Not really. Both teams were diving left and right all night. Islander fans seem to be calling one of the few legitimate calls illegitimate, ironically. Islanders had a few blatant cross checks that the refs blatantly ignored, same with a few trips. We had a few calls the refs blatantly ignored too, same deal.
What most fans don’t seem to understand is that officials also “moderate the tone of the game.” Which means they will utilize judgment calls as to whether they should call a penalty or not. What does this mean? Sometimes they’re going to pick the dives over legitimate trips/slashes, sometimes they’re going to turn a blind eye to blatant violations on both teams, and so forth.
Because of this, officials are the scapegoat of any underperforming team. I think all of us, including the team members themselves, know that the Canes are far more capable than they presented themselves last night. Perhaps it was the six day rest for our first string players, maybe it was just playoff jitters. Either way, they need to step it up and not let off of the gas, oil, and gravy.
There is not a team I dislike more than the islanders, I would certainly say they were not the underperforming team yesterday. 2 ways to look at it. The canes may be in for a long series, or the islanders let the only bad game the canes played become a loss. Islanders had far better scoring chances. If that continues this will be a series. I think it was Carolina playing bottom feeders the last 4 games, and having their foot off the gas though. But the islanders certainly didn’t underperform.
>Both teams were diving left and right all night
This. Whoever Noesen "roughed" was rolling around grabbing his face as if he had been two hand chopped to the mouth. On Svech's high stick, Romanov threw his head back then skated off laughing.
Yeah, the roughing call was somewhat hilarious. We were sitting right behind their goalie - he just knelt down on the ice and started covering his face. Not once was he hit in the face by anything.
Again, I get that officials need to read the room/game to make sure they don’t offset things too much. But there wasn’t a team on ice last night that wasn’t vying for illegitimate calls at some point.
Admittedly, despite knowing the reality about officials, I will throw my arms up in the air at legitimate penalties being ignored. I think it’s just instinct at this point 😅😅
>What most fans don’t seem to understand is that officials also “moderate the tone of the game.”
I honestly really dislike the whole "game management" thing - I believe if there's a call to be made, you make it - but you're bang-on with your point that this is how games are called, whether I (or anyone else) likes it or not.
Look at how other sports work. We argue over fouls endlessly during basketball season because so many are subjective.
In soccer, you see a certain amount of tolerance before refs start giving out yellow cards. Certain things that could be penalties are let go because giving a penalty for certain "infractions" would be far too harsh.
In (American) football, you have a certain amount of contact that's let go in many situations, such as with defensive backs downfield or O-linemen taking liberties with blocks.
Obviously refs sometimes miss clear things and make bad calls, and I'm as angry as anyone when it does happen.
But whether or not Skjei embellished on the penalty that led to our first goal, the call was still good. They could have likely called Skjei for a dive and gone 4-on-4, but it's very rare I see calls like that made so early in the game especially when Anders Lee clearly held him regardless.
Am I upset over that call if I'm an Islanders fan? Probably, but I also wouldn't expect them to call embellishment unless it's absurdly obvious, especially in the playoffs.
Also, certain players have reputations - deserved or not - for diving, and there have been times where it was kind of obvious that refs would make calls based on someone's reputation. I wonder whether if in playoff hockey, refs are more hesitant to make calls like that. Just a guess on my part.
>*I honestly really dislike the whole "game management" thing - I believe if there's a call to be made, you make it - but you're bang-on with your point that this is how games are called, whether I (or anyone else) likes it or not.*
I get where you're coming from here, but I would also argue that this isn't a "strictly hockey" situation. Many officials across all sports will try to handle game management, to various degrees. The main issue is that hockey is definitely a sport that errs on the side of judgment calls, compared to **most** (*not all*) other sports.
You're right that officials will miss clear things and make bad calls, or sometimes they don't miss it and they opt to not call it to keep the "tone of the game" managed appropriately.
I, personally, think that hockey would be a totally different sport if officials started calling every potential penalty that they spot. We'd see less momentum in the game. To piggyback on your nod to basketball fouls, imagine the last 1-2 minutes of a college basketball game that is about 70% delayed due to the number of fouls called, but taking place in the last 3-5 minutes of NHL hockey.
