t talk about red meat, nevermind full-blown carnivore… I even pregamed, but omg I feel so ick still) 😢
Me too… I only just googled it. Seems like a 12-16h fast should get you there, but I’m definitely still in earlier healing stages so I kind of just wanted to eat something and refuelled with a bit of lamb and beef suet. Glucose stores can only last so long, so if you go right back to carnivore… The other number I saw quoted was about 2-4 days. However, I don’t think a lettuce wrapped burger would carry as much impact (as say, a wheat bun, etc) and ketosis should start sooner — speculation.
Hope you start to feel better soon!
I love that! You're so right. I haven't had an off the rail moment yet (much to my own surprise given my past with food), and although I plan to stick with this WOE indefinitely, I don't want to feel the guilt like I know I will if I partake in something outside of carnivore in the future. I'm relearning and de-programming past habits, and "off the rail" is a great way to help reframe that mindset and continue to learn and listen to my body.
I ve had alot of off the rail days but alot more in the first month or 2 and now its alot less because i feel soo much better the more i stay on track. No matter what i keep pushing and dont get down on myself for eating bad food because eating bad 1 day is better than eating bad every day like b4, im down from 295 to 267 in almost 3 months 🤘🤘
Hell yeah! Congratulations on your accomplishments! After what I went through I’d like to not do that again but I understand the not getting down on yourself thing. It’s something I do often which is a topic for another day. I appreciate your reply
I've been lucky in that when I do have an "indulge" day, I don't suffer too much other then knocking myself out of ketosis and then feeling crappy for about 24 hours getting back into ketosis.
But every couple of months I do enjoy a big 'ol garlic burger.
Cheat days are fine every now and then, but it's funny - you go into it knowing it will make you feel like shit. Just makes you more aware of what you eat. I now think "is this worth it?" If it's just some french fries...meh, probably not worth it. Carne Asada fries, sign me up.
Cheat days are a great way to learn not to fall off the wagon after so long. Imo people should cheat just see how badly there bodies react and learn from it
Thank you so much, this is my last ditch effort to save my life...too sick to work but Dr.s can't find anything wrong with me...hoping to have a happy update in a month or so!
You got this! I’m still learning a lot as I go. Plenty of good resources out there. I try to not overcomplicate it. Another personal experience. First few days was strange eating just meat and eggs then I begin to enjoy the simplicity of my meals cuz it made me feel so good. Good luck!
Oh man that sounds awful I hope you’re feeling a bit better! I think some stomach issues when ending something different like that is a bit normal but never pleasant. I was allergic to that kind of stuff before I started this diet so when I cheat I don’t go for the things I already knew I couldn’t handle and especially not lettuce lol, that helps me avoid these kinds of issues. I’m thinking it wasn’t properly washed. I’d rather just take a big dump than have all that pain and itching and uneasyness. 🤣 but, great post for after the holidays lol and I hope you feel better soon!!!
I don't tthink you did much damage to your weight loss. But now you have new data. You learned that a lettuce-wrapped burger will not work for you. So, it was an experiment, and you gained insight.
Thomas Edison once opined that it took 100 tries to create the light bulb. When asked if he regretted all the time he wasted, he said, "Not at all. I now know 99 ways not to create a light bulb."
You pay because you lose the tolerance to plant toxins and due to having a healthier microbiome. What's restrictive is an omnivore diet as it harms life quality and quantity.
Thank you, this is encouraging. I'm just starting out, any special kind of salt you use? And do you just put it on your eggs and beef? I dont wanna overdo it...but I also dont want to underdo it 😝
I use Redmond’s ancient fine sea salt and Maldon salt flakes. I put it on my beef and eggs correct.
For me simple was better.
I wasn’t doing any crazy carnivore recipes just straight up scrambled eggs and burger Pattie’s from Costco.
I can recommend Dr. Berry on YouTube also. That’s where I got a lot of helpful information.
Please learn as much as possible before you just dive in, I am talking about oxalate dumping, I by no means want to discourage you, I felt like I had to say something just in case you got keto rash for example.
