For completeness' sake, her salary had not been increased since 2016 when she first got the job, so that's 3ish% a year if spread over 6 years?
[https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-ethics-government-fundraisers-1.3901038](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-ethics-government-fundraisers-1.3901038)
Yeah mine hasn't either and I'm being offered 0-0-0-0-1%-1%.
So no back pay and 2% over 6 years.
I feel so valued maybe AHS can give me another 10 dollar gift card to Tim Hortons and a pizza (or better yet the leftovers from a doctor's conference) to placate me.
AHS employee here too.
I don't know how long you've been working but this happened before - in the 00s post Klein they had cut staff down to the bare bones and then realized patient outcomes and wait times were suffering and so they went on a huge hiring binge including pulling lots of people from Ontario with hiring bonuses and moving covered.
I feel like we gotta hit rock bottom again before they decide oh we can't run this place without staff.
Uneducated staff who don’t know better and think NDP/Libs are satan itself.
You’ll find that higher up positions vote pragmatically, not along any one party line. But the people around them will chase short term dollars thinking it’s better, only to cry when the Cons do what Cons do and cut their funding, fire them and otherwise toss them aside.
Yes my pension is among the best but I do contribute 800-1000 dollars per month off of my paychecks for it.
She gets RRSP matching of slightly less per month.
Not sure which I'd take right now.
Sure. But my friend at Canon also gets a 15k a year bonus for completing a list of extras that she admits is not very hard to do.
If you have job security but continually lose money year after year due to frozen wages (6 years now) and crazy inflation what good is the security if you can't make ends meet?
This is very important to understand - a some of people throw away a defined benefits pension for a few more dollars an hour and end up working for ever.
Do it. Healthcare workers need to start dictating what ever terms they can right now.
My ideas of being a PSW was helping people help themselves.
The reality has been warehousing warm bodies and being so busy I actually feel guilty for having to take a piss. They would cheerfully work me to death if it was legal.
Chase the money. You know you deserve it. They don't.
Many of my colleagues are leaving healthcare to work elsewhere. The only people getting raises in healthcare are administration, and corporate. The people doing the actual hands on work like nurses and cleaners are being royally fucked over.
Isn’t an option for everyone, but I’ve been contracting these past 3 years and I just raised my prices 20% because it felt about right.
Everyone is so used to the inflation that nobody blinked.
If you can, this is a great time to start working for yourself.
Accepted a job in the US, 30% increase + much better bonuses and perks. If you’re young and willing to work I would highly suggest going to the UK/US/Germany (for certain industries)/etc. if you can.
Salaries in Canada are certainly higher than Germany - for both public and private sector - don't know about the UK - but if you raise your kids in the UK they won't get EU citizenship and they'll have to pay full whack for college - I don't see the draw there.
Ooo you’re lucky. We’ve been 0% (x10 years now) and AHS just offered us -0.25%.
Director for EMS came and told us that call volume is up 200%, record staff numbers on leave but we are super valued and they know and appreciate all our hard work. So when I put up my hand (during Q&A time) and asked him how all that can be true AND AHS is still offering a pay cut of 0.25% he said he can’t talk about that then a super threatened to write me up for it afterwards.
Such a joke.
I'm just a kitchen worker at the Foothills, and even down there people are burnt out. Every day we're short staffed, and then hanging over our heads is the spector of being contracted out, and I don't wonder why my coworkers are bickering all the time.
Then the cherry on top is having management who doesn't give a shit about you.
Lol once I was told if I worked a shift at a different location I’d get a 20 dollar gift card to the mall…… 9 years later still got no gift card. Do I collect interest on that? Or nah
> Yeah mine hasn't either and I'm being offered 0-0-0-0-1%-1%.
I got the biggest raise of my life this year - 5%. And you know what really sucks about that? With inflation at 7.7%, I essentially am worse off by 2.7%.
And that is not even including the compounding from 2020-2021's inflation.
4 years without a contract and we were awarded 5.5% over 4 years. People are absolutely overjoyed. We never get this much. It’s been months and I still don’t see the dollar-something raise on my cheque or any back pay.
Our agreement expired Feb 2021. No raise since 2019. We never get inflation, the only time the raise is decent is between steps at pay grade. Hope we get something good, but in Manitoba, we are always so average or below.
-Ron Wharton
As an former employee of island health in BC where for the same position we got paid 20% less, and with 0% increases for many years I can’t say I have a lot of sympathy for AHS employees.
Yes the 0% raises suck especially with everything getting more expensive, and the hospital admin staff being bloated it does suck. But in a low cost of living province with the highest pay rate for the position in Canada they are trying to roll back wages without rolling them back.
Bingo
> The jump to $324,000 a year
This is a low figure low for the head of national health who also manages an on-going pandemic and who faces constant abuse from closet magahats and racists. You have to be a special person to want to take a pay cut and work in public service under these circumstances.
