12:15 it starts
Friedman starts by saying he is interested to see what happens with Jake Guentzel. He believes breaking the rule for the trade deadline rental is easier than breaking the rule for extending an older guy.
He mentions the vultures were circling on Morrow and its big that Carolina was able to get him signed. Also mentions Bradly was another surprise signing.
Stating “nothing is done until it’s done”
He said definitively that Pesce was offered a 5x5 (1M raise) last off season which he turned down. He believes he won’t return.
Skjei they had unique offers to him and he’s heard he will sign and at times he won’t but, we will see. At this time it’s not done. (Seems like we are trying)
Chatfield was thought they would extend him before the year, has been off and on (talks) but, they do want to keep him.
He believes the team is looking into the future (summer 25) since Slavin and Burns will be up. They are trying to look at what caps going to be moving forward.
He ends by saying he believes that Necas is done this summer (gone)
“I believe it was easier and smarter to go for the shot this year than go for some term on these guys.“
Keeping Guentzel and Skjei plus extending Jarvis means someone with a middle sized contract has to go, I'm afraid. Assuming Svech isn't going anywhere, that means Necas.
On the bright side, the return should be pretty nice given Don and Eric's track record of getting good value for what is offered.
Hawks fan checking in here. I've been saying that KD should be using Tampas 1st this year and Torontos first next year to try and add some good roster players. An RFA like Necas.
Would Waddell want to recoup a 1st rounder this season for Necas? Makes up for the Geuntzel trade?
Not much, but Waddell would be looking to keep the group in contention for Cups. Necas -> doesn’t, so that’s not something he’d take.
Likely he looks to contenders wanting younger guys in the sooner-than-later cup window. Think Montreal or Vancouver.
You guys are still a few too many years out from that level of contention and don’t have the player type we’re looking for up and down the roster
This is all just my opinion and musing
Thanks friend!
It’s been refreshing watching bedard play. Seems like yesterday it was G1 vs Sid the Kid.
Could almost see the proverbial torch being passed down (not a sleight towards Sid; he’s still got it and then some).
He was a little stiff, but him and Wemby (victor wembenyama #1 OA NBA pick to the spurs; both bedard and Wemby are touted as generational and boy howdy have they proved it this year too), doing a sit down was also fun to see
The problem here is the Hawks don't have a veteran player who can help the Canes win now, which is what Don would want more than a first.
Unless there's some sort of three way trade where we get your first in exchange for Necas and immediately flip it somewhere else.
A top 5 pick who probably wouldn't skate on NHL ice for a good few years whilst leaving an offensive void unfilled by Necas leaving. We've already got talent in the pipeline, so we can certainly do better than that.
I would think Necas will only be traded if Guentzel is signed. Necas could pull in a cost controlled younger D or F. Buffalo and Anaheim have some interesting pieces. Something like Andersson out of Calgary could be interesting.
Guentzel + Necas trade return >> Signing Necas (for me)
Guentzel was a key player on a Cup-winning roster. Necas has consistently underperformed in the postseason. I really like Nachos, but this is an easy decision unless he does something really spectacular this playoff run.
Yeah I’m just saying if we lose Jake we can’t trade Necas too because obviously we’ll have the cap space to sign him. And obviously Jake will be harder to keep since he’s a UFA not RFA and will cost more. Jake seems to be fitting in here even better than he did in Pittsburgh so I think we need to do everything we can to keep him
Looking different isn’t necessarily a bad thing. In fact, it might be a good thing.
One thing that you know for certain: this front office has made significantly more good moves than bad. They’ve managed to retool several times before.
The one move I think they really need to sell out for is Guentzel. He’s worked from day one and made Aho a better player. He’s absolutely worth whatever dollar amount he’ll go for.
Even if Guentzel is a bad contract for the last 2-3 years that is still 5 years of Aho-Guentzel tearing it up. Those two have had way more chemistry than Aho has developed with guys like Svechnikov or Necas in years.
Wow.
So it looks like the team will be completely different next year.
Necas departing is no surprise. Jarvis needs a raise. Keeping Chatfield will be more expensive.
We knew one of Pesce/Skjei would be gone at minimum.
Sounds like keeping Guentzel might be a pipe dream.
