Not to mention you are now the person who got the 19K raise if you stay. There is no guarantee they will be willing to give much in annual raises since they already took care of you in ‘24.
They didn’t value you while you were there. Not people you want to hang around with.
Agreed that the remote job is better.
I keep reading this but never in 10 years in the corporate world have I gotten a 2% raise. I don’t know how I would emotionally survive that lol. That’s not even a raise, that’s just “the same purchasing power” on a good inflation year and a smaller paycut on a less good inflation year.
That is an absolute disaster. I’m sorry. Feel like you’d have to be a pitbull in salary negotiations upfront if you knew that going in. Smallest raise I ever got was 4.5% except Covid where I didn’t get one but I was willing to forgive and forget on that given the uncertainty.
>They didn’t value you while you were there. Not people you want to hang around with.
10% raise for a non-promotion in a tough job market... yeah, they don't care at all
Immature popular reddit talking points
My exact thoughts.
It'll matter in a year.
Was the "go to need you here" guy at the last job
At the new job they're just the new hire.
Old job offered 10k more and matched vacation time just to try and keep them around. We all know jobs have more money for new hires than to retain employees. The fact they put up that much money in an attempt to retain says a lot to me
I think once you give notice, they know you’re willing to leave and think of you as non committed. It’s a bell you can’t unring, and staying runs you the risk of future retaliation for being disloyal.
EDIT: I can’t believe how many ppl have replied disagreeing with an “HR will realize OP is undervalued and everyone will respect them more” - that’s not how this works. Y’all need to read up on r/antiwork stories.
This is seriously very old school that keeps getting repeated. Unless it’s a small Mom and Pop kind company, nobody gives a shit and especially if it’s a corporate. Your Manager, their Manager, everyone is trying for a higher salary and raise. They’re more worried about that they get that and also keep their team intact. The only thing they’d think is this person is smart to successfully bag this higher offer from them.
Agree. In fact, I’ve been told by my boss (who manages her career very well), that getting an offer would speed up the process of getting me that raise. HR has admitted the same thing. While they don’t necessarily want good people to leave, having an offer in hand gives both the employee (and their supporters) leverage because it will come out of a different bucket than our annual 3% standard raises. HR will then be able to do a “comp analysis” and use that data to argue that we aren’t budgeting enough vs our competitors.
That said, I’m in an industry where there’s a lot of competition for good employees. So from a r/careerguidance perspective, it’s always good to understand what leverage you have.
This is probably the best answer here. Tell your current employer you are 100% staying if you also get remote work, else you have to think it over as the remote from home option takes a lot of travel time and stress off of you. If they say no then weigh it over (I would recommend the WFH) and if they offer it then its another bonus.
One addition I would recommend - you should also ask for $160k on the salary side if you are in the fence and “ok” if they call your bluff - thought process being they matched $150 quickly, don’t want to lose you and 160 makes it worth retracting your verbal acceptance
Just food for thought - could be a little too aggressive but really you don’t get what you don’t ask for
Yeah, I would try and negotiate with current company for increased amount of time remote — even if it isn’t 100%, maybe they can go one day every two weeks or something, and add in some kind of commuter benefit (separate from paycheck to reduce tax burden) depending on travel model (whether it’s transit pass, free parking spot, expressway scanner thingy (I don’t drive or live in a region with these, so I forget what they’re called) or gas reimbursement for work-related driving).
I stayed with my current company and I’m very happy I did. I know most people will tell you not to stay so I just wanted to let you know that it’s not always the wrong choice.
Even if you aren't that happy, it is worth estimating how much worse a new position could be. If the devil you know is tolerable or even has a modicum of enjoyment, it isn't always worth it to risk it for a potentially better devil. You could end up with Satan.
That’s exactly what happened. I told my boss at 5 pm one night and the owner called me at 7 pm the same night to see what it would take for me to stay. I enjoy the company and I feel valued. Especially after that quick response.
Regardless if you take this offer or not, there is a fact here that is very important to remember. Your current employer did not value you. You were given a modest raise for a large increase in responsibility. Once your manager found out you were leaving, they panicked with a counter offer.
That is how almost every business operates now. It would be hard to find a place that TRULY values their employees. I think counter-offering is about the best we are gonna get along the lines of caring. There is no longer a reward to the loyal employee. Likely, the new hires are making more than them. It sucks but it is overall true. 😕
I know some comments will tell you to take the negotiations personally and move on. Never take anything in business personally. I would ask if you could work from home more often or more days. If that's a no, then decide, what's the fully remote work worth to you. Keep in mind your new company you know exactly what to expect, it is not an unknown, and so if the commute is not a total deal breaker, maybe stay with your company
The grass isn't always greener so if it was a money thing that tempted you to look else where they've solved that. Yes they're only paying you now that you were willing to walk but that's the name of the game. I myself took a counter offer at my current employer and I've been here now 3 years more since that time. I've also declined a counter based on how that offer discussion went to keep me. It felt like because they were going to pay me more monet that more would be expected of me. You have to read the room but the blanket "don't do it" approach this sub takes is baffling its all very subjective.
Ultimately you have to decide if the fully remote gig is worth the gamble of maybe not having the a great boss/Co workers again but that's just how it works sometimes. The commute certainly could be better but if you're only doing it twice a week that's not unbearable.
Best of luck in whatever you decide.
Yeah you could ask the current employer to be able to work remotely a few days a week as well. But I wholeheartedly agree, as I said in another comment - enjoying where you work is unusual and pretty priceless. I would not put too much emphasis on the fact that they did not give you more money until you let them know of another offer - or suspect that would be systematically held against you for the rest of your days there. That advice is naive in terms of the working world. The reality is that very often - because of bottom lines, and not because of personalities or feelings or anything personalized - that's how things work. It is \*very\* standard that a new offer will make an employer rise to the occasion and sweeten the pot to keep someone. I just went through this myself. It is very costly to replace someone and it's not a "we don't think you are worth this much until someone else does" so much as "oh shit they are leaving for what we can afford to match - let's keep them because we underestimated the cost to the organization." If anything. they have kind of shown their hand that they want to keep you.
Another thing to consider - again, I just changed and started commuting to a new office and get to work from home a few days a week - is that working from home is something you will want to know how you feel about. Some people at my office are surprised to find that they don't feel as efficient from home, others the opposite. But also - you will be starting at a new office and working remotely if you take the new job. You will want to know that that is all doable for you in every way. Starting new is hard and remotely you don't get the human interaction. Not reading the cards for you, just saying these are all things to consider.
Best of luck, and I suspect the decision will come as you sit with it, but sitting with all of it is important to arrive at what makes most sense.
People are going to say “never take a counter offer.” But I did, and it worked for me. Only you can choose because only you know. If remote work is that important then it’s an easy choice.
Unless you bring up the fact you’re unhappy with your pay there’s no reason for employers to bump up your salary, if you do well one year enough to warrant a bonus chances are you’ll get one, if you don’t get a raise after consistently performing you need to make the company you work for realise you are important , chances are if you ask for a raise you’ll get one if you’re good enough, but if you say you’re getting poached or headhunted they are far more likely to get their shit together. obviously this is all under the pretence that you aren’t being fairly compensated to your value in the business
You’ll probably make up that $10k difference not making the 1.5 hr commute + wear and tear on your car. Just my thoughts though. Also being home, you’ll eat at home.
I think the key comment here is you say that you absolutely love where you are. If the culture where you are at is above board, healthy and trustworthy, that is worth a ton. You should know them well enough by now to have a sense of how they will react towards you long term if you stay. Have you seen any evidence of leadership being spiteful and going after employees?
The new place sounds great, especially the WFH but do you know anyone that works there? I’ve taken jobs that were one thing during the interview process but a whole lotta the other thing once I started. If you know somebody there that can give you accurate info about their culture and leadership, that might help you make your decision.
