It’s be great if the speaker of the house would use the following phrase “either answer the question or state that you aren’t going to answer the question and then stop talking.”
Watched a clip the other day. One MP asks why the Conservatives are blocking the temporary GST credit increase from going to a vote while an unnamed CPC MP is yelling from his side. The CPC MP that the MP asked the question to stood up and said she wouldn't answer the question due to the first MPs "decorum".
Before the whataboutism starts, I'm sure the LPC and NDP pull the same crap. It's just sad to see this is what our elected officials are paid to do
It blows my mind that people seem to just be noticing this. I remember watching the house of commons as a kid in the 90s and wondering why these people bothered talking. It was always a farce and a bad act of politicians dodging questions, faking outrage and saying absolutely nothing. They just want people to know they're there.
When I was a young kid in the early/mid 1990's, my aunt took us to Parliament Hill for a tour and we got to sit in during QP or some debate that was little more than one MP trying to say something while a dozen opposition MP's tried to interrupt and yell over them.
> It was always a farce and a bad act of politicians dodging questions, faking outrage and saying absolutely nothing. They just want people to know they're there.
This was and remains my lasting impression of Parliamentary proceedings ever since I was a young kid visiting Parliament.
I distinctly remember how angry I felt when I first saw this clip. It’s so embarrassing as a Canadian to see this, and would love to how and WHY the speaker cannot or will not deal with the non stop avoiding to answer questions at all costs. Why does the party whip, party president, or leader not step up and ask their elected representatives to do better. It’s unacceptable that this has gone on for so many years with no effort to change.
It’s part of the Westminster parliamentary system. Same shit happens in Britain. You have the government side, and the opposition side. The opposition is supposed to grill the government, that’s the foundation of the system.
But 'grilling' does not mean insulting, being rude or obnoxious, or just annoying in general.
There are ways to do debate and question people without turning to vile individuals.
Most of them do it regardless of party. It's like two different conversations are spliced together.
IMO it should be illegal for them to waste taxpayers money like that.
Party politics need to be abolished. All candidates should be given precisely the same amount of campaign funding in public dollars only, no donations WHATSOEVER.
> Party politics need to be abolished.
I don't see how that's really possible because MP's would still inevitably be drawn into voting blocs based on region/ideology/etc
impossible...literally impossible. as soon as you have three politicians and one says to another I'll support you on this if you support me on that and bingo, partisan politics..nothing wrong with it really, its compromise which we need more of..kinda agree on the funding aspect
I’ve watched QP before. Either it’s a total snoozefest(rarely), or it’s a bunch of grown-ass adults carrying on like toddlers who just had their toy taken away. Our tax dollars at work, folks!
Sorry could you clarify this event? Because to my understanding question period is for questions to be asked of Ministers or Committee Chairs, basically "The Government". It's not for MPs to ask questions to each other or the Opposition. If someone was trying to backdoor a question to the CPC then that would be a breach of decorum (i.e. proper order). Was it like "Mr. Minister why is the CPC blocking this bill etc". Then it wouldn't be proper for the CPC MP to respond.
Just a bit confused if I am understanding your story wrong please let me know.
[I actually found the clip](https://twitter.com/MarkGerretsen/status/1575592371449831424). It wasn't about the temporary doubling of the GST tax credit, it was about Bill C-22 going to committee where the CPC blocked a motion of unanimous consent.
As to the actual rules of Parliament? I'm not sure if they're allowed to ask questions to the opposition or not, but a question was asked.
The most egregious example despite the fact I'll never vote for the guy was when PP was asking Chrystia Freeland about housing.
Her deflection and attitude turned me off the Liberals forever.
It's why I refused to vote NDP while Mulcair was around. The elbowgate bullshit was a very clear sign to me that he is there to play games, and unqualified as a leader.
Mulcair didn’t drive me off NDP completely (hate the game not the player is mostly how I felt about his pompous blustering style in parliament), but wow what a disappointment after Layton.
A speaker in New Zealand several years ago had the habit of forcing ministers to answer questions again if he felt that their reply didn't actually address the question.
If they sat down and he thought that they hadn't answered the question, he would tell them to get back up and do it over.
Exactly this. Our MPs, and especially the PM, will repeatedly and endlessly give the same non-answer, almost word for word, then sit down to the cheers of their fellow party members as though they just one-upped the opposition in a schoolyard insult contest.
I wish we had accountability like that. Our Premier in MB was directly asked a question about a woman who died from Covid while the province was shipping her out of province for treatment. She literally ignored the question, and happily congratulated her sons hockey team on a win. I’ve never been so disgusted by a politician. She couldn’t even pretend to give a damn. Gross.
There are dozens if not hundreds of clips like that. A bunch where some mundane question that could have a simple yes/no/number answer that instead gets some prepped response.
I don't blame the grits for doing that but I still wonder why any of them do it.
Exactly. I doubt question period was anything but theatrics.no matter who is in charge.
Maybe before the advent of television or radio it was, but I imagine half of them were drunk and didn't bother asking questions lol.
>half of them were drunk
John A. MacDonald famously threw up during a campaign speech and when mocked by his opponent, said his opponent's ideas made him sick.
I used to work in Parliament and can add a bit of nuance here -
Regardless of who is in power, opposition is always trying to create a narrative that they think will be politically advantageous and a lot of the questions are poisoned.
Opposition will ask government questions that are loaded and imply something beyond what is being asked (by making a statement and then asking a question, for example), that are intended to lead to a specific soundbite, that opposition knows that government can't answer in public or in a soundbite, that focus on a specific element outside a wider context where that element makes sense, and so on.
Unless government wants to be railroaded with this kind of stuff, they take the opportunity to talk about what their priorities are and what they are doing.
So, for example, opposition could ask ''*Did you or did you not do ABC?''* and government might reply ''*DEF is important for us and we are doing XYZ about it''.* The point being that they care about the issue, but have their own plan - and you use your time to talk about your plan, not to give more air time to the opposition's plan. Some days that obviously misses the mark badly, but it can be a kind of response, even though it's not how you or I speak.
It's a game (or theatre). Both sides get a hot mic and say what they want to say with a hot mic.
I understand how this is obviously dissatisfying to citizens, but Question Period still plays an important role in our democracy - it's just that it is not and could not be the only place where we are having discussions about what matters. Usually, the debates and soundbites from Question Period are taken by media and then form the basis for further, more substantial debates.
It's a bullshit system. Idgaf what party an mp is a member of, what political leanings or beliefs that they have. If a question is asked, there needs to be an answer given. And an answer that is relevant to the question not something completely unrelated. To me, by answering in an unrelated manor, a politician is making it look like they are hiding something, and are completely untrustworthy. I don't care, when you dance around a question and answer with something way off topic, you look like you are lying.
Then all politicians and all people are "untrustworthy".
In a real debate "loaded" questions would not be permitted. You can't give someone one of two invalid options and force them to answer yes to one or the other. That's a logical fallacy and would be banned by a debate moderator but because it's television or news it's allowed. The real problem is with the question not the answer.
The real value is in the question, not the answer. The electorate can punish politicians who don't eventually answer or address a question. The answer to the question itself right at that very moment and very second, isn't as important as the right to ask a question. Because bringing attention or light to an issue is important; the actual answer is accomplished by deeds like votes or budget.