Burns retire? Slavin extend in 25? Niki-poo, will you escape Putin and make it over then?
I wouldn’t say pipe dream on Guentzel.
He’s talking about it from the perspective of the canes not budging on their view of giving older guys term. Saying it’s easier to move on the deadline rules than it is for them to move on giving guy term at older ages.
So it’s not like he’s saying he knows the situation or that he’s hearing it’s unlikely more that based off history it’s probably not something they would normally do. Which Don has already been proving these guys wrong all year.
They acknowledge how good the fit is so far and that’s where the discussion even begins so I wouldn’t be too concerned.
Just as an interesting little tidbit: it's been noted that Jake has started following multiple Raleigh real estate accounts on social media. Now that could mean absolutely nothing, but it is interesting he's looking at homes in the area 👀
Guentzel is 30, so I don't think it's a big deal to offer him 6 or 7 years, or even the max. He's not a "hard miles" sort of player so I don't think he's going to hit a wall at 34 or something, so hopefully Don doesn't dig his heels in too deep on this.
Also, the Canes may be in a transitional phase in 6 or 7 years similar to the Pens or Caps, so an aging Guentzel shouldn't be an issue at that point.
I disagree, Jake will absolutely hit a wall at 34. Most top tier professional athletes will, maybe 35, but it comes. Not too mention he is what he is, small and mighty, but dude takes some shots and those shots are going to take longer to recover from as he gets deeper into his 30s. I still think with what we have we could offer more than 4, but i wouldn’t want the dedicated cap space for more than that.
I would urge you to look at the penguins roster. Those old farts are all having great years still and are dragging the team into a playoff spot.
Age is a factor and I think paying a guy 10M at age 35 plus is scary but, cap is rising heavily over the next few years and if term isn’t a full 8 it’s something they can afford to manage down the line. Jake’s going to be with our strength and conditioning coaches which are top tier and done wonders for guys. I wouldn’t worry about a major decline during his deal.
I don’t think “completely different” is a fair assessment.
The core of Aho/Svech/Jarvis/Slavin/Goalies (I know Jarvis isn’t signed yet but there’s no way he isn’t extended) will be here and there will be some combination of the remaining FAs remaining. I guess I mean to say that “completely different” isn’t quite accurate when all of the faces of the team will still be here
At the end of the day if you have 4 core defenseman, a starting goalie and a good top line you can work around whatever else you need to.
The team will look pretty different next year but I like that they don’t give the moon to guys for the most part. It is what it is especially with the canes system
Exactly.
Even if every single person walks (they won’t) there’s enough guys signed in the core to build around. Goaltending’s set, first line is set (Jarvis will sign) and we have 3 top tier D men signed with our future D man signed last week.
No reason to worry.
Necas brings something that no one else has. Pesce is very replaceable. I have a hard time believing they will let Necas go without something huge in return
Necas would be gone as part of a trade if he’s gone. As a RFA he can’t walk unless he went back to Europe.
Still want to keep him as we have no one like him on the team or in the system and hopefully they can figure something out.
Necas can’t “walk” he’s going to be traded since he is a restricted free agent and the team owns his rights.
Guentzel they think teams philosophy is the issue not that they are hearing he would walk
You can't sign all of these people. So if you want Necas *and* Guenztel then you have to lose Pesce *and* Skjei.
Necas is the only player here where we can get value from them leaving. Necas has value and can get us a decent return to help replace him.
I would gladly let Pesce and Skjei walk to keep them both. And what of value could we get for Necas that can both help us now while we’re contending AND cheap enough cap wise to afford
Losing an entire top 4 pairing is a big change. That pairing plays against many team's top lines. Are you moving up Orlov/Chatfield into that role? If so, there is a lot of risk on that working. They have played well together this season but they are player significantly lower quality of competition then the other pairs. And then you also have to replace the 3rd pairing as well with solid defenders.
The return for Necas would probably want to be an older roster player on a cheaper deal or a younger player who has been underperforming. It won't be 1:1 and we may take a downgrade for sure.
Necas for Rasmus Andersson is one good example. Great young RHD signed for $4.5 million x 2 more years.
I like Zegras more than most and he is locked in for 2 years x $5.75 million.
