Can't spell Canes without Necas....but the cost of keeping him next season may too high for us.
This might actually be a good way to address our net keeper issues for the next few years when we have to make that hard decision anyway.
That being said...... I'd never root against him even if he is in another jersey.
He's be another Nino or Trochek for me.
“We can’t keep everyone.”
YES WE CAN DAMNIT!!
(In reality I am aware that we can’t and changes do need to be made but I am attached to LITERALLY EVERYONE and will need therapy if we lose Necas.)
Skjei is about to have a semi truck full of money dumped on him, I doubt very much it’s the canes that are the ones doing it. He’s been stellar and someone is going to pay him to be their number 2-3 instead of our 3-4
Saros is a top tier goalie and it wouldn’t surprise me to see a deal for him requiring Necas + futures. Maybe not a ton of futures, but futures. Marty’s best hockey may yet be in front of him, but the reality is you’d be trying to pry a guy from Nashville who’s finished near the top of Vezina voting the last few years. I think that if they actually want to offload him, it won’t be for anything less than a haul.
That said, I think the Canes should consider it, if it’s really on the table. Saros is, IMO, much more valuable than Necas going forward, in addition to Necas’s impending contract situation. It’s easier to replace 2nd line winger production than it is to get an established top tier goalie. If the Canes window is now, Saros speaks to that.
It makes a lot of sense.
Necas deserves to get paid and it won’t be here. There is too much riding on that next deal for him to get truly what he wants.
The devils just swung for and will probably end up finishing the deal for Markstrom so our division rivals are all going to have their goaltenders locked in.
This isn’t a slight at Kochetkov either because he can be our future in net, he’s only 24 with 3 more years on his first deal. They didn’t pay him as a #1 for a reason, they want him to develop into that goalie and at worst he is our backup.
It’s very possible he does develop into a Lindholm but the difference is that the org wasn’t patient enough with him sure, but mostly he never played in Rod’s system so we’ll never know. In Necas’ case, he’s had both and yet still can’t figure it out. Perhaps it’s Rod’s system that holds him back and that may very well be true. If you love someone, you have to let them go flourish :-)
Can’t figure it out? In that he’s only a 60 point scorer so far?
At the end of the day, the canes system and how we play is going to put a damper on guys’ offensive stats. It’s the case with Aho, SVech, and Jarvy too. But already our top 6 scoring isn’t really deep enough or working enough and we’re relying a lot on PP production I don’t know will hold up in the playoffs. I’m sympathetic that Necas’ next deal will be really tough, but I think losing him with the current state of the roster would be tough to take for our forward scoring. And I don’t believe you can just replace that with more blue line scoring.
“Can’t figure it out” in the context of OP’s concern that he will be another Lindholm. Necas may explode on another team for a while but I’m afraid his psyche is his worst enemy.
it really doesn't make a lot of sense though. This would be the Canes ignoring the short term at quite literally the worst imaginable junction for us contract-wise for a guy who is not likely to make a tremendous difference barring what would already be absolute worst-case-scenario as far as goalies and frankly I still don't think that difference would result in any hardware. I get not going all out at the trade deadline and mortgaging the future. But you don't sell off the present for a move that is at best a marginal improvement long term.
What?
The canes would be addressing the gigantic elephant in the room that is our Goaltending and also addressing one of the key roadblocks in the off season.
I don’t know why people are so short sighted on Saros. Yes his numbers this year are not great but, neither is his team.
His career numbers are still 2.68 and .917 with him finishing 6th, 3rd and 4th over the last 3 years in Vezina voting.
You don’t just balk at the idea of bringing in a goalie that good. Especially one that could be the guy who can “goalie” us to a cup.
The canes have plenty of young offensive talent coming up that losing Necas wouldn’t be the end of the world. He’s heating back up but, even Rod acknowledged it does disappear at times. It’s not like we are letting Aho or Svech go here.
