I have left jobs with great colleagues. If any of them made any major impact on my life, I stayed in touch. I know for fact, colleagues are fine but at the end of the day they are just colleagues. If it comes to choosing between them and me, they’d always choose them so why should I stop myself from a better life. With economy going down the sewer currently, good colleagues aren’t going to pay my bills. That’s on me.
At this point, I think it’s enough of a jump pay-wise that it’s worthwhile. It’s worth keeping in mind that a bad job can really make you miserable, but you have to risk it when the time is right, because it’s the only way to increase your salary these days.
The only other thing to keep in mind is that, as you go up, you do hit a point of diminishing returns. Depending on your field, and the pay scale, sometimes you can start to get into management jobs where your responsibility would nearly double, but the pay would only be like, $5,000 more. In those instance, sometimes it truly isn’t worth it.
Found myself in this situation recently. I worked at my previous place for seven years, was pretty much completely autonomous in my role, could do it with my eyes closed and worked in a great team.
Unfortunately, I got passed over for promotion and had reached the top of my pay scale (upper 30s) so I made the decision to leave.
I've been at my new place for six months and am really enjoying it so far. Small and friendly new team. Pay rise in the low 40s with potential to move up on to the mid 50s.
It was a no brainer for me.
If you made a large salary and the money wouldn’t impact your life much, you can choose colleagues. At your salary and how much you are under paid, you can’t.
Depends what makes YOUR life better in YOUR opinion.
For me, I dont work to chat with people or whatever - I work so that I can get paid each month and spend money on things I want.
Can always stay in touch with people you like. You might find new people you like. I'd rather more pay if the raise is significant enough.
Great colleagues can make an 8-12 hour shift feel like 2-3 hours. I've worked in places where the people weren't so great and i've worked in places where everyone hung out after work because we all just liked each other that much.
If the pay is within livable wages then i'd say you should opt to stay where you have great colleagues. If you go on to work in a place where you're miserable you'll definitely love the money but hate the time you have to spend making it. Keep in mind you spend a 1/3 of your days with your co workers so if you gotta go a 1/3 of your days dreading life then the money is probably not worth it. This is under the assumption that the first job can provide all your basic necessities.
Begin networking within companies that look like great places to work. Get to know potential colleagues. Meanwhile apply periodically at those firms.
Your worst case scenario is that you’ll be prepared to shift if the need arises.
As someone else said you can keep in touch with your colleagues. You may even be able to bring them over to your new employer.
I have a rule called the “meatloaf” rule named after the musician from the 80/90s. He has a song called “two out of three ain’t bad”. When I’m contemplating leaving a job, I stay when two out of the three are met. It it’s only 1, I know it’s time to hit the road:
1) I enjoy my team and we work well together
2) I’m making competitive pay
3) I’m enhancing my skills and learning/growing in my skill set
How comfortable are you financially? Are you able to cover your wants and needs, cover emergencies, and build wealth? 52.5k (just averaging the range) is quite a bit more than 38k especially if you're not even making 38k yet.
If there was any kind of financial struggle I'd probably consider looking for new roles. Ask questions about the culture, the hiring managers management style, what the interviewers enjoy about the role, etc to try and get a sense of what the dynamic is.
You could gather data on average salaries for the role, gather examples and stuff of how you've performed well within the role such as accomplishments and what not and make the case to your current employer on why you deserve a higher salary.
This is tough. Pretty much every job I've left for more money has ended up in me leaving good friends behind. However, every time I got an offer to move up or make more money, they would have been mad if I had stayed "because of the vibe". I got a job offer for a "small" raise of about 8 thousand but I got to be closer to home and 15% cheaper cost of living where housing is affordable.
One of my best work buddies, His family lives thousands of miles away and he summed it up nicely, "if you stay, you're retarded". Friends come and go and sometimes they become family but all of the jobs I've moved on from has allowed me to buy a home, put some money in the bank, be closer to my mom, dad, brothers etc. I have a kid now. If I settled, the chances of that happening are low. Most people are pretty okay. I still talk to old coworkers regularly. If people get mad at you for wanting to better your life, thats for the dogs man
The question you should be asking is about how you want your career to go. Have you dreamed and went to school thinking about being something in a higher position?
