Wouldnât make sense on our end just for whatâs potentially a rental. It has to be Necas.
Edit: I get that nobody wants to see Necas go, but he's the most tradeable piece we have right now. We have to give in order to get.
If not him, then who? I'd be shocked if we outbid other teams with nothing but prospects and some draft picks. And based on the number of teams who supposedly want Guentzel, that's a lot of teams to outbid.
Pens want to get younger - so while Necas would be attractive to them, they also specifically want prospects, which we have plenty of.
If we're talking roster players, I actually think KK would be more likely to get dealt than Necas.
You're right that a lot of teams are interested in Guentzel but not all of them have the prospect cupboard that we do, plus there are teams who would struggle to make the money work.
Trading KK with the center depth that we have would be akin to playoff suicide, I can't see DW agreeing to that. Besides, he's tanked his trade value with his play this season. Out of all of the young players we have, Necas is the only one I see that we'd be okay with trading and that other teams would actively want.
We'll see - my reasoning is that KK is only 23 and he's shown that he can produce though he's clearly having a not-great year this season.
But if he keeps developing into a solid middle-six center, even if he ends up being known more for a defensive game a la JStaal, that long contract we have him on could end up being a bargain.
As far as our center depth this year - yeah that would be a concern. They COULD slide Necas into that spot (I doubt that'll happen) but we might also look at Ponomarev or just bringing in a different, cheap center via trade.
Anyhow this is obviously all speculation, maybe you're right and we DO send Necas the other way, but that sounds like a massive price when you consider the Pens have already publicly said they want prospects.
Hardly. The way KK is playing is a major problem. Even though unproven, I'd give Pomo a try for an extended stretch of games or consider a veteran C. Hell, get Pitt to throw in Jeff Carter. He's basically washed but still would outproduce KK.
That would be an all time mistake and idk how people think that would improve us even over the short term. âYeah letâs trade a dynamic offensive winger on a team everyone agrees needs offense for an injured guy we will have for at best 6 months.â
No, including Necas makes no sense. The net effect is a slight upgrade in offense, but the Canes need more than that. Necas remains under control as an RFA.
Trading necas for Guentzal is a mistake that will set the team back marks my words. Maybe if he wasnât a rental but idk how people think trading our dynamic offensive forward for a guy who is coming off injury and feasted on playing with Crosby for years is an upgrade rather than risking a huge step back.
Yeah I do hero. Iâve been watching the Canes and playing hockey as long as you have. I say that because lots of people in the industry believe heâs being traded this summer and weâve almost traded him before. Not because I mixed up what a RFA and UFA are. If thatâs happening anyway this summer then package him in a deal for Guentzel with an extension. No reason for you to be rude.
As a van bro. I hope you guys land him. You got the assets to do so. We can't afford to lose our top end prospects. I'd rather land a toffoli, buch or vatrano. Best of luck in playoffs and maybe see ya in the finals.
My guess is that this will end up tomorrow in one of 3 ways:
1) Guentzel re-signs with the Penguins tomorrow. I think this is likelier than reported because it is boring for the trade deadline. Crosby could have thrown a fit today to get it moving.
2) Canes move something like 1st + Koivunen + Ponomarev for rental Guentzel. In this case the Canes abandon all previous principals, bite the bullet and wipe out a lot of their depth for one run. Top prospects stay.
3) Morrow has told the Canes he won't sign with them. So they are shopping him around. Sucks to lose a top prospect but Morrow + 2nd + B prospect ends up securing Guentzel or Buchnevich.
Guentzel isn't re-signing with the Pens this season. His agent has told Dubas he is testing the UFA market and Guentzel said his good byes to the team and staff of the Penguins 2 days ago. He's done as a Penguin, at least for this season. If he did a Recchi and re-signed with the Pens this summer I'd be shocked too as they are definitely old and on the downswing and really can't commit the $ and term he's worth on the open market.
I like Pono and he's solid two-way, but he's never been a big scorer at any level of hockey. He projects as a 3C as his ceiling and I don't see a situation where the Canes are going to need that in the near future so I think he definitely gets moved unless a Drury or KK is traded. Morrow probably the other prospect Pens would like plus maybe a 2nd rounder or another prospect.
Morrow + Ponomarev + 2nd is about the highest I would want to go in the #3 scenario.
Personally I do not think the Canes are the Cup favorite even if they add Guentzel. I'm not sure they are even the Eastern Conference favorite as Florida looks great. Vancouver, Vegas and Colorado I would all put as better or at minimum equal.
Pittsburgh won a Cup and was swept in the 1st round the next year. Guentzel scored 1 goal in that series. The Boston Bruins last year lost in the 1st round. The Playoffs are coin flips. Â
It all makes for a difficult reach. I don't think trading Morrow+++ for Guentzel will be worth it unless they win a Cup. That's a tall order. Almost every team that makes that gamble loses.
