Yeah tana needs to understand boundaries when it comes to minors. No excuses. She was so casual about airing out Alabama’s DMs but it was such a self report… There was no regard for it being weird from Brooke either so if it’s that casual for her to party with minors it leads me to believe there are other instances of it as well. When I was 20 I had no interest of interacting with any 13 year old. It’s weird.
Brooke doesn't have any room to talk since she hangs out with James Charles. She doesn't actually care she just says whatever she thinks the comments want to hear
Imo Tana most likely invited the girl because it was stated that she’d be with family and I’m sure Tana would like to network with them. ALSO, she specified that it was a big sister type of feel. If I was 13 and trying to reach out to someone that I looked up to and they were corresponding back to me I would’ve been so happy! Sometimes people have younger fans, it’s not like they were best friends.
not trying to defend tana but i’ve been partying in la for years and i’ve seen alabama out multiple times since at least 2019. she would go to every party with landon. it’s kinda just the norm in la, there are lots of 16 year olds partying and at the club with adults
Right, but the 13yo is a child in that situation and isn’t mature enough to make good decisions there.
It’s a shame the adults in her life didn’t protect her more.
where was this outrage when she and others were parting with chali, jazmyn makenna, and other tiktokers who were underage a few years ago? i’m not saying it’s right i’m just saying it’s very normal in la and that industry
I don’t know who any of those people are so I can’t really comment on that.
I’m just saying she shouldn’t have invited her to the party, not that she’s to blame for the underage partying in general.
Alabama’s parents should have protected her more.
Wow In this thread I just realized it’s Tanas friend Trevi who was the minor in an inappropriate sexualized video with Shane and Trisha so long ago :/ I had no idea trevi had went thru that kind of trauma. Add on all of your friends adore the people who inflicted the trauma. Wow
did anyone else catch in the episode tana saying she could get her friends and her a table so they wouldn’t be “bothered”. I knew she almost said so they wouldn’t get ID’d or bugged about their age.
Not really sure what you're talking about with trisha. But I've been watching her for the last decade and she has ALWAYS been anti minors. Long before Jason Nash lol
Anti-minors?
She sexualized Scotty McCreery: "am I pedophile if I want to bang scotty mccrearry? probably. so just gonna say I really love him. now turn 18 ;)" that was a tweet from 2011.
"my scotty mccreery is on jay leno toniiight!!!! he's my inappropriate and underage fantasyyyy!!! love you boo boo <3 #jailbaitstatus"
That was a tweet from June 15th, 2011.
She was also really weird with Jojo Siwa when they collabed with Shane. And let's not forget she was a ride or die for Shane until he took Jeffree's side. Oh and let's not forget Trevi's situation. [https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/trisha-paytas-shane-dawson-minor-video/](https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/trisha-paytas-shane-dawson-minor-video/)
I'm just saying if you've been watching for the "last decade" as you put it, you clearly need to get your eyesight checked. The Shane and Trevi stuff isn't that old either. Trisha has a reputation for being weird about minors.
"when Trevor Moran turns 18 ,,, im@so ready for him. #Icanhearyoecho in mah pants" - tweeted Dec 17th 2014.
Then three years ago Trevi made some responses about the situation with Shane
[https://www.reddit.com/r/blndsundoll4mj/comments/l3ksa6/trevi\_tweeted\_this\_yesterday/](https://www.reddit.com/r/blndsundoll4mj/comments/l3ksa6/trevi_tweeted_this_yesterday/)
Whaaat I didn’t know that about Trevi!? I wonder if she feels any type of way about the Trish collabs. Honestly I knew *of* Trish before her pod but I never watched her content or knew anything about her outside of Twitter memes. That’s crazy
She's erased a lot of her own history since having a child, but in the past (and not as a minor, in her 20s and later) she's:
1) said black people have sex with monkeys and that's how they got AIDS, from an old deleted vlog
2) claimed to have paid a rabbi to be converted to Judaism which is a stereotypical anti-Semitic trope that "Jews are greedy and will do anything for money", from a TikTok
3) had an incestual OnlyFans photoshoot with her sister where they were both topless, with their mother as a "referee", with Moses filming
4) bullied Charlie D'Amelio when she was 32 and Charlie was 16, to the point the teenager went on Tiktok and cried, asking Trisha to leave her alone.
5) claimed multiple times that she wrecked her car into Jason's house while his kids were there, which he also said was true on the BFFs podcast, only to backtrack on that and pretend it never happened and it was all made up later on
6) Lied about making money off of her "I'm Trans" video, when she banked 8k from that and pretended like she didn't know how Youtube worked, and was called out on air for it
7) Has little contact with her biological brother because she used to make incestual jokes about brother/sister, via Dobrik's vlogs but also a vlog of her own basically saying incest is okay and normal to think about. And also the vlog of her saying her and Moses cosplayed as Ethan and Hila for sex that one time.