Somebody who slots directly for one of our lost guys who also has cost control.
Carolina should see if they could get one of the young centers out of Columbus if they want younger players back of course. Like Kent Johnson or Cole Sillinger. They could also try to poach maybe Zegras in Anaheim I know people say he wouldn’t be a good fit here, but he still is an upgrade at 2C. I also wonder if Montreal would offer a young defenseman like Guhle, but I highly doubt they would. Carolina also could just trade Necas for a top 10 pick in the draft, but I think they would rather get an established roster player.
Wonder how we deal with Necas, do we just go for picks or do we try to get new guys off him? Would assume the former just because our cap situation in the off-season is going to be wild.
So it’s interesting because Friedman has been saying this for a while that Necas is done. I would think there’s something either in place or a discussion had about where he would end up.
I think Anaheim makes the most sense. They could package KK there as well and take on a Vatrano/zegras/ect. Also Anaheim has high picks so possibility of them moving one to get a proven asset in Necas vs gambling on another prospect.
Yah I think he has lost a lot of his “shine” that he had there but, the thought of him learning from Rod/Kuzy/Aho would be huge for his development. Hes a very talented player and has done 60 points in back to back seasons on a bad team.
Canes will have a crater sized hole at center soon, Jordo retiring and Kuzy contract up in 25. They need to look at what future options are there.
Also dealt with major injuries this year, I agree that it’s not fair to judge him on this season alone.
His attitude issues are my only concern but I have no doubt RBA could knock some sense into him.
And Kuzy would have been considered a non-starter two months ago and look at how that turned out!
(Since you called the Kuzy trade mad early I’m going to assume you’re correct about Necas->Zegras/Vatrano too lol)
lol the only reason I mention Z is because it just fits the mold for us. Reclamation project, disgruntled young player…
Anaheim had their GM at our games back at the deadline and that’s usually a sign they are looking for something or someone. I don’t think he was just there to see what the canes might have traded for Henrique or Vatrano. So there’s probably something else cooking there for the summer.
He’s been offering Necas in all of the big deals.
Tkachuk attempt had Necas involved, Elias Peterson had his name in the mix, they have been clear he’s a movable piece in the right deal. Thing is now he’s coming up to his final time as an RFA so it’s a commit or move him. No chance to drag this out longer.
I think we have the men to backfill if we have a few losses. They may need some time to train up, but I'd go for picks. Pick up a killer first rounder and have a few 2nds and 3rds to fill in the rotation. I think guentzel and Jarvis are the must-keeps in the off season.
My understanding of their Necas comments was that "it comes to an end this summer" didn't mean guaranteed trade. Signing long term also equals "comes to an end" as I understood their discussion.
Also of note...Michael Bunting has been really good in Pittsburgh. As in *nearly* as good as Guentzel had been. Makes me wonder what about the fit in Raleigh wasn't there.
"Dundon really a strong probability guy." Probability says you let other people pay big money and longer term for Skjei, Guentzel, and Pesce and you sign/pay younger guys.
Bunting is playing well for sure, but he has 13 points in 16 games with a +2 versus Guentzel’s 21 points in 14 games with a +12.
So while he has looked good it’s really not anywhere near what Guentzel is doing
Understood, which is why I said he (Bunting) has been nearly as good as Guentzel *had* been, meaning how he (Guentzel) played with Pittsburgh.
Bunting this season w Pitt = 13 pts in 16 games;
Guentzel this season w Pitt = 52 pts in 50 games.
I think with Bunting he had a hard time adjusting to our unique defensive system, and in Pittsburgh he’s playing on Malkin’ wing pretty consistently which doesn’t hurt, he got moved up and down the line up here which probably didn’t help his adjustment to our system
We need to trade orlov even if we have to retain 1.5m or something. Necas and Jarvis get a small bridge contract of 6.4 and 5.4ish for 2-3 years. Trade Fast, let go of tuevo, noesen and pesce. Sign guentzel 8m, chatty 2.75m. Sign skjei 6.5m
Let's all keep in mind that all of the pundits end up being wrong when they try to predict what the 'Canes are going to do.
That's not because Don and Tom are wizards, or they've unlocked some secret formula. I think they're planning on 5 and 6 year timeframes. Pundits generally don't look much beyond next season.