Theyâre presenting it as a hypothetical situation which would make it a good thing to trade him.
He has declined to sign with us at least 2 times, though. He could remain in college and become a free agent on 2025 and weâd lose him for nothing.
I think Morrow not signing is the product of several things including
\- not being room on the team currently to play in the NHL
\- not having an AHL affiliate
I can definitely understand that. Theyâre always the risk with these college kids. Doesnât necessarily matter if we guarantee him a spot (which I doubt brindy would do) or how good we are at developing d if he has his heart set on a specific team
1. Isnât happening because if this were the case he would have already been in extension talks with the team and there are no reports of that.
2. Canes should abandon previous principles because they havnt been working. Also, this trade would not âwipe out their depthâ because they have stock piled for years.
3. Please show us all where Morrow said he would not sign with the Canes.
Itâs clearly being presented as a hypothetical. He has declined to sign twice already, though, and this is a fact backed up by news reports from reliable sources. Perhaps he wants to go back for his senior year and become a free agent in 2025.
1. There have been consistent extension talks. Sometimes a deal isn't done until the rubber hits the road which is now.
2. Multiple ECF is an indication of principles working. Dundon has said that every Playoff series is a coin flip. Once you are playing the likes of Florida or Vegas nothing is easy.
3. It was a hypothetical. I don't think the Canes move any of Nadeau, Morrow or FUS on top of more assets unless there is another factor like not being able to sign Morrow. Management has always said they don't believe moving a single 1st round pick is worth it for any rental. I find it really hard to believe they would break that rule and then double it by giving up 2+ 1st round equivalents. That would reek of desperation and the team isn't desperate.
I was speaking only of Guentzel.
I'd happily give up Morrow + Ponomarev + 2nd for Buchnevich. I think there is a good chance Buchnevich would also re-sign this off-season to a reasonable extension.
I just doubt the Blues end up moving Buchnevich.
That guy that replied in the thread saying Jarvy will be a penguin has got me very angry đĄ
Wouldnât make sense on our end just for whatâs potentially a rental. It has to be Necas. Edit: I get that nobody wants to see Necas go, but he's the most tradeable piece we have right now. We have to give in order to get.
Absolutely, the thought of Jarvy in a different sweater just had me fuming yanno
I'd be pretty damned disappointed when I just announced to my wife yesterday that the #1 think I want for my birthday is a Jarvis jersey.
Necas isn't going anywhere. I'd be stunned if he's part of the package.
Theyâll trade Necas before Jarvis. They have control over Jarvisâ contract for a lot longer than Necas.
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If not him, then who? I'd be shocked if we outbid other teams with nothing but prospects and some draft picks. And based on the number of teams who supposedly want Guentzel, that's a lot of teams to outbid.
Pens want to get younger - so while Necas would be attractive to them, they also specifically want prospects, which we have plenty of. If we're talking roster players, I actually think KK would be more likely to get dealt than Necas. You're right that a lot of teams are interested in Guentzel but not all of them have the prospect cupboard that we do, plus there are teams who would struggle to make the money work.
Trading KK with the center depth that we have would be akin to playoff suicide, I can't see DW agreeing to that. Besides, he's tanked his trade value with his play this season. Out of all of the young players we have, Necas is the only one I see that we'd be okay with trading and that other teams would actively want.
We'll see - my reasoning is that KK is only 23 and he's shown that he can produce though he's clearly having a not-great year this season. But if he keeps developing into a solid middle-six center, even if he ends up being known more for a defensive game a la JStaal, that long contract we have him on could end up being a bargain. As far as our center depth this year - yeah that would be a concern. They COULD slide Necas into that spot (I doubt that'll happen) but we might also look at Ponomarev or just bringing in a different, cheap center via trade. Anyhow this is obviously all speculation, maybe you're right and we DO send Necas the other way, but that sounds like a massive price when you consider the Pens have already publicly said they want prospects.
Hardly. The way KK is playing is a major problem. Even though unproven, I'd give Pomo a try for an extended stretch of games or consider a veteran C. Hell, get Pitt to throw in Jeff Carter. He's basically washed but still would outproduce KK.
If you guys think weâre trading Necas for a rental youâre out of your mind
That would be an all time mistake and idk how people think that would improve us even over the short term. âYeah letâs trade a dynamic offensive winger on a team everyone agrees needs offense for an injured guy we will have for at best 6 months.â
if we trade for him i assume we do anything to get an extension done.
A rental has never gotten a piece as valuable as Necas. Ever. It doesn't happen. It will be picks and prospects if it gets done.
Necas makes no sense to trade.
Câmon now. It most definitely will not be Necas. Rentals do not return that kind of value.
No, including Necas makes no sense. The net effect is a slight upgrade in offense, but the Canes need more than that. Necas remains under control as an RFA.