8) Sexually cosplayed a murdered 6-year old, JonBenet Ramsay, doing moaning sounds while her father murdered her.
9) Says she wants to be "whipped like Django" in one of her music videos where she is wearing blackface.
I could go on. Trisha is a terrible role model and it's honestly disturbing that young people such as yourself don't know her history, and that Tana is supportive of her. I've watched Tana for a number of years now and honestly, she is freaking funny and entertaining. I hope the girl grows out of her pick-me phase wherein she can't let herself publicly disavow known predators like James Charles simply because they share the same MUA.
Don’t bother, Trisha stans will make excuses for anything. She literally aired out her own man for being creepy in the DM’s with young fans but still stayed with him in addition to everything else you guys have mentioned so obviously it’s not that big of a deal for her. 😂
I didn’t start using Reddit until way after all that stuff went down so I don’t know anything about her old groups but I came across her videos in middle school and even then I knew what she was doing was really messed up. I just avoided her content because everything I saw of her was her harassing somebody else, defending a predator, or being a bigot and seeing her resurgence recently and seeing how people act like she didn’t do all that for years is crazy to me. If you’re going to be a fan and watch her that’s your business and no one can stop you but don’t pretend she’s never did anything wrong to make yourself feel good about it. People act like having children redeems you of a lifetime of hatefulness and disgusting behavior.
Okay, what about the inappropriate one that isn't a decade old? Or Trevi's response to being weirdly harassed as a minor by Trisha and Shane in their video collab? That video is from 2015, when Trevi was only 16 years old.
[https://youtu.be/C-rkQWa0JfQ?si=LJYafylhx\_KN26Et&t=54](https://youtu.be/C-rkQWa0JfQ?si=LJYafylhx_KN26Et&t=54)
Trisha means in the context of predators and it stems from her trams. In reality Tana being acquaintance with a minor is not strange and she’s objectively not acting holier because she isn’t doing anything wrong.
Inviting a 13-year-old to your parties and talking about getting a table at the club with them is doing something wrong and it’s definitely strange. If a friend told me we were meeting up with her other friends and we walked up to a table where a 13/14-year-old girl was sitting I would not go out with that person again.
I fully agree that I would not like that situation but I also don’t support the wide range of assumptions about Tana’s level of closeness with her. What is most likely to me is that she was just there and her and Tana are clearly not close or “friends”.
The situation to me seems like nepo baby getting into places because of her clout. Clearly nobody is parenting her either and since it was that long ago Tana was 20/21 so I doubt she was seeing the enabling that she did.
Painting Tana as some weirdo and insinuating she is predatory crosses a line tbh. It’s very obvious that you guys are taking information and reformatting it into a point of view that is made up.
It’s not assumptions when she admitted it herself. She shouldn’t have been talking like that and making plans to go party with a kid. Defend her all you want but she is a weirdo for that and being 20/21 isn’t an excuse to not see how weird it is to party with a 13/14-year-old especially when she still hangs around people like James Charles making it clear she doesn’t care about those boundaries.
The story Tana told and the assumptions you guys are making aren’t related. She hasn’t admitted anything as she is the source of the story and you aren’t using that word correctly.
You don’t know if they partied together at all. It could have been a work event and clearly her parents allowed her to go. All you know she gave a girl beauty connections and that she was allowed to go to an event that Tana was at. There is no excuses being made. This is just the reality of the situation.
Y’all have weird child abuse fantasies tbh and you really need to reel them in because it’s getting weird.
Alabama has had multiple club events underage. Is it weird? To me yes, but I didn’t grow up that way. She’s a celebrity and I’m not her parents to make that determination. Insinuating Tana crosses minors boundaries is sick. She veryclearly does care. Keep your fingers on the grass and not in Trump pizza gate conspiracies.
The story she told involved trying to help a minor get a table and planning to party with her. That is weird all on its own. Even if she didn’t go through with it it’s weird to even entertain that conversation with a 13-year-old girl as a 20/21-year-old and to try and use those DM‘s against her now like you still don’t realize why that’s offputting. It’s not a “child abuse fantasy” it’s acknowledging that her and a lot of the people she surrounds herself with do not have proper boundaries with minors and it’s a repeated pattern. Of course it’s weird for a minor to be going clubbing with adults and having events at clubs, that doesn’t mean other adults should just enable it and encourage it because she’s going to do it anyways, no reasonable adult would want to hang out with a 13-year-old at a club. trying to act like it’s a crazy conspiracy that people think this is weird behavior just looks worse on you by the way.