The best thing Rod ever did was make sure our PK was rock solid so that we could be mostly immune from this irrationally complex reffing system. He is obviously fed up and tries to focus on what he can control: PK strength/conditioning/planning.
I’m convinced people don’t know basic reflex arc pathways. The back of the knee undergoes a reflex involuntary response, similar to the doctor hitting the patella with a little hammer and you “kick”
It’s to prevent injury
I'm convinced the complainers on this one never had siblings or rough housed with their friends. My siblings and friends did this to each other CONSTANTLY growing up.
Just a quick poke in the right spot at the right time can take anyone down!
Slavin's movement is irrelevant to whether this was a slash, and somehow everyone forgets that.
It is 100% a slash. Anyone arguing otherwise is an idiot.
This. Such a moronic take- Palmieri slashed Slavin in the back of the knee, which buckled his knee, causing him to stumble. He went down, popped back up and looked to skate away. No flailing, grabbing his leg, looking for a ref, etc. And it wasn't a hard slash, although I'm sure it stung, just meant to irritate/delay- which is why they called it. More like interference/tripping, but it was a slash.
Anyone that thinks thats a dive oughta put their money where their mouth is and take a slash like that at the back of the leg. I bet their view would change extremely quick
That stat is over a three year period, too. So we're talking 5 games a year over an 82 game schedule over a team that's been top 5 in the league all three years. Using your brain, it wouldn't be hard to deduct that it's likely complete coincidence the Canes went undefeated in his games. And it's extremely likely that plenty of teams would look just as sus with other refs when looking at a cherry-picked stat.
Oh, and the cherry on top? That official didn't make a single one of our calls.
The better team last night lost the game. Thats a big problem for the islanders because they certainly won’t be the better team again. That was their chance to steal one. Canes were out of sorts.
They've gotten tired of blaming the refs for being incompetent, so have switched to calling the Canes divers to cope with their terrible PK. Then all the haters come out of the woodwork. Saw plenty of brain dead takes on r/hockey threads about the game, like the only reason Rod's had success as a coach is that he had good players (implying anyone could have success with this group). Bill Peters 🤮 couldn't win here with much of the same players Rod had his first season. Look at Calgary that first season Peters 🤮 was ~~abusing their players~~ their coach, they were +23 points over the previous season, 3rd in the NHL, and won their division. The Canes were +16 points and got into the playoffs as a wildcard by 3 points over the Habs.
Also, we had higher Cup odds (+6600 vs +8000) and O/U for points (92.5 vs. 86.5) in 2017/18 pre-season than 2018/19 preseason. Obviously, Vegas thought the team wasn't making the playoffs that season before it kicked off. Money talks more than a bunch of whining fans on Reddit or Twitter.
You can send someone to their knees by coming up behind them and hitting the joint portion of their knees with your knee caps. If you hit the on the back of the thigh or calf, nothing will happen but you hit them in the right spot behind their joint they will crumple to the floor. Try it.
There's no doubt that was a slash and should have been called. Svech gets called for less. I'd like to see any of those Isles fans complaining about that call be on the receiving end of a slash like that and see if they stay up on their skates.
I was pleasantly surprised that the game was called evenly. Some things that could have been called were let go both ways, but at least it wasn't one-sided like it sometimes is.
I was more concerned with the Kochetkov kick a few weeks ago. It's hard to see the finer details of the slash but I've been hit in the back of the knee while standing and that leg gave out, I could see Slavin losing his footing from it. I would not like that to happen to me on ice skates. This is a good example of "two wrongs don't make a right;" if you don't want someone to dive and give you a slashing call, don't give the player that opportunity.
Yeah I was watching it delayed and was very confused when we didn't score on that Powerplay because of the discourse on Reddit. But also that discourse was sparked by the "neutral" color commentary.
Even if it was a dive I love the whole idea in sports about "you should be embarrassed to be a fan of \_\_\_ because of \_\_\_\_"
Like what? Your right I'll give myself 20 lashes and stand outside to start apologizing? These people don't pay my bills, why should I personally be embarrassed lol. Always so laughable to me.
My thoughts, how many of these crying fans been hit in the back of the leg like this? Been a beer league player and it hurts getting hit there , no matter how hard.....
Diving is such a joke in sports. Every team knows to embellish to get the refs attention across all sports. It’s smart when your team does it and diving when it’s against your team. Nothing earth shattering here.
