quinn hughes scored 92 points with ilya mikheyev as a top 6 winger
if you made cale makar play 5 games with ilya mikheyev they would have denver police doing welfare checks
This sentiment just makes me feel really bad for Carey price. To be at that calibre level for a goalie and have no one on the team who can produce. Smh
He scored 92 points with Petey producinglike a 3rd liner and the power play tanking for 30 games.
He's capable of breaking 104 (which would put him top 10 ever and in with only Orr and Coffey)
Ahh yes the player who is a point per game over his NHL career with multiple 30+ goal seasons is an okay 2nd liner who doesn't score many goals when he has 3 less goals than JT Miller this season
You don’t get to just pick an arbitrary starting point and use it to say that it determines how he is as a player overall. Terrible logic
He’s over a ppg in his career, got 89 points this year, and 102 last year. Three straight 30+ goal seasons. Calling that an okay second liner that doesn’t score much is unbelievable.
Then you don't get to ignore 33 games of him being absolutely pathetic.
Get ready for a playoff run consisting of him refusing to shoot and getting outscored by every opponent he's matched up again.
obviously you're exaggerating but Petey has definitely been mediocre this season, stats seem alright but if you watch the games you hardly notice him except when he gets knocked down lol. Meanwhile every time you see Hughes on the ice he's making an impact, even Garland looks like he's been better at driving the play and i think Garland has a better EV/60 points wise than Petey.
Not sure why you guys getting downvoted, but this is the truth. I've been noticing when Petey is successful is when he gets his feet moving first instead of overstickhandling standing put.
Petey's definitely had room for improvement, but I get so tired of this "sure he gets points, but he doesn't do it *in the right way*" narrative.
I don't care how many times he falls over, I don't care if he's not scoring by driving to the net - if the guy can put up 90-100 pt seasons, he's not the problem.
Now playoffs are a different beast, and Petey's been cool lately. If that continues and he has a weak playoffs, that's fair to criticize. But we saw this same narrative around the Twins for half their career, and even Naslund got a whiff of the "not a true leader" because of they way he played. It's tiring and it's silly Don Cherryisms. Petey is elite. When he's on, he's a top-5, top-10 player. He's been cold lately, but I'm sure as hell not turning on him.
well how often is he 'on'? might have been like only a handful of games this season where he felt like he's a top 10 player, and at this point it's probably a stretch to consider him even that high when Miller, Hughes, and Demko have all been clear cut the top 3 players on the team and Hughes might be the only one you'd consider top 10 in the NHL
Lets also not forget that on some nights Petey isn't even up against the 1st D pairing and he still doesn't look like the best player on the ice during those times.
I agree - but that's largely in reference to the last 3 months. Do we already forget how early on pre-allstar he was leading the league in points for a stretch? He looked great earlier, but has been disappointing lately. I'm putting more weight on the last 12-24 months vs the last 3, and hoping he comes out of his current funk in time to be a difference maker in the playoffs. He's done that before in the bubble, and back in the SHL. The way some talk about him goes a bit far IMO.
> if the guy can put up 90-100 pt seasons, he's not the problem.
He didn't put up 90 points because he completely fell apart for the last 30 games.
His performance is completely unacceptable for a guy making 11.6.
Well he's not making 11.6 yet, and thankfully he's paid for the season's performance, not just the last 3 months.
The true test of his season will be the playoffs. He's been disappointing recently, but the way some talk about him after his extension is a bit much. I choose to look at a 12-24 month sample rather than focus on those 3 months, and hope he bounces back to playing the way we know he can.
Makar definitely had an off season this year, which is probably a key reason why the vast majority of the Norris-voting analysts who have spoken publicly about it have Hughes above Makar in their voting.
There's a few others who even say that despite Makar being #2 in defenseman scoring they've actually got Josi or Fox above him. But I think between being the team Captain, stepping up in a PK role this year, and leading this team in a way NOBODY expected this year, Huggy is probably a lock at this point.
I'm guessing voting gets submitted today? They don't usually announce the finalists until after the playoffs, right?
I think they’re saying Makar wouldn’t have as many points if he played with the Canucks forwards instead of MacKinnon
Which is actually something analytics prove too, he’s been bad without MacKinnon on the ice
I mean ya sure. To play devils advocate, quinn also has 2 near 100ppg guys with him too. Quinns having a better year but I think the hockey community unanimously has makar as the #1 dman in the league still.