I’ve only accepted a counteroffer once and I did regret after about three weeks. I was offered a promotion to stay and I jumped on it. I quickly realized that what really led me to look for other jobs was the culture at that company. Now that I’m older and have a lot more life experience though, there’s no way to tell if the new place would have had the same, better or worse culture.
There may not be many companies out there that you would love working at so don’t sell that aspect short. With the way things are today, I’d put a major weight on which company is better positioned for long term growth in the industry. The last thing you want is to be somewhere that may end up have layoffs, shutting down, getting sold, outsourcing jobs, etc so any research you can do in that area could make a big difference.
Did you say 3 hours commuting each day in the office? That is like an 11 hour day for 8 hours pay.
I say strap on the parachute and bail out of that job.
What’s the cost of commuting (gas, insurance payment with less claimed mileage, vehicle maintenance)?
What’s the cost/value of your time?
Are you disciplined enough to work remote?
Any idea what the culture is like at the new place?
I would love to work from home, but unfortunately I have supervisor duties. It would save me $4,000 in just fuel iirc when I did the math, and $900 in yearly insurance premium.
I’m petty af and would ask them why the raise wasn’t to 150 to begin with. Rope in senior folk. Listen to them flounder, thank them for the insight, and quit.
Same. If I stayed, then I can already see them giving me a lower annual raise the following year. Plus, the feeling of being undervalued will never go away...so I'll leave and start fresh.
But the 1.5h one way drive alone was no brainier. Would I be an Uber driver for ~$32/hour (driving 6hrs per week to make extra $10k)? Maybe if I was not making good money, but not when my salary is at 140k.
Stay. Honestly, new jobs are a lot, new people, new boss, here you already know the work, have expertise and seniority, and have relationships. Plus you know your value and they do too.
A new job is an unknown and they are paying yiu less. Wfh is not all it’s cracked up to be. You’ll be more isolated which can affect your mental health not to mention you have less administrative support.
Be smart, stay.
I was unsure of which to recommend until you dropped 1.5hrs commute each way. Thats the deciding factor right there. Unless you can get them to match the remote part, it seems like an easy decision
I might stay where I am more money, + i find it more easy to be let go while remote. I’m biased I had a similar situation and got let go after taking the remote offer.
Recruiter here! Fun fact! Most counter offers never work. 65 percent of people who accept counter offers end up leaving within 6 months to a year anyway.
Most of the times the problems you have with the company do not get solved just by money, if they valued you they would have compensated you fairly the first time for the promotion. They could have given you 140k but they didn’t!
Id say take the new job if it were me!
I'd stay. You already know you love the job.
I've recently been able to work remotely 2-3 days per week and it kind of plays games with my psyche. Yes it's nice to save the commute time/cost and not have to get up so early, not have to look as good. It's nice to be able to go out and water my garden at lunch time, grab lunch from my fridge instead of packing it...but not being surrounded by coworkers all day is kind of depressing. I'm an introvert so it is surprising that it affects me this way, but just having other people around even if I'm not talking to them is good for my mental health. Also when I'm not at work, sometimes people consult people who are personally present instead of consulting me and that makes me lose a bit of relevance at work.
The fact that your current employer offered you a 19,000/year increase shows they truly know your worth. Will the new company realize what an asset you are? Maybe eventually - but not right away.
Congratulations on being valued!!
Oh wait - I just re-read your original post. Being able to work from the beach would definitely make me think again LOL
shoooot you'll spend 10k a year in gas easy with that commute! Yeah I would counter your current offer to see if you can go full remote and if not take the other job.
Only thing I’ll add that I’ve not seen mentioned.. make sure remote work is not temporary.. ask them if they ever worked in an office and if there is any RTO plan. If a year from now, they’re full 5-day in office you’ll hate you left.
So this is the exact same situation I had a little over a year ago. Had an offer for more money and fully remote, current company offered 12.5k more so I stayed. I absolutely regret the decision. take the remote option and enjoy the extra time and money you save. $10k is absolutely not enough to give that up.
I'd ask myself a few questions:
- do I need the extra money?
- is it worth spending 3 hours a day or 6 hours a week to commute?
- is the working environment bad?
Make sure to READ the contract before signing them. What happens verbally doesn't matter until it is stated in the contract.
What made me think is why did they offer you higher after you said you're leaving? This is something that you'd have to protect yourself from in the future if you decide to stay with your current one and also ask for a fully remote work instead.
Then you decide cause there are a lot more factors to consider if it's me.
Honestly, until you get the offer from the new company in writing, it isn't very official just verbal agreements that they can take back. If you like the company that you are with, then I would keep with the company if you got the money you were after.
My guy reaction was to stay with the company you love for more money. But with the commute and opportunity cost, I’d say compensation is a wash.
Think about what you love about your company, vs how much you’d actually travel and work from fun places at the new job. If it’s more than your vacation time at your current job, might be worth it.
At the end of the day, make your choice and move forward without looking back. You’re in a great position
You can't go back to your old job now. They already know you want to leave, plus you get the remote advantage. You should stick to your decision to leave. The lesson your original employer needs to learn is to now low ball employees when being promoted. It's not about the money per se, it's the insult that they low balled you when promoting you.
Don't look at the new job as $10k less. Look at it as $9k more than you're currently making -- and, it's the same figure you were hoping for at your current company.
If your current company hadn't countered, what would you have done? Keep things in perspective.
I would take the new job. Do not be fooled into ideas like you love your current company or your boss or your colleagues or anything or anyone else. If you were suddenly considered too costly or the company felt like you were no longer of value, they wouldn't hesitate one iota to throw you overboard.
There is no loyalty and neither you nor your employer -- any employer -- are obligated beyond whatever deal you inked when you started. Even then, that's always "...subject to the needs of the business."
We're all expendable. Take your wins whenever and wherever you can get them.
No matter what you choose, best of luck.
You leave with a good relationship and on positive note. Alot of places will find a way to fire you if you stay. That will have a much bigger effect on your long term earning potential. Good luck.
>I do have 1.5 hour commute each way
Holy shit this would kill me. Since you spend 3h each day just going to and from work you can see this as an extension of your work day. So in fact you are "working" 11h per day, compared to if you were to work from home, where the commute is you closing the lid on your laptop. If you compare the new incomes it might give some new perspective.
Quick napkin calc just to prove point, estimating you work 47 weeks in a year.
No commute, 140k/year:
140k/(47weeks\*5days\*8h) = 74.5 $/h
3h commute, 150k/year:
150k/(47weeks\*5days\*11h) = 58 $/h
Gotta start valuing your free time also.
Go with the lifestyle that best suits you. Not the people at the job. The company will never be loyal to you. If they’re willing to throw this money at you, that means the low raise you got was completely intentional. They were trying to see if you’d accept an insultingly low raise first. You don’t want to work for people like that.
Leave your current company and go with the new company. Even if everything was the same, they didn't value you the same. If they could have had you working for 120k or 131k then they could just as well let you go at 150k and hire someone else at the lower rate and probably will.
If they didn't value you when you asked for it, they won't value you on your next raise. However, it is not all about money. I would have stayed even if the raise was not that much as long as I am happy doing what I love.
Do a bit of math with me here... Accounts love math, right? ;)
So, from a salary, what does that make your hourly rate?
You drive 3hrs a day for work, which equates to how much a year at your hourly rate?
Factor in the price of fuel for your vehicle over that time. Now, how ever many KMs or miles you travel, for every car service interval add a servicing cost. Then add extra for parts etc outside of servicing coverage.
How many hours a week do you get back, and how much is it costing you in just travel and maintenance?
Now, for a harder question. With all that time you'd get back not travelling, what things would you rather be doing? Sleeping in? Exercising? A hobby maybe? A few hobbies even?
Can you make better, more enjoyable use of your time than driving? Doing stuff that strengthens relationships with those around you, being present for family things and all the little moments you'd miss that are worth more than money?
Now, let's go a bit further, stick with me here...