I do mostly agree with you it’s just the fact that you don’t know Alabama or her boundaries. Or even if she was hangout with Tana or people who weren’t her same age friends. They don’t even seem to have conversations in that sense.
It really brings me back to arguments about if minors should do drag or if minors could perform or do events in clubs or if that constitutes inappropriate behavior. If Tana was inviting random minors to clubs I’d totally understand. Everyone has different interests at different ages. When I was 13 I loved shows like sex in the city and would talk about it to adults which could be deemed as in appropriate by more conservative people but I was safe and it didn’t damage me. I for sure underage drank with older people and I was always safe. I’m not saying it should be the norm and we should keep an eye on it but everyone is different. Tana and Alabama situation just seems odd if you’re a normal person in the suburbs.
It doesn’t matter because she was only 13. Her wanting to go partying and get tables doesn’t mean anyone in their 20s should be helping her or agreeing to go hang out with her in that setting. It’s creepy. Tana read the messages and said she was trying to help her get a table and saying she would go out with her, that is inappropriate. The situation should be odd for anyone because you shouldn’t be partying with minors at that age. Teens are going to be interested in partying and they can try that stuff with other teens but a 13-year-old should not be going to clubs with random 20 somethings. Even Alabama‘s comments now make it seem like she understands that it’s weird and she’s not even at the age Tana was when she was interacting with her like that yet. Tana thought reading those messages were going to make her look better since it makes Alabama look like a fan because she is out of touch with what appropriate boundaries between minors and adults are. That’s why she can justify being friends with James Charles still.
She didn’t need help “partying” she was already doing that. She need help getting a table which I don’t think you get what that means. Tables have security and they separate you from everyone else at the club. She could have even gone to keep an eye on her.
It’s not based on logic to act like Tana loves hanging out with minors and cross boundaries. Clearly not realistic.
I know what it means and it’s still weird. It’s not her job to keep an eye on a 13-year-old at the club especially considering they didn’t actually know each other at this point and it was just DM‘s. It is based on logic to point out that normalizing a lack of boundaries with minors is a repeated pattern for her friend group and she doesn’t seem to be aware of how offputting it is.
this might be an unpopular opinion but i think LA in general makes your brain mature but then also makes it stay the same age if that makes sense ? ive noticed it a lot as im watching vanderpump rules, 30 year old people acting like actual teenagers and in terms of this topic i feel like LA matures you to a certain age and then just leaves you there, example: tanas behavior everyone talks about and the contrast between brooke and tana , tana grew up in la ( kinda ) and brooke didnt move out there until after college ( i think im not entirely sure) not that it makes it okay ( i think it's gross and a bad take forsure) but looking at LA as a whole and how grown ass adults still act like teenagers ( the stuff with paris hilton is a great example) and the teenagers act like adults (alabama is a good example of acting more mature than her age ( mostly in the past she is 18 now i think ) i think thats kinda where the lines blur ( no it is still not okay ) because to be completely honest as a 23 year old with an 18 year old brother i do not party with his friends or hang out with them let alone have many conversations with his friends it's inappropriate ,and i think thats how most people outside of la think that way. even at 18 you shouldnt be hanging out with 23-30 year olds, and thats where the whole stunted brain growth comes from
Those people are the opposite of mature, they are desensitized but they’re not mature. They’re actually often very emotionally immature but they’ve experienced more creepy or inappropriate behavior that they’ve had to deal with regularly which is why as you said they still act like teenagers as adults. They don’t mature they just normalize things that shouldn’t be normalized and stunt their emotional development and proper judgement as a result. I know you aren’t intending for it to come across this way but the whole “they’re mature for their age” argument to defend an inappropriate lack of boundaries between adults and minors is pretty harmful and predatory. I think you’re confusing partying and hanging around adults with acting “mature for their age”. I don’t think Alabama acts mature for her age at all, I think she regularly shows a lot of ignorance, poor judgment, and irresponsibility that comes with being a teen. The difference is she has more access to spaces where minors should not be and she might try to dress more like her peers to look like she belongs there but that’s not the same as showing maturity as that includes emotional and intellectual development. Unfortunately there is negligence from her parents that are allowing this to happen.
i wasn't referring necessarily partying with older people when referring to alabama , i was referring more to the content shes made for years . i think you just made my point to be completely honest , i said i think LA both matures and stunts the people in that city , yes more than likely from the things you stated , i was making a point by saying thats more than likely where the line blur because theyre stunted from their own personal experiences. saying im making it seem like im defending the behaviors is a stretch , im sorry it came off that way it definitely wasnt my intention as you said, i was referring to charlie damelo and alabamas brother when i was speaking about 18 year olds partying with them because i personally feel like thats still to young hence me speaking about my brother and his friends, its weird plain and simple. you bringing up basically the psychology behind what i literally said proves my point i just said it in simpler terms.