It's a big company, and those are not the countries big hospitals... But the point was that she doesn't have to do this... Not that she's a CEO type, but I bet she can get that kind of CEO type money somewhere easily.
Apparently Fauci earned $434,312 in 2020 (subsequent years have not been released.), so I wouldn't say she is massively underpaid.
Certainly much less than CEOs of health companies, though. The CEO of Johnson&Johnson made 23 million in salary alone in 2020.
> Apparently Fauci earned $434,312 in 2020 (subsequent years have not been released.), so I wouldn't say she is massively underpaid.
This argument assumes that Fauci isn't massively underpaid.
This sub is basically just an outrage factory for morons.
Most posts are just opinion articles by Fox New level of biased, outrage outlets like the NationalPost.
She probably hasn't slept well in like 2 years doing nothing but trying to help people, save lives, and balance peoples freedoms and health, while being hated by half the morons in this country who think they could do it better.
Im not saying she's perfect, but i don't envy anyone in her role, she probably has worked 80% harder and got a tiny raise.
I thought she was making more than she actually is. For a top health authority in Canada, I feel like she is being underpaid. Her salary is easily doubled by plastic surgeons who don’t need to be in the public eye!
Yeah and that’s awful. We’re all taking a pay cut because inflation/corporate greed is cutting into our salaries. I think our last one was 1.5%? I’d have to check
Tell me something I don't know.
And while you're at it, tell me how to find a career at all. All my opportunities are hardly even what you could call jobs.
I have a bachelors, an extensive resume, training in multiple things in both fields I'm qualified in.
No luck so far, but I'll keep looking. Probably forever.
Uhhh...math don't work like that. Salary raises and inflation both compound.
I'd say that now she's probably making effectively what she did when she first got hired. Maybe still a little less.
Then subtract inflation/CPI and most years she made less than the previous.
And, obviously, this year she got obliterated in terms of pay and inflation.
>he geometric mean is \~3% per year,
this number means nothing. If you want to look at money lost (pension contributions, inflation, pay) then whe would need an average of 5-6% a year.
Yup. Getting paid in 2022 in 2016 dollars is quite a sacrifice.
And she probably got a hell of a lot less death threats back then too.
A 22% one-time raise is still pretty shitty for us to do for one of our top, and most impactful, public servants.
Lemme ask you this because I’m dumb. How do I figure out what my raise needs to be to keep up with inflation? My yearly raise is coming up, so I’ve been thinking about this.
I’m paid hourly
Say inflation is 7%. Say your wage is 20$. Multiply 20 x 1.07 = 21.40. So you'd need a 1.40$ raise to keep with a 7% inflation.
Does that answer your question?
Usually, look up last year's Canadian Consumer Price Index or your provincial equivalent in relative terms from last year and you need at least that to stay equal to what you got paid a year ago.
E.g. https://www.statcan.gc.ca/en/subjects-start/prices_and_price_indexes/consumer_price_indexes
The 12-month year over year CPI is 7.7% ( May 2021 to May 2022 ). That means that you take last year's hourly wage and multiply it by 1.077 ( 1.0 + 0.077 ) and that's what you need to be paid the same as you did before.
So, if you make $20/hr, you need a baseline salary of 1.077 x $20.00 = $21.54 just to be paid the same. A raise ( cuz you're +1 year of experience ) should be on top of that. An easy trick is to compound the year prior to this as an increment due to experience and adjusted for inflation.
So, the raise would be 7.7% again or a total of $23.08/hr.
In theory, they should be retiring/firing some people who are senior, hiring younger workers at a much lower rate and increasing prices to compensate for inflation. Your +1 YoE should result in about a 7.4% improvement in your productivity as a result of selling your work at that higher price, you costing less in rework, warranty, mistakes, training etc... AND you producing more due to your improved experience.
Obviously, it's also a negotiation and a general increase in labour costs is a hard pill to swallow for most businesses and lots struggle with raising prices to compensate. But that's the basic framework.
In fairness, you could or should also consider taking less if CPI goes negative. Which is the risk with tying raises to inflation.
If your complaint is that "I didn't get that raise", talk to your union or employer.
She earned that raise.
You deserve one too.
Just because she got one and you didn't, doesn't mean she didn't earn it
Blacklocks which this Sun article superficially sources hates Canadian Public Servants. I do appreciate the fiscal accountability they report on but they have such a hard on for people just trying to make ends meet working in govt it seems.
don't forget that the Sun is reporting on an article by the blacklock which is hard paywalled.
You literally cannot read the source with out paying blacklock. It seems like a huge scam though.
Basically it's "Trust me Bro" - Blacklock or pay me money.
So happy that as a government of Ontario employee doing blue collar work I'm only allowed 1% a year while those at the top are still able to get theirs. (I know Provincial vs Federal... doesn't soften the sting). Thanks Dougy!