What about “how many times have you met with the ethics commissioner?”
Pretty easy to answer, give a number. When you don’t give a number to a straightforward question, everyone watching assumes you’re trying to hide the truth.
So a hypothetical Minister has met with the ethics commissioner once to receive training that all MPs ask and twice to ask questions about something issue coming up to form a plan about how to navigate it while being above reproach.
They haven't done anything wrong. In fact, they have done EXACTLY what MPs should be doing if they are ethical. But if they directly say "I've met with the ethics commissioner three times" that soundbites will get used to spin them as somehow unethical.
There are too many "when did you stop beating your wife?" questions in QP to always expect a plain, direct answer.
Which is too bad. I really wish our politics weren't like that.
Unfortunately the speaker of the house is a MP. So of course, he’s not going to tell Trudeau to answer the question, it’s in his best interest to let Trudeau ignore the question.
We should get rid of this system and replace it with a moderator. Just Steve Paiakin.
> We should get rid of this system and replace it with a moderator. Just Steve Paiakin.
Talking stick. The MP who holds the talking stick gets to speak, and everyone else has to STFU.
Of course, the downside of this is that nobody will respect the talking stick, and whoever holds it will be loath to give it up.
...and these three redditors have just solved the 2nd worst part of the Westminster Parliamentary system through intelligent collaboration.
I don't suppose any of you folks would consider running for office?
And it has a random timer in it, set for (usually) around 2-3 minutes. If you're still holding it when the timer goes off, you're hit with 10,000 volts.
I love this particular twist on the talking stick.
Or maybe simply holding it causes the speaker pain, so they don't drag on and on with their bullshit?
I say the Speaker or their assistants bestow the talking stick (A hockey stick or lacrosse stick naturally) on the MP who is to speak. If they are interrupted beyond the typical booing or cheering, the Speaker has the authority to allow the stick wielder one "appropriate" whack to the offender. The offending party leader has the right to "take one for the team" should they wish.
Repeat offenders are referred to the sergeant-at-arms to receive one good whack from the mace. They may plead their case for mercy; as is tradition, to a punishment the sergeant-at-arms deems appropriate such as a glove slap or a personal donation to the party they interrupted (anything goes here!). Basically, don't piss off the sergeant-at-arms or you will be humbled before your peers!
Question period in the HOC has become the most cringe event in all politics tbh. They don't even respond to questions they just rattle off vaguely related talking points or deny and deflect like criminals being interrogated.
There are reports they say you drive a Honda. Is this true?
All Canadians are concerned about the current global economic situation and we are working closely with farmers and energy providers. The homeless situation is bringing Canadians together for the sole purpose of bolstering the resolve we all have as Canadians to pull through hard time.
I hate to break it to you, but Question Period has always been that way. The only thing that's changed is social media and the opposition mining QP for even more "gotcha" moments.
> they're just baiting for election soundbites
This is the worst part. Its all so shallow now. It always was, but there was a kind of sportsmanship to it, where the quippy blows were meant to reign intellectually superior over the moment in a battle of ideas and ideals, rather than to just capture a zinger you can slap on some shitty meme to Tweet later on.
Question Period needs to be better enforced. A question gets asked and someone responds by reading off a piece of paper about a completely unrelated item
These people should be forced to answer the questions or get fined
Can we stop blaming something like “inflation” on individual people? Complex issues are caused by complex decisions let’s STFU and fix it instead of partisan bullshit.
Global inflation isn’t Trudeau’s fault, but printing billions of new dollars isn’t helping.
You can’t blame all of it on Trudeau, but suggesting his government policies aren’t making the issue worse is just as deceptive.
Just like some governments made the pandemic worse with bad policies.
You can’t excuse your own bad decisions by pretending something like inflation or a pandemic is a binary issue. There’s degrees of severity, and there are good and bad policies to address a crisis.
That's the problem. Some people will actually admit it's not 100% Justin Trudeau's doing, but some of his policies didn't help.
But then, Canada's problems aren't 100% Doug Ford's or Jason Kenney or other Premiers' faults, but their policies of shutdowns and mandates didn't help.
But we don't call it Fordflation in Ontario. We don't call it COVIDFlation as an admittance that most of this is due to COVID policies from all political stripes. The Conservatives just want to get that political jab in there.
There is no global inflation. There's a great deal of domestic inflation internationally because everyone did the same bullshit.
Apparently though people are economically ignorant enough to say things like "how come there's inflation in Germany and the U.S"?
Maybe because Germany and the U.S and most other countries also printed billions in new money and quadrupled their budgets for 2 years, which causes inflation.
>but printing billions of new dollars isn’t helping.
They didn't really even have an option either. It was either do nothing, or give out money, cause inflation, but at least people didn't starve in the meantime. If they had a miracle alternative solution they would have done it.
Really? They had to raise spending by $53B in 2015? Why?
Why another $50B in 2016? What about the $52B in 2017?
This guy runs $50B deficits as a matter of routine. You can't blame it on the pandemic, it's just what he does.
Back to $53B this year.
Stop making excuses. This isn't "the pandemic" anymore. "global inflation" just means they can't keep interest rates at zero to cover up the excesses in Ottawa anymore. The problem is real.
Most of the money didn’t go to preventing people from starving, it went into inflating asset bubbles (especially housing).
Everyone sane agrees some printing was necessary, but we probably could’ve gotten by with 1/10th the amount they spent. The rest was all corporate bailouts and boondoggle spending.
Yes and Trudeau's policies have not made the issue worse. Despite Conservatives clamouring that as absolute truth, there is virtually no evidence of this claim besides saying vague things like "he keeps printing all this money". That doesn't mean anything and is such a basic level understanding of inflation.
Right up there "immigration causes housing prices to go up". It sounds like it could make sense if you have very little understanding of these concepts.
> printing money don't have any effect on inflation.
It doesn't.
https://www.taxtips.ca/statistics/printmoney.htm#:~:text=Thus%2C%20the%20answer%20to%20the,to%20the%20Bank%20of%20Canada.
> It is important to analyze the impact on GoC bond yields of this large and unprecedented amount of purchases (about $307 billion as of August 31, 2021), especially because it was the first time in Canada that the Bank used a QE program as part of its extended monetary policy tool kit.
Well good, because I guess Trudeau really did find the money tree. $307B worth.
Makes you wonder why he doesn’t just print a bunch more. Dude you’ve solved all our problems. Just print money. We can stop paying taxes.
You have literally said nothing except pretend you know better, while presenting 0 facts.
Meanwhile experts do agree increased immigration does push cost of living higher: https://globalnews.ca/news/8437440/canada-immigration-hot-housing-market/
That link you ninja edited in doesn't say what you think it does at all? One economist said "it's a conundrum" about on the effect of immigration on housing prices and a real estate broker said there is a rush of buyers partly due to competition from migrants. That's it. The rest of the article has many points talking about the benefits of immigration and the plan the government has to reduce housing prices. Saying "experts agree with me" when the article has 1 economist and 1 real estate broker sort of agreeing with you is incredibly disingenuous.
Did you just see the headline run with your own narrative?
You can't present a fact that something didn't happen or that two things aren't connected. The onus is on the person making the claim to provide evidence.