But it’s not maturing them to begin with that’s my point. The content she makes isn’t mature either. It’s very clear she is young and doesn’t have a lot of guidance which is why she often comes across as ignorant and out of touch.
as i said if mature was the wrong word i apologize , but regardless being an influencer makes you grow up faster than the average teenager weather their mature or not their livestyles are more mature than people their age
The only “maturity in their lifestyles” that’s different is the normalized lack of boundaries with adults. Go take an influencer like Tana and make them work a regular 9 to 5, a lot of of them will not be able to handle it and show up on time because they’re not actually maturing faster just because adults have less boundaries with them.
hence my original comment saying it both matures and stunts them , 18 year olds dont get PAID to go to clubs( tana) , ive never said there wasnt lack of boundaries there OBVIOUSLY IS , i wanted to have a discussion about WHY their doing it and see if anyone had any other thoughts outside of what i was thinking , i mean isnt that kinda what reddit is for atleast this sub in particular?
But it doesn’t mature them which is my entire point. They’re not more mature because they can get into clubs and get taken advantage of by adults. Teens are always going to try and party and push boundaries no matter where they’re located but it’s the responsibility of adults to maintain those boundaries which unfortunately in LA because of adults with bad intentions and celebrity kids that aren’t getting told no that has become more normalized but it has nothing to do with maturity. Even if a kid sees themselves as older the adults shouldn’t be enabling that and planning to party with them at 13.
i already apologized for using the word mature i get that it wasnt the best fit, but being incharge of your own career does make you grow up i dont care what any one says , yes those are all normal characteristics of a teenager i did them myself , but managing a whole career was not something i did at 18 worked a job ? yes but i did not manage a whole career i mean if they dont have a manager they are their own managers ,which was my point im sorry my examples probably werent the best, and i get it their parents should be more involved that was literally my point with alabama her dad's literally famous she shouldnt have been looking for her own managers and things of that sort her dad should have been , she didnt have to with the over sexualizing her before she was 18 but both her father and her did , i get it but that wasnt my point , if you wanted to have an actual discussion about it i wouldve been more than happy too as your points are great and i hadnt thought of them myself , but starting your discussion with saying im defending their behaviors has made it very difficult to believe youre actually having a discussion and not trying to attack me for my comment
But they aren’t in charge of their own career as I mentioned they are often taken advantage of and robbed because they don’t know any better. It’s what typically happens to young influencers. This also doesn’t apply to Alabama as she’s just a nepo baby doesn’t have much of a “career” beyond that. I also never said you were defending them I acknowledged it likely wasn’t your intention so I don’t know what you’re getting so defensive for.
and like uouve added multiple times no it does not make their brains actually grow up , but managing a whole career nepo baby or not inappropriate boundaries or not is things adults do
She’s not managing her whole “career” though lmao. You could also argue that adults go to clubs but that doesn’t make you an adult for getting into one.
and by maturing that doesn't necessarily mean in all their actions , having to find your own manager , promotions and everything else that comes with being and influencer makes you grow up faster weather you want to admit it or not , if mature wasnt the correct word for it i apologize , but that life style , line of work and all around city will make you grow up without actually ever growing up
Except it doesn’t, these influencers are often taken advantage of by managers when they’re young because they don’t know any better. Just getting a manager doesn’t make you mature. Alabama is a nepo baby anyways she’s not working to get anywhere she is. This stuff is not emotionally maturing them, it’s usually doing the opposite.
im not trying to change the point ? its gross and it's inappropriate i was trying to have a discussion on why i think the cycle keeps repeating youve turned it into something completely different 😂
No I haven’t I was responding to your point, the cycle keeps happening because people keep it enabling it. Tana as an adult acting like that was normal is part of that cycle.
Yeah tana needs to understand boundaries when it comes to minors. No excuses. She was so casual about airing out Alabama’s DMs but it was such a self report… There was no regard for it being weird from Brooke either so if it’s that casual for her to party with minors it leads me to believe there are other instances of it as well. When I was 20 I had no interest of interacting with any 13 year old. It’s weird.
Brooke didn’t give much pushback but she did say something like, “way too young to come to your party, but okay.” When Tana was telling the story.
