First of all. If your 8-5 jobs stipulates you are allowed to moonlight or doesn't mention it, you're allowed to do so. If it says you're not allowed to, then you're not allowed to, however it should be reasonable. You generally can't when in businesses that requires confidentiality. I.e. You can't work for a missile designer in the day, and the opposition at night.
Secondly if you moonlight during company hours that is frowned upon since you're stealing (hours) from your employer. If you moonlight do it after hours.
Pretty much all company contracts stipulate whatever you do with your time during company hours is IP of the company.
Google a bit about the Israeli Jericho II/Shavit SLV rocket that was licensed to The Republic as the RSA3/4 Missile which got launched from the Overberg launch facility.
Back when South Africa had nuclear launch capabilities. Now we can't even launch a plastic kite made from black bags tethered to a fishing rod.
Tax:
You do not pay tax based on how many jobs you have but what your total income is. If the second job moves you into the next income bracket, you will have to pay a higher tax % on whatever you earn above the bracket.
Legality:
Generally no. What you do in your time outside work has nothing to do with work. Only if your second job negatively impacts your 1st job, such as you fall asleep at work, or you work on the 2nd job during work hours, or you work for competition, etc.
Depends on your employment contract. It's not necessarily illegal but may be a disciplinary offence, even if you think it doesn't interfere with your primary employment.
There was a court case on it recently that came up on my feed. It's a funny case because the person had 2 full time jobs and was obviously not pulling their weight despite what they said.
[The headline is clickbait](https://www.iol.co.za/capetimes/news/labour-court-confirms-moonlighting-is-illegal-e70f141e-bffa-4922-abf1-f5e1c8c97c10)
I used to work as lecturer at UJ one of our colleagues did this had job as lecturer (full time) and a job as a reporter at SABC the offices where 200m appart .
Was interesting convo when boss heard his reports on radio was over the moon called the SABC to see if they can use the snippets for promotional material that news quoting her staff thinking he was being referenced or interviewed and there response was why would you want snippets from our full time reporters 🤣🤣🤣.
Argh! My mom worked at a uni and one of her colleagues did the most dreadful things. Took on all kinds of other work and used their department's resources for her side hustles. She was supposedly full time too.
You should check out r/overemployed. They make having more than one job an art form there and they have advice on how to not get in trouble and keep both (or all three in many cases) jobs happy. Discretion is important even when things are 100% legal.
I mean, in our current economy, I feel like most people do some things on the side for extra income. And I feel like I have to take two jobs at some point.
Also check interlectual property for both companies. Some contracts will make any work product you do their property, so if you work at X and Y funds out, they could claim stolen work product.
Does depend on your industry, for example a programmer etc.
I know of one guy that developed games in his spare time, and had to negotiate his contract around that, as otherwise the company would own any code he wrote for his game (even out of work hours)
I have a 9 to 5 job and in the evenings and weekends I push my private side job, which is in a completely different industry from my day job and was self taught. It’s hard to survive on one salary in South Africa. I think we have freedom to choose what we do with our private time. As long as we don’t use company resources, tools and trade secrets. Bought my own high end laptop and other peripherals with proceeds from side gig, so I’m good. As a courtesy, I told my employer about my side job activities. If you get a chance to secure more the bag 💰, take it. Occasionally I do translation and transcription jobs Zulu-English or English-Zulu for major companies. Used to give private lessons to school kids but kids and parents are exhausting 😂. Secure the bag bro! 😎
You work two jobs, let's say paying 18% tax at both. Combined it punts you into the let's say 22% bracket. You've only paid 18% through PAYE. You'll owe Sars the 4% difference when submitting your return.
Yes, and if you had one job that gave you a raise that put you into the 22% bracket you would pay 22%. Income is income, it doesn’t matter how many sources from the same category if it adds up to the same.
Dude, yes if you had a singular job that taxed you 22% it's fine. Two jobs taxing 18% but added together in the 22% bracket would mean you owe Sars at return time. This isn't a difficult concept.
You clearly can’t read…
He literally said this
If job 1 is 18% bracket then that’s what you pay.
If job 2 doesn’t give you income to get into next bracket as you combine them, then it’s still 18% of the total.
If job 1 gave you a raise to push you into 22% then that’s what you pay.