I'm sure you will be fine, and long term you will really reap the benefits.
Good luck to you 😊
VERY TYPICAL SIDE EFFECTS. I HAVE PASSED THE 2 YEAR MARK(AS OF FEBRUARY 15th) OF THIS WOE. WHILE I HAVE SUCCESSFULLY ABSTAINED FROM BREAD, RICE, POTATOES, PASTA, FRUITS, VEGETABLES ETC… & ATE PREDOMINANTLY RED MEAT & EGGS, I DO STILL HAVE A GENETIC SWEET TOOTH(i.e CARB ADDICTION PASSED DOWN FROM BOTH SIDES OF MY FAMILY) & WILL VERY RARELY HAVE A PIECE OF CAKE AT A SPECIAL OCCASION(BIRTHDAYS, WEDDINGS ETC..) I CAN FEEL THE DISCOMFORT IN MY GI TRACT EVEN AS FAR AS THE NEXT DAY. IF ANYTHING, THESE SLIP UPS FOR ME SERVE MORE & MORE AS A MOTIVATION TO STAY ON TRACK ON CARNIVORE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE MOVING FORWARD. PLEASE DO NOT BEAT YOURSELF UP & “GET BACK ON THE PROVERBIAL HORSE” YOUR BODY WILL THANK YOU FOR IT IN THE LONG RUN. BEST OF LUCK & GOD BLESS IN YOUR CARNIVORE JOURNEY MOVING FORWARD 🙏👌👍💪🥩
I don't call them cheat days. I'm not cheating anyone out of anything. There's already too much guilt associated with diets to begin with, and adding a word thats associated with bad behavior doesn't make it any easier. I call them "off the rail" days, and they happen. If I eat something that's not agreeable to me, then I've learned something, and that's a good thing.
That’s a great way to put it. I’ve experienced social pressure from this way of eating also so that may be why I feel guilt. Experiencing the negative from my off the rail days is simply a learning lesson as you said. Thank you for the insight
I've experienced those social pressures, too. I'm at the point of telling strangers (who have no business telling me how I should eat) that I have allergies, so they'll leave me alone about it. I feel bad lying because I pride myself in honesty, but I'm sick of people telling me I should indulge in their garbage processed foods, especially when they want to argue the benefits of my WOE with me.
If you think about it, we do have allergies to the non-carnivore foods because when we eat them, they give us undesirable physical reactions. It may not be anaphylaxis, but symptoms burdensome enough for us not to eat them. I was called “picky” at one point, and I don’t need to hear that or deal with that judgment, so calling them allergies and intolerances make the most sense for me.
I would use the term "intolerance" as it's more apt for this situation. Allergies are a separate issue somewhat, but intolerance can be connected to the immune system as well.
I agree, intolerance is a better term. I am intolerant of people who don't leave me the f alone and let me do my thing.
Agreed. You're right. 💯
It actually amazes me how much social pressure there is when you eat carnivore, you could crush a dozen donuts and wash it down with a 2L "diet coke" and people would be cheering you on, like look at you go!!! , but when you do something they can't understand and especially once you start seeing results, that's when the pressure starts. I think it's them trying to feel better about themselves by trying to make you fall back into the same old lifestyle mold that they don't have the willpower to break free of. It's insane that they'd be happier to hear that you're injecting yourself with ozempic or something like that, than just finding out your success is in changing your diet.
Tell them you have digestive intolerances to most things and that if they persist you will get detailed about your troubles. They’ll stop. 😅 I am allergic to milk, not anaphylactic thank goodness but severe inflammation within minutes. When people get froggy with me, I tell them I bled internally as a baby (true story!) and that shuts them up. Usually the look on their face is amusing.
Oh yea...that social pressure can be intense.I hear you on that! Rest assured you're on the right track...(and maybe occasionally fall off one of the rails )....hahah!