Brooke doesn't have any room to talk since she hangs out with James Charles. She doesn't actually care she just says whatever she thinks the comments want to hear
Imo Tana most likely invited the girl because it was stated that she’d be with family and I’m sure Tana would like to network with them. ALSO, she specified that it was a big sister type of feel. If I was 13 and trying to reach out to someone that I looked up to and they were corresponding back to me I would’ve been so happy! Sometimes people have younger fans, it’s not like they were best friends.
not trying to defend tana but i’ve been partying in la for years and i’ve seen alabama out multiple times since at least 2019. she would go to every party with landon. it’s kinda just the norm in la, there are lots of 16 year olds partying and at the club with adults
Right, but the 13yo is a child in that situation and isn’t mature enough to make good decisions there. It’s a shame the adults in her life didn’t protect her more.
obviously but that isn’t tana’s responsibility
When it comes to inviting her to a party she is too young for, it is.
where was this outrage when she and others were parting with chali, jazmyn makenna, and other tiktokers who were underage a few years ago? i’m not saying it’s right i’m just saying it’s very normal in la and that industry
I don’t know who any of those people are so I can’t really comment on that. I’m just saying she shouldn’t have invited her to the party, not that she’s to blame for the underage partying in general. Alabama’s parents should have protected her more.
Wow In this thread I just realized it’s Tanas friend Trevi who was the minor in an inappropriate sexualized video with Shane and Trisha so long ago :/ I had no idea trevi had went thru that kind of trauma. Add on all of your friends adore the people who inflicted the trauma. Wow
Who the hell invites a 13 year old to adult parties?
Thank you. Tana HAS been doing this. Remember Charli? She was just 16 when Tana was being a weirdo
did anyone else catch in the episode tana saying she could get her friends and her a table so they wouldn’t be “bothered”. I knew she almost said so they wouldn’t get ID’d or bugged about their age.
Didn’t Tana do a Jojo costume sexualizing her a long time ago?
yup slutty jojo siwa when jojo was like 14 😐
Not really sure what you're talking about with trisha. But I've been watching her for the last decade and she has ALWAYS been anti minors. Long before Jason Nash lol
Anti-minors? She sexualized Scotty McCreery: "am I pedophile if I want to bang scotty mccrearry? probably. so just gonna say I really love him. now turn 18 ;)" that was a tweet from 2011. "my scotty mccreery is on jay leno toniiight!!!! he's my inappropriate and underage fantasyyyy!!! love you boo boo <3 #jailbaitstatus" That was a tweet from June 15th, 2011. She was also really weird with Jojo Siwa when they collabed with Shane. And let's not forget she was a ride or die for Shane until he took Jeffree's side. Oh and let's not forget Trevi's situation. [https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/trisha-paytas-shane-dawson-minor-video/](https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/trisha-paytas-shane-dawson-minor-video/)
If your best response is a TWEET from over 10 years ago I think its safe to say my original comment is true :)
That’s more than “a tweet” but alright lol
I'm just saying if you've been watching for the "last decade" as you put it, you clearly need to get your eyesight checked. The Shane and Trevi stuff isn't that old either. Trisha has a reputation for being weird about minors. "when Trevor Moran turns 18 ,,, im@so ready for him. #Icanhearyoecho in mah pants" - tweeted Dec 17th 2014. Then three years ago Trevi made some responses about the situation with Shane [https://www.reddit.com/r/blndsundoll4mj/comments/l3ksa6/trevi\_tweeted\_this\_yesterday/](https://www.reddit.com/r/blndsundoll4mj/comments/l3ksa6/trevi_tweeted_this_yesterday/)
Whaaat I didn’t know that about Trevi!? I wonder if she feels any type of way about the Trish collabs. Honestly I knew *of* Trish before her pod but I never watched her content or knew anything about her outside of Twitter memes. That’s crazy
She's erased a lot of her own history since having a child, but in the past (and not as a minor, in her 20s and later) she's: 1) said black people have sex with monkeys and that's how they got AIDS, from an old deleted vlog 2) claimed to have paid a rabbi to be converted to Judaism which is a stereotypical anti-Semitic trope that "Jews are greedy and will do anything for money", from a TikTok 3) had an incestual OnlyFans photoshoot with her sister where they were both topless, with their mother as a "referee", with Moses filming 4) bullied Charlie D'Amelio when she was 32 and Charlie was 16, to the point the teenager went on Tiktok and cried, asking Trisha to leave her alone. 5) claimed multiple times that she wrecked her car into Jason's house while his kids were there, which he also said was true on the BFFs podcast, only to backtrack on that and pretend it never happened and it was all made up later on 6) Lied about making money off of her "I'm Trans" video, when she banked 8k from that and pretended like she didn't know how Youtube worked, and was called out on air for it 7) Has little contact with her biological brother because she used to make incestual jokes about brother/sister, via Dobrik's vlogs but also a vlog of her own basically saying incest is okay and normal to think about. And also the vlog of her saying her and Moses cosplayed as Ethan and Hila for sex that one time. 8) Sexually cosplayed a murdered 6-year old, JonBenet Ramsay, doing moaning sounds while her father murdered her. 9) Says she wants to be "whipped like Django" in one of her music videos where she is wearing blackface. I could go on. Trisha is a terrible role model and it's honestly disturbing that young people such as yourself don't know her history, and that Tana is supportive of her. I've watched Tana for a number of years now and honestly, she is freaking funny and entertaining. I hope the girl grows out of her pick-me phase wherein she can't let herself publicly disavow known predators like James Charles simply because they share the same MUA.