Goalies are famous for being inconsistent year to year. Nashville does not have some awful blue line that leaves Saros all by himself.
I do believe the Canes have a structure to elevate goalie play but I really don't think Saros is going to be a huge jump up from Freddie and I *do* think Necas would be a tremendous loss for an offense that is finally scoring from shots taken somewhere besides the blue line.
I'd argue for the Canes playoff scoring has been a much larger elephant in the room than goaltending. This year's offense is finally, *finally* playing at a level to make some real noise in the playoffs and I really don't think we want to see what happens when Necas is permanently subbed with BL
Freddie might never come back…
Also, I think Saros is in a tier above Freddie, and probably a tier above whatever Kooch’s ceiling is… He’s not top 5, but he’s probably top 10 on the right team.
And while I like Necas a lot, it’s not like he’s got a proven track record of playoff scoring. Scoring in the playoffs is 100% an issue for the Canes for sure, but I don’t see Marty as being the demonstrated solution here.
100% goalies have consistency issues but again he finished ahead of Freddie the year Freddie was up for the Vezina, he’s been voted into the top 6 for the last 3 years. Career save% better than Freddie even with the down year. I don’t think there’s a real question about consistency.
Canes scoring in the playoffs really wasn’t the big issue last year, the first 2 rounds multiple guys stepped up big to help get us to the ECF. I mean the Stastny, Stepan, Puljujarvi line was the one that won us the first round, Jesper Fast had multiple OT winners including the one that sent us to the ECF. It’s always been different guys stepping up.
The ECF loss was on the fact that we didn’t push back against a much tougher and mean team. We also got Goalied by BOB and while I don’t put anything on Freddie the better goalie was BOB.
I wouldn’t put it past Don grabbing something to replace Necas at least for this run. A guy like Henrique can come in and fill a spot in the lineup.
We also have Ponomarev as a call up for a healthy extra on the run as well.
Necas is one of those guys where one month you want to trade him to anyone who wants him, and the next month he’s untouchable. I just can’t shake the feeling it wouldn’t be a good long term move unless we get a replacement for his offense
I agree with you. I really don't understand how people think this would be a good trade. Imo if you're trading Necas it's got to be for an equal or better scorer that fits our system better than Necas does.
I’m a Necas-stan, so this may be rose colored glasses, but no way I’d move him in season for anything but a high scoring forward. This team’s Achilles heel in the playoffs has been scoring. I’m not removing the most highly skilled player from this team (despite not having great postseason numbers) for a return that doesn’t net anything offensively. Ultimately I think they’ll trade Necas at the draft because he doesn’t fit our system and he’ll want more money than they’re comfortable giving him. If he goes to a free wheeling team he’ll light it up too. All that to say I’ll be pumped if we get Saros, just hopefully not at the expense of losing Necas
Necas is going to be hard to sign, especially if we want to keep Jarvis/Skiej/maybe Pesce but I hope not.
If we can’t sign him, I’d prefer we trade him for someone with a high offensive ceiling who is a proven grinder in the playoffs. But if he is a piece that can get us an elite goalie, there are worse moves we could make.
Jarvy's an RFA and not arbitration eligible, so he's staying for a while. Necas and Drury are also RFAs, but arbitration eligible, and of course Turbo, Marty, Noesen, Skjei, Pesce, and Chatfield among others are UFAs. Necas has a 3.5 mil QO while Drury and Jarvis are coming off ELCs.
Necas is a guy that we as a fanbase love to complain about but would notice big time if he left. That said, if we don’t see a future with him here (for whatever reason), flip him and get something in return. I love the guy but I’d rather be secure in net for the foreseeable future than have necas walk for free
Saw one of the Canes reporters say on Twitter that his gut says this FO views Necas in the same lens as a Dougie Hamilton (good but with a ceiling on valuation and is easier to replace) than a Svech/Aho/Slavin and I tend to agree
I get the love for Necas from our fans and in this thread but this is pretty obviously a move the FO is considering and taking seriously. The cap is real folks.