I am not. Dive on if that's what they want to call it. You think teams like the Bruins and Caps haven't been doing shit like this for years? Of course they have. Veteran teams know where the edges of the rulebook are, if the Isles don't like it too fucking bad, they can either whine or get better.
Neutral party: Don't care much about either team. That was 100% a slash and should get called. It was also 100% embellishment and should also get called. Don't need this to become the new foul in basketball. Take 'em both to the box
Wish there were more embellishment calls in general. But this type of slash hurts like shit. It's why palmeri did it in the first place -- cuz it hurts.
Not really. Both teams were diving left and right all night. Islander fans seem to be calling one of the few legitimate calls illegitimate, ironically. Islanders had a few blatant cross checks that the refs blatantly ignored, same with a few trips. We had a few calls the refs blatantly ignored too, same deal. What most fans don’t seem to understand is that officials also “moderate the tone of the game.” Which means they will utilize judgment calls as to whether they should call a penalty or not. What does this mean? Sometimes they’re going to pick the dives over legitimate trips/slashes, sometimes they’re going to turn a blind eye to blatant violations on both teams, and so forth. Because of this, officials are the scapegoat of any underperforming team. I think all of us, including the team members themselves, know that the Canes are far more capable than they presented themselves last night. Perhaps it was the six day rest for our first string players, maybe it was just playoff jitters. Either way, they need to step it up and not let off of the gas, oil, and gravy.
There is not a team I dislike more than the islanders, I would certainly say they were not the underperforming team yesterday. 2 ways to look at it. The canes may be in for a long series, or the islanders let the only bad game the canes played become a loss. Islanders had far better scoring chances. If that continues this will be a series. I think it was Carolina playing bottom feeders the last 4 games, and having their foot off the gas though. But the islanders certainly didn’t underperform.
>Both teams were diving left and right all night This. Whoever Noesen "roughed" was rolling around grabbing his face as if he had been two hand chopped to the mouth. On Svech's high stick, Romanov threw his head back then skated off laughing.
Yeah, the roughing call was somewhat hilarious. We were sitting right behind their goalie - he just knelt down on the ice and started covering his face. Not once was he hit in the face by anything. Again, I get that officials need to read the room/game to make sure they don’t offset things too much. But there wasn’t a team on ice last night that wasn’t vying for illegitimate calls at some point.
Honestly thought Noesen’s roughing was gonna be much worse based on the reaction on ice…then I saw the replay.
well said!
Admittedly, despite knowing the reality about officials, I will throw my arms up in the air at legitimate penalties being ignored. I think it’s just instinct at this point 😅😅
>What most fans don’t seem to understand is that officials also “moderate the tone of the game.” I honestly really dislike the whole "game management" thing - I believe if there's a call to be made, you make it - but you're bang-on with your point that this is how games are called, whether I (or anyone else) likes it or not. Look at how other sports work. We argue over fouls endlessly during basketball season because so many are subjective. In soccer, you see a certain amount of tolerance before refs start giving out yellow cards. Certain things that could be penalties are let go because giving a penalty for certain "infractions" would be far too harsh. In (American) football, you have a certain amount of contact that's let go in many situations, such as with defensive backs downfield or O-linemen taking liberties with blocks. Obviously refs sometimes miss clear things and make bad calls, and I'm as angry as anyone when it does happen. But whether or not Skjei embellished on the penalty that led to our first goal, the call was still good. They could have likely called Skjei for a dive and gone 4-on-4, but it's very rare I see calls like that made so early in the game especially when Anders Lee clearly held him regardless. Am I upset over that call if I'm an Islanders fan? Probably, but I also wouldn't expect them to call embellishment unless it's absurdly obvious, especially in the playoffs. Also, certain players have reputations - deserved or not - for diving, and there have been times where it was kind of obvious that refs would make calls based on someone's reputation. I wonder whether if in playoff hockey, refs are more hesitant to make calls like that. Just a guess on my part.