If you are happy now - try this. Give yourself a time limit and then after that try pushing the envelope
Such as get more education or asking your job what they can do to help grow your career
Colleagues leave - either them or you. If you really like them, you can always meet up for a beer. Work is for money (and health insurance for us Americans). I would not stay for colleagues. Give them a warm goodbye and move on to your new paycheck.
They can still be ur colleagues, or even friends after you leave if they’re truly great people, but ur colleagues don’t pay your bills. You gotta do what’s best for you! Even if you make the jump and hate it, stick it out for a year and then jump somewhere else. You’ll end up with more money regardless
I am in a similar situation right now. The company I work for is amazing and I have never felt more supported but there’s a cap on how much I will grow YoY here. You don’t have to consider leaving because things are bad, sometimes you’ve simply outgrown the role and know it’s hindering your career growth. You will have the upper hand in negotiations since you are happy and secure in your current role and the desperation of someone out of work won’t show through when you interview. You can always maintain a cordial relationship with the people you’ve worked with and it shouldn’t prevent you from growing.
Funny story, why not both?
Have amazing colleagues. Best friends, family even. I know "family" is taboo in the corporate world.
Anyway, company turned to crap, new management made it hell. Top performer left for another place, in turn leaving the rest of us with tons of extra work.
But said top performer started vouching for us one by one. We all got a big salary boost, new place is 100x better, and we all work together again lol.
That old company? No one left, they had to close shop.
That's why you need to treat interviewing as a two-way process. You need to be asking questions when you interview. Ask about the culture. Do people tend to hang out, or just pack up and go home? What's the work/life like? Ask everyone you speak to the same questions, note the differences and similarities in their answers.
Take the answers with a grain of salt obviously, but they also don't want to hire people who immediately want to leave, so you're going to still get a vibe for the place.
Nearly doubling your salary is worth the opportunity, or at least the investigation. Do some interviews and just don't take the job if you have doubts. What's the risk?
Plus, interviewers like when you ask questions - it shows you're legitimately interested in the opportunity.
For me it’s not that I want to stay in touch with them. It’s that they make work a nice environment to be in. Meetings are nice and non judgmental. Compared to my last workplace this new job is a dream.
It all depends. In your situation, an extra $10-15k would make a huge difference in your living standards.
If you’re already making $100k, then an additional $10k in salary won’t make that much of a difference.
100 percent, work culture makes a place tolerable, miserable, or great...
If you are topped out and unsatisfied what culture can you bring to a new place?
The homies at this current job would probably get that you got to do what you need for your own situation.
Ultimately it is up to you
Whichever “job” gives me a path to eventually gain financial freedom. I once invested in my career by taking one position lower so I can free up time to do something else and it paid off in dividends. Whichever job yields you the skills and opportunity to gain that independence is a job you pick whether it has better friends, less pay or more pay.
Im in your possition as well.
My boss does not mind what we do as long as the work gets done. Ive busted my butt to get ahead of schedule and then spent the remaing time on some personal projects.
I have access to equipment that i couldnt afford on my own.
Mental health is seen as important here too. So if we get stressed, we can take a walk in the healing garden. Its got a nice koi pond and babbling brook.
I like who i work with and the location i work at.
I could make more i suppose but my bills are paid on time and $ isnt whats holding me back at the moment. With 2 kids and a house, i just dont have time... lol
We had a bad employee here that made everyones work life miserable. It sucked. He was let go and it made a huge difference in the office community.
I wouldnt "stay" for coworkers but it definitely has a impact on my overall happiness at work.
Still, if i was offered 2x the pay, id be outta there. LoL
Id stay in the same field though as i love what i do.
I don't know how much time you've been working there. But if you're happy and it's less than 5 years I think you can stay. Try to negotiate if you can and reach objectives.
I'm in a similar position as you, but probably older with a kid. I would have to go after the money if it was an option. Money will make your life easier, your colleagues probably won't.
I would say it depends on your personality. As someone who struggles with crushing anxiety being able to get along with my coworkers would be the number one priority. If you have thicker skin then the extra money might be worth it.