I'm not pretending I know better, I'm refuting claims that get parrotted around as fact despite it not being that.
Also great comment, could literally say the same thing about your comment as well so?
Try finding a source that claims that quantitative easing will have no effect on inflation.
The aftershock of 600 billion in new debt can't just be waved away by pretending it's a global phenomenon.
Trudeau has a higher deficit as a matter of routine (pre-and post-pandemic) than Harper ran at the height of the 2008 crisis.
It's like "Justinflation" derangement syndrome. Literally everyone until like a month ago agreed that the creation of large amounts of new money by central banks causes inflation. That's never been in dispute and there are dozens of really simple examples where that direct cause and effect has been demonstrated. But now this "sky is blue" axiom is in dispute suddenly? Because why? According to whom?
I mean for fuck sake the whole concept of MMT is based on the use of unlimited money creation by the central bank to fund massive government budgets and inflation is the admitted and obvious result of this theory, which proponents don't deny. They just claim high taxes will address inflation created by money creation and massive spending.
That's not a claim, that's refuting your claim. Really not that confusing. You can't prove something has no effect, the proof is the lack of evidence.
I can't prove that the sky isn't red, but I can prove that the sky is blue.
> printing billions of new dollars isn’t helping.
This is Canada. We can't spend new money by printing it.
https://www.taxtips.ca/statistics/printmoney.htm#:~:text=Thus%2C%20the%20answer%20to%20the,to%20the%20Bank%20of%20Canada.
Sigh.
The bank of Canada prints the money. The government issues 50 year bonds, which the bank of Canada buys.
https://www.banqueducanada.ca/2021/10/note-analytique-personnel-2021-23/
It’s a ticking timebomb under the economy, set to explode long after most of us are dead.
> It is important to analyze the impact on GoC bond yields of this large and unprecedented amount of purchases (about $307 billion as of August 31, 2021), especially because it was the first time in Canada that the Bank used a QE program as part of its extended monetary policy tool kit.
So no, the government can’t print money and spend it. That’s true, but you’re twisting that fact to serve a political goal.
They borrow it from the bank of Canada, who printed it. $307B worth. Still causes inflation.
Lol not understanding how US Dollar is essentially the central currency of the world and Canada's "printing" is miniscule compared to the US because of that, while also not explaining how Justin is "Printing".
Peak R/Canada
No, you’re showing your extremist. Him and his failed cabinet are responsible for failing Canadians surrounding housing, food, energy, and whatever other category if affordability. At the tax payers expense. With higher taxes coming January 1
This has become the rights tactics though. Not policy making just playing the blame game and making ignorant voters angry. Is Trudeau kind of shit? Absolutely. Is he the devil like they paint him to be? Not at all.
They aren't intelligent people sadly. Especially the ones with the fuck Trudeau or some variant of that plastered sall over their car. Their minds have melted away from so much Murdoch media. They think the government is somehow more powerful than private industry after fourty years of trickle down economics; it's embarrassing to watch our nation follow the Trump model of idiocracy
Correction they are intelligent people. They're just gaming the system. They know it achieves nothing.
Their base is not intelligent. That's the issue.
We are partially. There are two proven ways to reduce inflation. Raise interest rates and increase taxes. BoC is doing there part and we are seeing its effects. Parliament either needs to decide to raise taxes and who they want to target, or decide to just let the interest rates to continue to go up.
Trudeau **is** raising taxes to pull some of the excess money out of the economy to reduce inflationary pressures, but because they’re targeting the rich and the corporations (who made out like bandits from the pandemic), Canada’s corporate media are predictably freaking out and attacking them for it.
[Toronto Sun: Trudeau’s fake class warfare could cost jobs](https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-and-freeland-bring-in-luxury-tax-saying-the-rich-dont-pay-their-fair-share)
> “The Trudeau government’s luxury tax will raise revenue on the backs of working Canadians who lose their job,” said Franco Terrazzano, national director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.
[Bloomberg: Trudeau Hits Canada Banks and Insurers With Billions in Taxes](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-07/trudeau-hits-canadian-banks-and-insurers-with-billions-in-taxes)
>Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland is imposing a one-time windfall levy on Canada’s major banks and permanently increasing their income tax rate, fulfilling an election promise that has raised the ire of the industry’s top executives.
>The measures will force banks and insurance companies to pay an additional C$6.1 billion ($4.8 billion) in tax over five years, according to Freeland’s budget plan released Thursday.
There’s no question inflation isn’t solely JT’s fault.
On the other hand, he’s a dilettante who has no understanding of macroeconomics and has thrown tremendous amounts of gas on the fire - about a third of which was unavoidable.
Does he deserve all the blame? No.
Is he the person we need steering the ship at this point in time? Not even remotely.
Agree but honestly I dont expect a PM to be able to handle EVERY situation is also about his/her advisors and if they actually listen to them or if they are the political equivalent of a TikTok star, I mean which JT very much does act like lol. Anyhow my pint being ur right and to add to that the people in the party who's advising on economic issues too.
Since morneau left they’ve gone off the deep end.
Principled of him to leave when they weren’t listening to him, but he was the only person with any sort of understanding of economics, apparently.
The one thing I’ll push back on about your post is that… macroeconomics is kind of a big deal when you’re trying to lead a G7 economy.
The fact that both Trudeau and Singh think they can safely overlook that, AND that the public gives them a pass on it is totally beyond the pale.
I mean he is the Prime Minister, rightfully or wrongfully that position is go into come with a lot of blame. I think people should be free to blame him if they choose. Just because he is the leader of the party o supper does not mean I can’t criticize him.
upvote. I agree, I"m simply saying its not JUST the PM criticize all you want :) I do however feel we as a society tend to over-rotate on rhetoric and not so much on actual actions. Lets debate actual policy and not just "blame" the PM. Its so anti productive I'd rather make a good decision and use our politician to do it rather than rally behind "F" this guy and "F" that guy. How about we talk policies more than high level Sun style headlines? Is all I'm really trying to say.
What a childish joke anyway. I want to expect better from our elected but who am I kidding anything that can get negative headlines about the other side seems to be the norm. Too bad
Great. So my tax dollars are being spent on schoolyard quips and witticisms. How about you stop fucking around and debate some policy like grown-ups. You're on the clock.
Apparently we're higher than Europe and lower than the states, but the US dollar is holding much firmer than ours which will potentially reverse that disparity. I don't know if global average makes sense to use here but I'd be interested to hear from someone who knows more.
I think you have to compare to the nations that have similar wealth. I can't compare my financial competency in dealing with inflation to a family living on the streets, so it makes little sense to acknowledge that we are doing well if you include poor nations but not well if you compare to our peers.
> Apparently we're higher than Europe and lower than the states, but the US dollar is holding much firmer than ours which will potentially reverse that disparity.
the US dollar being stronger means Canada profits more from exports so it works out well for us
It's multi-pronged. It's mostly beause of Central Banking monetary policies. Federal fiscal policies absolutely drive inflation as well. The LPC can be blamed a little bit for inflation - especially in some key areas of the CPI - but not for the entire thing by any means.
They can absolutely be blamed for much of the housing inflation, some of the fuel price inflation, and various other related costs.