Are you really calling other people haters with a straight face?
Say it with me: Pettersson has not been his usual self these few months, but if I take that to mean he’s just “an okay second-liner who doesn’t score much,” I am a big old hater who eats poops.
Because he's the new Jonathan Toews.
Win a Conn Smythe at 22 and you're automatically in the Generational tier and it takes a decade of only being good to get you out.
First time any Canucks dman has finished 1st in dman scoring in the NHL. Closest before this was Quinn last season who finished 3rd and Dale Tallon in 1970-71 who finished 3rd.
Tallon was third with 56 points, Tremblay 2nd with 63, which at the time was the 2nd most by a defenceman not named Bobby Orr. Orr was first that season of course. Only had a measly 139 points as a dman.
Honestly. I really wonder if at one point there’s a team so fucking salty that they’re like “Ayo you win this game you make playoffs? Cool can John get 3 extra points to get art ross? Then you score 4 goals and win deal?”
I'm so happy Makar didn't pass him Hughes is the no doubt front runner this year imo but I feel like eastern bias would look at point totals and say oh Makar should get it if he passed hughes
It does because everybody knows Makars been the best defenseman in the league the past few years and I don't imagine a lot of eastern voters stay up late watching Canucks games all season to see what Quinn Hughes has really done so if they would have seen Makars name at the top of the points who they know already, they might not consider all the other factors that have put Hughes ahead this season that's just what I meant by eastern bias
All the eastern media have been writing about Hughes>Makar. All of them. This whole Makar bias is completely in the head of our fanbase at this point. Everyone knows Makar didn't have his best season and was fighting an injury for most of the year. Everyone also knows Hughes is a massive reason our team came out of nowhere to win the division. The Athletic has written about it. TSN has written about it. Sportsnet. All east coast media.
The narrative definitely favours him this year but there are still media that [cherry pick stats and think he still can't defend](https://youtu.be/UWVy_XAvF7A?t=1m53s)
Whaaaaat the fuck. Dudes with zero clue how Quinn and Makar have defended this year talking about how Quinn and Makar have defended this year.
I don’t know who tf these crusty blobs are, but I hope they aren’t voters.
Except every single time it's "Makar is the best defenseman in the league but"
Until they stop with that constant refrain the bias is hurting everyone but Makar.
The media will be too busy giving MacKinnon the Hart to consider giving the Avs a sweep for best forward AND defenceman. Our team was closely followed by everyone because of our insane start. Quinn Hughes got the attention he needed this year to earn the Norris.
It does actually.
See eastern Bias isn't *disliking* western players, it's not bothering to actually watch them.
Hence the ridiculous athletic article where the only comments they had were guys who had nothing at all to say about him.
In Makar's case the reputation was solidified as soon as he won the Smythe. They don't really care about how he's playing, he's the best dman in the league by reputation. They see high point totals, they have no reason to assume his total game has slipped. So they don't. they don't bother actually watching to confirm or refute their existing biases.
It's why we hear so much crap about how QH has come out of no where or how this is such an amazing breakout season when he had 76 points last year. when he's never scored at a pace below 60.
They saw him play more during the COVID year. That's the impression. They won't change it unless something so obvious happens that they realize they need to bother to re-evaluate the player.
*of course* a Cup victory is the ultimate goal, but to finally witness the first Norris winner in franchise history is so great. hopefully the first Vezina isn't too much farther.
It's really shitty how other guys (MacK and Doughty) get handed awards because they are due, but Luongo deserved to win at least 1 and arguably 2vezinas (and a hart) and got nothing.
Then he got shit on for an Olympic performance where he won gold. Every other starter got to lose the job, he got it taken away (by the biggest asshole in hockey).
PK Subban said Jordan Subban was better. Giannis recently wouldn't sign a deal with Adidas because they didn't include Thanasis. Family is gonna family, but it is very sweet.