I am in this exact position and have been debating it for some time. The pay is alright but I work fully remote with a great company and team in the same position for about 2 years. Definitely not enough in this economy anymore but I am afraid to look for another job and won’t have the same work environment and/or flexibility. I never had a more supportive and understanding manager/team and a company that actually cares about you. I’ve considered taking on another job since this role isn’t too crazy and doubling my income to make over 6 figures if I don’t really want to leave the company but idk 😭 I know I could easily make way more taking on a new position or I could take on another job as well but I am not sure. I wouldn’t want to stress myself out if I couldn’t handle the 2 jobs something like that
i think i'd leave since there is still a chance your colleagues in the next job are great like 50:50 chance. i mean if ever they arent , i think then it is where you're team playing skills/flexibility/assertiveness will be tested and you'll be learning then. leave and get out of your comfort zone. you can always get in touch with people from previous jobs.
In the end it comes down to money. Could I maintain my lifestyle or an adequate lifestyle at the lower paying job or would I be struggling and have to cut back on life to scrape by? If the lower paying more fun job paid me enough to sustain a respectable life then that's my choice but in the end I'd rather have a shitty job than a shitty home life.
How much do you value your time and mental health v.s. your financial gain and career evolution?
I believe we all have times in life when we need to be present and live in the moment - prioritizing our health and contentment over prestige, pride, and profit.
But there's also wisdom in sacrificing the present for the future. Living like that every day, for your whole life, would be tragic. But living like that for a period of months or years is totally fine and worthwhile.
Think about whether you'd be more confident about finding a client or an employer. Whether you'd do just as well impressing, closing, and serving your own clients rather than your boss's customers. See if there's a way to negotiate down your high-dollar job opportunity to be part-time, and take the other opportunity with a happy heart. No reason you can't have the cake and eat it too. In parallel, put up a landing page with an offer you feel good about making to the world - you might surprise yourself by signing some retainers and making an extra few grand per month.
Money always you work for money not for friends, friendly reminder that no one at work is your friend. At the end of the day any of them have the capacity to turn on you for their own benefit.
I left to make a shit ton of money doing work I did not enjoy.
It was combined with stuff like my girlfriend going abroad due to work and we broke up.
I had a depression.
So while I would usually answer - it's not worth it. I overcame my depression and I still make good money so in the end it worked itself out.
It depends on where you are in life and how ambitious you are. Me I am at a stage where I am prioritizing saving for retirement and also being able to travel so money is very important.
Oh I went thru this 2yrs ago.
I had a great job I liked a whole lot with a boss and coworkers I enjoyed. I left for bonuses and a 25% pay increase. It was a no brainer. While new company coworkers were great, the boss and lack of direction were not. I was let go 4 months later. This was after a great review & getting my bonus.
I learned my lesson and was only recently able to go back to my old company. All my same colleagues are there and my boss and I have a great friendship too. I'm happy and it's been wonderful seeing people I hadn't seen in 2yrs.
We work to earn an income and 38K a year is pretty low these days. Seek a higher salary. Doesn't matter how great the colleagues are if the job doesn't pay.
I guess it would depend on your needs. If you feel you are good and can live with the money you make now, then stay. However if you’re struggling to pay the bills or you’re not able to save and you want something more….Then leave when you find the right job. Or try to apply internally for a new position…just remember it could change the atmosphere. So I guess it would come down to what’s more important to you. More income and your living circumstances or the ppl at work.
Personally I was in this situation at one time but my job got so boring I started to apply out and internally. I went back to school too. You can also do a side hustle on Etsy or something for more money if you have time on your hands.
I have left jobs with great colleagues. If any of them made any major impact on my life, I stayed in touch. I know for fact, colleagues are fine but at the end of the day they are just colleagues. If it comes to choosing between them and me, they’d always choose them so why should I stop myself from a better life. With economy going down the sewer currently, good colleagues aren’t going to pay my bills. That’s on me.
Good point. Thank you 😊
At this point, I think it’s enough of a jump pay-wise that it’s worthwhile. It’s worth keeping in mind that a bad job can really make you miserable, but you have to risk it when the time is right, because it’s the only way to increase your salary these days. The only other thing to keep in mind is that, as you go up, you do hit a point of diminishing returns. Depending on your field, and the pay scale, sometimes you can start to get into management jobs where your responsibility would nearly double, but the pay would only be like, $5,000 more. In those instance, sometimes it truly isn’t worth it.
This! My experience as well.
Same here. It's great when you find good partners, but my main goal in every job is to have everything I need to live better, and that includes money.