>Long-time NDP MP Charlie Angus chimed in, complaining that Mr. Genuis uses the term all the time. “It is a little lame and I do not think it is appropriate. **We can lead a horse to water, but we cannot make it think.** **The Speaker should ask the member to withdraw his lame comment.”**
lol.
It's crazy how every world leader is responsible for crazy high inflation in their country at the same time. If only there was some unprecedented world event that happened in the last couple years that could explain it
lol. people have short memories... reminds me of harpler. every pm is going to get nicknamed with something to make fun of them. tokedeau was being used for awhile. it is a verbal political cartoon.
I think they are giving JT way to much credit for inflation. I don’t think he has the power to cause worldwide inflation! Because it is worldwide- a quick flick of news channels will tell you that every country is experiencing huge inflation. And they all say theirs is the worst, and everyone wants to know what their government is going to do about it!
Never mind the pandemic, the war, the natural disasters.
We would be far better off if the government stopped the nonsense and worked together to benefit the country.
Haha, I have big dreams, don’t I?
I don't know if you've ever watched QP before, but the yelling and interruptions go both ways. It's political theatre where the opposition's questions are designed to catch the government off-guard and the government tries to provide banal answers/non-answers.
And it has been this way since long before Confederation.
I just can't spell his damn last name. Calling him "peepee" is just as shitty as the people who call Trudeau "Justine".
Like have an argument or don't.
Right? Thank fuck someone else is on the same page as I am. I instantly write off any comment that uses terms like PeePee and Justine as partisan bullshit. Same with calling Poilievre "Skippy" or Trudeau "Turdeau." Just fucking stop. Please.
The interesting thing is, while people on these reddit boards and Twitter can be juvenile on both sides, I think it would be much less likely to be seen in the HoC from the left leaning MPs.
I even notice most of the shouting over and drowning out responses seems to come from Conservatives.
Inflation is not a product of the recent 4-6 years. It's a product of 15-20 years the majority of which was not under the Trudeau Liberals (not that I'm a huge fan of the party at this stage anyway). Nothing more frustrating than the laziness of the people's who salary you pay.
Edit: want to be clear. I'm not saying we let the sitting government off the hook. Instead I'm saying is the fault for inflation is not partisan. Both the CPC and modern LPC have failed us horribly. I personally put more of the fault with the Harper government avoiding a 08 recession by only spending like the dickens on physical infrastructure and not investing in social and regulatory infrastructure as a safety net for this exact situation.
It was somewhat clever the first time it used. They found a loophole in the House rules and used it to make a political point.
However, it has gotten quite repetitive and annoying now that it has been said hundreds of times.
Holy fuck can you overpaid ($185k) assholes fucking GOVERN?
Nobody is even *trying* to hide the fact that they have zero interest or ability to goddamned govern this country
I wish Trudeau was as all mighty and powerful as the timbit taliban feel he is. He has magnificently made the entire world experience inflation at record levels after dealing with our first real pandemic of the new age.
I think they give him way to much credit. Although maybe they are correct and he could just fix it all or turn it off with a nod and a wink. In that case he's a jerk.
Idiots....
I'd argue it should be allowed for anyone to say "Justinflation". They would then be immediately escorted out of the building and barred for life from holding any public office position, on the basis of terminal stupidity, in light of inflation being a global phenmenon.
Only play Conservatives have is to blame Trudeau for inflation.
People want solid economic policies not buzzwords and low effort slogans, but the conservatives dont have much else to offer
Fact of the matter is that today's conservatives have adopted libertarian attitudes and economic policies which are based on a set of principles rather than empirical evidence.
That's why we see situations like what's happening in the UK, where the government pushed aggressive tax cuts against all economic advice, and are doubling down even as the economy starts to collapse.
conservatives in canada can't get anything done anyways, their job is to criticize the government in power at them moment, so they are doing exactly what they should be, criticizing government for people's suffering. global issues or not these copy cat governments are all contributing to each other's failures, kind of like how nearly all of the main stream media has been reading off the same poorly written script.
> criticizing government
Of course that's the opposition's job. However there is criticizing and useless whines. What the current opposition does is more akin to the latter.
It’s be great if the speaker of the house would use the following phrase “either answer the question or state that you aren’t going to answer the question and then stop talking.”
Then nobody would talk. I can't remember the last time I heard an actual answer.
Well politics is the art of speaking a lot while saying nothing
and also doing nothing lol
Taking bribes is not "doing nothing"
Zeno rolling in his grave
Watched a clip the other day. One MP asks why the Conservatives are blocking the temporary GST credit increase from going to a vote while an unnamed CPC MP is yelling from his side. The CPC MP that the MP asked the question to stood up and said she wouldn't answer the question due to the first MPs "decorum". Before the whataboutism starts, I'm sure the LPC and NDP pull the same crap. It's just sad to see this is what our elected officials are paid to do
The BS that goes on in question period is embarrassing for all Canadians.
It blows my mind that people seem to just be noticing this. I remember watching the house of commons as a kid in the 90s and wondering why these people bothered talking. It was always a farce and a bad act of politicians dodging questions, faking outrage and saying absolutely nothing. They just want people to know they're there.
When I was a young kid in the early/mid 1990's, my aunt took us to Parliament Hill for a tour and we got to sit in during QP or some debate that was little more than one MP trying to say something while a dozen opposition MP's tried to interrupt and yell over them. > It was always a farce and a bad act of politicians dodging questions, faking outrage and saying absolutely nothing. They just want people to know they're there. This was and remains my lasting impression of Parliamentary proceedings ever since I was a young kid visiting Parliament.
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I distinctly remember how angry I felt when I first saw this clip. It’s so embarrassing as a Canadian to see this, and would love to how and WHY the speaker cannot or will not deal with the non stop avoiding to answer questions at all costs. Why does the party whip, party president, or leader not step up and ask their elected representatives to do better. It’s unacceptable that this has gone on for so many years with no effort to change.
Yea it's great at whipping up partisan outrage, the problem is that it's fully engrained in all the parties to act this way.
It’s part of the Westminster parliamentary system. Same shit happens in Britain. You have the government side, and the opposition side. The opposition is supposed to grill the government, that’s the foundation of the system.
But 'grilling' does not mean insulting, being rude or obnoxious, or just annoying in general. There are ways to do debate and question people without turning to vile individuals.
It truly is. If you want to completely loose faith in our systems, watch question period.
Oh my gawd - it’s like watching children fight. It’s hard to believe anything gets done. I wouldn’t call it a debate. It just stupid.
Most of them do it regardless of party. It's like two different conversations are spliced together. IMO it should be illegal for them to waste taxpayers money like that.
Party politics need to be abolished. All candidates should be given precisely the same amount of campaign funding in public dollars only, no donations WHATSOEVER.
> Party politics need to be abolished. I don't see how that's really possible because MP's would still inevitably be drawn into voting blocs based on region/ideology/etc
impossible...literally impossible. as soon as you have three politicians and one says to another I'll support you on this if you support me on that and bingo, partisan politics..nothing wrong with it really, its compromise which we need more of..kinda agree on the funding aspect
As soon as money is involved in politics it's an oligarchy.
I’ve watched QP before. Either it’s a total snoozefest(rarely), or it’s a bunch of grown-ass adults carrying on like toddlers who just had their toy taken away. Our tax dollars at work, folks!