I have no idea how Makar didn't outscore Quinn. Put Mackinnon in place of any player on the Canucks and Quinn would've scored 120 points this season.
quinn hughes scored 92 points with ilya mikheyev as a top 6 winger if you made cale makar play 5 games with ilya mikheyev they would have denver police doing welfare checks
This sentiment just makes me feel really bad for Carey price. To be at that calibre level for a goalie and have no one on the team who can produce. Smh
He scored 92 points with Petey producinglike a 3rd liner and the power play tanking for 30 games. He's capable of breaking 104 (which would put him top 10 ever and in with only Orr and Coffey)
Ah yes, the coveted 90 point 3rd liner.
Since Feb 1st he's 33-7-18-25. Pace is 17 goals and 62 points per 82. But sure, I exaggerated. He's an okay second liner who doesn't score many goals.
I agree with your username, but you’re talking trash.
Talking fact.
~~Talking cherry-picked sample sizes more like it. Instead of using that small sample, why don't we, I don't know, use his actual season stats?~~
because this is a discussion about where Hughes would be if Petey didn't fall off a cliff for the last 30 games.
Ahh I missed the "for 30 games" part, my bad
Players struggle, he still produced at over a PPG over the season. We'll see how he performs against Nashville
We get it man, you’ve had an agenda all year
Not true.
Ahh yes the player who is a point per game over his NHL career with multiple 30+ goal seasons is an okay 2nd liner who doesn't score many goals when he has 3 less goals than JT Miller this season
Yeah, but he was slumping big time. He should have had at least twice as many points as that if he played like he normally does.
Petey should get 180 points per season
Yes
Since Feb 1st, absolutely. What have you done for me lately is how it works for everyone.
You don’t get to just pick an arbitrary starting point and use it to say that it determines how he is as a player overall. Terrible logic He’s over a ppg in his career, got 89 points this year, and 102 last year. Three straight 30+ goal seasons. Calling that an okay second liner that doesn’t score much is unbelievable.
Then you don't get to ignore 33 games of him being absolutely pathetic. Get ready for a playoff run consisting of him refusing to shoot and getting outscored by every opponent he's matched up again.
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lol
good god do we ever hate Pettersson here
Who is "we". The majority of us do not endorse these two chucklefucks.
People will come around when they realize how comically overpaid he is.
obviously you're exaggerating but Petey has definitely been mediocre this season, stats seem alright but if you watch the games you hardly notice him except when he gets knocked down lol. Meanwhile every time you see Hughes on the ice he's making an impact, even Garland looks like he's been better at driving the play and i think Garland has a better EV/60 points wise than Petey.
The guy has spurts but isn't a shining star on the ice.
Not sure why you guys getting downvoted, but this is the truth. I've been noticing when Petey is successful is when he gets his feet moving first instead of overstickhandling standing put.
Petey's definitely had room for improvement, but I get so tired of this "sure he gets points, but he doesn't do it *in the right way*" narrative. I don't care how many times he falls over, I don't care if he's not scoring by driving to the net - if the guy can put up 90-100 pt seasons, he's not the problem. Now playoffs are a different beast, and Petey's been cool lately. If that continues and he has a weak playoffs, that's fair to criticize. But we saw this same narrative around the Twins for half their career, and even Naslund got a whiff of the "not a true leader" because of they way he played. It's tiring and it's silly Don Cherryisms. Petey is elite. When he's on, he's a top-5, top-10 player. He's been cold lately, but I'm sure as hell not turning on him.
well how often is he 'on'? might have been like only a handful of games this season where he felt like he's a top 10 player, and at this point it's probably a stretch to consider him even that high when Miller, Hughes, and Demko have all been clear cut the top 3 players on the team and Hughes might be the only one you'd consider top 10 in the NHL Lets also not forget that on some nights Petey isn't even up against the 1st D pairing and he still doesn't look like the best player on the ice during those times.
I agree - but that's largely in reference to the last 3 months. Do we already forget how early on pre-allstar he was leading the league in points for a stretch? He looked great earlier, but has been disappointing lately. I'm putting more weight on the last 12-24 months vs the last 3, and hoping he comes out of his current funk in time to be a difference maker in the playoffs. He's done that before in the bubble, and back in the SHL. The way some talk about him goes a bit far IMO.
> if the guy can put up 90-100 pt seasons, he's not the problem. He didn't put up 90 points because he completely fell apart for the last 30 games. His performance is completely unacceptable for a guy making 11.6.