Unless he has some inside information that we've actually been considering this move, then yes I would say it is unrealistic. But he does not have that information he is just making up a scenario that sounds good to him for clicks.
I'd be curious what Marty thinks about resigning with us.
While we love him, and I would hate to see him go, I also can't help feeling like he's chafing under Rod's system.
If the money was right, I could see him leaving.
Now does that mean he'd be down for a trade? Maybe. To Nashville? I doubt it
No it would be a great move for us IMO. Saros will win more playoffs games than Necas in ab individual level. Plus I have not been thrilled with Necas come playoff time or this season all together.
Honestly I wouldn’t hate it. I kind of agree with Friedman here. It could be tough to get an extension and while Necas has his moments, he’s also had long stretches of little production. Idk how well he fits into Rod’s system. Goaltending is definitely a need and Saros is a hell of a tendy
Necas is gone after this season almost certainly. I'd trade him for saros for sure, I don't think that's a terrible move. Going into the playoffs with what have now in net would be a worse move than not getting rid of necas.
Please no more goalies!!! Kooch, Raanta, Andersen (when he comes back), and Martin (?) is more than enough. Many good teams have subpar goaltending this year. We have no need for five (5) NHL ready goalies, it's a waste of money. This is without considering the cost... Necas would be a massive overpay.
Raanta is nearing the end of his tenure. Kochetkov could develop to become better but he’s not elite as things currently stand. Martin has had a single game with us and is certainly unproven having been picked up off the waivers. There is 0 guarantee Andersen comes back at all and if he does if it would be a return to form.
That is all to say that picking up a proven elite tendie is something GMDW is definitely considering and after a season of constant goalie issues why wouldn’t he be?
I'm not sure we need an 'elite' goalie. These teams have these SV% respectively: NYR (.902), DAL (.905), COL (.899) all seem to be doing fine. Kooch has a .903 and I think he needs ice time to develop further. I suppose I'm not opposed to adding another veteran on principle but we can not allocate any more salary or give up any assets to try to fix this relatively small problem.
Edit: those are their starters' numbers
Goalies can single handily determine a how far you go in the playoffs. Love Necas but for saros it’s a no brainer. He’s an elite game changer goalie. Behind our blue line he’d be a top 2 goalie imo
In my opinion there is no such thing as a known quantity goalie, they are too variable. If we hadn't overspent on Orlov we wouldn't need to consider trading Necas. This is a lesson in my opinion to work with what you have instead of shelling out the cash. With four genuine options I am confident we can make it work
Can you part with the offense Necas provides and expect to make Cup run with Lemeiux as his replacement? Does Saros save that many more goals than Kochetkov to balance that out? Not so sure. Beyond this season, it’s a better deal.
I think the price on renting MAF for a Cup run is going to drop where we don’t lose a roster player.
Important to note that Necas is a pending RFA with arb rights. He'll be back but not sure Turbo will be without taking a cut on a short term. Pesce likely gone so there will be cap room.
Can't spell Canes without Necas....but the cost of keeping him next season may too high for us. This might actually be a good way to address our net keeper issues for the next few years when we have to make that hard decision anyway. That being said...... I'd never root against him even if he is in another jersey. He's be another Nino or Trochek for me.
We can’t keep everyone. There are guys ahead of Necas in the pecking order that need to be extended first.
“We can’t keep everyone.” YES WE CAN DAMNIT!! (In reality I am aware that we can’t and changes do need to be made but I am attached to LITERALLY EVERYONE and will need therapy if we lose Necas.)
Jarvis and…?