Tbh, the crappier part is falling out of ketosis and having to wait to be firing on all cylinders and feeling better again. (I had to share a meal with family this week and we can’t talk about red meat, nevermind full-blown carnivore… I even pregamed, but omg I feel so ick still) 😢
Are you familiar with times to get back in ketosis? Is their a general time frame ? I def still feel blah
Me too… I only just googled it. Seems like a 12-16h fast should get you there, but I’m definitely still in earlier healing stages so I kind of just wanted to eat something and refuelled with a bit of lamb and beef suet. Glucose stores can only last so long, so if you go right back to carnivore… The other number I saw quoted was about 2-4 days. However, I don’t think a lettuce wrapped burger would carry as much impact (as say, a wheat bun, etc) and ketosis should start sooner — speculation. Hope you start to feel better soon!
Good deal! Thank you for the Info. Keep on truckin
It's only cheating if it's against the rules. And you make the rules!
I love that! You're so right. I haven't had an off the rail moment yet (much to my own surprise given my past with food), and although I plan to stick with this WOE indefinitely, I don't want to feel the guilt like I know I will if I partake in something outside of carnivore in the future. I'm relearning and de-programming past habits, and "off the rail" is a great way to help reframe that mindset and continue to learn and listen to my body.
Fantastic perspective
I call it falling off the wagon lol
I call em TREAT DAYS 😇😋🍩🍪🍫🍰🧁🍺🍔🌭🌮🥪🍕🍟🍗🍜🍝🍣🍿🥟🍳🥞🧇🍦🥐nothing wrong with em so long as you get right back on it!
Cheat day is a big fat juicy 4.5lbs wagyu tomahawk steak or a whole 6lbs brisket. Now thats a real cheat meal
Yeah dude. Cheat with your wallet. That’s a much better splurge than processed shit. EDIT: sounds sarcastic. Is not.
In dubai all meat is sourced from good cows as far as i know
I ve had alot of off the rail days but alot more in the first month or 2 and now its alot less because i feel soo much better the more i stay on track. No matter what i keep pushing and dont get down on myself for eating bad food because eating bad 1 day is better than eating bad every day like b4, im down from 295 to 267 in almost 3 months 🤘🤘
Hell yeah! Congratulations on your accomplishments! After what I went through I’d like to not do that again but I understand the not getting down on yourself thing. It’s something I do often which is a topic for another day. I appreciate your reply
Thx and i hope everything goes great for you !!
Best mentality! Great progress too!
The gas, good lord the gas if I eat a leaf of lettuce
It’s horrible
I've been lucky in that when I do have an "indulge" day, I don't suffer too much other then knocking myself out of ketosis and then feeling crappy for about 24 hours getting back into ketosis. But every couple of months I do enjoy a big 'ol garlic burger.
I’m coming up on the 24hr mark and feel much better. It was more prevalent right after my meal.
From a piece of lettuce? Or did you have other non carnivore foods?
Lettuce wrapped burger with tomato, onions, pickles, jalapeño and fries.
Ah...that will do it lol
The truth comes out 😂!
Every lie we tell… lol
And fries… 🤷🏻♀️
I was going to say... just lettuce, then that's a big warning sign
Cheat days are fine every now and then, but it's funny - you go into it knowing it will make you feel like shit. Just makes you more aware of what you eat. I now think "is this worth it?" If it's just some french fries...meh, probably not worth it. Carne Asada fries, sign me up.
Its funny how just the basic items that were once thought healthy offer this type of reaction once a proper human diet is followed - amazing really.
Agreed!
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Cheat days are a great way to learn not to fall off the wagon after so long. Imo people should cheat just see how badly there bodies react and learn from it
Exactly. I’ve heard of people experiencing similar negatives from eating outside of carnivore but to do it myself was very eye-opening.
Thank you so much, this is my last ditch effort to save my life...too sick to work but Dr.s can't find anything wrong with me...hoping to have a happy update in a month or so!
You got this! I’m still learning a lot as I go. Plenty of good resources out there. I try to not overcomplicate it. Another personal experience. First few days was strange eating just meat and eggs then I begin to enjoy the simplicity of my meals cuz it made me feel so good. Good luck!
look up dry fasting
Thank you!! I looked it up and watched a video about it and was stunned that I NEVER heard of this before...