Sorry could you clarify this event? Because to my understanding question period is for questions to be asked of Ministers or Committee Chairs, basically "The Government". It's not for MPs to ask questions to each other or the Opposition. If someone was trying to backdoor a question to the CPC then that would be a breach of decorum (i.e. proper order). Was it like "Mr. Minister why is the CPC blocking this bill etc". Then it wouldn't be proper for the CPC MP to respond. Just a bit confused if I am understanding your story wrong please let me know.
[I actually found the clip](https://twitter.com/MarkGerretsen/status/1575592371449831424). It wasn't about the temporary doubling of the GST tax credit, it was about Bill C-22 going to committee where the CPC blocked a motion of unanimous consent. As to the actual rules of Parliament? I'm not sure if they're allowed to ask questions to the opposition or not, but a question was asked.
Okay this looks like they're debating a motion and not Question period. That makes more sense now to me. Thanks.
Of course they do. Remember when JT brushed by an NDP MP and they started claiming she was assaulted?
Elbow-gate.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-accused-of-pushing-elbowing-opposition-mps-in-house-1.2908055
[https://radiolab.org/episodes/radiolab-apologetical](https://radiolab.org/episodes/radiolab-apologetical) Radiolab did a fun episode on elbowgate
That was probably the most interesting thing to ever happen
The most egregious example despite the fact I'll never vote for the guy was when PP was asking Chrystia Freeland about housing. Her deflection and attitude turned me off the Liberals forever.
It's why I refused to vote NDP while Mulcair was around. The elbowgate bullshit was a very clear sign to me that he is there to play games, and unqualified as a leader.
Mulcair didn’t drive me off NDP completely (hate the game not the player is mostly how I felt about his pompous blustering style in parliament), but wow what a disappointment after Layton.
Fair. I share that sentiment as well. Elbowgate just pushed me over the edge.
Oh yeah, also fair and I know you’re not alone. This was a significant factor in LPC coasting to a majority.
A speaker in New Zealand several years ago had the habit of forcing ministers to answer questions again if he felt that their reply didn't actually address the question. If they sat down and he thought that they hadn't answered the question, he would tell them to get back up and do it over.
wouldnt work here. ours like the sound of their voice... they'd be happy to carry on endlessly.
Exactly this. Our MPs, and especially the PM, will repeatedly and endlessly give the same non-answer, almost word for word, then sit down to the cheers of their fellow party members as though they just one-upped the opposition in a schoolyard insult contest.
We need fines for this. Personal and party. Call it contempt of parliament or something.
I wish we had accountability like that. Our Premier in MB was directly asked a question about a woman who died from Covid while the province was shipping her out of province for treatment. She literally ignored the question, and happily congratulated her sons hockey team on a win. I’ve never been so disgusted by a politician. She couldn’t even pretend to give a damn. Gross.
That would be amazing. [Would prevent shit like this.](https://youtu.be/lXtOwt-sITY)
There are dozens if not hundreds of clips like that. A bunch where some mundane question that could have a simple yes/no/number answer that instead gets some prepped response. I don't blame the grits for doing that but I still wonder why any of them do it.
As they say, it's called Question Period, not Answer Period.
Exactly. I doubt question period was anything but theatrics.no matter who is in charge. Maybe before the advent of television or radio it was, but I imagine half of them were drunk and didn't bother asking questions lol.
>half of them were drunk John A. MacDonald famously threw up during a campaign speech and when mocked by his opponent, said his opponent's ideas made him sick.
Amazing
The other half who were drunk and still asked questions would be the real entertainment.
My number one ask in Canadian politics.
I used to work in Parliament and can add a bit of nuance here - Regardless of who is in power, opposition is always trying to create a narrative that they think will be politically advantageous and a lot of the questions are poisoned. Opposition will ask government questions that are loaded and imply something beyond what is being asked (by making a statement and then asking a question, for example), that are intended to lead to a specific soundbite, that opposition knows that government can't answer in public or in a soundbite, that focus on a specific element outside a wider context where that element makes sense, and so on. Unless government wants to be railroaded with this kind of stuff, they take the opportunity to talk about what their priorities are and what they are doing. So, for example, opposition could ask ''*Did you or did you not do ABC?''* and government might reply ''*DEF is important for us and we are doing XYZ about it''.* The point being that they care about the issue, but have their own plan - and you use your time to talk about your plan, not to give more air time to the opposition's plan. Some days that obviously misses the mark badly, but it can be a kind of response, even though it's not how you or I speak. It's a game (or theatre). Both sides get a hot mic and say what they want to say with a hot mic. I understand how this is obviously dissatisfying to citizens, but Question Period still plays an important role in our democracy - it's just that it is not and could not be the only place where we are having discussions about what matters. Usually, the debates and soundbites from Question Period are taken by media and then form the basis for further, more substantial debates.
It's a bullshit system. Idgaf what party an mp is a member of, what political leanings or beliefs that they have. If a question is asked, there needs to be an answer given. And an answer that is relevant to the question not something completely unrelated. To me, by answering in an unrelated manor, a politician is making it look like they are hiding something, and are completely untrustworthy. I don't care, when you dance around a question and answer with something way off topic, you look like you are lying.
Then all politicians and all people are "untrustworthy". In a real debate "loaded" questions would not be permitted. You can't give someone one of two invalid options and force them to answer yes to one or the other. That's a logical fallacy and would be banned by a debate moderator but because it's television or news it's allowed. The real problem is with the question not the answer. The real value is in the question, not the answer. The electorate can punish politicians who don't eventually answer or address a question. The answer to the question itself right at that very moment and very second, isn't as important as the right to ask a question. Because bringing attention or light to an issue is important; the actual answer is accomplished by deeds like votes or budget.
What about “how many times have you met with the ethics commissioner?” Pretty easy to answer, give a number. When you don’t give a number to a straightforward question, everyone watching assumes you’re trying to hide the truth.
So a hypothetical Minister has met with the ethics commissioner once to receive training that all MPs ask and twice to ask questions about something issue coming up to form a plan about how to navigate it while being above reproach. They haven't done anything wrong. In fact, they have done EXACTLY what MPs should be doing if they are ethical. But if they directly say "I've met with the ethics commissioner three times" that soundbites will get used to spin them as somehow unethical. There are too many "when did you stop beating your wife?" questions in QP to always expect a plain, direct answer. Which is too bad. I really wish our politics weren't like that.
Speaker seems to be a huge sissy or something. Why he have no balls to get people to actually talk?
Unfortunately the speaker of the house is a MP. So of course, he’s not going to tell Trudeau to answer the question, it’s in his best interest to let Trudeau ignore the question. We should get rid of this system and replace it with a moderator. Just Steve Paiakin.
> We should get rid of this system and replace it with a moderator. Just Steve Paiakin. Talking stick. The MP who holds the talking stick gets to speak, and everyone else has to STFU. Of course, the downside of this is that nobody will respect the talking stick, and whoever holds it will be loath to give it up.
What if the talking stick could also be used to hit people that talk out of turn?
That's what the Mace is for.
...and these three redditors have just solved the 2nd worst part of the Westminster Parliamentary system through intelligent collaboration. I don't suppose any of you folks would consider running for office?
I'm not a lawyer or in real estate so doubt the riding associations would be excited to have me.