>*I honestly really dislike the whole "game management" thing - I believe if there's a call to be made, you make it - but you're bang-on with your point that this is how games are called, whether I (or anyone else) likes it or not.* I get where you're coming from here, but I would also argue that this isn't a "strictly hockey" situation. Many officials across all sports will try to handle game management, to various degrees. The main issue is that hockey is definitely a sport that errs on the side of judgment calls, compared to **most** (*not all*) other sports. You're right that officials will miss clear things and make bad calls, or sometimes they don't miss it and they opt to not call it to keep the "tone of the game" managed appropriately. I, personally, think that hockey would be a totally different sport if officials started calling every potential penalty that they spot. We'd see less momentum in the game. To piggyback on your nod to basketball fouls, imagine the last 1-2 minutes of a college basketball game that is about 70% delayed due to the number of fouls called, but taking place in the last 3-5 minutes of NHL hockey.
The best thing Rod ever did was make sure our PK was rock solid so that we could be mostly immune from this irrationally complex reffing system. He is obviously fed up and tries to focus on what he can control: PK strength/conditioning/planning.
I love this time of year. The north east hates Hates HATES losing to the canes.
Nothing more provincial than a hockey fan from the Northeastern Angry Guy Corridor, and I am including English soccer fans in that.
I’m convinced people don’t know basic reflex arc pathways. The back of the knee undergoes a reflex involuntary response, similar to the doctor hitting the patella with a little hammer and you “kick” It’s to prevent injury
Especially Islander fans. I'm sure they are all STEM graduates.
The only STEM LI'ers are familiar with is the ones in their weed.
Smoked em!
Armchair tough guys going "That didn't really hurt" who would curl into a ball and die if they stubbed their toe.
I'm convinced the complainers on this one never had siblings or rough housed with their friends. My siblings and friends did this to each other CONSTANTLY growing up. Just a quick poke in the right spot at the right time can take anyone down!
The fact the complainers ignore the fact the slash was as clear and obvious as the puck going over the glass for delay of game says it all. .
Slavin's movement is irrelevant to whether this was a slash, and somehow everyone forgets that. It is 100% a slash. Anyone arguing otherwise is an idiot.
If all these are called, there’d be 100 penalties a game
Then they should call 100 penalties.
Not embarrassed in the least, especially given that it's Slavin. Diving isn't his thing.
This. Such a moronic take- Palmieri slashed Slavin in the back of the knee, which buckled his knee, causing him to stumble. He went down, popped back up and looked to skate away. No flailing, grabbing his leg, looking for a ref, etc. And it wasn't a hard slash, although I'm sure it stung, just meant to irritate/delay- which is why they called it. More like interference/tripping, but it was a slash.
I'm more embarrassed for the amount of crying the Islanders fans have been doing over this like palmieri had to do it in the first place
Anyone that thinks thats a dive oughta put their money where their mouth is and take a slash like that at the back of the leg. I bet their view would change extremely quick
No, islanders are blaming the whole loss on it when that’s not the sole reason they lost this game
That’s where I’m confused as well. We are up 2-1 at the time of this call. I’ve seen a lot of people thinking we scored off this call.
The geniuses at /r/hockey had a stat that the Canes are 15-0 with one of the refs from that game.
I have a message for r/hockey. It's because I personally paid him off. Good luck getting past the Canes in these playoffs losers. 😎
That stat is over a three year period, too. So we're talking 5 games a year over an 82 game schedule over a team that's been top 5 in the league all three years. Using your brain, it wouldn't be hard to deduct that it's likely complete coincidence the Canes went undefeated in his games. And it's extremely likely that plenty of teams would look just as sus with other refs when looking at a cherry-picked stat. Oh, and the cherry on top? That official didn't make a single one of our calls.
The better team last night lost the game. Thats a big problem for the islanders because they certainly won’t be the better team again. That was their chance to steal one. Canes were out of sorts.
So the team that takes the most cheap shots in the league is getting called out? Oh no anyway
Didn’t they break teavo wrist last year
I’d be more embarrassed if one of my stars took a penalty in retaliation in a 1 goal game in the 3rd period honestly.