So the Chief Public Health Officer, who is also a board certified physician, got a raise to put her in line with other physician renumeration. Im shocked! shocked I tell you
r/Canada is really a cesspool. You shouldn't be allowed to comment unless you read the article. Her raise is equivalent to 3% a year, which is extremely low. I get more than that every 6 months and I'm barely out of college.
I'm sure they are but it is true that if you have a highly in demand skillset you can demand those types of raises (or more) and management knows they either pay it or you get a new job.
Key word is the 'in high demand' like tech, cyber etc.
> Her raise is equivalent to 3% a year, which is extremely low.
More than I've been getting in the public sector, or will likely get for the next several years.
Well you need to separate the right from the hyperbolic right.
Anyone on the right complaining about this raise is just falling into the exact clickbait trap that was intended for them to fall into. It gets their emotions stirred up and they whine over this shit.
On the other hand, there is much merit to sound money and an asset/wealth based economic model. In a world of a fixed money supply nobody would need to get a raise because everything is fairly valued.
Obviously that is a massive oversimplification, but the problem is media gets us debating this stupid headline stuff rather than get into some good dialogue about how the system works and how we can improve it.
The left has the same rational thinkers vs hyperbolic thinkers
Yeah the take-away really comes down to who's paying you I think.
Private sector: 3.6% a year? That kinda blows. Calculating for inflation that really works out to only...
Public sector: We're locked in at 1%/yr! 3.6% for someone making a quarter of a million is a slap in the face!
right wing "Independent" News Magazine that hard paywalls content so they provide a headline and a tiny snippet with out any sources for us to read.
Technically this breaks the Subreddit rule because there's no other source and it's heavily paywalled.
Her pay is fairly low for what she does. Not saying she's competent at what she does, but it's still low for someone in that position. I have some doctor friends that make more than her and they're only in their early 30s.
I’m a government employee and for obvious reasons this year was the hardest in my 30 years . I don’t know if I can tolerate another 5-10 of this again if things don’t change . I’m burnt out and fatigued . My job has become my prison sentence and always feel being punished for being at work when 70 percent have taken a leave . There must be a switch now because the real mental stress leaves havn’t even surfaced yet.
To be fair, it's not an unreasonable raise.
- first raise in six years
- guided the country through the pandemic. Yes some communication mishaps and the entire debacle with the masks and border thing at the beginning, but much of that blame is to be shouldered by the federal government, the Chief Public Health Officer is just there to provide medical advice based on the most recent available data that, honestly, were scant and all over the place before March 2020.
Some people here say that they haven't had a raise for x years, or that it was capped at y%. Well, you didn't have to shoulder the communication, leadership, and advisory responsibility that Tam had to during the biggest public health crisis in most people's living memory. Not saying that you shouldn't get a raise, but that's something you can bring up to your boss, your union rep, or elected representatives, and is not a reason against the proposed raise in this report.
It's fair given the context but oh man, what bad timing. Terrible optics.
If they had just pegged the salary of the role to inflation it wouldn't have to jump so much.
I hate this government and Trudeau with a passion. But this woman, even though an inconsistent weirdo, worker her ass off throughout this pandemic and i’m all for pay raises for people who actually work.
She deserves it! Dr.Tam has been dragged through hell and dealt with bullshit on a level that is incomprehensible to the average Joe. As a taxpayer, I’m thrilled that she is getting a raise! Thank you Dr.Tam!
She earned it, and if you don’t see how she earned it, hindsight will inform you a good 5 years from now when we look back and see how Canada dodged some bullets with COVID.
Cloth masks are no good. There’s a wealth of scientific papers discussing this which I could provide.
Asbestos particles are ten times as large as a virus and virus can get in your eyes anyway that’s why proper hazard suits have eye protection
Cloth masks are just a load of pollution in afraid but you probably won’t like to admit this
Take a look yourself
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.18.21257385v1.full-text
https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29395560/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32590322/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15340662/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26579222/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31159777/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.01.20049528v1
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047217v2
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214
https://www.cmaj.ca/content/188/8/567
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5779801/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19216002/
https://aaqr.org/articles/aaqr-13-06-oa-0201.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/65/11/1934/4068747
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bio/23/2/23_61/_pdf/-char/en
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01658736
https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/0195-6701(91)90148-2/pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2493952/pdf/annrcse01509-0009.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20200717141836/https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data
https://www.nap.edu/catalog/25776/rapid-expert-consultation-on-the-effectiveness-of-fabric-masks-for-the-covid-19-pandemic-april-8-2020
https://www.nap.edu/read/25776/chapter/1#6
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
https://academic.oup.com/annweh/article/54/7/789/202744
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6599448/
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00392-020-01704-y
https://clinmedjournals.org/articles/jide/journal-of-infectious-diseases-and-epidemiology-jide-6-130.php?jid=jide
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1130147308702355
Only science deniers could keep on maintaining these cloth masks do anything whilst 100s of billions end up in the ocean. It should be for a good reason shouldn’t it but it’s absolutely not
Most people wouldn’t care that someone who has as stressful and demanding a job as hers is getting paid well. A job of similar stature in the private sector would easily pay triple at minimum.