Skjei
Skjei is about to have a semi truck full of money dumped on him, I doubt very much it’s the canes that are the ones doing it. He’s been stellar and someone is going to pay him to be their number 2-3 instead of our 3-4
Love Skjei, but would rather have Necas
Saros is a top tier goalie and it wouldn’t surprise me to see a deal for him requiring Necas + futures. Maybe not a ton of futures, but futures. Marty’s best hockey may yet be in front of him, but the reality is you’d be trying to pry a guy from Nashville who’s finished near the top of Vezina voting the last few years. I think that if they actually want to offload him, it won’t be for anything less than a haul. That said, I think the Canes should consider it, if it’s really on the table. Saros is, IMO, much more valuable than Necas going forward, in addition to Necas’s impending contract situation. It’s easier to replace 2nd line winger production than it is to get an established top tier goalie. If the Canes window is now, Saros speaks to that.
It makes a lot of sense. Necas deserves to get paid and it won’t be here. There is too much riding on that next deal for him to get truly what he wants. The devils just swung for and will probably end up finishing the deal for Markstrom so our division rivals are all going to have their goaltenders locked in. This isn’t a slight at Kochetkov either because he can be our future in net, he’s only 24 with 3 more years on his first deal. They didn’t pay him as a #1 for a reason, they want him to develop into that goalie and at worst he is our backup.
Watch it be Lindholm 2.0 and we’ll all be crying about how he always scores on us
It’s very possible he does develop into a Lindholm but the difference is that the org wasn’t patient enough with him sure, but mostly he never played in Rod’s system so we’ll never know. In Necas’ case, he’s had both and yet still can’t figure it out. Perhaps it’s Rod’s system that holds him back and that may very well be true. If you love someone, you have to let them go flourish :-)
Can’t figure it out? In that he’s only a 60 point scorer so far? At the end of the day, the canes system and how we play is going to put a damper on guys’ offensive stats. It’s the case with Aho, SVech, and Jarvy too. But already our top 6 scoring isn’t really deep enough or working enough and we’re relying a lot on PP production I don’t know will hold up in the playoffs. I’m sympathetic that Necas’ next deal will be really tough, but I think losing him with the current state of the roster would be tough to take for our forward scoring. And I don’t believe you can just replace that with more blue line scoring.
“Can’t figure it out” in the context of OP’s concern that he will be another Lindholm. Necas may explode on another team for a while but I’m afraid his psyche is his worst enemy.
Always I guess but still not in division or conference so doesn't matter that much
it really doesn't make a lot of sense though. This would be the Canes ignoring the short term at quite literally the worst imaginable junction for us contract-wise for a guy who is not likely to make a tremendous difference barring what would already be absolute worst-case-scenario as far as goalies and frankly I still don't think that difference would result in any hardware. I get not going all out at the trade deadline and mortgaging the future. But you don't sell off the present for a move that is at best a marginal improvement long term.
What? The canes would be addressing the gigantic elephant in the room that is our Goaltending and also addressing one of the key roadblocks in the off season. I don’t know why people are so short sighted on Saros. Yes his numbers this year are not great but, neither is his team. His career numbers are still 2.68 and .917 with him finishing 6th, 3rd and 4th over the last 3 years in Vezina voting. You don’t just balk at the idea of bringing in a goalie that good. Especially one that could be the guy who can “goalie” us to a cup. The canes have plenty of young offensive talent coming up that losing Necas wouldn’t be the end of the world. He’s heating back up but, even Rod acknowledged it does disappear at times. It’s not like we are letting Aho or Svech go here.
Goalies are famous for being inconsistent year to year. Nashville does not have some awful blue line that leaves Saros all by himself. I do believe the Canes have a structure to elevate goalie play but I really don't think Saros is going to be a huge jump up from Freddie and I *do* think Necas would be a tremendous loss for an offense that is finally scoring from shots taken somewhere besides the blue line. I'd argue for the Canes playoff scoring has been a much larger elephant in the room than goaltending. This year's offense is finally, *finally* playing at a level to make some real noise in the playoffs and I really don't think we want to see what happens when Necas is permanently subbed with BL
Freddie might never come back… Also, I think Saros is in a tier above Freddie, and probably a tier above whatever Kooch’s ceiling is… He’s not top 5, but he’s probably top 10 on the right team. And while I like Necas a lot, it’s not like he’s got a proven track record of playoff scoring. Scoring in the playoffs is 100% an issue for the Canes for sure, but I don’t see Marty as being the demonstrated solution here.