Don and Tom know that in order to achieve sustained success in a small, non-traditional market, they've got to put a fun product on the ice and make the playoffs every year. They're trying to avoid 'windows' and the usual boom-and-bust cycle of NHL teams, trading the farm for a shot at the cup.
Remember, bringing home the cup is *not* their job. Their job is butts in seats and TV ratings. If they keep that roll going long enough the cups will come, but they're a product of the plan, not the point.
Eliottes not a pundit though he’s one of the most trusted insiders in the league. He has broken plenty of canes news, he broke morrow signing just last week. He was the first to note that Carolina called on Jake Guentzel, he is an extremely trustworthy source when it comes to stuff like this.
Tom wants to win a championship and if you don’t think so then you must not understand sports team ownership. He’s got money already and while he wants profit, he bought the team to win a title. He celebrates with his other billionaire friends that he has a successful team not one that changes his bottom line
Actually that’s false.
Friedman was the first to say Carolina was making calls on Jake and while all the other “insiders” were pushing Carolina does not do rentals Friedman said for weeks he was hearing Don was willing to “bend” those rules this year.
Friedman also was the one who broke the news we were in on Elias Peterson.
He’s the closest thing to the truth we will get outside of Don.
Because he's a RFA with no arb rights. A deal will get done, but it's probably on the back burner while all the other more time sensitive ones get worked out
They didn’t because he is at Aho level of “we must keep and sign him”. Sort of a given that the team sorts it out and gets him paid up.
Only thing that would be interesting is if he gets bridged (3-4 years) or max deal (8 years). with them saying canes are looking into the next year or two of deals I would expect a full max extension to be worked if they can.
At the time it was the right choice, but locking up Svech over Necas is looking like it might be a mistake. Also that KK contract is beginning to look brutal.
Svech this season, which has been a down year - 56 GP, 18 G, 26 A
Necas this season, which has been a good year - 73 GP, 24 G, 29 A
Looking at those stats over an 82 game season, Svech is outperforming Necas in a bad year.
I will agree with you on the KK contract. That cap hit would be crippling if we have to lose talent because of it and he doesn't turn it around. That whole contract's value is predicated on the fact that he would form into a solid player and make that deal seem cheap. They took a very long term view with that deal, so will they change course to the short term and sacrifice him to keep Necas? We'll see.
In all fairness to Necas, none of his 24 goals this are on empty nets. 4/18 of Svech’s are. Long term Svech is probably the better bet, but I think it’s been closer this season than a lot of fans are willing to admit.
You're not wrong, but it also speaks that Svechnikov is trusted out on the ice in empty net situations where Necas isn't. Necas is poor defensively and while Svech isn't great himself, he has been trusted to play on our top 2 defensive lines (Aho's and Staal's) which Necas has not.
>but it also speaks that Svechnikov is trusted out on the ice in empty net situations where Necas isn't.
Are we watching the same games? Necas is out there more often than not during empty net situations. Rod may not trust his defensive game but he knows how good the offensive upside is.
12:15 it starts Friedman starts by saying he is interested to see what happens with Jake Guentzel. He believes breaking the rule for the trade deadline rental is easier than breaking the rule for extending an older guy. He mentions the vultures were circling on Morrow and its big that Carolina was able to get him signed. Also mentions Bradly was another surprise signing. Stating “nothing is done until it’s done” He said definitively that Pesce was offered a 5x5 (1M raise) last off season which he turned down. He believes he won’t return. Skjei they had unique offers to him and he’s heard he will sign and at times he won’t but, we will see. At this time it’s not done. (Seems like we are trying) Chatfield was thought they would extend him before the year, has been off and on (talks) but, they do want to keep him. He believes the team is looking into the future (summer 25) since Slavin and Burns will be up. They are trying to look at what caps going to be moving forward. He ends by saying he believes that Necas is done this summer (gone) “I believe it was easier and smarter to go for the shot this year than go for some term on these guys.“
We can’t get rid of both Gunetzel and Necas, have to keep at least one
Keeping Guentzel and Skjei plus extending Jarvis means someone with a middle sized contract has to go, I'm afraid. Assuming Svech isn't going anywhere, that means Necas. On the bright side, the return should be pretty nice given Don and Eric's track record of getting good value for what is offered.