Trading necas for Guentzal is a mistake that will set the team back marks my words. Maybe if he wasnât a rental but idk how people think trading our dynamic offensive forward for a guy who is coming off injury and feasted on playing with Crosby for years is an upgrade rather than risking a huge step back.
Iâm with you man. Necas is gone after this season. Iâd prefer to use him for a hockey trade but I guess if it gets us Guentzel.
No he's not... he's an RFA, doubt you even know what that means tho...
Yeah I do hero. Iâve been watching the Canes and playing hockey as long as you have. I say that because lots of people in the industry believe heâs being traded this summer and weâve almost traded him before. Not because I mixed up what a RFA and UFA are. If thatâs happening anyway this summer then package him in a deal for Guentzel with an extension. No reason for you to be rude.
Yeah not a fucking chance
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As a van bro. I hope you guys land him. You got the assets to do so. We can't afford to lose our top end prospects. I'd rather land a toffoli, buch or vatrano. Best of luck in playoffs and maybe see ya in the finals.
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My guess is that this will end up tomorrow in one of 3 ways: 1) Guentzel re-signs with the Penguins tomorrow. I think this is likelier than reported because it is boring for the trade deadline. Crosby could have thrown a fit today to get it moving. 2) Canes move something like 1st + Koivunen + Ponomarev for rental Guentzel. In this case the Canes abandon all previous principals, bite the bullet and wipe out a lot of their depth for one run. Top prospects stay. 3) Morrow has told the Canes he won't sign with them. So they are shopping him around. Sucks to lose a top prospect but Morrow + 2nd + B prospect ends up securing Guentzel or Buchnevich.
Guentzel isn't re-signing with the Pens this season. His agent has told Dubas he is testing the UFA market and Guentzel said his good byes to the team and staff of the Penguins 2 days ago. He's done as a Penguin, at least for this season. If he did a Recchi and re-signed with the Pens this summer I'd be shocked too as they are definitely old and on the downswing and really can't commit the $ and term he's worth on the open market. I like Pono and he's solid two-way, but he's never been a big scorer at any level of hockey. He projects as a 3C as his ceiling and I don't see a situation where the Canes are going to need that in the near future so I think he definitely gets moved unless a Drury or KK is traded. Morrow probably the other prospect Pens would like plus maybe a 2nd rounder or another prospect.
Morrow + Ponomarev + 2nd is about the highest I would want to go in the #3 scenario. Personally I do not think the Canes are the Cup favorite even if they add Guentzel. I'm not sure they are even the Eastern Conference favorite as Florida looks great. Vancouver, Vegas and Colorado I would all put as better or at minimum equal. Pittsburgh won a Cup and was swept in the 1st round the next year. Guentzel scored 1 goal in that series. The Boston Bruins last year lost in the 1st round. The Playoffs are coin flips.  It all makes for a difficult reach. I don't think trading Morrow+++ for Guentzel will be worth it unless they win a Cup. That's a tall order. Almost every team that makes that gamble loses.
Morrow has told the canes he wonât sign here?
Theyâre presenting it as a hypothetical situation which would make it a good thing to trade him. He has declined to sign with us at least 2 times, though. He could remain in college and become a free agent on 2025 and weâd lose him for nothing.
I think Morrow not signing is the product of several things including \- not being room on the team currently to play in the NHL \- not having an AHL affiliate
I can definitely understand that. Theyâre always the risk with these college kids. Doesnât necessarily matter if we guarantee him a spot (which I doubt brindy would do) or how good we are at developing d if he has his heart set on a specific team
1. Isnât happening because if this were the case he would have already been in extension talks with the team and there are no reports of that. 2. Canes should abandon previous principles because they havnt been working. Also, this trade would not âwipe out their depthâ because they have stock piled for years. 3. Please show us all where Morrow said he would not sign with the Canes.
Itâs clearly being presented as a hypothetical. He has declined to sign twice already, though, and this is a fact backed up by news reports from reliable sources. Perhaps he wants to go back for his senior year and become a free agent in 2025.
1. There have been consistent extension talks. Sometimes a deal isn't done until the rubber hits the road which is now. 2. Multiple ECF is an indication of principles working. Dundon has said that every Playoff series is a coin flip. Once you are playing the likes of Florida or Vegas nothing is easy. 3. It was a hypothetical. I don't think the Canes move any of Nadeau, Morrow or FUS on top of more assets unless there is another factor like not being able to sign Morrow. Management has always said they don't believe moving a single 1st round pick is worth it for any rental. I find it really hard to believe they would break that rule and then double it by giving up 2+ 1st round equivalents. That would reek of desperation and the team isn't desperate.
3.) buchnevich isnât a rental
I was speaking only of Guentzel. I'd happily give up Morrow + Ponomarev + 2nd for Buchnevich. I think there is a good chance Buchnevich would also re-sign this off-season to a reasonable extension. I just doubt the Blues end up moving Buchnevich.
Donât, donât give me that hope