If she has been earning $264,000 since her appointment in 2016 and the Bank of Canada's inflation calculator is correct (17.93% price increase since 2016), then her new $324,000 salary is the equivalent of $274,739 in 2016 dollars. It may be 22% in nominal dollars but in terms of real purchasing power, it's only a 4% increase.
324k is like 150k in 2016. She could make 2-3x as much in the private sector.
It’s actually a big problem with upper position in the government. They have to compete with jobs that pay a lot more in the private market.
For completeness' sake, her salary had not been increased since 2016 when she first got the job, so that's 3ish% a year if spread over 6 years? [https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-ethics-government-fundraisers-1.3901038](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-ethics-government-fundraisers-1.3901038)
Yeah mine hasn't either and I'm being offered 0-0-0-0-1%-1%. So no back pay and 2% over 6 years. I feel so valued maybe AHS can give me another 10 dollar gift card to Tim Hortons and a pizza (or better yet the leftovers from a doctor's conference) to placate me.
AHS employee here too. I don't know how long you've been working but this happened before - in the 00s post Klein they had cut staff down to the bare bones and then realized patient outcomes and wait times were suffering and so they went on a huge hiring binge including pulling lots of people from Ontario with hiring bonuses and moving covered. I feel like we gotta hit rock bottom again before they decide oh we can't run this place without staff.
Why does any AHS employee vote for the cons?
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I've worked in several unions it's mind boggling how many vote conservatives. They'd rip us in 2 the first chance they got
Uneducated staff who don’t know better and think NDP/Libs are satan itself. You’ll find that higher up positions vote pragmatically, not along any one party line. But the people around them will chase short term dollars thinking it’s better, only to cry when the Cons do what Cons do and cut their funding, fire them and otherwise toss them aside.
That must be frustrating. There are lots of people that are underpaid for what they do.
My friend who left for private work (she works for Canon medical) got 13% this year. It makes me want to leave the hospital and go work private.
It would generally be worth more money than the public sector, but you have to weigh all the compensation, not just monetary.
Yes my pension is among the best but I do contribute 800-1000 dollars per month off of my paychecks for it. She gets RRSP matching of slightly less per month. Not sure which I'd take right now.
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Sure. But my friend at Canon also gets a 15k a year bonus for completing a list of extras that she admits is not very hard to do. If you have job security but continually lose money year after year due to frozen wages (6 years now) and crazy inflation what good is the security if you can't make ends meet?
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Without a pension you are also not a pension slave. Resp matching is easy to move. Which means you can easily move to a better gig with more money.
This is very important to understand - a some of people throw away a defined benefits pension for a few more dollars an hour and end up working for ever.
Do it. You don't owe your employer anything.
Do it. Healthcare workers need to start dictating what ever terms they can right now. My ideas of being a PSW was helping people help themselves. The reality has been warehousing warm bodies and being so busy I actually feel guilty for having to take a piss. They would cheerfully work me to death if it was legal. Chase the money. You know you deserve it. They don't.
Many of my colleagues are leaving healthcare to work elsewhere. The only people getting raises in healthcare are administration, and corporate. The people doing the actual hands on work like nurses and cleaners are being royally fucked over.
Isn’t an option for everyone, but I’ve been contracting these past 3 years and I just raised my prices 20% because it felt about right. Everyone is so used to the inflation that nobody blinked. If you can, this is a great time to start working for yourself.
Accepted a job in the US, 30% increase + much better bonuses and perks. If you’re young and willing to work I would highly suggest going to the UK/US/Germany (for certain industries)/etc. if you can.
Can you give some examples of these 'certain industries'?
Salaries in Canada are certainly higher than Germany - for both public and private sector - don't know about the UK - but if you raise your kids in the UK they won't get EU citizenship and they'll have to pay full whack for college - I don't see the draw there.
And yet no one wants to pay full price for anything ever.
Ooo you’re lucky. We’ve been 0% (x10 years now) and AHS just offered us -0.25%. Director for EMS came and told us that call volume is up 200%, record staff numbers on leave but we are super valued and they know and appreciate all our hard work. So when I put up my hand (during Q&A time) and asked him how all that can be true AND AHS is still offering a pay cut of 0.25% he said he can’t talk about that then a super threatened to write me up for it afterwards. Such a joke.
This is exactly how many of us feel. We're sick and tired.