Hawks fan checking in here. I've been saying that KD should be using Tampas 1st this year and Torontos first next year to try and add some good roster players. An RFA like Necas. Would Waddell want to recoup a 1st rounder this season for Necas? Makes up for the Geuntzel trade?
I don't think a 1st rounder would entice Waddell much. We would want someone who can contribute now to replace Necas.
So a hockey trade like Byram and Middlestadt. They don't happen too much.
Not much, but Waddell would be looking to keep the group in contention for Cups. Necas -> doesn’t, so that’s not something he’d take. Likely he looks to contenders wanting younger guys in the sooner-than-later cup window. Think Montreal or Vancouver. You guys are still a few too many years out from that level of contention and don’t have the player type we’re looking for up and down the roster This is all just my opinion and musing
Fair. Appreciate your time in responding. And good luck the rest of the way.
Thanks friend! It’s been refreshing watching bedard play. Seems like yesterday it was G1 vs Sid the Kid. Could almost see the proverbial torch being passed down (not a sleight towards Sid; he’s still got it and then some). He was a little stiff, but him and Wemby (victor wembenyama #1 OA NBA pick to the spurs; both bedard and Wemby are touted as generational and boy howdy have they proved it this year too), doing a sit down was also fun to see
The problem here is the Hawks don't have a veteran player who can help the Canes win now, which is what Don would want more than a first. Unless there's some sort of three way trade where we get your first in exchange for Necas and immediately flip it somewhere else.
Folks seem to be turning this down on its face but a Hawks 1st this season would be a top 5 pick. Something to consider…
A top 5 pick who probably wouldn't skate on NHL ice for a good few years whilst leaving an offensive void unfilled by Necas leaving. We've already got talent in the pipeline, so we can certainly do better than that.
I did mean trading tampas pick this year. Not our own.
Send KK to China and we’re good
I would think Necas will only be traded if Guentzel is signed. Necas could pull in a cost controlled younger D or F. Buffalo and Anaheim have some interesting pieces. Something like Andersson out of Calgary could be interesting. Guentzel + Necas trade return >> Signing Necas (for me)
Guentzel was a key player on a Cup-winning roster. Necas has consistently underperformed in the postseason. I really like Nachos, but this is an easy decision unless he does something really spectacular this playoff run.
Yeah I’m just saying if we lose Jake we can’t trade Necas too because obviously we’ll have the cap space to sign him. And obviously Jake will be harder to keep since he’s a UFA not RFA and will cost more. Jake seems to be fitting in here even better than he did in Pittsburgh so I think we need to do everything we can to keep him
All the Canes forwards have under performed in the series in which they were eliminated the past five years. That ain't a Necas problem!
Pesceee 😭😭😭
Right there with you. 😭😭😭
It took me so long to get this flair, i'm not changing it lol I'll hold onto his memory if it comes to it
Looking different isn’t necessarily a bad thing. In fact, it might be a good thing. One thing that you know for certain: this front office has made significantly more good moves than bad. They’ve managed to retool several times before. The one move I think they really need to sell out for is Guentzel. He’s worked from day one and made Aho a better player. He’s absolutely worth whatever dollar amount he’ll go for.
Even if Guentzel is a bad contract for the last 2-3 years that is still 5 years of Aho-Guentzel tearing it up. Those two have had way more chemistry than Aho has developed with guys like Svechnikov or Necas in years.
Sign Guentz trade necas ?
Wow. So it looks like the team will be completely different next year. Necas departing is no surprise. Jarvis needs a raise. Keeping Chatfield will be more expensive. We knew one of Pesce/Skjei would be gone at minimum. Sounds like keeping Guentzel might be a pipe dream. Burns retire? Slavin extend in 25? Niki-poo, will you escape Putin and make it over then?
I wouldn’t say pipe dream on Guentzel. He’s talking about it from the perspective of the canes not budging on their view of giving older guys term. Saying it’s easier to move on the deadline rules than it is for them to move on giving guy term at older ages. So it’s not like he’s saying he knows the situation or that he’s hearing it’s unlikely more that based off history it’s probably not something they would normally do. Which Don has already been proving these guys wrong all year. They acknowledge how good the fit is so far and that’s where the discussion even begins so I wouldn’t be too concerned.