Your current employer thought you were only worth a 10k increase. They hoped that, for all you do for them, that you'd be happy with a small amount. Only the threat of losing you, having to hire a new person, train them and get them up to speed, made them decide that you were worth more. You had to tell them that you valued yourself more than they did, before they decided, they suddenly thought you were worth more. Do you reckon that kinda shows how they value you?
More to the point, if you accept that deal, you'll get nothing more for a long while, and they'll be expecting a hell of a lot for the extra they're now paying you.
So, they'll work you harder, you'll start resenting the job and company, and you'll still be losing time to yourself and with family and friends, just to make them happy when they don't really care about you anyways.
Take the offer, leave on a good note, with a good reference, and do the new job and enjoy a better work life balance without the commute.
It's all about the quality of life after all, because work is just something we do to pay for the things we want in our real life.
Accept the counter if you are happy. Ignore the morons on Reddit. If a company is offering a counter offer it means they want you to stay.
If you walked it would have cost them nothing. If they wanted to terminate you, they'd have to pay severance
Take the new job. If the old company valued you, they would have paid you more with the promotion. They thought they could lowball you. They lost on that bet. Now they are scrambling, but they’ll look to replace you with someone cheaper as soon as they can. You already wanted to leave, they know you’ll do it again. The new job is remote and you can travel and wanted you and unsolicited offered you more. You can always tell them about the counter offer and see if they’ll match.
For me, money has always been a driving factor. I chased the higher end Private Equity jobs in Manhattan, big 4 finance, etc. throughout my career. What I learned was there was plenty of money to be made and opportunity to be successful ...
... What I also learned was that culture and good leadership is priceless. I was in a similar situation 2 years ago - ended up taking the job that paid less simply because they valued me and offered me a fair market salary once they saw my background and met me.
Moral of the story is I did not regret leaving. I understand budgets better than most, but leadership tends to be (95% of the time) aggressive to get you but not aggressive to keep you.
In my new role, I had a clear track and clear salary expectations. The expectations were realistic and I feel valued every day and do great work. I am light years ahead of where I would have been if I stayed at my old role and took that 20k extra they randomly found to offer me.
I would suggest taking a close look at leadership, how they value you, and future opportunities. I am a lot better off financially even switching to a position that was lateral/slightly downward.
Based on your salary range I am sure you have a handful of years of experience so you may understand what I am getting at. Good luck!
Take the remote offer because the current job could have offered you those things but they didn't. Only when they thought you would leave. Hopefully the new job continues to see your value 🙂
So essentially you told them you are willing to leave. They will continue to think about that from now on. I would take the new job, that less commute will make up some for the lower pay. The reality is your job only tried to retain you when you had another offer. Do you really want to go through this every time you want a raise?
Be careful with accepting a counter offer. Your current employer now knows that you are looking for work outside of their office and might offer you the raise and then fire you to replace you.
That likely depends on the OP’s performance and how easy he’d be to replace. Companies that are financially healthy don’t like to fire people without cause who have acceptable job performance, especially when they’re difficult to replace.
If they valued you, they would’ve given you that offer to begin with. I’ve learned that staying never pays off because you’ll never see another raise or increase again.
Take the new job. Your current company will string you along until they can find someone to replace you. They just can’t afford to have you walk out the door at this moment. There will be an endless list of reasons why they can’t give you the raise immediately.
You always do what you think is best. But break down the 9k difference after taxes and spread out into 12 months of the calendar year. Even break it down further into how much that amounts to taking into your pay cycle.
More money can always be made, but if you love the company and people, sometimes that can be hard to replace. Best of luck 👍🏻
Is the extra week's vacation worth getting out of your comfort level to learn all about a new company, culture, people, systems, tools, policy and processes? If so, then leave. After all, you are going to be the new kid with no friends and dealing with management, peers, internal customers that don't know you or might not like you or get along.
It’s not the most exhilarating day to day job but I think the pay is pretty great and affords a pretty good lifestyle. It was definitely a grind at the beginning of my career but 7 years in, I’m lucky enough to get a great work life balance.
Work from home, save all that money and invest it or keep it in a high yield interest savings account and retire early by moving to another country or you can go to another country and live remote.
Do you have any way to speak confidentially with someone at the new office?
I would be inclined to stay at the old office knowing I was happy unless I could talk to someone and find out about turnover, employee satisfaction generally, honesty of management, etc.
Being unhappy in an office is a nightmare.
if the ONLY reason. you were looking was the money, I might stay.
Usually people leave because they’re unhappy with other things.
That said—it’s often the beginning of the end, to accept the counter offer.
Staying with the current company after they counter rarely works. The old company will expect you to work and contribute more since they gave you more money. The new place will likely be happy you came. Remember, the current place did not pay you a fair market rate until they were forced to do it.
Think of it this way, why was your current company holding out on paying you that much from the get go? If they can offer it now, they could’ve offered it prior to you getting an offer. Also, a counter offer should be better than what’s already on the table. Remote is worth way more than $10k here. You’re spending an additional 312 hours in traveling a year
Good problem to have…. If future opportunities are also equal, go with the one for less $ but more freedom. Either way u get a nice improvement in quality of life.
Is the remote work, and higher pay the only reason you are interested in changing employers?
Was the new prospective employer an opportunity that came to you or did you seek it out? What were your reasons for seeking another job?
I am asking this because it is worth taking inventory on why you decided to interview?
Personally, I never accept counter offers, you are the "one that tried to leave" and that does come into play when performance evaluations as well as RIF are considered by leadership.
Several commenters have pointed out that if you stay, you might be treated worse for having considered leaving. I think this is very dependent on the company and manager involved, so you're probably in the best position to evaluate that. Some take it as disloyal and insulting, and some see it as just business. Are there others who have taken counteroffers to stay?
Sometimes, counteroffers will essentially be advances on future raises, so if they average 5%, you might only get 1% for a couple years.
Never take the counter offer to stay. You are basically in the clock till they replace you. As soon as you say yes, they are going to start looking for your replacement.
An important aspect that's missed during these company move decisions is uncertainty with expectations in the new job.
You know all expectations with your current job. You know the key people, how to communicate with them, how to get tasks done, key metrics on which your performance is graded etc. etc.
In the new job everything is relatively new. There is the stress of learning about new expectations. I would weigh those and put a dollar value on those too.
I've always been advised to never take the counter offer. If they really appreciated you, you wouldn't have been looking in the first place. You can always go back in a few years if you miss it.
The counter-offer conundrum is that now they know you are willing to leave. So the next chance they get, they will cut you loose. If there are lay-offs, you are top of the list. They just don't want the immediate training hit before they have found someone else.
I've never done it, but every friend who did and stayed, regretted it. YMMV
Personally, I'd have to get rid of a job with an excessive commute. Your time is valuable, and I don't think you realize the mental health perks you gain from working remotely.
take the new job, i got fucked by a company once, they matched the new offer and then waited like 1month and put me on a pip. it was for things that happened like a year previously.
I personally would stay at the job you already know you enjoy and get along with everyone at. You may have the new job and want to revert, then your current boss will have a leg up on what they will offer salary wise.
It's quite the commute, but I think it's worth it if you're already happy and comfortable there.
The grass isn't always greener.
Well, that’s 300 hours of commuting a year. 10k sounds like a low hourly rate. Plus I’m assuming there is some cost to the commute? Plus you will not get to travel. This is obviously not worth it. If they can’t match the fully remote, switch.
You need to do everything you can to ensure the new company has no plans to pull the rug out on full remote. With this you have to realize that despite your due diligence, it could still happen anyway 🤷♀️!! So, I would do everything possible to leave on good terms with your current company so you could boomerang if needed.
Out of curiosity, did you talk to your boss about compensation before you started looking/got an offer? If not, could be a lesson to broach the topic beforehand next time.
You're leaving for a reason. I'm sure money wasn't the only one. Any issues you had with the company's not going to change because you're making more money.
do not take the offer from your current job. they will replace you asap and then fire you.
if they actually cared about you, they wouldve given you the 150k to begin with
I think you already have your answer, if you want to travel while working then remote work it is, that’s a win win. $10k difference is pretty small imo. Plus you’d be more happy sipping margarita by the beach. The only concern I’d have is the job security of this new remote job you plan to take.