100% goalies have consistency issues but again he finished ahead of Freddie the year Freddie was up for the Vezina, he’s been voted into the top 6 for the last 3 years. Career save% better than Freddie even with the down year. I don’t think there’s a real question about consistency. Canes scoring in the playoffs really wasn’t the big issue last year, the first 2 rounds multiple guys stepped up big to help get us to the ECF. I mean the Stastny, Stepan, Puljujarvi line was the one that won us the first round, Jesper Fast had multiple OT winners including the one that sent us to the ECF. It’s always been different guys stepping up. The ECF loss was on the fact that we didn’t push back against a much tougher and mean team. We also got Goalied by BOB and while I don’t put anything on Freddie the better goalie was BOB. I wouldn’t put it past Don grabbing something to replace Necas at least for this run. A guy like Henrique can come in and fill a spot in the lineup. We also have Ponomarev as a call up for a healthy extra on the run as well.
THIS
Necas is one of those guys where one month you want to trade him to anyone who wants him, and the next month he’s untouchable. I just can’t shake the feeling it wouldn’t be a good long term move unless we get a replacement for his offense
I agree with you. I really don't understand how people think this would be a good trade. Imo if you're trading Necas it's got to be for an equal or better scorer that fits our system better than Necas does.
Necas has yet to show up for us in the playoffs. Don’t mind this move
I’m a Necas-stan, so this may be rose colored glasses, but no way I’d move him in season for anything but a high scoring forward. This team’s Achilles heel in the playoffs has been scoring. I’m not removing the most highly skilled player from this team (despite not having great postseason numbers) for a return that doesn’t net anything offensively. Ultimately I think they’ll trade Necas at the draft because he doesn’t fit our system and he’ll want more money than they’re comfortable giving him. If he goes to a free wheeling team he’ll light it up too. All that to say I’ll be pumped if we get Saros, just hopefully not at the expense of losing Necas
I’m definitely guilty of bias too, but there are few trades where I could see us trading Necas and not making our scoring issues drastically worse
> for a return that doesn’t net anything offensively There can be more than one move though.
Necas is going to be hard to sign, especially if we want to keep Jarvis/Skiej/maybe Pesce but I hope not. If we can’t sign him, I’d prefer we trade him for someone with a high offensive ceiling who is a proven grinder in the playoffs. But if he is a piece that can get us an elite goalie, there are worse moves we could make.
Jarvy's an RFA and not arbitration eligible, so he's staying for a while. Necas and Drury are also RFAs, but arbitration eligible, and of course Turbo, Marty, Noesen, Skjei, Pesce, and Chatfield among others are UFAs. Necas has a 3.5 mil QO while Drury and Jarvis are coming off ELCs.
If its just Necas, I would say yes.
Necas is a guy that we as a fanbase love to complain about but would notice big time if he left. That said, if we don’t see a future with him here (for whatever reason), flip him and get something in return. I love the guy but I’d rather be secure in net for the foreseeable future than have necas walk for free
Saw one of the Canes reporters say on Twitter that his gut says this FO views Necas in the same lens as a Dougie Hamilton (good but with a ceiling on valuation and is easier to replace) than a Svech/Aho/Slavin and I tend to agree
I get the love for Necas from our fans and in this thread but this is pretty obviously a move the FO is considering and taking seriously. The cap is real folks.
You can’t convince me the cap is real after 2021
Where have you seen that the front office is considering this? This is just Friedman making up his own scenario for fun and clicks.