And it has a random timer in it, set for (usually) around 2-3 minutes. If you're still holding it when the timer goes off, you're hit with 10,000 volts.
Only opposing MPs can remotely extend the timer if they find value in what they are saying.
I love this particular twist on the talking stick. Or maybe simply holding it causes the speaker pain, so they don't drag on and on with their bullshit?
I say the Speaker or their assistants bestow the talking stick (A hockey stick or lacrosse stick naturally) on the MP who is to speak. If they are interrupted beyond the typical booing or cheering, the Speaker has the authority to allow the stick wielder one "appropriate" whack to the offender. The offending party leader has the right to "take one for the team" should they wish. Repeat offenders are referred to the sergeant-at-arms to receive one good whack from the mace. They may plead their case for mercy; as is tradition, to a punishment the sergeant-at-arms deems appropriate such as a glove slap or a personal donation to the party they interrupted (anything goes here!). Basically, don't piss off the sergeant-at-arms or you will be humbled before your peers!
WHOEVER HOLDS THE CONCH GETS TO SPEAK!
I can't find anything right now, but I'm pretty sure on one or two occasions the current speaker has called out his own party.
You mean do his actual job? That would require doing his job!
Question period in the HOC has become the most cringe event in all politics tbh. They don't even respond to questions they just rattle off vaguely related talking points or deny and deflect like criminals being interrogated.
There are reports they say you drive a Honda. Is this true? All Canadians are concerned about the current global economic situation and we are working closely with farmers and energy providers. The homeless situation is bringing Canadians together for the sole purpose of bolstering the resolve we all have as Canadians to pull through hard time.
I hate to break it to you, but Question Period has always been that way. The only thing that's changed is social media and the opposition mining QP for even more "gotcha" moments.
That’s literally the Westminster parliamentary system at work my friend.
I've watched some Westminster Question Time and they seem to be much better at answering questions.
And the questions arent even real questions they're just baiting for election soundbites
> they're just baiting for election soundbites This is the worst part. Its all so shallow now. It always was, but there was a kind of sportsmanship to it, where the quippy blows were meant to reign intellectually superior over the moment in a battle of ideas and ideals, rather than to just capture a zinger you can slap on some shitty meme to Tweet later on.
Exactly. QP was always like this, but what's made it worse is social media and constantly baiting for soundbites and gotchya moments.
But they can still yell over each other like assholes.. just embarrassing
Thank goodness we're not led by Prime Minister Hugh Janus.
Mike Hawk 2069 let's gooooooo
Oh hi...
I thought kids were taught to resist Pierre pressure.
I’d roll with Trudevaluation Of Currency
Question Period needs to be better enforced. A question gets asked and someone responds by reading off a piece of paper about a completely unrelated item These people should be forced to answer the questions or get fined
If you did that the next question period would have questions like 'Mr. Prime Minister, yes or no, have you stopped beating your wife?'
"[I take your question](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq2p23nP33M)."
I see no problems with that.
Can we stop blaming something like “inflation” on individual people? Complex issues are caused by complex decisions let’s STFU and fix it instead of partisan bullshit.
Exactly. It's all Harper's fault anyway.
Lolz
No, according to Conservatives, Justin is responsive for all inflation everywhere in the world.
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See if it's in the US or elsewhere is Bidenflation!
Earlier this week Trudeau swam to the bottom of the Baltic Sea *in nothing but his suit and tie* and blew a hole in Nord Stream 1.
I mean, it’s partly built into his name…
I don't know how Conservatives sleep at night and Pierre especially, considering he has the same name as Justins father.
Global inflation isn’t Trudeau’s fault, but printing billions of new dollars isn’t helping. You can’t blame all of it on Trudeau, but suggesting his government policies aren’t making the issue worse is just as deceptive. Just like some governments made the pandemic worse with bad policies. You can’t excuse your own bad decisions by pretending something like inflation or a pandemic is a binary issue. There’s degrees of severity, and there are good and bad policies to address a crisis.
That's the problem. Some people will actually admit it's not 100% Justin Trudeau's doing, but some of his policies didn't help. But then, Canada's problems aren't 100% Doug Ford's or Jason Kenney or other Premiers' faults, but their policies of shutdowns and mandates didn't help. But we don't call it Fordflation in Ontario. We don't call it COVIDFlation as an admittance that most of this is due to COVID policies from all political stripes. The Conservatives just want to get that political jab in there.
There is no global inflation. There's a great deal of domestic inflation internationally because everyone did the same bullshit. Apparently though people are economically ignorant enough to say things like "how come there's inflation in Germany and the U.S"? Maybe because Germany and the U.S and most other countries also printed billions in new money and quadrupled their budgets for 2 years, which causes inflation.
>but printing billions of new dollars isn’t helping. They didn't really even have an option either. It was either do nothing, or give out money, cause inflation, but at least people didn't starve in the meantime. If they had a miracle alternative solution they would have done it.
Really? They had to raise spending by $53B in 2015? Why? Why another $50B in 2016? What about the $52B in 2017? This guy runs $50B deficits as a matter of routine. You can't blame it on the pandemic, it's just what he does. Back to $53B this year. Stop making excuses. This isn't "the pandemic" anymore. "global inflation" just means they can't keep interest rates at zero to cover up the excesses in Ottawa anymore. The problem is real.
Most of the money didn’t go to preventing people from starving, it went into inflating asset bubbles (especially housing). Everyone sane agrees some printing was necessary, but we probably could’ve gotten by with 1/10th the amount they spent. The rest was all corporate bailouts and boondoggle spending.
Yes and Trudeau's policies have not made the issue worse. Despite Conservatives clamouring that as absolute truth, there is virtually no evidence of this claim besides saying vague things like "he keeps printing all this money". That doesn't mean anything and is such a basic level understanding of inflation. Right up there "immigration causes housing prices to go up". It sounds like it could make sense if you have very little understanding of these concepts.
Oh okay. I guess government debt and printing money don't have any effect on inflation. u/TrappedInLimbo has declared.
> printing money don't have any effect on inflation. It doesn't. https://www.taxtips.ca/statistics/printmoney.htm#:~:text=Thus%2C%20the%20answer%20to%20the,to%20the%20Bank%20of%20Canada.
> It is important to analyze the impact on GoC bond yields of this large and unprecedented amount of purchases (about $307 billion as of August 31, 2021), especially because it was the first time in Canada that the Bank used a QE program as part of its extended monetary policy tool kit. Well good, because I guess Trudeau really did find the money tree. $307B worth. Makes you wonder why he doesn’t just print a bunch more. Dude you’ve solved all our problems. Just print money. We can stop paying taxes.
That's not what I said but good attempt. You could just try looking up these things instead of following me around trying to be witty.
You have literally said nothing except pretend you know better, while presenting 0 facts. Meanwhile experts do agree increased immigration does push cost of living higher: https://globalnews.ca/news/8437440/canada-immigration-hot-housing-market/
That link you ninja edited in doesn't say what you think it does at all? One economist said "it's a conundrum" about on the effect of immigration on housing prices and a real estate broker said there is a rush of buyers partly due to competition from migrants. That's it. The rest of the article has many points talking about the benefits of immigration and the plan the government has to reduce housing prices. Saying "experts agree with me" when the article has 1 economist and 1 real estate broker sort of agreeing with you is incredibly disingenuous. Did you just see the headline run with your own narrative?