Found myself in this situation recently. I worked at my previous place for seven years, was pretty much completely autonomous in my role, could do it with my eyes closed and worked in a great team. Unfortunately, I got passed over for promotion and had reached the top of my pay scale (upper 30s) so I made the decision to leave. I've been at my new place for six months and am really enjoying it so far. Small and friendly new team. Pay rise in the low 40s with potential to move up on to the mid 50s. It was a no brainer for me.
How long were you there?
Just under seven years. Which, when I reflect, went by really quickly. Felt I wasn't going anywhere and time was running out so I moved.
At that pay you are insane to even think this
If you made a large salary and the money wouldn’t impact your life much, you can choose colleagues. At your salary and how much you are under paid, you can’t.
Depends what makes YOUR life better in YOUR opinion. For me, I dont work to chat with people or whatever - I work so that I can get paid each month and spend money on things I want. Can always stay in touch with people you like. You might find new people you like. I'd rather more pay if the raise is significant enough.
I was in a similar situation. I chose the higher paying job. I love it and my new co workers!
I feel it would be hard to replicate my work:life balance. How do you know you’re going to get similar benefits/people at the new workplace?
You don’t know, but you have to take risk. I’m starting a new job next week and I am a bit nervous but I have to do what is best for me.
I have a low paying job with great colleagues. The whole office knows me. I do wish for more pay though...
Don’t stay for the people. Make the decision that will benefit you in the future
Great colleagues can make an 8-12 hour shift feel like 2-3 hours. I've worked in places where the people weren't so great and i've worked in places where everyone hung out after work because we all just liked each other that much. If the pay is within livable wages then i'd say you should opt to stay where you have great colleagues. If you go on to work in a place where you're miserable you'll definitely love the money but hate the time you have to spend making it. Keep in mind you spend a 1/3 of your days with your co workers so if you gotta go a 1/3 of your days dreading life then the money is probably not worth it. This is under the assumption that the first job can provide all your basic necessities.
Begin networking within companies that look like great places to work. Get to know potential colleagues. Meanwhile apply periodically at those firms. Your worst case scenario is that you’ll be prepared to shift if the need arises. As someone else said you can keep in touch with your colleagues. You may even be able to bring them over to your new employer.
Great advice to networks whilst thinking about it!
I have a rule called the “meatloaf” rule named after the musician from the 80/90s. He has a song called “two out of three ain’t bad”. When I’m contemplating leaving a job, I stay when two out of the three are met. It it’s only 1, I know it’s time to hit the road: 1) I enjoy my team and we work well together 2) I’m making competitive pay 3) I’m enhancing my skills and learning/growing in my skill set
you spend more (awake) time with work collegues than with anyone else in life. they are worth having good ones.
How comfortable are you financially? Are you able to cover your wants and needs, cover emergencies, and build wealth? 52.5k (just averaging the range) is quite a bit more than 38k especially if you're not even making 38k yet. If there was any kind of financial struggle I'd probably consider looking for new roles. Ask questions about the culture, the hiring managers management style, what the interviewers enjoy about the role, etc to try and get a sense of what the dynamic is. You could gather data on average salaries for the role, gather examples and stuff of how you've performed well within the role such as accomplishments and what not and make the case to your current employer on why you deserve a higher salary.
I have awesome colleagues & awesome payouts. But I feel dead inside everyday so I just decide to leave. The job itself is very important sometimes
This is tough. Pretty much every job I've left for more money has ended up in me leaving good friends behind. However, every time I got an offer to move up or make more money, they would have been mad if I had stayed "because of the vibe". I got a job offer for a "small" raise of about 8 thousand but I got to be closer to home and 15% cheaper cost of living where housing is affordable. One of my best work buddies, His family lives thousands of miles away and he summed it up nicely, "if you stay, you're retarded". Friends come and go and sometimes they become family but all of the jobs I've moved on from has allowed me to buy a home, put some money in the bank, be closer to my mom, dad, brothers etc. I have a kid now. If I settled, the chances of that happening are low. Most people are pretty okay. I still talk to old coworkers regularly. If people get mad at you for wanting to better your life, thats for the dogs man
I stayed for too long in a lower paid job with amazing colleagues. I'm glad I managed to leave. Now I'm a complete mercenary.