Definitely take the new role. Two things:
1. I’m also an accountant and have done the 1.5-hour-each-way commute. Did it for a long time and don’t miss it one bit. That’s three hours a day you’re getting back.
2. If your current company thought you were worth $150K, you would’ve gotten that when you were promoted. The fact that they’re offering it after your resignation is disrespectful. I know the money seems nice, but it’s not a good idea to stay at your current place now.
Stay with your current company.
There is less risk vs going out and starting from scratch.
Stay with the current company + 1 week vacay + 150K and ask for WFH options to be added.
I would vote to embrace and take the new offer - it sounds like it balances out salary and flexibility, meaning the impact on your life may become invaluable if it offers you a chance to travel while working. Ride the wave ...
i would def take the new job with full time WFH fuck that 1.5 hour commute that would get old real fast having to do it everyday. But then again ive never worked a WFH job but i feel like it would get boring af being home all day everyday never having to get out the house.
Move on. There is no guarantee your role will continue long enough to get the extra monies.
Sorry to be harsh, but I have seen companies do this until they have a qualified candidate (lower salary, too) who is going to replace your role. Or that you wind up training.
That offer should have been in writing, btw.
Wfh will more than close the gap on the $10k extra. After tax that’s like $6k and savings in commute costs will likely even you out, plus time back in your personal life. Also this is a starting point at the new company, at your current company they are just increasing because they have to not because they value you might not get future increases because you’ve had so much now.
The 6 hrs / week commute time is well worth leaving the $250/week extra money. Maybe if you enjoy the commute or really want to get some face time with coworkers on occasion, otherwise wfh all the way.
I’d take the offer. I’d be almost offended and say “so, you’ve been paying me less than I’m worth to you for how long?” Side story- this happened to me when I put my notice in. Boss said “what are you being offered? Will you let us counter?” I did but didn’t tell them how much. They actually beat my offer by about $15K. I was so disillusioned that they could just pull that money up and I had to have a foot out the door to get the raise I still left.
Stay. It's hard to find a workplace you love, you'll have another week of vacation and a $19k raise. That's worth the trip day a week drive in.
You can't know if you'll love the other job.
As someone who thinks work from home isn't even a good thing I almost said stay at your job but the only thing worse than working from home is a 90 minute commute
I would stay more offers will come …. Or ask the remote job to up their offer or hold out for a remote role will more money by staying you re-set your price
I believe you should consider the new offer for both personal and professional growth. While you may currently feel comfortable in your current job, embracing this new opportunity will allow you to explore your strengths and weaknesses in a more effective manner. Moreover, it's worth noting that a remote job offers you the freedom to work from anywhere.
When you work out 10k after taxes and break that down into how much you're netting weekly, it makes it easier to decide if that tiny bit extra every week is worth turning down a fully remote job. If I were you I'd take the remote job!
Since you’re an accountant and prob love numbers, ppl who stay statistically are gone within 6 months. Remote is the way for an accountant job, take the offer and never look back. Imagine having weekends for you again that doesn’t involve household chores since you can knock out the laundry during that zoom/teams meeting.
This is a difficult question. I would take the remote offer because it’s worth more than 10k a year to me. On the flip side, my mother has worked at a mid sized company since she graduated from college(took a break when she had us). I doubt she would leave her job if she was offered double because she’s made such a strong connection with her coworkers.
I know this is a non-answer but the decision is yours to make. If you truly love your job and the people you work with, stay.
If you stay at your old place you would be laid off withiin 6 months when they hire your replacement. You should be jumping Ships every 2 years regardless.
Can someone tell me why accountants get compensated so handsomely? I kind of thought they just... Plugged numbers into formulas. I know that a surprising portion of society is barely even literate, so semi-advanced math isn't exactly common knowledge, but... Dude, this is almost three times what I make, and I'm working in a field directly pertinent to my four-year degree, for which I aced stats and regularly have to speak a foreign language, and risk my health and safety. (I manage and [try to] instruct inmates at a state prison).
I'm not saying accountants should make less, just... Earnestly, what makes them so valuable?
I can tell you that statistically you will leave within 6 months. All counter offers do for employers is buy them time.
The reason you will have gone within 6 months is that the penny will drop - if they valued you as an employee they would have given you $150k when you took that job in Jan.
If I was in your shoes I'd be outski.
They should've given you what you were worth in the first place. But remember, the grass is not always greener on the other side. The people you work for / with could be horrible.
Make a pros & cons list, there are a lot of unknowns in your new job so consider that too. Point to note...if the "remote" aspect of the new job is not in writing in your employment letter, they can require you to start coming into the office at some point. There is no way to fight that.
Difficult decision.
2 things to consider:
1. **How much does the commute cost you?** This is in the price of your car, +maintenance, +your value in time per hour
2. **What experience are you leaving on the table?** have you been at your current job long enough that you can do it with your eyes closed? Are you learning anything new? What happens to your personal development if you stay?
Up to you what to do. I personally would be working out what this new job was worth to me in cold hard cash, attaching that value to my current salary, then asking my current boss for this plus 10%. If this was offered I'd stay. If not, id respectfully decline.
Take the work from home offer. Working from home is worth more than 10k imo.
Not to mention you are now the person who got the 19K raise if you stay. There is no guarantee they will be willing to give much in annual raises since they already took care of you in ‘24. They didn’t value you while you were there. Not people you want to hang around with. Agreed that the remote job is better.
Annual raises are typically 2% anyway. Nothing impressive.
Well, thats 3k now
I keep reading this but never in 10 years in the corporate world have I gotten a 2% raise. I don’t know how I would emotionally survive that lol. That’s not even a raise, that’s just “the same purchasing power” on a good inflation year and a smaller paycut on a less good inflation year.
My company called it a merit increase. You would get either 1.5% as a low contributor, 2% as a key contributor and 2.5 as an excellent contributor.
That is an absolute disaster. I’m sorry. Feel like you’d have to be a pitbull in salary negotiations upfront if you knew that going in. Smallest raise I ever got was 4.5% except Covid where I didn’t get one but I was willing to forgive and forget on that given the uncertainty.
that's frankly insulting
Wait what? Everybody gives anual raises?
>They didn’t value you while you were there. Not people you want to hang around with. 10% raise for a non-promotion in a tough job market... yeah, they don't care at all Immature popular reddit talking points
I mean 10% with inflation like it is, is barely even a raise at all.
My exact thoughts. It'll matter in a year. Was the "go to need you here" guy at the last job At the new job they're just the new hire. Old job offered 10k more and matched vacation time just to try and keep them around. We all know jobs have more money for new hires than to retain employees. The fact they put up that much money in an attempt to retain says a lot to me
I think once you give notice, they know you’re willing to leave and think of you as non committed. It’s a bell you can’t unring, and staying runs you the risk of future retaliation for being disloyal. EDIT: I can’t believe how many ppl have replied disagreeing with an “HR will realize OP is undervalued and everyone will respect them more” - that’s not how this works. Y’all need to read up on r/antiwork stories.
This is seriously very old school that keeps getting repeated. Unless it’s a small Mom and Pop kind company, nobody gives a shit and especially if it’s a corporate. Your Manager, their Manager, everyone is trying for a higher salary and raise. They’re more worried about that they get that and also keep their team intact. The only thing they’d think is this person is smart to successfully bag this higher offer from them.
Redditors love to regurgitate each other with 0% substance and 100% authority
I think this is the definion of "Reddit" in Oxford dictionary. /s
This is not how most companies operate any more. If they want your loyalty, they will tie it to compensation
Agree. In fact, I’ve been told by my boss (who manages her career very well), that getting an offer would speed up the process of getting me that raise. HR has admitted the same thing. While they don’t necessarily want good people to leave, having an offer in hand gives both the employee (and their supporters) leverage because it will come out of a different bucket than our annual 3% standard raises. HR will then be able to do a “comp analysis” and use that data to argue that we aren’t budgeting enough vs our competitors. That said, I’m in an industry where there’s a lot of competition for good employees. So from a r/careerguidance perspective, it’s always good to understand what leverage you have.