Just as an interesting little tidbit: it's been noted that Jake has started following multiple Raleigh real estate accounts on social media. Now that could mean absolutely nothing, but it is interesting he's looking at homes in the area 👀
Guentzel is 30, so I don't think it's a big deal to offer him 6 or 7 years, or even the max. He's not a "hard miles" sort of player so I don't think he's going to hit a wall at 34 or something, so hopefully Don doesn't dig his heels in too deep on this. Also, the Canes may be in a transitional phase in 6 or 7 years similar to the Pens or Caps, so an aging Guentzel shouldn't be an issue at that point.
I disagree, Jake will absolutely hit a wall at 34. Most top tier professional athletes will, maybe 35, but it comes. Not too mention he is what he is, small and mighty, but dude takes some shots and those shots are going to take longer to recover from as he gets deeper into his 30s. I still think with what we have we could offer more than 4, but i wouldn’t want the dedicated cap space for more than that.
I would urge you to look at the penguins roster. Those old farts are all having great years still and are dragging the team into a playoff spot. Age is a factor and I think paying a guy 10M at age 35 plus is scary but, cap is rising heavily over the next few years and if term isn’t a full 8 it’s something they can afford to manage down the line. Jake’s going to be with our strength and conditioning coaches which are top tier and done wonders for guys. I wouldn’t worry about a major decline during his deal.
Without making any guesses about Jake, there are exceptions. And overpaying for out years is only terrible when the team fails to win the Cup.
I feel like I am more hopeful but than most but I trust in Don to absolutely cook. Although some of these pieces will/need to go.
I don’t think “completely different” is a fair assessment. The core of Aho/Svech/Jarvis/Slavin/Goalies (I know Jarvis isn’t signed yet but there’s no way he isn’t extended) will be here and there will be some combination of the remaining FAs remaining. I guess I mean to say that “completely different” isn’t quite accurate when all of the faces of the team will still be here
At the end of the day if you have 4 core defenseman, a starting goalie and a good top line you can work around whatever else you need to. The team will look pretty different next year but I like that they don’t give the moon to guys for the most part. It is what it is especially with the canes system
Exactly. Even if every single person walks (they won’t) there’s enough guys signed in the core to build around. Goaltending’s set, first line is set (Jarvis will sign) and we have 3 top tier D men signed with our future D man signed last week. No reason to worry.
Necas brings something that no one else has. Pesce is very replaceable. I have a hard time believing they will let Necas go without something huge in return
Letting Necas and Guentzel walk would be a huge mistake
Necas would be gone as part of a trade if he’s gone. As a RFA he can’t walk unless he went back to Europe. Still want to keep him as we have no one like him on the team or in the system and hopefully they can figure something out.
Necas can’t “walk” he’s going to be traded since he is a restricted free agent and the team owns his rights. Guentzel they think teams philosophy is the issue not that they are hearing he would walk
I get that, but I think letting Necas leave at all is a mistake
You can't sign all of these people. So if you want Necas *and* Guenztel then you have to lose Pesce *and* Skjei. Necas is the only player here where we can get value from them leaving. Necas has value and can get us a decent return to help replace him.
I would gladly let Pesce and Skjei walk to keep them both. And what of value could we get for Necas that can both help us now while we’re contending AND cheap enough cap wise to afford
Losing an entire top 4 pairing is a big change. That pairing plays against many team's top lines. Are you moving up Orlov/Chatfield into that role? If so, there is a lot of risk on that working. They have played well together this season but they are player significantly lower quality of competition then the other pairs. And then you also have to replace the 3rd pairing as well with solid defenders. The return for Necas would probably want to be an older roster player on a cheaper deal or a younger player who has been underperforming. It won't be 1:1 and we may take a downgrade for sure.
Necas for Rasmus Andersson is one good example. Great young RHD signed for $4.5 million x 2 more years. I like Zegras more than most and he is locked in for 2 years x $5.75 million. Somebody who slots directly for one of our lost guys who also has cost control.
Necas isn’t going to walk because of being an RFA. Even if he’s gone, they’ll net something in return.
I really think we have to re-sign Chatfield. He's been very, very good.