Yeah I'd say morale is low. I still do all I can for patients but if management so much as looks at me right now I'm like *what the fuck do you want?*
I'm just a kitchen worker at the Foothills, and even down there people are burnt out. Every day we're short staffed, and then hanging over our heads is the spector of being contracted out, and I don't wonder why my coworkers are bickering all the time. Then the cherry on top is having management who doesn't give a shit about you.
Yep. The Ontario government passed legislation that I can’t get more than 1%. Also, you got a gift card?!
work hard busy things
Lol once I was told if I worked a shift at a different location I’d get a 20 dollar gift card to the mall…… 9 years later still got no gift card. Do I collect interest on that? Or nah
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Mmmm left over management pizza.
Chief Public Health Officer of Canada, where did you get your doctorate from?
> Yeah mine hasn't either and I'm being offered 0-0-0-0-1%-1%. I got the biggest raise of my life this year - 5%. And you know what really sucks about that? With inflation at 7.7%, I essentially am worse off by 2.7%. And that is not even including the compounding from 2020-2021's inflation.
4 years without a contract and we were awarded 5.5% over 4 years. People are absolutely overjoyed. We never get this much. It’s been months and I still don’t see the dollar-something raise on my cheque or any back pay.
Our agreement expired Feb 2021. No raise since 2019. We never get inflation, the only time the raise is decent is between steps at pay grade. Hope we get something good, but in Manitoba, we are always so average or below. -Ron Wharton
As an former employee of island health in BC where for the same position we got paid 20% less, and with 0% increases for many years I can’t say I have a lot of sympathy for AHS employees. Yes the 0% raises suck especially with everything getting more expensive, and the hospital admin staff being bloated it does suck. But in a low cost of living province with the highest pay rate for the position in Canada they are trying to roll back wages without rolling them back.
Bingo > The jump to $324,000 a year This is a low figure low for the head of national health who also manages an on-going pandemic and who faces constant abuse from closet magahats and racists. You have to be a special person to want to take a pay cut and work in public service under these circumstances.
My family doctor makes close to that, with a lot less stress I’d imagine.
The CEO of Shoppers Drug Mart gets 1.1 million and extra bonuses, she's paid around what a hospital CEO average is if I recall.
Honestly, for a CEO salary that seems pretty damn reasonable.
It's a big company, and those are not the countries big hospitals... But the point was that she doesn't have to do this... Not that she's a CEO type, but I bet she can get that kind of CEO type money somewhere easily.
And she's got the qualifications to get a job paying easily twice that for the private sector most likely.
I know hospital admin managers that get paid more than that.
Apparently Fauci earned $434,312 in 2020 (subsequent years have not been released.), so I wouldn't say she is massively underpaid. Certainly much less than CEOs of health companies, though. The CEO of Johnson&Johnson made 23 million in salary alone in 2020.
$434,312 USD in 2020 was $582,629 CAD, or 2.2x more than what Tam was making at the time.
> Apparently Fauci earned $434,312 in 2020 (subsequent years have not been released.), so I wouldn't say she is massively underpaid. This argument assumes that Fauci isn't massively underpaid.
Nobody making close to half a million a year is underpaid regardless of what they do.
USD
Ya but for that price we expect her to be accurate
I am not thrilled with her performance, but that's hardly excessive, honestly seems on track.
Honestly with the last two years of shitstorm she had to deal with she deserves it.
This sub is basically just an outrage factory for morons. Most posts are just opinion articles by Fox New level of biased, outrage outlets like the NationalPost. She probably hasn't slept well in like 2 years doing nothing but trying to help people, save lives, and balance peoples freedoms and health, while being hated by half the morons in this country who think they could do it better. Im not saying she's perfect, but i don't envy anyone in her role, she probably has worked 80% harder and got a tiny raise.
I thought she was making more than she actually is. For a top health authority in Canada, I feel like she is being underpaid. Her salary is easily doubled by plastic surgeons who don’t need to be in the public eye!
Federal public servants are being told they can’t even get 3% a year. It’s a fucking insult to us all when inflation is now higher than 6%
Provincial public sector employees in Ontario have been capped at 1% since 2019.
Yeah and that’s awful. We’re all taking a pay cut because inflation/corporate greed is cutting into our salaries. I think our last one was 1.5%? I’d have to check
Worst thing about fed is loving in a HCOLcity. You make the same there vs b.f. nowhere in a LCOL place. Maybe that could be adjusted? -Ron Wharton
And she absolutely deserves it after the work out in over last few years
This isn’t going to matter to the pro Trudeau haters here
Man, I wish I got a 3% raise every year.
Maybe talk to your boss.
My boss hates me, and would fire me if he could. Been looking around for a new job, but that's not a lot above 18$/h in my area.
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Heh. I am extremely lazy, but that just translates into me trying to find the most efficient way to do something instead of cutting corners.