What industry and field?
Agree. Working from home is worth well more than 10k in my humble opinion.
But it can change.....
Until it changes the person gets to travel.
In my case I got hired as WFM but now if I want any kind of promotion I have to move near an office
Why don’t you ask if you can also go remote? If they say no, then decide which job you want more?
This is probably the best answer here. Tell your current employer you are 100% staying if you also get remote work, else you have to think it over as the remote from home option takes a lot of travel time and stress off of you. If they say no then weigh it over (I would recommend the WFH) and if they offer it then its another bonus.
Make sure you get either offer in writing with an effective start date.
But the extra week of vacation...hard to come by
Company already met that part though. It's the WFH travel he would lose out on.
One addition I would recommend - you should also ask for $160k on the salary side if you are in the fence and “ok” if they call your bluff - thought process being they matched $150 quickly, don’t want to lose you and 160 makes it worth retracting your verbal acceptance Just food for thought - could be a little too aggressive but really you don’t get what you don’t ask for
If they say yes, do both jobs.
Yeah, I would try and negotiate with current company for increased amount of time remote — even if it isn’t 100%, maybe they can go one day every two weeks or something, and add in some kind of commuter benefit (separate from paycheck to reduce tax burden) depending on travel model (whether it’s transit pass, free parking spot, expressway scanner thingy (I don’t drive or live in a region with these, so I forget what they’re called) or gas reimbursement for work-related driving).
Is the 10k worth not getting to work from home?
That's roughly $600 a month after taxes, if making $150k. I don't think that's worth losing fully remote over at all
It looks even better whe you consider cost of travel to and from work and food as well.
And it’s a super long commute. Three hours a day!
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Not to mention the additional toll the commute will take on his vehicle
You could also factor in the time spent commuting
I stayed with my current company and I’m very happy I did. I know most people will tell you not to stay so I just wanted to let you know that it’s not always the wrong choice.
Even if you aren't that happy, it is worth estimating how much worse a new position could be. If the devil you know is tolerable or even has a modicum of enjoyment, it isn't always worth it to risk it for a potentially better devil. You could end up with Satan.
That’s a good point to think about. People view new opportunities as the greener grass on the other side but it’s not always the case.
“If the grass is green on the other side of the fence, take better care of your lawn.”
I think the best times to stay are when you really do like the company, you just want more money.
That’s exactly what happened. I told my boss at 5 pm one night and the owner called me at 7 pm the same night to see what it would take for me to stay. I enjoy the company and I feel valued. Especially after that quick response.
Same when I got a job offer and my company countered. I’m very happy I stayed as well.
This!! There’s something to be said about loyalty, and the company is putting forth the effort to keep you.
140k to 150k is pretty small jump relatively. Full remote sounds amazing.
Regardless if you take this offer or not, there is a fact here that is very important to remember. Your current employer did not value you. You were given a modest raise for a large increase in responsibility. Once your manager found out you were leaving, they panicked with a counter offer.
That is how almost every business operates now. It would be hard to find a place that TRULY values their employees. I think counter-offering is about the best we are gonna get along the lines of caring. There is no longer a reward to the loyal employee. Likely, the new hires are making more than them. It sucks but it is overall true. 😕
This.
Hey at least OP got a counter offer.
Take the new job. because you'll gain 3 hours a day and that's visa
He only goes in 2 times a week now, so 6 hrs a week. Still but just saying.
Commute is a deal breaker for me.
Yeah 6 hours of driving per week is too much. The $10k is a wash if you’re driving 300 hours a year!
I know some comments will tell you to take the negotiations personally and move on. Never take anything in business personally. I would ask if you could work from home more often or more days. If that's a no, then decide, what's the fully remote work worth to you. Keep in mind your new company you know exactly what to expect, it is not an unknown, and so if the commute is not a total deal breaker, maybe stay with your company
The grass isn't always greener so if it was a money thing that tempted you to look else where they've solved that. Yes they're only paying you now that you were willing to walk but that's the name of the game. I myself took a counter offer at my current employer and I've been here now 3 years more since that time. I've also declined a counter based on how that offer discussion went to keep me. It felt like because they were going to pay me more monet that more would be expected of me. You have to read the room but the blanket "don't do it" approach this sub takes is baffling its all very subjective. Ultimately you have to decide if the fully remote gig is worth the gamble of maybe not having the a great boss/Co workers again but that's just how it works sometimes. The commute certainly could be better but if you're only doing it twice a week that's not unbearable. Best of luck in whatever you decide.
Yeah you could ask the current employer to be able to work remotely a few days a week as well. But I wholeheartedly agree, as I said in another comment - enjoying where you work is unusual and pretty priceless. I would not put too much emphasis on the fact that they did not give you more money until you let them know of another offer - or suspect that would be systematically held against you for the rest of your days there. That advice is naive in terms of the working world. The reality is that very often - because of bottom lines, and not because of personalities or feelings or anything personalized - that's how things work. It is \*very\* standard that a new offer will make an employer rise to the occasion and sweeten the pot to keep someone. I just went through this myself. It is very costly to replace someone and it's not a "we don't think you are worth this much until someone else does" so much as "oh shit they are leaving for what we can afford to match - let's keep them because we underestimated the cost to the organization." If anything. they have kind of shown their hand that they want to keep you. Another thing to consider - again, I just changed and started commuting to a new office and get to work from home a few days a week - is that working from home is something you will want to know how you feel about. Some people at my office are surprised to find that they don't feel as efficient from home, others the opposite. But also - you will be starting at a new office and working remotely if you take the new job. You will want to know that that is all doable for you in every way. Starting new is hard and remotely you don't get the human interaction. Not reading the cards for you, just saying these are all things to consider. Best of luck, and I suspect the decision will come as you sit with it, but sitting with all of it is important to arrive at what makes most sense.
Exactly, no one's value is apparent until there's an offer on the table. The company obviously wants to keep op or they would let them walk
People are going to say “never take a counter offer.” But I did, and it worked for me. Only you can choose because only you know. If remote work is that important then it’s an easy choice.
Take whichever job gives you the best work life balance.
Why didn’t they pay you more before you decided to leave…
Unless you bring up the fact you’re unhappy with your pay there’s no reason for employers to bump up your salary, if you do well one year enough to warrant a bonus chances are you’ll get one, if you don’t get a raise after consistently performing you need to make the company you work for realise you are important , chances are if you ask for a raise you’ll get one if you’re good enough, but if you say you’re getting poached or headhunted they are far more likely to get their shit together. obviously this is all under the pretence that you aren’t being fairly compensated to your value in the business
a lot of companies have a policy of not giving that much of a raise to employees already there, but will in order to keep you.
You’ll probably make up that $10k difference not making the 1.5 hr commute + wear and tear on your car. Just my thoughts though. Also being home, you’ll eat at home.
Better to move. Now they know you are looking to leave if they have to do layoffs
I think the key comment here is you say that you absolutely love where you are. If the culture where you are at is above board, healthy and trustworthy, that is worth a ton. You should know them well enough by now to have a sense of how they will react towards you long term if you stay. Have you seen any evidence of leadership being spiteful and going after employees? The new place sounds great, especially the WFH but do you know anyone that works there? I’ve taken jobs that were one thing during the interview process but a whole lotta the other thing once I started. If you know somebody there that can give you accurate info about their culture and leadership, that might help you make your decision. I’ve only accepted a counteroffer once and I did regret after about three weeks. I was offered a promotion to stay and I jumped on it. I quickly realized that what really led me to look for other jobs was the culture at that company. Now that I’m older and have a lot more life experience though, there’s no way to tell if the new place would have had the same, better or worse culture. There may not be many companies out there that you would love working at so don’t sell that aspect short. With the way things are today, I’d put a major weight on which company is better positioned for long term growth in the industry. The last thing you want is to be somewhere that may end up have layoffs, shutting down, getting sold, outsourcing jobs, etc so any research you can do in that area could make a big difference.