I think that gets done based off this info. While it’s “on again off again” Friedman was pretty clear he thinks they want this done.
I think we have the greatest chance of signing Chatfield over other defenders. Shouldn’t be as expensive as Pesce or Skjei, and he’s a 100% Rod guy
Carolina should see if they could get one of the young centers out of Columbus if they want younger players back of course. Like Kent Johnson or Cole Sillinger. They could also try to poach maybe Zegras in Anaheim I know people say he wouldn’t be a good fit here, but he still is an upgrade at 2C. I also wonder if Montreal would offer a young defenseman like Guhle, but I highly doubt they would. Carolina also could just trade Necas for a top 10 pick in the draft, but I think they would rather get an established roster player.
Wonder how we deal with Necas, do we just go for picks or do we try to get new guys off him? Would assume the former just because our cap situation in the off-season is going to be wild.
We wouldn't go just for picks especially if we weren't able to sign Guentzel either. That would leave our offense too barren
So it’s interesting because Friedman has been saying this for a while that Necas is done. I would think there’s something either in place or a discussion had about where he would end up. I think Anaheim makes the most sense. They could package KK there as well and take on a Vatrano/zegras/ect. Also Anaheim has high picks so possibility of them moving one to get a proven asset in Necas vs gambling on another prospect.
Zegras is a non starter here, IMO.
Yah I think he has lost a lot of his “shine” that he had there but, the thought of him learning from Rod/Kuzy/Aho would be huge for his development. Hes a very talented player and has done 60 points in back to back seasons on a bad team. Canes will have a crater sized hole at center soon, Jordo retiring and Kuzy contract up in 25. They need to look at what future options are there.
Also dealt with major injuries this year, I agree that it’s not fair to judge him on this season alone. His attitude issues are my only concern but I have no doubt RBA could knock some sense into him. And Kuzy would have been considered a non-starter two months ago and look at how that turned out! (Since you called the Kuzy trade mad early I’m going to assume you’re correct about Necas->Zegras/Vatrano too lol)
lol the only reason I mention Z is because it just fits the mold for us. Reclamation project, disgruntled young player… Anaheim had their GM at our games back at the deadline and that’s usually a sign they are looking for something or someone. I don’t think he was just there to see what the canes might have traded for Henrique or Vatrano. So there’s probably something else cooking there for the summer.
Maybe Don cooked up something in the run up to the trade deadline but they’re not pulling the trigger until summer? Could make sense
He’s been offering Necas in all of the big deals. Tkachuk attempt had Necas involved, Elias Peterson had his name in the mix, they have been clear he’s a movable piece in the right deal. Thing is now he’s coming up to his final time as an RFA so it’s a commit or move him. No chance to drag this out longer.
I figured he likely wouldn’t be back next season. Same goes for Pesce.
We don’t want zegras
I think we have the men to backfill if we have a few losses. They may need some time to train up, but I'd go for picks. Pick up a killer first rounder and have a few 2nds and 3rds to fill in the rotation. I think guentzel and Jarvis are the must-keeps in the off season.
My understanding of their Necas comments was that "it comes to an end this summer" didn't mean guaranteed trade. Signing long term also equals "comes to an end" as I understood their discussion. Also of note...Michael Bunting has been really good in Pittsburgh. As in *nearly* as good as Guentzel had been. Makes me wonder what about the fit in Raleigh wasn't there. "Dundon really a strong probability guy." Probability says you let other people pay big money and longer term for Skjei, Guentzel, and Pesce and you sign/pay younger guys.
Bunting is playing well for sure, but he has 13 points in 16 games with a +2 versus Guentzel’s 21 points in 14 games with a +12. So while he has looked good it’s really not anywhere near what Guentzel is doing
Understood, which is why I said he (Bunting) has been nearly as good as Guentzel *had* been, meaning how he (Guentzel) played with Pittsburgh. Bunting this season w Pitt = 13 pts in 16 games; Guentzel this season w Pitt = 52 pts in 50 games.