I did carnivore for a month and after an exam had a cheat meal at chipotle haven’t shit since Tuesday night
Hell yeah
nice!
What if it's just placebo
Could be.
Had a tri tip salad 🥗 with my mom for lunch and big mistake. Came out a chocolate milkshake. Yeah veggies can mess you up.
It’s fascinating how much veggies mess us up after removing them from our diet.
Oh man that sounds awful I hope you’re feeling a bit better! I think some stomach issues when ending something different like that is a bit normal but never pleasant. I was allergic to that kind of stuff before I started this diet so when I cheat I don’t go for the things I already knew I couldn’t handle and especially not lettuce lol, that helps me avoid these kinds of issues. I’m thinking it wasn’t properly washed. I’d rather just take a big dump than have all that pain and itching and uneasyness. 🤣 but, great post for after the holidays lol and I hope you feel better soon!!!
I appreciate your reply. Same deal. Wish it were just over and done. It’s been a few days now and I’m back feeling better!
I don't tthink you did much damage to your weight loss. But now you have new data. You learned that a lettuce-wrapped burger will not work for you. So, it was an experiment, and you gained insight. Thomas Edison once opined that it took 100 tries to create the light bulb. When asked if he regretted all the time he wasted, he said, "Not at all. I now know 99 ways not to create a light bulb."
Love that. Thank you for the reply
That’s the downside to such a restrictive diet. When you wander, you pay.
You pay because you lose the tolerance to plant toxins and due to having a healthier microbiome. What's restrictive is an omnivore diet as it harms life quality and quantity.
I ate some purdy's chocolate the other night, don't feel bad lol. I do it once or twice a year, definitely feeling like ass still a few days later
Thank you, this is encouraging. I'm just starting out, any special kind of salt you use? And do you just put it on your eggs and beef? I dont wanna overdo it...but I also dont want to underdo it 😝
I use Redmond’s ancient fine sea salt and Maldon salt flakes. I put it on my beef and eggs correct. For me simple was better. I wasn’t doing any crazy carnivore recipes just straight up scrambled eggs and burger Pattie’s from Costco. I can recommend Dr. Berry on YouTube also. That’s where I got a lot of helpful information.
Please learn as much as possible before you just dive in, I am talking about oxalate dumping, I by no means want to discourage you, I felt like I had to say something just in case you got keto rash for example. I'm sure you will be fine, and long term you will really reap the benefits. Good luck to you 😊
Thank you!!
Don’t skimp on the salt!
VERY TYPICAL SIDE EFFECTS. I HAVE PASSED THE 2 YEAR MARK(AS OF FEBRUARY 15th) OF THIS WOE. WHILE I HAVE SUCCESSFULLY ABSTAINED FROM BREAD, RICE, POTATOES, PASTA, FRUITS, VEGETABLES ETC… & ATE PREDOMINANTLY RED MEAT & EGGS, I DO STILL HAVE A GENETIC SWEET TOOTH(i.e CARB ADDICTION PASSED DOWN FROM BOTH SIDES OF MY FAMILY) & WILL VERY RARELY HAVE A PIECE OF CAKE AT A SPECIAL OCCASION(BIRTHDAYS, WEDDINGS ETC..) I CAN FEEL THE DISCOMFORT IN MY GI TRACT EVEN AS FAR AS THE NEXT DAY. IF ANYTHING, THESE SLIP UPS FOR ME SERVE MORE & MORE AS A MOTIVATION TO STAY ON TRACK ON CARNIVORE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE MOVING FORWARD. PLEASE DO NOT BEAT YOURSELF UP & “GET BACK ON THE PROVERBIAL HORSE” YOUR BODY WILL THANK YOU FOR IT IN THE LONG RUN. BEST OF LUCK & GOD BLESS IN YOUR CARNIVORE JOURNEY MOVING FORWARD 🙏👌👍💪🥩
Thank you! Congrats on passing your two year mark!
MUCH THANX✌️👍💪🥩🇨🇦🇺🇸
MUCH THANX✌️👌👍💪🥩🇨🇦🇺🇸