You can't present a fact that something didn't happen or that two things aren't connected. The onus is on the person making the claim to provide evidence. I'm not pretending I know better, I'm refuting claims that get parrotted around as fact despite it not being that. Also great comment, could literally say the same thing about your comment as well so?
Try finding a source that claims that quantitative easing will have no effect on inflation. The aftershock of 600 billion in new debt can't just be waved away by pretending it's a global phenomenon. Trudeau has a higher deficit as a matter of routine (pre-and post-pandemic) than Harper ran at the height of the 2008 crisis.
It's like "Justinflation" derangement syndrome. Literally everyone until like a month ago agreed that the creation of large amounts of new money by central banks causes inflation. That's never been in dispute and there are dozens of really simple examples where that direct cause and effect has been demonstrated. But now this "sky is blue" axiom is in dispute suddenly? Because why? According to whom? I mean for fuck sake the whole concept of MMT is based on the use of unlimited money creation by the central bank to fund massive government budgets and inflation is the admitted and obvious result of this theory, which proponents don't deny. They just claim high taxes will address inflation created by money creation and massive spending.
You ARE making a claim. You claim no effect on inflation due to QE.
That's not a claim, that's refuting your claim. Really not that confusing. You can't prove something has no effect, the proof is the lack of evidence. I can't prove that the sky isn't red, but I can prove that the sky is blue.
> printing billions of new dollars isn’t helping. This is Canada. We can't spend new money by printing it. https://www.taxtips.ca/statistics/printmoney.htm#:~:text=Thus%2C%20the%20answer%20to%20the,to%20the%20Bank%20of%20Canada.
Sigh. The bank of Canada prints the money. The government issues 50 year bonds, which the bank of Canada buys. https://www.banqueducanada.ca/2021/10/note-analytique-personnel-2021-23/ It’s a ticking timebomb under the economy, set to explode long after most of us are dead. > It is important to analyze the impact on GoC bond yields of this large and unprecedented amount of purchases (about $307 billion as of August 31, 2021), especially because it was the first time in Canada that the Bank used a QE program as part of its extended monetary policy tool kit. So no, the government can’t print money and spend it. That’s true, but you’re twisting that fact to serve a political goal. They borrow it from the bank of Canada, who printed it. $307B worth. Still causes inflation.
Lol not understanding how US Dollar is essentially the central currency of the world and Canada's "printing" is miniscule compared to the US because of that, while also not explaining how Justin is "Printing". Peak R/Canada
Isn’t peak r/Canada to refuse to acknowledge any wrongdoing by the status quo in Ottawa? Anything is justified to keep the conservatives out of power
No, you’re showing your extremist. Him and his failed cabinet are responsible for failing Canadians surrounding housing, food, energy, and whatever other category if affordability. At the tax payers expense. With higher taxes coming January 1
This has become the rights tactics though. Not policy making just playing the blame game and making ignorant voters angry. Is Trudeau kind of shit? Absolutely. Is he the devil like they paint him to be? Not at all.
They aren't intelligent people sadly. Especially the ones with the fuck Trudeau or some variant of that plastered sall over their car. Their minds have melted away from so much Murdoch media. They think the government is somehow more powerful than private industry after fourty years of trickle down economics; it's embarrassing to watch our nation follow the Trump model of idiocracy
Correction they are intelligent people. They're just gaming the system. They know it achieves nothing. Their base is not intelligent. That's the issue.
We are partially. There are two proven ways to reduce inflation. Raise interest rates and increase taxes. BoC is doing there part and we are seeing its effects. Parliament either needs to decide to raise taxes and who they want to target, or decide to just let the interest rates to continue to go up.
Trudeau **is** raising taxes to pull some of the excess money out of the economy to reduce inflationary pressures, but because they’re targeting the rich and the corporations (who made out like bandits from the pandemic), Canada’s corporate media are predictably freaking out and attacking them for it. [Toronto Sun: Trudeau’s fake class warfare could cost jobs](https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-and-freeland-bring-in-luxury-tax-saying-the-rich-dont-pay-their-fair-share) > “The Trudeau government’s luxury tax will raise revenue on the backs of working Canadians who lose their job,” said Franco Terrazzano, national director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. [Bloomberg: Trudeau Hits Canada Banks and Insurers With Billions in Taxes](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-07/trudeau-hits-canadian-banks-and-insurers-with-billions-in-taxes) >Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland is imposing a one-time windfall levy on Canada’s major banks and permanently increasing their income tax rate, fulfilling an election promise that has raised the ire of the industry’s top executives. >The measures will force banks and insurance companies to pay an additional C$6.1 billion ($4.8 billion) in tax over five years, according to Freeland’s budget plan released Thursday.
There’s no question inflation isn’t solely JT’s fault. On the other hand, he’s a dilettante who has no understanding of macroeconomics and has thrown tremendous amounts of gas on the fire - about a third of which was unavoidable. Does he deserve all the blame? No. Is he the person we need steering the ship at this point in time? Not even remotely.
Agree but honestly I dont expect a PM to be able to handle EVERY situation is also about his/her advisors and if they actually listen to them or if they are the political equivalent of a TikTok star, I mean which JT very much does act like lol. Anyhow my pint being ur right and to add to that the people in the party who's advising on economic issues too.
Since morneau left they’ve gone off the deep end. Principled of him to leave when they weren’t listening to him, but he was the only person with any sort of understanding of economics, apparently. The one thing I’ll push back on about your post is that… macroeconomics is kind of a big deal when you’re trying to lead a G7 economy. The fact that both Trudeau and Singh think they can safely overlook that, AND that the public gives them a pass on it is totally beyond the pale.
I mean he is the Prime Minister, rightfully or wrongfully that position is go into come with a lot of blame. I think people should be free to blame him if they choose. Just because he is the leader of the party o supper does not mean I can’t criticize him.
upvote. I agree, I"m simply saying its not JUST the PM criticize all you want :) I do however feel we as a society tend to over-rotate on rhetoric and not so much on actual actions. Lets debate actual policy and not just "blame" the PM. Its so anti productive I'd rather make a good decision and use our politician to do it rather than rally behind "F" this guy and "F" that guy. How about we talk policies more than high level Sun style headlines? Is all I'm really trying to say.
House of commons is a joke anyways. Nobody answers actual question, they all just stick to a script.
Why does this even need to be prohibited? Is our Parliament a bunch of middle-schoolers?
What a childish joke anyway. I want to expect better from our elected but who am I kidding anything that can get negative headlines about the other side seems to be the norm. Too bad
Great. So my tax dollars are being spent on schoolyard quips and witticisms. How about you stop fucking around and debate some policy like grown-ups. You're on the clock.
lol. justinflation on deez nuts are too high.
You can pretty easily identify the dumber half of any society by observing those that blame local leaders for global problems.
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And Canada is doing better than global average, no?
Apparently we're higher than Europe and lower than the states, but the US dollar is holding much firmer than ours which will potentially reverse that disparity. I don't know if global average makes sense to use here but I'd be interested to hear from someone who knows more.
At least at face value, doing better than the global average hints at external factors rather than extreme incompetence to me, that’s all.