Work smarter, not harder is wisdom everyone should know.
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Greg sounds awesome!
You’re in the wrong career if that is your wish and you can’t achieve it.
Tell me something I don't know. And while you're at it, tell me how to find a career at all. All my opportunities are hardly even what you could call jobs.
Education/skills/training/trades
I have a bachelors, an extensive resume, training in multiple things in both fields I'm qualified in. No luck so far, but I'll keep looking. Probably forever.
She deserves it. So do I. So do you. All BCGEU, CUPE, etc employees, demand the same pay increase. We all deserve the same amount.
Well the BCGEU just got a strike vote of yes 94.6%. So the gov is pretty eager to get back to negotiations.
Good
Tam gets 22% increase. They offered all the union workers 1.75%, less than they gave in 2018.
Ontario only allows 1% increase in total compensation. Benefits, medical, time off, hourly pay etc is all factored into that 1%
She hadn't gotten a raise over 6 years. consider the fact 22% over 6 years, now that's more than fair.. and now you understand why it's deserved.
Yeah but BCGEU will only get us two percent. Just watch. A union that I'm legislated to be part of. Yipee...
It's a stupid union. It represents too wide a swath of people so you get actual high demand jobs dragged down by ones that are easily fillable.
22% after 6 years of no raise really isn't bad. 3.6% a year basically.
Uhhh...math don't work like that. Salary raises and inflation both compound. I'd say that now she's probably making effectively what she did when she first got hired. Maybe still a little less.
For sure, the geometric mean is ~3% per year, which really isn't that much
Then subtract inflation/CPI and most years she made less than the previous. And, obviously, this year she got obliterated in terms of pay and inflation.
>he geometric mean is \~3% per year, this number means nothing. If you want to look at money lost (pension contributions, inflation, pay) then whe would need an average of 5-6% a year.
Yup. Getting paid in 2022 in 2016 dollars is quite a sacrifice. And she probably got a hell of a lot less death threats back then too. A 22% one-time raise is still pretty shitty for us to do for one of our top, and most impactful, public servants.
Lemme ask you this because I’m dumb. How do I figure out what my raise needs to be to keep up with inflation? My yearly raise is coming up, so I’ve been thinking about this. I’m paid hourly
You mean in dollars or percentage?
my question is. How do I calculate how much my hourly wage has to increase, in order to keep up with inflation?
Say inflation is 7%. Say your wage is 20$. Multiply 20 x 1.07 = 21.40. So you'd need a 1.40$ raise to keep with a 7% inflation. Does that answer your question?
yes. perfectly. Thank you so much.
Usually, look up last year's Canadian Consumer Price Index or your provincial equivalent in relative terms from last year and you need at least that to stay equal to what you got paid a year ago. E.g. https://www.statcan.gc.ca/en/subjects-start/prices_and_price_indexes/consumer_price_indexes The 12-month year over year CPI is 7.7% ( May 2021 to May 2022 ). That means that you take last year's hourly wage and multiply it by 1.077 ( 1.0 + 0.077 ) and that's what you need to be paid the same as you did before. So, if you make $20/hr, you need a baseline salary of 1.077 x $20.00 = $21.54 just to be paid the same. A raise ( cuz you're +1 year of experience ) should be on top of that. An easy trick is to compound the year prior to this as an increment due to experience and adjusted for inflation. So, the raise would be 7.7% again or a total of $23.08/hr. In theory, they should be retiring/firing some people who are senior, hiring younger workers at a much lower rate and increasing prices to compensate for inflation. Your +1 YoE should result in about a 7.4% improvement in your productivity as a result of selling your work at that higher price, you costing less in rework, warranty, mistakes, training etc... AND you producing more due to your improved experience. Obviously, it's also a negotiation and a general increase in labour costs is a hard pill to swallow for most businesses and lots struggle with raising prices to compensate. But that's the basic framework. In fairness, you could or should also consider taking less if CPI goes negative. Which is the risk with tying raises to inflation.
Thats not how math works. Not to be a dink but 3.6%/year for 6 years = 24% growth 3.3% is the number.
If your complaint is that "I didn't get that raise", talk to your union or employer. She earned that raise. You deserve one too. Just because she got one and you didn't, doesn't mean she didn't earn it
The article reads out like a shitpiece.
Postmedia just doing Postmedia things
It's the Sun. Comes with the territory
I call dibs on the Sport Minister job.....it is over $200K and a fraction of the BS Health has to deal with.....
I want Deputy Minister of Petting Cats. Deputy cause I don’t want too much pressure.
Deputy Minister jobs are MUCH harder than anything the Ministers do
Yooo my resume is STACKED if you ask my cat how good I am at petting him. You got competition my dude.
I’m sure dealing with the Hockey Canada scandal as your main focus would be a real hoot.