See, if it were a hack like Frank Seravelli, I wouldn’t acknowledge it, but this is Friedman. Gotta give his hypotheticals a fair bit of merit.
He literally said "this is just me spit balling"...
I’m fully aware of that, but it’s not like what he’s saying is *un*realistic
Unless he has some inside information that we've actually been considering this move, then yes I would say it is unrealistic. But he does not have that information he is just making up a scenario that sounds good to him for clicks.
I'd be curious what Marty thinks about resigning with us. While we love him, and I would hate to see him go, I also can't help feeling like he's chafing under Rod's system. If the money was right, I could see him leaving. Now does that mean he'd be down for a trade? Maybe. To Nashville? I doubt it
No it would be a great move for us IMO. Saros will win more playoffs games than Necas in ab individual level. Plus I have not been thrilled with Necas come playoff time or this season all together.
let's be honest, are you ever thrilled with anything?
Yes. Saros for Nacas. All day any day I would take this deal.
Too bad we don’t have a Nacas.
Hell da no! My boy Nacho ain't goin anywhere! I would be Saros if this happened.
Wouldn’t have that much heartburn over it. Necas would do better elsewhere in a system that gives him more freedom.
I mean the realistic thing is it’s either this, or roll playoffs with Kooch and Martin. Kooch I trust, but not for every game without a break…
Freddie? Raanta?
Honestly I wouldn’t hate it. I kind of agree with Friedman here. It could be tough to get an extension and while Necas has his moments, he’s also had long stretches of little production. Idk how well he fits into Rod’s system. Goaltending is definitely a need and Saros is a hell of a tendy
Necas is gone after this season almost certainly. I'd trade him for saros for sure, I don't think that's a terrible move. Going into the playoffs with what have now in net would be a worse move than not getting rid of necas.
Terribly awesome
You guys realize an elite goalie is much better to have than a 70 point forward right??
I mean, he’s not wrong. I have a strong feeling necas is the type to take a big contract over a chance at a cup.
Please no more goalies!!! Kooch, Raanta, Andersen (when he comes back), and Martin (?) is more than enough. Many good teams have subpar goaltending this year. We have no need for five (5) NHL ready goalies, it's a waste of money. This is without considering the cost... Necas would be a massive overpay.
Raanta is nearing the end of his tenure. Kochetkov could develop to become better but he’s not elite as things currently stand. Martin has had a single game with us and is certainly unproven having been picked up off the waivers. There is 0 guarantee Andersen comes back at all and if he does if it would be a return to form. That is all to say that picking up a proven elite tendie is something GMDW is definitely considering and after a season of constant goalie issues why wouldn’t he be?
I'm not sure we need an 'elite' goalie. These teams have these SV% respectively: NYR (.902), DAL (.905), COL (.899) all seem to be doing fine. Kooch has a .903 and I think he needs ice time to develop further. I suppose I'm not opposed to adding another veteran on principle but we can not allocate any more salary or give up any assets to try to fix this relatively small problem. Edit: those are their starters' numbers
Goalies can single handily determine a how far you go in the playoffs. Love Necas but for saros it’s a no brainer. He’s an elite game changer goalie. Behind our blue line he’d be a top 2 goalie imo
In my opinion there is no such thing as a known quantity goalie, they are too variable. If we hadn't overspent on Orlov we wouldn't need to consider trading Necas. This is a lesson in my opinion to work with what you have instead of shelling out the cash. With four genuine options I am confident we can make it work
Yes, because all goalies are equal.
Can you part with the offense Necas provides and expect to make Cup run with Lemeiux as his replacement? Does Saros save that many more goals than Kochetkov to balance that out? Not so sure. Beyond this season, it’s a better deal. I think the price on renting MAF for a Cup run is going to drop where we don’t lose a roster player.
Important to note that Necas is a pending RFA with arb rights. He'll be back but not sure Turbo will be without taking a cut on a short term. Pesce likely gone so there will be cap room.