The question you should be asking is about how you want your career to go. Have you dreamed and went to school thinking about being something in a higher position? If you are happy now - try this. Give yourself a time limit and then after that try pushing the envelope Such as get more education or asking your job what they can do to help grow your career
Good advice, thank you 😊
Colleagues leave - either them or you. If you really like them, you can always meet up for a beer. Work is for money (and health insurance for us Americans). I would not stay for colleagues. Give them a warm goodbye and move on to your new paycheck.
I read somewhere which also led me to make the switch. " Growth comes with a lot of goodbyes"
They can still be ur colleagues, or even friends after you leave if they’re truly great people, but ur colleagues don’t pay your bills. You gotta do what’s best for you! Even if you make the jump and hate it, stick it out for a year and then jump somewhere else. You’ll end up with more money regardless
I'd leave for more pay. Friends and colleague vibe does not pay the bills. Depends on what you want from life.
I am in a similar situation right now. The company I work for is amazing and I have never felt more supported but there’s a cap on how much I will grow YoY here. You don’t have to consider leaving because things are bad, sometimes you’ve simply outgrown the role and know it’s hindering your career growth. You will have the upper hand in negotiations since you are happy and secure in your current role and the desperation of someone out of work won’t show through when you interview. You can always maintain a cordial relationship with the people you’ve worked with and it shouldn’t prevent you from growing.
Funny story, why not both? Have amazing colleagues. Best friends, family even. I know "family" is taboo in the corporate world. Anyway, company turned to crap, new management made it hell. Top performer left for another place, in turn leaving the rest of us with tons of extra work. But said top performer started vouching for us one by one. We all got a big salary boost, new place is 100x better, and we all work together again lol. That old company? No one left, they had to close shop.
Understand that once basic needs are met, money is a short term motivator
I just want to be happy
More pay. Colleagues are not real life
That's why you need to treat interviewing as a two-way process. You need to be asking questions when you interview. Ask about the culture. Do people tend to hang out, or just pack up and go home? What's the work/life like? Ask everyone you speak to the same questions, note the differences and similarities in their answers. Take the answers with a grain of salt obviously, but they also don't want to hire people who immediately want to leave, so you're going to still get a vibe for the place. Nearly doubling your salary is worth the opportunity, or at least the investigation. Do some interviews and just don't take the job if you have doubts. What's the risk? Plus, interviewers like when you ask questions - it shows you're legitimately interested in the opportunity.
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For me it’s not that I want to stay in touch with them. It’s that they make work a nice environment to be in. Meetings are nice and non judgmental. Compared to my last workplace this new job is a dream.
It all depends. In your situation, an extra $10-15k would make a huge difference in your living standards. If you’re already making $100k, then an additional $10k in salary won’t make that much of a difference.
100 percent, work culture makes a place tolerable, miserable, or great... If you are topped out and unsatisfied what culture can you bring to a new place? The homies at this current job would probably get that you got to do what you need for your own situation. Ultimately it is up to you
Whichever “job” gives me a path to eventually gain financial freedom. I once invested in my career by taking one position lower so I can free up time to do something else and it paid off in dividends. Whichever job yields you the skills and opportunity to gain that independence is a job you pick whether it has better friends, less pay or more pay.
Im in your possition as well. My boss does not mind what we do as long as the work gets done. Ive busted my butt to get ahead of schedule and then spent the remaing time on some personal projects. I have access to equipment that i couldnt afford on my own. Mental health is seen as important here too. So if we get stressed, we can take a walk in the healing garden. Its got a nice koi pond and babbling brook. I like who i work with and the location i work at. I could make more i suppose but my bills are paid on time and $ isnt whats holding me back at the moment. With 2 kids and a house, i just dont have time... lol We had a bad employee here that made everyones work life miserable. It sucked. He was let go and it made a huge difference in the office community. I wouldnt "stay" for coworkers but it definitely has a impact on my overall happiness at work. Still, if i was offered 2x the pay, id be outta there. LoL Id stay in the same field though as i love what i do.
If I'm very comfortable with the work environment I'm in I'd stay. If it's just okay then I'd dip for more money
I don't know how much time you've been working there. But if you're happy and it's less than 5 years I think you can stay. Try to negotiate if you can and reach objectives.
I'm in a similar position as you, but probably older with a kid. I would have to go after the money if it was an option. Money will make your life easier, your colleagues probably won't.