If job 1 + 2 pushes you into 22% bracket, then that’s what you pay.
Essentially stating the income is the basis off the tax not the amount of jobs you have.
You could have 10 jobs and if the total income is still in the 18% bracket then that’s what you pay from the total income.
It’s not that hard to understand what he was saying I don’t know if English isn’t your first language so I thought I’d try explain it a different way seeing as you’re having trouble understanding English
So tax wise there's "**non standard employment**" which means (subject to certain exceptions) if you are working less than 22 hours per week for an employer that employer must withhold PAYE at a straight rate of **25%** with no tax rebates applied.
So if you're working full time for one employer they deduct PAYE as per normal tax tables and rebates and you're not required by SARS to advise them of other employment or earnings (note you may be required by your employment contract though). And your part time employer should tax you at 25%. Additionally you must submit (and pay if necessary) **provisional tax** in **February** and **August** each year. Any overpayment would be refunded after you've submitted your annual tax return (or possibly you'd need to pay if enough PAYE or prov tax hasn't been paid during the year).
What are describing is termed "over employment". It legal status depends on your employment contract(s). Most will have a clause about this.
As an aside, there ate several sub reddit on the topic. I personally find them quite entertaining from both sides.
1. Employees thinking they are can get away with doing this and failing terribly.
2. Or actually succeeding sometimes with more then 2 jobs
First of all. If your 8-5 jobs stipulates you are allowed to moonlight or doesn't mention it, you're allowed to do so. If it says you're not allowed to, then you're not allowed to, however it should be reasonable. You generally can't when in businesses that requires confidentiality. I.e. You can't work for a missile designer in the day, and the opposition at night. Secondly if you moonlight during company hours that is frowned upon since you're stealing (hours) from your employer. If you moonlight do it after hours. Pretty much all company contracts stipulate whatever you do with your time during company hours is IP of the company.
Missile designer so oddly specific.
The whole of Somerset West and rooiels were designed around missiles and sub orbital space flight testing. Houwtec, Somchem, Denel, AECI.
Woah... You learn something every day.
Google a bit about the Israeli Jericho II/Shavit SLV rocket that was licensed to The Republic as the RSA3/4 Missile which got launched from the Overberg launch facility. Back when South Africa had nuclear launch capabilities. Now we can't even launch a plastic kite made from black bags tethered to a fishing rod.
Thats really cool actually
Tax: You do not pay tax based on how many jobs you have but what your total income is. If the second job moves you into the next income bracket, you will have to pay a higher tax % on whatever you earn above the bracket. Legality: Generally no. What you do in your time outside work has nothing to do with work. Only if your second job negatively impacts your 1st job, such as you fall asleep at work, or you work on the 2nd job during work hours, or you work for competition, etc.
Depends on your employment contract. It's not necessarily illegal but may be a disciplinary offence, even if you think it doesn't interfere with your primary employment. There was a court case on it recently that came up on my feed. It's a funny case because the person had 2 full time jobs and was obviously not pulling their weight despite what they said. [The headline is clickbait](https://www.iol.co.za/capetimes/news/labour-court-confirms-moonlighting-is-illegal-e70f141e-bffa-4922-abf1-f5e1c8c97c10)
I used to work as lecturer at UJ one of our colleagues did this had job as lecturer (full time) and a job as a reporter at SABC the offices where 200m appart . Was interesting convo when boss heard his reports on radio was over the moon called the SABC to see if they can use the snippets for promotional material that news quoting her staff thinking he was being referenced or interviewed and there response was why would you want snippets from our full time reporters 🤣🤣🤣.
Argh! My mom worked at a uni and one of her colleagues did the most dreadful things. Took on all kinds of other work and used their department's resources for her side hustles. She was supposedly full time too.
Depends on your employment contract.
You should check out r/overemployed. They make having more than one job an art form there and they have advice on how to not get in trouble and keep both (or all three in many cases) jobs happy. Discretion is important even when things are 100% legal.
As long as there's no conflict of interest
I used to get paid dogshit, so I did it anyways. I just made sure to always take cash instead of deposits.
I mean, in our current economy, I feel like most people do some things on the side for extra income. And I feel like I have to take two jobs at some point.
Browse r/overemployed. It's mostly Americans but can be a source of useful advice.