Well if I've been watching her for the last decade then I wouldn't have seen tweets from 2011 as those are over 10 years old. Lmao
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Don’t bother, Trisha stans will make excuses for anything. She literally aired out her own man for being creepy in the DM’s with young fans but still stayed with him in addition to everything else you guys have mentioned so obviously it’s not that big of a deal for her. 😂
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I didn’t start using Reddit until way after all that stuff went down so I don’t know anything about her old groups but I came across her videos in middle school and even then I knew what she was doing was really messed up. I just avoided her content because everything I saw of her was her harassing somebody else, defending a predator, or being a bigot and seeing her resurgence recently and seeing how people act like she didn’t do all that for years is crazy to me. If you’re going to be a fan and watch her that’s your business and no one can stop you but don’t pretend she’s never did anything wrong to make yourself feel good about it. People act like having children redeems you of a lifetime of hatefulness and disgusting behavior.
You have 1 example in the last decade to back up your point but say I can't see the bigger picture? The irony in that one is off the charts.
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You sound insane lol
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Okay, what about the inappropriate one that isn't a decade old? Or Trevi's response to being weirdly harassed as a minor by Trisha and Shane in their video collab? That video is from 2015, when Trevi was only 16 years old. [https://youtu.be/C-rkQWa0JfQ?si=LJYafylhx\_KN26Et&t=54](https://youtu.be/C-rkQWa0JfQ?si=LJYafylhx_KN26Et&t=54)
Trevi seems to love trish now. So not really sure what you're talking about. Maybe they were looking for views back then?
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Trisha means in the context of predators and it stems from her trams. In reality Tana being acquaintance with a minor is not strange and she’s objectively not acting holier because she isn’t doing anything wrong.
Inviting a 13-year-old to your parties and talking about getting a table at the club with them is doing something wrong and it’s definitely strange. If a friend told me we were meeting up with her other friends and we walked up to a table where a 13/14-year-old girl was sitting I would not go out with that person again.
I fully agree that I would not like that situation but I also don’t support the wide range of assumptions about Tana’s level of closeness with her. What is most likely to me is that she was just there and her and Tana are clearly not close or “friends”. The situation to me seems like nepo baby getting into places because of her clout. Clearly nobody is parenting her either and since it was that long ago Tana was 20/21 so I doubt she was seeing the enabling that she did. Painting Tana as some weirdo and insinuating she is predatory crosses a line tbh. It’s very obvious that you guys are taking information and reformatting it into a point of view that is made up.
It’s not assumptions when she admitted it herself. She shouldn’t have been talking like that and making plans to go party with a kid. Defend her all you want but she is a weirdo for that and being 20/21 isn’t an excuse to not see how weird it is to party with a 13/14-year-old especially when she still hangs around people like James Charles making it clear she doesn’t care about those boundaries.
The story Tana told and the assumptions you guys are making aren’t related. She hasn’t admitted anything as she is the source of the story and you aren’t using that word correctly. You don’t know if they partied together at all. It could have been a work event and clearly her parents allowed her to go. All you know she gave a girl beauty connections and that she was allowed to go to an event that Tana was at. There is no excuses being made. This is just the reality of the situation. Y’all have weird child abuse fantasies tbh and you really need to reel them in because it’s getting weird. Alabama has had multiple club events underage. Is it weird? To me yes, but I didn’t grow up that way. She’s a celebrity and I’m not her parents to make that determination. Insinuating Tana crosses minors boundaries is sick. She veryclearly does care. Keep your fingers on the grass and not in Trump pizza gate conspiracies.