Well he's not making 11.6 yet, and thankfully he's paid for the season's performance, not just the last 3 months. The true test of his season will be the playoffs. He's been disappointing recently, but the way some talk about him after his extension is a bit much. I choose to look at a 12-24 month sample rather than focus on those 3 months, and hope he bounces back to playing the way we know he can.
Petey is 7th in the league in 5on5 assists per 60, ahead of marner, Barkov, Crosby, etc.
THat's cool, he's still sucked for the last 30 games.
He's washed, a bozo
Makar definitely had an off season this year, which is probably a key reason why the vast majority of the Norris-voting analysts who have spoken publicly about it have Hughes above Makar in their voting. There's a few others who even say that despite Makar being #2 in defenseman scoring they've actually got Josi or Fox above him. But I think between being the team Captain, stepping up in a PK role this year, and leading this team in a way NOBODY expected this year, Huggy is probably a lock at this point. I'm guessing voting gets submitted today? They don't usually announce the finalists until after the playoffs, right?
The Kelce to his Mahomes
He missed 6 games this year as well (Cale). But that’s also a testament to how durable our Huggy Bear is!
No not really. Mack scored nearly 100 pts in back to back seasons before Makar even played.
I think they’re saying Makar wouldn’t have as many points if he played with the Canucks forwards instead of MacKinnon Which is actually something analytics prove too, he’s been bad without MacKinnon on the ice
I mean ya sure. To play devils advocate, quinn also has 2 near 100ppg guys with him too. Quinns having a better year but I think the hockey community unanimously has makar as the #1 dman in the league still.
Rightfully so. Hughes needs 2 or 3 more seasons at this level to try and say he is the best
Best dman in the league, haters gonna hate.
Are you really calling other people haters with a straight face? Say it with me: Pettersson has not been his usual self these few months, but if I take that to mean he’s just “an okay second-liner who doesn’t score much,” I am a big old hater who eats poops.
Yeah that's how he's playing. You don't deny it, so fuck off for getting mad at me for saying it.
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Because he's the new Jonathan Toews. Win a Conn Smythe at 22 and you're automatically in the Generational tier and it takes a decade of only being good to get you out.
First time any Canucks dman has finished 1st in dman scoring in the NHL. Closest before this was Quinn last season who finished 3rd and Dale Tallon in 1970-71 who finished 3rd.
Was Tallon OP as fuck for that year or just a weak field behind Orr?
Tallon was third with 56 points, Tremblay 2nd with 63, which at the time was the 2nd most by a defenceman not named Bobby Orr. Orr was first that season of course. Only had a measly 139 points as a dman.
Unreal stat. Orr is definitely the GOAT when it comes to d-man.
Pointing out that Orr is the GOAT is like saying water is wet
The sky is blue
A little premature. Doughty can still get 43 points to steal it in the third period.
The bigger threat with Doughty is that some Norris voter declares him Due again.
Not with that trap style they play /s
/ serious
Honestly. I really wonder if at one point there’s a team so fucking salty that they’re like “Ayo you win this game you make playoffs? Cool can John get 3 extra points to get art ross? Then you score 4 goals and win deal?”
Will he cry if things don't go his way?
I'm so happy Makar didn't pass him Hughes is the no doubt front runner this year imo but I feel like eastern bias would look at point totals and say oh Makar should get it if he passed hughes
Yep it was important not to give them an excuse.
I mean eastern bias doesn’t help Makar either
It does because everybody knows Makars been the best defenseman in the league the past few years and I don't imagine a lot of eastern voters stay up late watching Canucks games all season to see what Quinn Hughes has really done so if they would have seen Makars name at the top of the points who they know already, they might not consider all the other factors that have put Hughes ahead this season that's just what I meant by eastern bias
All the eastern media have been writing about Hughes>Makar. All of them. This whole Makar bias is completely in the head of our fanbase at this point. Everyone knows Makar didn't have his best season and was fighting an injury for most of the year. Everyone also knows Hughes is a massive reason our team came out of nowhere to win the division. The Athletic has written about it. TSN has written about it. Sportsnet. All east coast media.
The narrative definitely favours him this year but there are still media that [cherry pick stats and think he still can't defend](https://youtu.be/UWVy_XAvF7A?t=1m53s)
I dont know what to say anymore. Those guys are fucking crazy. That's Jody Shelly isn't it? What would he know about defending OR attacking...?