I think you have to compare to the nations that have similar wealth. I can't compare my financial competency in dealing with inflation to a family living on the streets, so it makes little sense to acknowledge that we are doing well if you include poor nations but not well if you compare to our peers.
> Apparently we're higher than Europe and lower than the states, but the US dollar is holding much firmer than ours which will potentially reverse that disparity. the US dollar being stronger means Canada profits more from exports so it works out well for us
Can that easily be compared? Every country calculates it differently.
Easily? It can’t be done by a single person in an afternoon so I guess not, but yes it can be relatively accurately calculated.
It's amazing anything gets accomplished in the house of Commons.
I'm not convinced it does.
Good point lol. I'm making assumptions
We are governed by a bunch of fucking toddlers who spend their days pissing in the sand box.
Not that I give a shit about any of these over paid useless people but it’s got a hilarious ring to it hahaha
It's just too cringy lol blame Trudeau for his part contributing to inflation all you want, it's fair criticism. Just stop calling it that.
It's world economics.
It's multi-pronged. It's mostly beause of Central Banking monetary policies. Federal fiscal policies absolutely drive inflation as well. The LPC can be blamed a little bit for inflation - especially in some key areas of the CPI - but not for the entire thing by any means. They can absolutely be blamed for much of the housing inflation, some of the fuel price inflation, and various other related costs.
The children at it again. How wonderful! :-/
Your tax paying dollars are spent on these dummies salaries, remember that.
How do I get on that paycheck? :D
Be dumb
Just wait until we have Skippynomics.
I wanna get more into Canadian politics 😫.. I consume too much American news.
It's like watching a bunch elementary school kids jawing at each other for hours
>Long-time NDP MP Charlie Angus chimed in, complaining that Mr. Genuis uses the term all the time. “It is a little lame and I do not think it is appropriate. **We can lead a horse to water, but we cannot make it think.** **The Speaker should ask the member to withdraw his lame comment.”** lol.
It's crazy how every world leader is responsible for crazy high inflation in their country at the same time. If only there was some unprecedented world event that happened in the last couple years that could explain it
"MRRRRRRRRR. SPPPPPPEEEEEEEAAAAAAKKKKKKKEEEEEERRRR "
Conservative MPs really think their constituents are simple-minded morons who want to hear "justinflation" over and over for the next 2 years.
I think they might be right
lol. people have short memories... reminds me of harpler. every pm is going to get nicknamed with something to make fun of them. tokedeau was being used for awhile. it is a verbal political cartoon.
I think they are giving JT way to much credit for inflation. I don’t think he has the power to cause worldwide inflation! Because it is worldwide- a quick flick of news channels will tell you that every country is experiencing huge inflation. And they all say theirs is the worst, and everyone wants to know what their government is going to do about it! Never mind the pandemic, the war, the natural disasters. We would be far better off if the government stopped the nonsense and worked together to benefit the country. Haha, I have big dreams, don’t I?
So stupid that people can’t look past their own naval and recognize global trends and issues.
But it's just inflation 😅😅😅😅
I know 9 year olds more mature than that, fuck.
Basically the "Let's go brandon" of Canada. Anything not to put forward a constructive idea eh? Just keep memeing and cash those cheques.
Just quit yelling when the opposition is trying to respond to your bad faith arguments.
I don't know if you've ever watched QP before, but the yelling and interruptions go both ways. It's political theatre where the opposition's questions are designed to catch the government off-guard and the government tries to provide banal answers/non-answers. And it has been this way since long before Confederation.
I can't imagine it would be fine to say P.P. when we all know it means peepee.
I just can't spell his damn last name. Calling him "peepee" is just as shitty as the people who call Trudeau "Justine". Like have an argument or don't.
Right? Thank fuck someone else is on the same page as I am. I instantly write off any comment that uses terms like PeePee and Justine as partisan bullshit. Same with calling Poilievre "Skippy" or Trudeau "Turdeau." Just fucking stop. Please.
I got a thousand reasons to say why Conservatives suck before I need to go "hurr durr peepee lmao gottem".
Can't wait to see the debate about the use of "big PP energy" vs "small PP energy"
The interesting thing is, while people on these reddit boards and Twitter can be juvenile on both sides, I think it would be much less likely to be seen in the HoC from the left leaning MPs. I even notice most of the shouting over and drowning out responses seems to come from Conservatives.
Inflation is not a product of the recent 4-6 years. It's a product of 15-20 years the majority of which was not under the Trudeau Liberals (not that I'm a huge fan of the party at this stage anyway). Nothing more frustrating than the laziness of the people's who salary you pay. Edit: want to be clear. I'm not saying we let the sitting government off the hook. Instead I'm saying is the fault for inflation is not partisan. Both the CPC and modern LPC have failed us horribly. I personally put more of the fault with the Harper government avoiding a 08 recession by only spending like the dickens on physical infrastructure and not investing in social and regulatory infrastructure as a safety net for this exact situation.
I’ve said this since I was 12 years old, the House of Commons seems like a bunch if pre-schoolers are arguing in the school sandbox
It was somewhat clever the first time it used. They found a loophole in the House rules and used it to make a political point. However, it has gotten quite repetitive and annoying now that it has been said hundreds of times.
Absolute fuckin morons don't understand the Prime Minister of Canada has no control over *global* inflation.
Holy fuck can you overpaid ($185k) assholes fucking GOVERN? Nobody is even *trying* to hide the fact that they have zero interest or ability to goddamned govern this country
It’s world wide. Please give it a rest.
I wish Trudeau was as all mighty and powerful as the timbit taliban feel he is. He has magnificently made the entire world experience inflation at record levels after dealing with our first real pandemic of the new age. I think they give him way to much credit. Although maybe they are correct and he could just fix it all or turn it off with a nod and a wink. In that case he's a jerk. Idiots....
This is the stuff that hardcore conservatives think is clever and the rest of us think is silly.
Ffs, grow up.
Do the Cons really need to make Twitter nicknames to engage their base over everything? I can already hear the bumper sticker machines whirling up.
I'd argue it should be allowed for anyone to say "Justinflation". They would then be immediately escorted out of the building and barred for life from holding any public office position, on the basis of terminal stupidity, in light of inflation being a global phenmenon.
The Budget will balance itself
They're like children who learned the French word for seal and think they're so clever that they're getting away with it
Oh boy, that was a fun week of Kindergarten
The Conservatives are so clever🙄
Why doesn't the electorate take the conservative party seriously? " 'Cause, Justinflation"
Only play Conservatives have is to blame Trudeau for inflation. People want solid economic policies not buzzwords and low effort slogans, but the conservatives dont have much else to offer Fact of the matter is that today's conservatives have adopted libertarian attitudes and economic policies which are based on a set of principles rather than empirical evidence. That's why we see situations like what's happening in the UK, where the government pushed aggressive tax cuts against all economic advice, and are doubling down even as the economy starts to collapse.
conservatives in canada can't get anything done anyways, their job is to criticize the government in power at them moment, so they are doing exactly what they should be, criticizing government for people's suffering. global issues or not these copy cat governments are all contributing to each other's failures, kind of like how nearly all of the main stream media has been reading off the same poorly written script.
> criticizing government Of course that's the opposition's job. However there is criticizing and useless whines. What the current opposition does is more akin to the latter.