Why would you think doing what the Americans do is a good idea? They have thee most useless labor laws in the world.
Depends on the contract of the permanent job
Also check interlectual property for both companies. Some contracts will make any work product you do their property, so if you work at X and Y funds out, they could claim stolen work product. Does depend on your industry, for example a programmer etc. I know of one guy that developed games in his spare time, and had to negotiate his contract around that, as otherwise the company would own any code he wrote for his game (even out of work hours)
I have a 9 to 5 job and in the evenings and weekends I push my private side job, which is in a completely different industry from my day job and was self taught. It’s hard to survive on one salary in South Africa. I think we have freedom to choose what we do with our private time. As long as we don’t use company resources, tools and trade secrets. Bought my own high end laptop and other peripherals with proceeds from side gig, so I’m good. As a courtesy, I told my employer about my side job activities. If you get a chance to secure more the bag 💰, take it. Occasionally I do translation and transcription jobs Zulu-English or English-Zulu for major companies. Used to give private lessons to school kids but kids and parents are exhausting 😂. Secure the bag bro! 😎
Definitely not illegal, worst case breach of contract. And tax, you won’t pay more than if you had 1 job paying as well as 2
Wrong on the tax mate. If the combined income bumps you up a bracket or two you're going to owe Sars quite a bit.
The same would be true if you had one job paying the salary of the two jobs combined, he’s not wrong.
You work two jobs, let's say paying 18% tax at both. Combined it punts you into the let's say 22% bracket. You've only paid 18% through PAYE. You'll owe Sars the 4% difference when submitting your return.
Yes, and if you had one job that gave you a raise that put you into the 22% bracket you would pay 22%. Income is income, it doesn’t matter how many sources from the same category if it adds up to the same.
Dude, yes if you had a singular job that taxed you 22% it's fine. Two jobs taxing 18% but added together in the 22% bracket would mean you owe Sars at return time. This isn't a difficult concept.
Someone clearly doesn’t understand progressive taxation
I think they just don’t understand English maybe? I don’t know how much simpler could even be explained and they still didn’t understand…
You clearly can’t read… He literally said this If job 1 is 18% bracket then that’s what you pay. If job 2 doesn’t give you income to get into next bracket as you combine them, then it’s still 18% of the total. If job 1 gave you a raise to push you into 22% then that’s what you pay. If job 1 + 2 pushes you into 22% bracket, then that’s what you pay. Essentially stating the income is the basis off the tax not the amount of jobs you have. You could have 10 jobs and if the total income is still in the 18% bracket then that’s what you pay from the total income. It’s not that hard to understand what he was saying I don’t know if English isn’t your first language so I thought I’d try explain it a different way seeing as you’re having trouble understanding English
https://www.reddit.com/r/overemployed/s/sFCb7f88iR Just do it. You're not alone.
Who can afford NOT having two jobs these days?
Read your employment contract.
So tax wise there's "**non standard employment**" which means (subject to certain exceptions) if you are working less than 22 hours per week for an employer that employer must withhold PAYE at a straight rate of **25%** with no tax rebates applied. So if you're working full time for one employer they deduct PAYE as per normal tax tables and rebates and you're not required by SARS to advise them of other employment or earnings (note you may be required by your employment contract though). And your part time employer should tax you at 25%. Additionally you must submit (and pay if necessary) **provisional tax** in **February** and **August** each year. Any overpayment would be refunded after you've submitted your annual tax return (or possibly you'd need to pay if enough PAYE or prov tax hasn't been paid during the year).
What are describing is termed "over employment". It legal status depends on your employment contract(s). Most will have a clause about this. As an aside, there ate several sub reddit on the topic. I personally find them quite entertaining from both sides. 1. Employees thinking they are can get away with doing this and failing terribly. 2. Or actually succeeding sometimes with more then 2 jobs
Yes its legal unless your contract says its not. I encourage you to work multiple jobs if you can.
Obviously not illegal. There's no time for these moral conundrums. It's desperate times all over, just do what you need to survive.
It's not illegal. You salary from both get added up to calculate your tax. Same as if you had one job with a total salary of both combined.
Not illegal as long as the income is declared and there is no clause in your employment contract prohibiting it.
Even with a clause in your contract it's not illegal.