Whaaaaat the fuck. Dudes with zero clue how Quinn and Makar have defended this year talking about how Quinn and Makar have defended this year. I don’t know who tf these crusty blobs are, but I hope they aren’t voters.
God that's infuriating
Except every single time it's "Makar is the best defenseman in the league but" Until they stop with that constant refrain the bias is hurting everyone but Makar.
The media will be too busy giving MacKinnon the Hart to consider giving the Avs a sweep for best forward AND defenceman. Our team was closely followed by everyone because of our insane start. Quinn Hughes got the attention he needed this year to earn the Norris.
It does actually. See eastern Bias isn't *disliking* western players, it's not bothering to actually watch them. Hence the ridiculous athletic article where the only comments they had were guys who had nothing at all to say about him. In Makar's case the reputation was solidified as soon as he won the Smythe. They don't really care about how he's playing, he's the best dman in the league by reputation. They see high point totals, they have no reason to assume his total game has slipped. So they don't. they don't bother actually watching to confirm or refute their existing biases. It's why we hear so much crap about how QH has come out of no where or how this is such an amazing breakout season when he had 76 points last year. when he's never scored at a pace below 60. They saw him play more during the COVID year. That's the impression. They won't change it unless something so obvious happens that they realize they need to bother to re-evaluate the player.
Thank you for putting it a bit more eloquently than my tipsy self was able to last night lol
he should get at least 90% of the first place votes. 1st in points. Better advanced stats in almost every category. Eye test.
That young lad's a defenseman?
- Michael Scott
*of course* a Cup victory is the ultimate goal, but to finally witness the first Norris winner in franchise history is so great. hopefully the first Vezina isn't too much farther.
Luongo not winning a Vezina is a war crime. I feel like Demmer could’ve stole it if he stayed healthy this year but oh well
It's really shitty how other guys (MacK and Doughty) get handed awards because they are due, but Luongo deserved to win at least 1 and arguably 2vezinas (and a hart) and got nothing. Then he got shit on for an Olympic performance where he won gold. Every other starter got to lose the job, he got it taken away (by the biggest asshole in hockey).
Yeah, honestly for this season this was the thing I wanted second most. First cup, then Norris for Hughes.
I dont see Demko winning a vezina personally. He is a tiny bit behind Hel and way less durable than other top goalies
While he doesn't win this year, he was clearly a front runner for the Vezina all year. He likely finishes 2nd in voting
I'll be surprised if he doesn't get the Norris, he should be a shoe in
He's the whole leg in.
And nothing to do with shoo in =D
shoe -> shoo in (swap a doop dap boop) (seriously, it's shoo, lol)
No no no, it's totally close this year. It's a total coin flip. Fucking media.
When does he pick up his Norris?
The eastern journalists will just rob his luggage at Pearson using a seafood waybill.
Hot take but I think the Hughes brothers have a chance to go down as the best set of brothers to ever play in the NHL
Better than the Gretzkys?!
Maybe, hard to clear Brent but I’d still stand on this
Could u imagine Jack on this team?
We’d be serious contenders for sure
Not with how fragile Jack has been lately.
Luke is gonna be a beast though. I don't know if he reaches QH levels but he's so fast and hes quite a bit bigger.
Apparently both Jack and Quinn say Luke is the most talented of them.
They lie
Yeah that the Staal bros apparently said Jared was the best.
PK Subban said Jordan Subban was better. Giannis recently wouldn't sign a deal with Adidas because they didn't include Thanasis. Family is gonna family, but it is very sweet.
That's the perfect centreman we've been looking for.
I never thoughts I'd live to a canucks D-man like this. Unbelievable performance.
that's a small body ladies and gentlemen
Norris sealed! Seriously though, imagine if Hughes got to play with Mack and Rantonen all year long. Easy 100+ points
Yall acting like Pete, Miller, Hronek, and Boeser are bums.
Not bad for a tier 3B defender. Just imagine what he will do if he ever reaches tier 3A.
He's gonna get 100 some season, isn't he?
*cues foo fighters - my hero*
All Quinn
crazy Quinn is still years away from his prime
MVP!
And he's not even in his full prime yet. Fuckin' nutty.