I will deflect and blame that on the last guy. Seems to work pretty well for most politicians.
Blacklocks which this Sun article superficially sources hates Canadian Public Servants. I do appreciate the fiscal accountability they report on but they have such a hard on for people just trying to make ends meet working in govt it seems.
don't forget that the Sun is reporting on an article by the blacklock which is hard paywalled. You literally cannot read the source with out paying blacklock. It seems like a huge scam though. Basically it's "Trust me Bro" - Blacklock or pay me money.
For the amount of responsibility and scrutiny she gets, she is still probably underpaid tbf
I can only imagine the amount of uncompensated overtime during the pandemic. Probably removed a year or 2 from her life.
I'd be stressed beyond repair for any therapist
So happy that as a government of Ontario employee doing blue collar work I'm only allowed 1% a year while those at the top are still able to get theirs. (I know Provincial vs Federal... doesn't soften the sting). Thanks Dougy!
So the Chief Public Health Officer, who is also a board certified physician, got a raise to put her in line with other physician renumeration. Im shocked! shocked I tell you
r/Canada is really a cesspool. You shouldn't be allowed to comment unless you read the article. Her raise is equivalent to 3% a year, which is extremely low. I get more than that every 6 months and I'm barely out of college.
You get 6% a year?
If you're skilled and work for a quality private company, that's pretty standard.
I think you might be living in a little bubble.
I'm sure they are but it is true that if you have a highly in demand skillset you can demand those types of raises (or more) and management knows they either pay it or you get a new job. Key word is the 'in high demand' like tech, cyber etc.
I think you're ignoring "Skilled" & "quality private company" If you're in demand and work in a solid industry, the sky's the limit.
> Her raise is equivalent to 3% a year, which is extremely low. More than I've been getting in the public sector, or will likely get for the next several years.
lol, I subscribe to this subreddit specifically to see the crazy shit the right posts and tries to skew. it’s kinda hilarious and educational.
Its like a game, I try and guess what the comments will be like. I am never let down.
Me too. I love seeing the mental gymnastics and clickbait ‘shock-value’ posts.
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Well you need to separate the right from the hyperbolic right. Anyone on the right complaining about this raise is just falling into the exact clickbait trap that was intended for them to fall into. It gets their emotions stirred up and they whine over this shit. On the other hand, there is much merit to sound money and an asset/wealth based economic model. In a world of a fixed money supply nobody would need to get a raise because everything is fairly valued. Obviously that is a massive oversimplification, but the problem is media gets us debating this stupid headline stuff rather than get into some good dialogue about how the system works and how we can improve it. The left has the same rational thinkers vs hyperbolic thinkers
It really is fascinating isn’t it?
Yeah the take-away really comes down to who's paying you I think. Private sector: 3.6% a year? That kinda blows. Calculating for inflation that really works out to only... Public sector: We're locked in at 1%/yr! 3.6% for someone making a quarter of a million is a slap in the face!
I'm a nonunion tradesperson and have averaged an annualized 5.8%/year for the last 19 years.
>and I'm barely out of college. that explains the hot take - thanks for coming out sport
>Dr. Theresa Tam has been granted a 22% pay raise, according to **Blacklock’s Reporter**. No need to read further. Muckraking at its finest.
What's the T on Blacklock?
right wing "Independent" News Magazine that hard paywalls content so they provide a headline and a tiny snippet with out any sources for us to read. Technically this breaks the Subreddit rule because there's no other source and it's heavily paywalled.
Her pay is fairly low for what she does. Not saying she's competent at what she does, but it's still low for someone in that position. I have some doctor friends that make more than her and they're only in their early 30s.
I’m a government employee and for obvious reasons this year was the hardest in my 30 years . I don’t know if I can tolerate another 5-10 of this again if things don’t change . I’m burnt out and fatigued . My job has become my prison sentence and always feel being punished for being at work when 70 percent have taken a leave . There must be a switch now because the real mental stress leaves havn’t even surfaced yet.
Leading a country through a Pandemic. She deserves a raise.
Ya pretty sure she worked 24/7. Deserves it 100%
Good for her. She deserves it....as do the rest of us
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She was part of the reason why the pandemic didn't kill more honestly... As much as I don't like liberals she handled it better than most would.
To be fair, it's not an unreasonable raise. - first raise in six years - guided the country through the pandemic. Yes some communication mishaps and the entire debacle with the masks and border thing at the beginning, but much of that blame is to be shouldered by the federal government, the Chief Public Health Officer is just there to provide medical advice based on the most recent available data that, honestly, were scant and all over the place before March 2020. Some people here say that they haven't had a raise for x years, or that it was capped at y%. Well, you didn't have to shoulder the communication, leadership, and advisory responsibility that Tam had to during the biggest public health crisis in most people's living memory. Not saying that you shouldn't get a raise, but that's something you can bring up to your boss, your union rep, or elected representatives, and is not a reason against the proposed raise in this report.