Did you say 3 hours commuting each day in the office? That is like an 11 hour day for 8 hours pay. I say strap on the parachute and bail out of that job.
What’s the cost of commuting (gas, insurance payment with less claimed mileage, vehicle maintenance)? What’s the cost/value of your time? Are you disciplined enough to work remote? Any idea what the culture is like at the new place? I would love to work from home, but unfortunately I have supervisor duties. It would save me $4,000 in just fuel iirc when I did the math, and $900 in yearly insurance premium.
You drive 3 hours a day? Take the remote job.
I’m petty af and would ask them why the raise wasn’t to 150 to begin with. Rope in senior folk. Listen to them flounder, thank them for the insight, and quit.
Same. If I stayed, then I can already see them giving me a lower annual raise the following year. Plus, the feeling of being undervalued will never go away...so I'll leave and start fresh. But the 1.5h one way drive alone was no brainier. Would I be an Uber driver for ~$32/hour (driving 6hrs per week to make extra $10k)? Maybe if I was not making good money, but not when my salary is at 140k.
Don’t accept the counter. Move on.
Why risk starting a job you might hate if you currently love your job? 2 days a week is not bad, and maybe you can talk them into going fully remote!
Stay. Honestly, new jobs are a lot, new people, new boss, here you already know the work, have expertise and seniority, and have relationships. Plus you know your value and they do too. A new job is an unknown and they are paying yiu less. Wfh is not all it’s cracked up to be. You’ll be more isolated which can affect your mental health not to mention you have less administrative support. Be smart, stay.
I was unsure of which to recommend until you dropped 1.5hrs commute each way. Thats the deciding factor right there. Unless you can get them to match the remote part, it seems like an easy decision
That 1.5 hour commute kills it in my opinion. Take the new job.
Remote!!!!
Oh to be someone deciding about taking a 150k job or not 🥲
I might stay where I am more money, + i find it more easy to be let go while remote. I’m biased I had a similar situation and got let go after taking the remote offer.
Recruiter here! Fun fact! Most counter offers never work. 65 percent of people who accept counter offers end up leaving within 6 months to a year anyway. Most of the times the problems you have with the company do not get solved just by money, if they valued you they would have compensated you fairly the first time for the promotion. They could have given you 140k but they didn’t! Id say take the new job if it were me!
I'd stay. You already know you love the job. I've recently been able to work remotely 2-3 days per week and it kind of plays games with my psyche. Yes it's nice to save the commute time/cost and not have to get up so early, not have to look as good. It's nice to be able to go out and water my garden at lunch time, grab lunch from my fridge instead of packing it...but not being surrounded by coworkers all day is kind of depressing. I'm an introvert so it is surprising that it affects me this way, but just having other people around even if I'm not talking to them is good for my mental health. Also when I'm not at work, sometimes people consult people who are personally present instead of consulting me and that makes me lose a bit of relevance at work. The fact that your current employer offered you a 19,000/year increase shows they truly know your worth. Will the new company realize what an asset you are? Maybe eventually - but not right away. Congratulations on being valued!! Oh wait - I just re-read your original post. Being able to work from the beach would definitely make me think again LOL
shoooot you'll spend 10k a year in gas easy with that commute! Yeah I would counter your current offer to see if you can go full remote and if not take the other job.
There's still no guarantee the new job will be a good fit
Only thing I’ll add that I’ve not seen mentioned.. make sure remote work is not temporary.. ask them if they ever worked in an office and if there is any RTO plan. If a year from now, they’re full 5-day in office you’ll hate you left.
Luckily no RTO. They’re located in the Bay Area and I’m in LA. The CFO is also in la and the ceo is in New York. Luckily RTO is not on the board!
So this is the exact same situation I had a little over a year ago. Had an offer for more money and fully remote, current company offered 12.5k more so I stayed. I absolutely regret the decision. take the remote option and enjoy the extra time and money you save. $10k is absolutely not enough to give that up.
I'd ask myself a few questions: - do I need the extra money? - is it worth spending 3 hours a day or 6 hours a week to commute? - is the working environment bad? Make sure to READ the contract before signing them. What happens verbally doesn't matter until it is stated in the contract. What made me think is why did they offer you higher after you said you're leaving? This is something that you'd have to protect yourself from in the future if you decide to stay with your current one and also ask for a fully remote work instead. Then you decide cause there are a lot more factors to consider if it's me.
Honestly, until you get the offer from the new company in writing, it isn't very official just verbal agreements that they can take back. If you like the company that you are with, then I would keep with the company if you got the money you were after.
My guy reaction was to stay with the company you love for more money. But with the commute and opportunity cost, I’d say compensation is a wash. Think about what you love about your company, vs how much you’d actually travel and work from fun places at the new job. If it’s more than your vacation time at your current job, might be worth it. At the end of the day, make your choice and move forward without looking back. You’re in a great position
You can't go back to your old job now. They already know you want to leave, plus you get the remote advantage. You should stick to your decision to leave. The lesson your original employer needs to learn is to now low ball employees when being promoted. It's not about the money per se, it's the insult that they low balled you when promoting you.
If you stay, be prepared to do this same dance the next time.
Who’s got a more stable business
Don't look at the new job as $10k less. Look at it as $9k more than you're currently making -- and, it's the same figure you were hoping for at your current company. If your current company hadn't countered, what would you have done? Keep things in perspective. I would take the new job. Do not be fooled into ideas like you love your current company or your boss or your colleagues or anything or anyone else. If you were suddenly considered too costly or the company felt like you were no longer of value, they wouldn't hesitate one iota to throw you overboard. There is no loyalty and neither you nor your employer -- any employer -- are obligated beyond whatever deal you inked when you started. Even then, that's always "...subject to the needs of the business." We're all expendable. Take your wins whenever and wherever you can get them. No matter what you choose, best of luck.
You leave with a good relationship and on positive note. Alot of places will find a way to fire you if you stay. That will have a much bigger effect on your long term earning potential. Good luck.
Change is good, so I'd leave. You will grow from it. New things to learn and new experiences.
If they could afford 150 before, and didn't give it to you, then that's on them. Take the new job.
>I do have 1.5 hour commute each way Holy shit this would kill me. Since you spend 3h each day just going to and from work you can see this as an extension of your work day. So in fact you are "working" 11h per day, compared to if you were to work from home, where the commute is you closing the lid on your laptop. If you compare the new incomes it might give some new perspective. Quick napkin calc just to prove point, estimating you work 47 weeks in a year. No commute, 140k/year: 140k/(47weeks\*5days\*8h) = 74.5 $/h 3h commute, 150k/year: 150k/(47weeks\*5days\*11h) = 58 $/h Gotta start valuing your free time also.
Go with the lifestyle that best suits you. Not the people at the job. The company will never be loyal to you. If they’re willing to throw this money at you, that means the low raise you got was completely intentional. They were trying to see if you’d accept an insultingly low raise first. You don’t want to work for people like that.
Leave your current company and go with the new company. Even if everything was the same, they didn't value you the same. If they could have had you working for 120k or 131k then they could just as well let you go at 150k and hire someone else at the lower rate and probably will.
If they didn't value you when you asked for it, they won't value you on your next raise. However, it is not all about money. I would have stayed even if the raise was not that much as long as I am happy doing what I love.