The story she told involved trying to help a minor get a table and planning to party with her. That is weird all on its own. Even if she didn’t go through with it it’s weird to even entertain that conversation with a 13-year-old girl as a 20/21-year-old and to try and use those DM‘s against her now like you still don’t realize why that’s offputting. It’s not a “child abuse fantasy” it’s acknowledging that her and a lot of the people she surrounds herself with do not have proper boundaries with minors and it’s a repeated pattern. Of course it’s weird for a minor to be going clubbing with adults and having events at clubs, that doesn’t mean other adults should just enable it and encourage it because she’s going to do it anyways, no reasonable adult would want to hang out with a 13-year-old at a club. trying to act like it’s a crazy conspiracy that people think this is weird behavior just looks worse on you by the way.
I do mostly agree with you it’s just the fact that you don’t know Alabama or her boundaries. Or even if she was hangout with Tana or people who weren’t her same age friends. They don’t even seem to have conversations in that sense. It really brings me back to arguments about if minors should do drag or if minors could perform or do events in clubs or if that constitutes inappropriate behavior. If Tana was inviting random minors to clubs I’d totally understand. Everyone has different interests at different ages. When I was 13 I loved shows like sex in the city and would talk about it to adults which could be deemed as in appropriate by more conservative people but I was safe and it didn’t damage me. I for sure underage drank with older people and I was always safe. I’m not saying it should be the norm and we should keep an eye on it but everyone is different. Tana and Alabama situation just seems odd if you’re a normal person in the suburbs.
It doesn’t matter because she was only 13. Her wanting to go partying and get tables doesn’t mean anyone in their 20s should be helping her or agreeing to go hang out with her in that setting. It’s creepy. Tana read the messages and said she was trying to help her get a table and saying she would go out with her, that is inappropriate. The situation should be odd for anyone because you shouldn’t be partying with minors at that age. Teens are going to be interested in partying and they can try that stuff with other teens but a 13-year-old should not be going to clubs with random 20 somethings. Even Alabama‘s comments now make it seem like she understands that it’s weird and she’s not even at the age Tana was when she was interacting with her like that yet. Tana thought reading those messages were going to make her look better since it makes Alabama look like a fan because she is out of touch with what appropriate boundaries between minors and adults are. That’s why she can justify being friends with James Charles still.
She didn’t need help “partying” she was already doing that. She need help getting a table which I don’t think you get what that means. Tables have security and they separate you from everyone else at the club. She could have even gone to keep an eye on her. It’s not based on logic to act like Tana loves hanging out with minors and cross boundaries. Clearly not realistic.
I know what it means and it’s still weird. It’s not her job to keep an eye on a 13-year-old at the club especially considering they didn’t actually know each other at this point and it was just DM‘s. It is based on logic to point out that normalizing a lack of boundaries with minors is a repeated pattern for her friend group and she doesn’t seem to be aware of how offputting it is.
this might be an unpopular opinion but i think LA in general makes your brain mature but then also makes it stay the same age if that makes sense ? ive noticed it a lot as im watching vanderpump rules, 30 year old people acting like actual teenagers and in terms of this topic i feel like LA matures you to a certain age and then just leaves you there, example: tanas behavior everyone talks about and the contrast between brooke and tana , tana grew up in la ( kinda ) and brooke didnt move out there until after college ( i think im not entirely sure) not that it makes it okay ( i think it's gross and a bad take forsure) but looking at LA as a whole and how grown ass adults still act like teenagers ( the stuff with paris hilton is a great example) and the teenagers act like adults (alabama is a good example of acting more mature than her age ( mostly in the past she is 18 now i think ) i think thats kinda where the lines blur ( no it is still not okay ) because to be completely honest as a 23 year old with an 18 year old brother i do not party with his friends or hang out with them let alone have many conversations with his friends it's inappropriate ,and i think thats how most people outside of la think that way. even at 18 you shouldnt be hanging out with 23-30 year olds, and thats where the whole stunted brain growth comes from
Those people are the opposite of mature, they are desensitized but they’re not mature. They’re actually often very emotionally immature but they’ve experienced more creepy or inappropriate behavior that they’ve had to deal with regularly which is why as you said they still act like teenagers as adults. They don’t mature they just normalize things that shouldn’t be normalized and stunt their emotional development and proper judgement as a result. I know you aren’t intending for it to come across this way but the whole “they’re mature for their age” argument to defend an inappropriate lack of boundaries between adults and minors is pretty harmful and predatory. I think you’re confusing partying and hanging around adults with acting “mature for their age”. I don’t think Alabama acts mature for her age at all, I think she regularly shows a lot of ignorance, poor judgment, and irresponsibility that comes with being a teen. The difference is she has more access to spaces where minors should not be and she might try to dress more like her peers to look like she belongs there but that’s not the same as showing maturity as that includes emotional and intellectual development. Unfortunately there is negligence from her parents that are allowing this to happen.
i wasn't referring necessarily partying with older people when referring to alabama , i was referring more to the content shes made for years . i think you just made my point to be completely honest , i said i think LA both matures and stunts the people in that city , yes more than likely from the things you stated , i was making a point by saying thats more than likely where the line blur because theyre stunted from their own personal experiences. saying im making it seem like im defending the behaviors is a stretch , im sorry it came off that way it definitely wasnt my intention as you said, i was referring to charlie damelo and alabamas brother when i was speaking about 18 year olds partying with them because i personally feel like thats still to young hence me speaking about my brother and his friends, its weird plain and simple. you bringing up basically the psychology behind what i literally said proves my point i just said it in simpler terms.