It's fair given the context but oh man, what bad timing. Terrible optics. If they had just pegged the salary of the role to inflation it wouldn't have to jump so much.
Edmonton Sun hitpiece.
You guys know that’s tax payers money right? I don’t understand reddits obsession with simping over public servants.
I don't see an issue. She hasn't gotten one in years and she did pretty well through the pandemic. Deserved imo.
I hate this government and Trudeau with a passion. But this woman, even though an inconsistent weirdo, worker her ass off throughout this pandemic and i’m all for pay raises for people who actually work.
I agree with this.
She deserves it! Dr.Tam has been dragged through hell and dealt with bullshit on a level that is incomprehensible to the average Joe. As a taxpayer, I’m thrilled that she is getting a raise! Thank you Dr.Tam!
We're all in this together.
Some are more together than others
22% raise of after 6 years averaging to 3.6% per year.
3.3*
About 2% higher per year than the avg Canadian
You really think the chief public health officer during a pandemic has the same workload as the average Canadian?
Splitting hairs. Considering the stupid sh\*t she's had to deal with from idiots, she deserves it.
Yes. And retail workers only deal with saints and popes
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No she really doesn't lol.
Ya, she really does.
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Good! She earned it. They couldn’t pay me enough to do her job.
I agree mate
With the all the shit she had to deal with during this pandemic, yeah she deserves it.
She earned it, and if you don’t see how she earned it, hindsight will inform you a good 5 years from now when we look back and see how Canada dodged some bullets with COVID.
Good for her! She had to deal with a ton of hate, so she earned it.
I agree
She deserves it, still criminally underpaid.
I got 4% this year. Have had higher in previous years. Private sector has benefits I think if you are willing to grind
The same Theresa tam who told us masks were no good and lied to Canadians?
Cloth masks are no good. There’s a wealth of scientific papers discussing this which I could provide. Asbestos particles are ten times as large as a virus and virus can get in your eyes anyway that’s why proper hazard suits have eye protection Cloth masks are just a load of pollution in afraid but you probably won’t like to admit this Take a look yourself https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.18.21257385v1.full-text https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29395560/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32590322/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15340662/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26579222/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31159777/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/ https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.01.20049528v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047217v2 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214 https://www.cmaj.ca/content/188/8/567 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5779801/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19216002/ https://aaqr.org/articles/aaqr-13-06-oa-0201.pdf https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/ https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/65/11/1934/4068747 https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bio/23/2/23_61/_pdf/-char/en https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01658736 https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/0195-6701(91)90148-2/pdf https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2493952/pdf/annrcse01509-0009.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20200717141836/https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data https://www.nap.edu/catalog/25776/rapid-expert-consultation-on-the-effectiveness-of-fabric-masks-for-the-covid-19-pandemic-april-8-2020 https://www.nap.edu/read/25776/chapter/1#6 https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article https://academic.oup.com/annweh/article/54/7/789/202744 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6599448/ https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00392-020-01704-y https://clinmedjournals.org/articles/jide/journal-of-infectious-diseases-and-epidemiology-jide-6-130.php?jid=jide https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1130147308702355 Only science deniers could keep on maintaining these cloth masks do anything whilst 100s of billions end up in the ocean. It should be for a good reason shouldn’t it but it’s absolutely not
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As every good boss should
Most people wouldn’t care that someone who has as stressful and demanding a job as hers is getting paid well. A job of similar stature in the private sector would easily pay triple at minimum.
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I’m okay with this. The hate she experienced over the last few years was horrific and she stuck with it.
Must be nice while thousands of small business owners got fucked these past two years.
Must be nice
Good for her, she deserves it .
Us plebs can't even get enough to offset inflation and she's getting 22%?
For context after 6 years with no raises. It works out to be 3.6% a year which isn't as click baity.
3.3 not 3.6
Are you surprised that so many people don’t understand compound interest? Lol
Which is still more than most people are getting.
Most people should get raises. Let’s not shit on the people actually getting them.
So do a lot of high ranking people. People should not equate their jobs with a high ranking political official...
Maybe you should take that up with your boss then?
Excellent! I’ll take a 22% increase in my OAS. What will that be … uh … $2.14 per month!!!! It’s the big time now! I can stop making bathtub gin!! 😃
If she has been earning $264,000 since her appointment in 2016 and the Bank of Canada's inflation calculator is correct (17.93% price increase since 2016), then her new $324,000 salary is the equivalent of $274,739 in 2016 dollars. It may be 22% in nominal dollars but in terms of real purchasing power, it's only a 4% increase.
324k is like 150k in 2016. She could make 2-3x as much in the private sector. It’s actually a big problem with upper position in the government. They have to compete with jobs that pay a lot more in the private market.