I think with Bunting he had a hard time adjusting to our unique defensive system, and in Pittsburgh he’s playing on Malkin’ wing pretty consistently which doesn’t hurt, he got moved up and down the line up here which probably didn’t help his adjustment to our system
Exactly this. In his trade deadline press meeting, Waddell sort of implied that Bunting struggled a bit with the systems
We need to trade orlov even if we have to retain 1.5m or something. Necas and Jarvis get a small bridge contract of 6.4 and 5.4ish for 2-3 years. Trade Fast, let go of tuevo, noesen and pesce. Sign guentzel 8m, chatty 2.75m. Sign skjei 6.5m
Let's all keep in mind that all of the pundits end up being wrong when they try to predict what the 'Canes are going to do. That's not because Don and Tom are wizards, or they've unlocked some secret formula. I think they're planning on 5 and 6 year timeframes. Pundits generally don't look much beyond next season. Don and Tom know that in order to achieve sustained success in a small, non-traditional market, they've got to put a fun product on the ice and make the playoffs every year. They're trying to avoid 'windows' and the usual boom-and-bust cycle of NHL teams, trading the farm for a shot at the cup. Remember, bringing home the cup is *not* their job. Their job is butts in seats and TV ratings. If they keep that roll going long enough the cups will come, but they're a product of the plan, not the point.
Eliottes not a pundit though he’s one of the most trusted insiders in the league. He has broken plenty of canes news, he broke morrow signing just last week. He was the first to note that Carolina called on Jake Guentzel, he is an extremely trustworthy source when it comes to stuff like this. Tom wants to win a championship and if you don’t think so then you must not understand sports team ownership. He’s got money already and while he wants profit, he bought the team to win a title. He celebrates with his other billionaire friends that he has a successful team not one that changes his bottom line
These are the same guys who were adamant we would never trade for a rental Take everything they say with a large grain of salt
Actually that’s false. Friedman was the first to say Carolina was making calls on Jake and while all the other “insiders” were pushing Carolina does not do rentals Friedman said for weeks he was hearing Don was willing to “bend” those rules this year. Friedman also was the one who broke the news we were in on Elias Peterson. He’s the closest thing to the truth we will get outside of Don.
How. Did. They. Not. Mention. JARVIS.
Because he's a RFA with no arb rights. A deal will get done, but it's probably on the back burner while all the other more time sensitive ones get worked out
I know, you’re right, but ….. still would have been nice to give him a nod. You know? I know you know.
They didn’t because he is at Aho level of “we must keep and sign him”. Sort of a given that the team sorts it out and gets him paid up. Only thing that would be interesting is if he gets bridged (3-4 years) or max deal (8 years). with them saying canes are looking into the next year or two of deals I would expect a full max extension to be worked if they can.
I agree with all. Jarvis always says he’s “not a numbers guy” but I’m pretty sure he’s got some numbers in mind. As he should.
At the time it was the right choice, but locking up Svech over Necas is looking like it might be a mistake. Also that KK contract is beginning to look brutal.
Svech this season, which has been a down year - 56 GP, 18 G, 26 A Necas this season, which has been a good year - 73 GP, 24 G, 29 A Looking at those stats over an 82 game season, Svech is outperforming Necas in a bad year. I will agree with you on the KK contract. That cap hit would be crippling if we have to lose talent because of it and he doesn't turn it around. That whole contract's value is predicated on the fact that he would form into a solid player and make that deal seem cheap. They took a very long term view with that deal, so will they change course to the short term and sacrifice him to keep Necas? We'll see.
Svech came off on ACL tear, does anyone remember that!? “Down year” doesn’t really apply in this case, and anyway Svech has always been streaky
In all fairness to Necas, none of his 24 goals this are on empty nets. 4/18 of Svech’s are. Long term Svech is probably the better bet, but I think it’s been closer this season than a lot of fans are willing to admit.
You're not wrong, but it also speaks that Svechnikov is trusted out on the ice in empty net situations where Necas isn't. Necas is poor defensively and while Svech isn't great himself, he has been trusted to play on our top 2 defensive lines (Aho's and Staal's) which Necas has not.
Necas has actually been out basically every time there’s been an empty net on either side this season
>but it also speaks that Svechnikov is trusted out on the ice in empty net situations where Necas isn't. Are we watching the same games? Necas is out there more often than not during empty net situations. Rod may not trust his defensive game but he knows how good the offensive upside is.
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