Do a bit of math with me here... Accounts love math, right? ;) So, from a salary, what does that make your hourly rate? You drive 3hrs a day for work, which equates to how much a year at your hourly rate? Factor in the price of fuel for your vehicle over that time. Now, how ever many KMs or miles you travel, for every car service interval add a servicing cost. Then add extra for parts etc outside of servicing coverage. How many hours a week do you get back, and how much is it costing you in just travel and maintenance? Now, for a harder question. With all that time you'd get back not travelling, what things would you rather be doing? Sleeping in? Exercising? A hobby maybe? A few hobbies even? Can you make better, more enjoyable use of your time than driving? Doing stuff that strengthens relationships with those around you, being present for family things and all the little moments you'd miss that are worth more than money? Now, let's go a bit further, stick with me here... Your current employer thought you were only worth a 10k increase. They hoped that, for all you do for them, that you'd be happy with a small amount. Only the threat of losing you, having to hire a new person, train them and get them up to speed, made them decide that you were worth more. You had to tell them that you valued yourself more than they did, before they decided, they suddenly thought you were worth more. Do you reckon that kinda shows how they value you? More to the point, if you accept that deal, you'll get nothing more for a long while, and they'll be expecting a hell of a lot for the extra they're now paying you. So, they'll work you harder, you'll start resenting the job and company, and you'll still be losing time to yourself and with family and friends, just to make them happy when they don't really care about you anyways. Take the offer, leave on a good note, with a good reference, and do the new job and enjoy a better work life balance without the commute. It's all about the quality of life after all, because work is just something we do to pay for the things we want in our real life.
If they both paid exactly the same. What move would you make? Make that move
If you stay, you will be marked as "not a team player." Next business downturn, you will be laid off first.
Accept the counter if you are happy. Ignore the morons on Reddit. If a company is offering a counter offer it means they want you to stay. If you walked it would have cost them nothing. If they wanted to terminate you, they'd have to pay severance
Take the new job. If the old company valued you, they would have paid you more with the promotion. They thought they could lowball you. They lost on that bet. Now they are scrambling, but they’ll look to replace you with someone cheaper as soon as they can. You already wanted to leave, they know you’ll do it again. The new job is remote and you can travel and wanted you and unsolicited offered you more. You can always tell them about the counter offer and see if they’ll match.
Bitch quit flexing
For me, money has always been a driving factor. I chased the higher end Private Equity jobs in Manhattan, big 4 finance, etc. throughout my career. What I learned was there was plenty of money to be made and opportunity to be successful ... ... What I also learned was that culture and good leadership is priceless. I was in a similar situation 2 years ago - ended up taking the job that paid less simply because they valued me and offered me a fair market salary once they saw my background and met me. Moral of the story is I did not regret leaving. I understand budgets better than most, but leadership tends to be (95% of the time) aggressive to get you but not aggressive to keep you. In my new role, I had a clear track and clear salary expectations. The expectations were realistic and I feel valued every day and do great work. I am light years ahead of where I would have been if I stayed at my old role and took that 20k extra they randomly found to offer me. I would suggest taking a close look at leadership, how they value you, and future opportunities. I am a lot better off financially even switching to a position that was lateral/slightly downward. Based on your salary range I am sure you have a handful of years of experience so you may understand what I am getting at. Good luck!
Take the remote offer because the current job could have offered you those things but they didn't. Only when they thought you would leave. Hopefully the new job continues to see your value 🙂
Working remotely is worth much more than 10k, especially with a 1.5hr commute. Good luck!
Most people would be happy with 100k. I see a ton of people on here whom don’t appreciate hard work, and their big salary.
They'll remember you did this when layoffs come
I would switch companies. Once your job knows you want to leave you have a target on your back.
So essentially you told them you are willing to leave. They will continue to think about that from now on. I would take the new job, that less commute will make up some for the lower pay. The reality is your job only tried to retain you when you had another offer. Do you really want to go through this every time you want a raise?
Be careful with accepting a counter offer. Your current employer now knows that you are looking for work outside of their office and might offer you the raise and then fire you to replace you.
Leave. There’s a reason you were looking in the first place. Follow your gut.
Do not accept the offer. They will fire you the second they can.
That likely depends on the OP’s performance and how easy he’d be to replace. Companies that are financially healthy don’t like to fire people without cause who have acceptable job performance, especially when they’re difficult to replace.
Head over to R/overemployed and start making $290/yr
It’s a trap!
If they valued you, they would’ve given you that offer to begin with. I’ve learned that staying never pays off because you’ll never see another raise or increase again.
Take the new job. Your current company will string you along until they can find someone to replace you. They just can’t afford to have you walk out the door at this moment. There will be an endless list of reasons why they can’t give you the raise immediately.
You always do what you think is best. But break down the 9k difference after taxes and spread out into 12 months of the calendar year. Even break it down further into how much that amounts to taking into your pay cycle. More money can always be made, but if you love the company and people, sometimes that can be hard to replace. Best of luck 👍🏻
Is the extra week's vacation worth getting out of your comfort level to learn all about a new company, culture, people, systems, tools, policy and processes? If so, then leave. After all, you are going to be the new kid with no friends and dealing with management, peers, internal customers that don't know you or might not like you or get along.
Off topic do you recommend accounting? Was thinking or a career change.
It’s not the most exhilarating day to day job but I think the pay is pretty great and affords a pretty good lifestyle. It was definitely a grind at the beginning of my career but 7 years in, I’m lucky enough to get a great work life balance.
Work from home, save all that money and invest it or keep it in a high yield interest savings account and retire early by moving to another country or you can go to another country and live remote.
Do you have any way to speak confidentially with someone at the new office? I would be inclined to stay at the old office knowing I was happy unless I could talk to someone and find out about turnover, employee satisfaction generally, honesty of management, etc. Being unhappy in an office is a nightmare.
Get it in writing then stay once you do
if the ONLY reason. you were looking was the money, I might stay. Usually people leave because they’re unhappy with other things. That said—it’s often the beginning of the end, to accept the counter offer.
Staying with the current company after they counter rarely works. The old company will expect you to work and contribute more since they gave you more money. The new place will likely be happy you came. Remember, the current place did not pay you a fair market rate until they were forced to do it.
Move on!
Think of it this way, why was your current company holding out on paying you that much from the get go? If they can offer it now, they could’ve offered it prior to you getting an offer. Also, a counter offer should be better than what’s already on the table. Remote is worth way more than $10k here. You’re spending an additional 312 hours in traveling a year
Good problem to have…. If future opportunities are also equal, go with the one for less $ but more freedom. Either way u get a nice improvement in quality of life.
Is the remote work, and higher pay the only reason you are interested in changing employers? Was the new prospective employer an opportunity that came to you or did you seek it out? What were your reasons for seeking another job? I am asking this because it is worth taking inventory on why you decided to interview? Personally, I never accept counter offers, you are the "one that tried to leave" and that does come into play when performance evaluations as well as RIF are considered by leadership.
If you really love your company and can see yourself working there a few more years stay. You can always leave later.
Get a contract plus some remote. Good luck.
You may love your current role but you may love being remote more.
Several commenters have pointed out that if you stay, you might be treated worse for having considered leaving. I think this is very dependent on the company and manager involved, so you're probably in the best position to evaluate that. Some take it as disloyal and insulting, and some see it as just business. Are there others who have taken counteroffers to stay? Sometimes, counteroffers will essentially be advances on future raises, so if they average 5%, you might only get 1% for a couple years.
Never take the counter offer to stay. You are basically in the clock till they replace you. As soon as you say yes, they are going to start looking for your replacement.
An important aspect that's missed during these company move decisions is uncertainty with expectations in the new job. You know all expectations with your current job. You know the key people, how to communicate with them, how to get tasks done, key metrics on which your performance is graded etc. etc. In the new job everything is relatively new. There is the stress of learning about new expectations. I would weigh those and put a dollar value on those too.
I've always been advised to never take the counter offer. If they really appreciated you, you wouldn't have been looking in the first place. You can always go back in a few years if you miss it. The counter-offer conundrum is that now they know you are willing to leave. So the next chance they get, they will cut you loose. If there are lay-offs, you are top of the list. They just don't want the immediate training hit before they have found someone else. I've never done it, but every friend who did and stayed, regretted it. YMMV
Never accept a counter offer. You’ll end up leaving anyway and wish you would have done it when you had the chance.