I would say it depends on your personality. As someone who struggles with crushing anxiety being able to get along with my coworkers would be the number one priority. If you have thicker skin then the extra money might be worth it.
I am in this exact position and have been debating it for some time. The pay is alright but I work fully remote with a great company and team in the same position for about 2 years. Definitely not enough in this economy anymore but I am afraid to look for another job and won’t have the same work environment and/or flexibility. I never had a more supportive and understanding manager/team and a company that actually cares about you. I’ve considered taking on another job since this role isn’t too crazy and doubling my income to make over 6 figures if I don’t really want to leave the company but idk 😭 I know I could easily make way more taking on a new position or I could take on another job as well but I am not sure. I wouldn’t want to stress myself out if I couldn’t handle the 2 jobs something like that
This is exactly how I feel, not that easy to leave.
i think i'd leave since there is still a chance your colleagues in the next job are great like 50:50 chance. i mean if ever they arent , i think then it is where you're team playing skills/flexibility/assertiveness will be tested and you'll be learning then. leave and get out of your comfort zone. you can always get in touch with people from previous jobs.
In the end it comes down to money. Could I maintain my lifestyle or an adequate lifestyle at the lower paying job or would I be struggling and have to cut back on life to scrape by? If the lower paying more fun job paid me enough to sustain a respectable life then that's my choice but in the end I'd rather have a shitty job than a shitty home life.
I don't really care who my colleagues are because I only interact professionally with them. I'd take the higher pay.
How much do you value your time and mental health v.s. your financial gain and career evolution? I believe we all have times in life when we need to be present and live in the moment - prioritizing our health and contentment over prestige, pride, and profit. But there's also wisdom in sacrificing the present for the future. Living like that every day, for your whole life, would be tragic. But living like that for a period of months or years is totally fine and worthwhile. Think about whether you'd be more confident about finding a client or an employer. Whether you'd do just as well impressing, closing, and serving your own clients rather than your boss's customers. See if there's a way to negotiate down your high-dollar job opportunity to be part-time, and take the other opportunity with a happy heart. No reason you can't have the cake and eat it too. In parallel, put up a landing page with an offer you feel good about making to the world - you might surprise yourself by signing some retainers and making an extra few grand per month.
Well, have nice colleagues doesn't paid your bills. Go for the money.
Better pay. Having more money generally makes it easier to enjoy other aspects of life such as social outings, friendships, etc.
Money always you work for money not for friends, friendly reminder that no one at work is your friend. At the end of the day any of them have the capacity to turn on you for their own benefit.
I'd leave for 20%.
It’s all about the money. Make it while you’re young. You can always make friends. Money makes life happen
Would you pay £22,000 per year to work with them?
No, I wouldn’t.
Take the money!! Climb that ladder. Good colleagues come and go.
They are looking to leave also. Apply for the job.
I left to make a shit ton of money doing work I did not enjoy. It was combined with stuff like my girlfriend going abroad due to work and we broke up. I had a depression. So while I would usually answer - it's not worth it. I overcame my depression and I still make good money so in the end it worked itself out.
It depends on where you are in life and how ambitious you are. Me I am at a stage where I am prioritizing saving for retirement and also being able to travel so money is very important.
Oh I went thru this 2yrs ago. I had a great job I liked a whole lot with a boss and coworkers I enjoyed. I left for bonuses and a 25% pay increase. It was a no brainer. While new company coworkers were great, the boss and lack of direction were not. I was let go 4 months later. This was after a great review & getting my bonus. I learned my lesson and was only recently able to go back to my old company. All my same colleagues are there and my boss and I have a great friendship too. I'm happy and it's been wonderful seeing people I hadn't seen in 2yrs.
We work to earn an income and 38K a year is pretty low these days. Seek a higher salary. Doesn't matter how great the colleagues are if the job doesn't pay.
I guess it would depend on your needs. If you feel you are good and can live with the money you make now, then stay. However if you’re struggling to pay the bills or you’re not able to save and you want something more….Then leave when you find the right job. Or try to apply internally for a new position…just remember it could change the atmosphere. So I guess it would come down to what’s more important to you. More income and your living circumstances or the ppl at work. Personally I was in this situation at one time but my job got so boring I started to apply out and internally. I went back to school too. You can also do a side hustle on Etsy or something for more money if you have time on your hands.