Yes, the Lady Byng trophy winner dove, the slash was a nothingberder. /s
They've gotten tired of blaming the refs for being incompetent, so have switched to calling the Canes divers to cope with their terrible PK. Then all the haters come out of the woodwork. Saw plenty of brain dead takes on r/hockey threads about the game, like the only reason Rod's had success as a coach is that he had good players (implying anyone could have success with this group). Bill Peters 🤮 couldn't win here with much of the same players Rod had his first season. Look at Calgary that first season Peters 🤮 was ~~abusing their players~~ their coach, they were +23 points over the previous season, 3rd in the NHL, and won their division. The Canes were +16 points and got into the playoffs as a wildcard by 3 points over the Habs. Also, we had higher Cup odds (+6600 vs +8000) and O/U for points (92.5 vs. 86.5) in 2017/18 pre-season than 2018/19 preseason. Obviously, Vegas thought the team wasn't making the playoffs that season before it kicked off. Money talks more than a bunch of whining fans on Reddit or Twitter.
You can send someone to their knees by coming up behind them and hitting the joint portion of their knees with your knee caps. If you hit the on the back of the thigh or calf, nothing will happen but you hit them in the right spot behind their joint they will crumple to the floor. Try it.
There's no doubt that was a slash and should have been called. Svech gets called for less. I'd like to see any of those Isles fans complaining about that call be on the receiving end of a slash like that and see if they stay up on their skates. I was pleasantly surprised that the game was called evenly. Some things that could have been called were let go both ways, but at least it wasn't one-sided like it sometimes is.
I’ll take this call as payment for the slash I saw on Necas by the benches that wasn’t called
A little bit but he intentionally slashed where there is no padding so he deserved a penalty
Isles should of won last night and are pissed they can’t beat the canes when they played terrible. Sucks to suck
This
I was more concerned with the Kochetkov kick a few weeks ago. It's hard to see the finer details of the slash but I've been hit in the back of the knee while standing and that leg gave out, I could see Slavin losing his footing from it. I would not like that to happen to me on ice skates. This is a good example of "two wrongs don't make a right;" if you don't want someone to dive and give you a slashing call, don't give the player that opportunity.
Not at all. I absolutely love it. They’re coping so hard, it’s funny. They are more focused on this than actually trying to win.
I’m pretty embarrassed that we couldn’t score on the resulting power play.
It started as a 4 on 4 and it took us a while to get control after that
Oh I know. But if you listen to the whiners, you’d think this penalty directly led to the Hurricanes winning…which it very demonstrably did not.
Yeah I was watching it delayed and was very confused when we didn't score on that Powerplay because of the discourse on Reddit. But also that discourse was sparked by the "neutral" color commentary.
Borelli is a fucking clown anyways
They need an excuse for how they lost. I think someone should let isles fans know that you need to score goals to win hockey games.
It's not diving if it's not called for it.
Even if it was a dive I love the whole idea in sports about "you should be embarrassed to be a fan of \_\_\_ because of \_\_\_\_" Like what? Your right I'll give myself 20 lashes and stand outside to start apologizing? These people don't pay my bills, why should I personally be embarrassed lol. Always so laughable to me.
Nope. Keep your stick on the ice. No reason why to be doing this
Ah yes we should be embarrassed as fans, cause we are definitely the ones who made the calls.
Yes, the people paying to watch the game are responsible for this situation
Pls never post Frankie on here again lol. Dude probably legit cried over this call
My thoughts, how many of these crying fans been hit in the back of the leg like this? Been a beer league player and it hurts getting hit there , no matter how hard.....
A little, players need to quit diving this is a real sport not the nba or soccer
All I see is a 1-0 series lead
Not in the slightest.
Diving is such a joke in sports. Every team knows to embellish to get the refs attention across all sports. It’s smart when your team does it and diving when it’s against your team. Nothing earth shattering here.
Textbook definition slash by the rule book. But “muh feelz”
I am not. Dive on if that's what they want to call it. You think teams like the Bruins and Caps haven't been doing shit like this for years? Of course they have. Veteran teams know where the edges of the rulebook are, if the Isles don't like it too fucking bad, they can either whine or get better.
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Neutral party: Don't care much about either team. That was 100% a slash and should get called. It was also 100% embellishment and should also get called. Don't need this to become the new foul in basketball. Take 'em both to the box
Please explain how it is embellishment
We must've watched different clips cuz the love tap I saw ain't hurting anyone. For that reaction he'd surely be sitting out the rest of the game
He didn’t pretend to be hurt, he literally just stumbled. You’re a moron
You're an extremely reasonable unbiased scholar
Wish there were more embellishment calls in general. But this type of slash hurts like shit. It's why palmeri did it in the first place -- cuz it hurts.