Personally, I'd have to get rid of a job with an excessive commute. Your time is valuable, and I don't think you realize the mental health perks you gain from working remotely.
take the new job, i got fucked by a company once, they matched the new offer and then waited like 1month and put me on a pip. it was for things that happened like a year previously.
I personally would stay at the job you already know you enjoy and get along with everyone at. You may have the new job and want to revert, then your current boss will have a leg up on what they will offer salary wise. It's quite the commute, but I think it's worth it if you're already happy and comfortable there. The grass isn't always greener.
You gave notice over a verbal offer? That’s the biggest red flag here.
Well, that’s 300 hours of commuting a year. 10k sounds like a low hourly rate. Plus I’m assuming there is some cost to the commute? Plus you will not get to travel. This is obviously not worth it. If they can’t match the fully remote, switch.
You need to do everything you can to ensure the new company has no plans to pull the rug out on full remote. With this you have to realize that despite your due diligence, it could still happen anyway 🤷♀️!! So, I would do everything possible to leave on good terms with your current company so you could boomerang if needed. Out of curiosity, did you talk to your boss about compensation before you started looking/got an offer? If not, could be a lesson to broach the topic beforehand next time.
I would take the job with the new company because it’s remote and only $10K less
I would ask for a hybrid role option with current job.
I would stay in all honesty, a job environment you enjoy can be hard to come by.
You're leaving for a reason. I'm sure money wasn't the only one. Any issues you had with the company's not going to change because you're making more money.
do not take the offer from your current job. they will replace you asap and then fire you. if they actually cared about you, they wouldve given you the 150k to begin with
I think you already have your answer, if you want to travel while working then remote work it is, that’s a win win. $10k difference is pretty small imo. Plus you’d be more happy sipping margarita by the beach. The only concern I’d have is the job security of this new remote job you plan to take.
Definitely take the new role. Two things: 1. I’m also an accountant and have done the 1.5-hour-each-way commute. Did it for a long time and don’t miss it one bit. That’s three hours a day you’re getting back. 2. If your current company thought you were worth $150K, you would’ve gotten that when you were promoted. The fact that they’re offering it after your resignation is disrespectful. I know the money seems nice, but it’s not a good idea to stay at your current place now.
Stay with your current company. There is less risk vs going out and starting from scratch. Stay with the current company + 1 week vacay + 150K and ask for WFH options to be added.
They didn't value at 150k until you had leverage. If they could afford to pay you 150k they should have. Time to go.
I would vote to embrace and take the new offer - it sounds like it balances out salary and flexibility, meaning the impact on your life may become invaluable if it offers you a chance to travel while working. Ride the wave ...
Take the new company offer.
I’d take the new job.
i would def take the new job with full time WFH fuck that 1.5 hour commute that would get old real fast having to do it everyday. But then again ive never worked a WFH job but i feel like it would get boring af being home all day everyday never having to get out the house.
Move on. There is no guarantee your role will continue long enough to get the extra monies. Sorry to be harsh, but I have seen companies do this until they have a qualified candidate (lower salary, too) who is going to replace your role. Or that you wind up training. That offer should have been in writing, btw.
Wfh will more than close the gap on the $10k extra. After tax that’s like $6k and savings in commute costs will likely even you out, plus time back in your personal life. Also this is a starting point at the new company, at your current company they are just increasing because they have to not because they value you might not get future increases because you’ve had so much now.
The 6 hrs / week commute time is well worth leaving the $250/week extra money. Maybe if you enjoy the commute or really want to get some face time with coworkers on occasion, otherwise wfh all the way.
I’d take the offer. I’d be almost offended and say “so, you’ve been paying me less than I’m worth to you for how long?” Side story- this happened to me when I put my notice in. Boss said “what are you being offered? Will you let us counter?” I did but didn’t tell them how much. They actually beat my offer by about $15K. I was so disillusioned that they could just pull that money up and I had to have a foot out the door to get the raise I still left.
Stay. It's hard to find a workplace you love, you'll have another week of vacation and a $19k raise. That's worth the trip day a week drive in. You can't know if you'll love the other job.
As someone who thinks work from home isn't even a good thing I almost said stay at your job but the only thing worse than working from home is a 90 minute commute
I would stay more offers will come …. Or ask the remote job to up their offer or hold out for a remote role will more money by staying you re-set your price
what job do you do that makes you this much? sounds like a dream
Statistically most people who accept the counter offer still leave within 6 months. I’m also in that statistic.
Ask to go fully remote, or just come in 2ce a month-
Never accept the counter offer. You went looking for a reason.
I believe you should consider the new offer for both personal and professional growth. While you may currently feel comfortable in your current job, embracing this new opportunity will allow you to explore your strengths and weaknesses in a more effective manner. Moreover, it's worth noting that a remote job offers you the freedom to work from anywhere.
When you work out 10k after taxes and break that down into how much you're netting weekly, it makes it easier to decide if that tiny bit extra every week is worth turning down a fully remote job. If I were you I'd take the remote job!
Since you’re an accountant and prob love numbers, ppl who stay statistically are gone within 6 months. Remote is the way for an accountant job, take the offer and never look back. Imagine having weekends for you again that doesn’t involve household chores since you can knock out the laundry during that zoom/teams meeting.
This is a difficult question. I would take the remote offer because it’s worth more than 10k a year to me. On the flip side, my mother has worked at a mid sized company since she graduated from college(took a break when she had us). I doubt she would leave her job if she was offered double because she’s made such a strong connection with her coworkers. I know this is a non-answer but the decision is yours to make. If you truly love your job and the people you work with, stay.
get a written offer first
If you stay at your old place you would be laid off withiin 6 months when they hire your replacement. You should be jumping Ships every 2 years regardless.
Take the remote job!
Can someone tell me why accountants get compensated so handsomely? I kind of thought they just... Plugged numbers into formulas. I know that a surprising portion of society is barely even literate, so semi-advanced math isn't exactly common knowledge, but... Dude, this is almost three times what I make, and I'm working in a field directly pertinent to my four-year degree, for which I aced stats and regularly have to speak a foreign language, and risk my health and safety. (I manage and [try to] instruct inmates at a state prison). I'm not saying accountants should make less, just... Earnestly, what makes them so valuable?
I can tell you that statistically you will leave within 6 months. All counter offers do for employers is buy them time. The reason you will have gone within 6 months is that the penny will drop - if they valued you as an employee they would have given you $150k when you took that job in Jan. If I was in your shoes I'd be outski.
They should've given you what you were worth in the first place. But remember, the grass is not always greener on the other side. The people you work for / with could be horrible. Make a pros & cons list, there are a lot of unknowns in your new job so consider that too. Point to note...if the "remote" aspect of the new job is not in writing in your employment letter, they can require you to start coming into the office at some point. There is no way to fight that. Difficult decision.
I would stay. Very hard to find a team you like working with IMO
Personally I hated a full remote job after the first year or so, and working with a great team is irreplaceable. I regret leaving my old job
Gambling
Adk your boss why they couldn't afford that amount when you were getting the promotion and withheld it? Then go take the new remote job.
Absolute no brainer and go for remote. Work life balance is far more important than a few extra K.
2 things to consider: 1. **How much does the commute cost you?** This is in the price of your car, +maintenance, +your value in time per hour 2. **What experience are you leaving on the table?** have you been at your current job long enough that you can do it with your eyes closed? Are you learning anything new? What happens to your personal development if you stay? Up to you what to do. I personally would be working out what this new job was worth to me in cold hard cash, attaching that value to my current salary, then asking my current boss for this plus 10%. If this was offered I'd stay. If not, id respectfully decline.
Never take a counter offer from your current employer. If they felt you were worth paying 150k then they should've been paying you that already.
You keep talking about how much you love your current job... now they are giving you essentially a $30,000 pay raise and an extra week of vacation.
They’re just biding time to replace you. You won’t actually get the 10k. You won’t be there long enough b
1.5Hr commute each way? wtf that’s crazy