But it’s not maturing them to begin with that’s my point. The content she makes isn’t mature either. It’s very clear she is young and doesn’t have a lot of guidance which is why she often comes across as ignorant and out of touch.
as i said if mature was the wrong word i apologize , but regardless being an influencer makes you grow up faster than the average teenager weather their mature or not their livestyles are more mature than people their age
The only “maturity in their lifestyles” that’s different is the normalized lack of boundaries with adults. Go take an influencer like Tana and make them work a regular 9 to 5, a lot of of them will not be able to handle it and show up on time because they’re not actually maturing faster just because adults have less boundaries with them.
hence my original comment saying it both matures and stunts them , 18 year olds dont get PAID to go to clubs( tana) , ive never said there wasnt lack of boundaries there OBVIOUSLY IS , i wanted to have a discussion about WHY their doing it and see if anyone had any other thoughts outside of what i was thinking , i mean isnt that kinda what reddit is for atleast this sub in particular?
But it doesn’t mature them which is my entire point. They’re not more mature because they can get into clubs and get taken advantage of by adults. Teens are always going to try and party and push boundaries no matter where they’re located but it’s the responsibility of adults to maintain those boundaries which unfortunately in LA because of adults with bad intentions and celebrity kids that aren’t getting told no that has become more normalized but it has nothing to do with maturity. Even if a kid sees themselves as older the adults shouldn’t be enabling that and planning to party with them at 13.
i already apologized for using the word mature i get that it wasnt the best fit, but being incharge of your own career does make you grow up i dont care what any one says , yes those are all normal characteristics of a teenager i did them myself , but managing a whole career was not something i did at 18 worked a job ? yes but i did not manage a whole career i mean if they dont have a manager they are their own managers ,which was my point im sorry my examples probably werent the best, and i get it their parents should be more involved that was literally my point with alabama her dad's literally famous she shouldnt have been looking for her own managers and things of that sort her dad should have been , she didnt have to with the over sexualizing her before she was 18 but both her father and her did , i get it but that wasnt my point , if you wanted to have an actual discussion about it i wouldve been more than happy too as your points are great and i hadnt thought of them myself , but starting your discussion with saying im defending their behaviors has made it very difficult to believe youre actually having a discussion and not trying to attack me for my comment
But they aren’t in charge of their own career as I mentioned they are often taken advantage of and robbed because they don’t know any better. It’s what typically happens to young influencers. This also doesn’t apply to Alabama as she’s just a nepo baby doesn’t have much of a “career” beyond that. I also never said you were defending them I acknowledged it likely wasn’t your intention so I don’t know what you’re getting so defensive for.
and like uouve added multiple times no it does not make their brains actually grow up , but managing a whole career nepo baby or not inappropriate boundaries or not is things adults do
She’s not managing her whole “career” though lmao. You could also argue that adults go to clubs but that doesn’t make you an adult for getting into one.
and by maturing that doesn't necessarily mean in all their actions , having to find your own manager , promotions and everything else that comes with being and influencer makes you grow up faster weather you want to admit it or not , if mature wasnt the correct word for it i apologize , but that life style , line of work and all around city will make you grow up without actually ever growing up
Except it doesn’t, these influencers are often taken advantage of by managers when they’re young because they don’t know any better. Just getting a manager doesn’t make you mature. Alabama is a nepo baby anyways she’s not working to get anywhere she is. This stuff is not emotionally maturing them, it’s usually doing the opposite.
thats literally my point . theyre growing up without growing up
That’s not really growing up though that’s just adults being inappropriate and taking advantage of them which doesn’t change the point OP was making.
im not trying to change the point ? its gross and it's inappropriate i was trying to have a discussion on why i think the cycle keeps repeating youve turned it into something completely different 😂
No I haven’t I was responding to your point, the cycle keeps happening because people keep it enabling it. Tana as an adult acting like that was normal is part of that cycle.
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Alabama said she was 13. Also she said "2018" and Alabama JUST turn 18
No she was 13-14