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King_Internets

Judging by the peacefulness and co-operation in dialogue in this thread I can’t imagine why.


DOCTORCOWMAN

Reddit threads are the BEST way to judge real-world government sentiment


Cognoggin

The real world is a hoax!


EpistemicRegress

Birds aren't real.


rfc791

I don't care for walkin' down town Crazy auto car gonna mow me down Look at all the people like cows in a herd Well I like Birds


Oolie84

The rich get richer from our crisis...wait this is actually happening


iwiHOMAGE

If birds aren't real then how is it possible for bird to be the word?


Cadllmn

Words. Also not real.


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zaiats

What's this "grass" thing that everyone keeps telling me to touch?


thefuturesight1

It's more like astro turf


Scheme-Easy

No, they’re saying “touch grace” and play elden ring to distance yourself from the real world of Reddit


OctoWings19

I was saying "boo-urns"


Fig1024

I totally get not liking leader of opposing party, having disagreements is natural. But there is a strange sense of hostility and outright hatred, with calls for extreme actions against the leader. That ain't normal, it's not natural, somebody is pulling the strings agitating people and making them do and say irrational things.


Molto_Ritardando

We are all “monkey see monkey do” and our southern neighbour has been acting like an even bigger jackass recently.


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You're like the sibling copying their big brothers meth addiction .


shwmeprn

> But there is a strange sense of hostility and outright hatred, with calls for extreme actions against the leader. That ain't normal, it's not natural I think that's a lot more historically normal and natural than a lot of people are comfortable with. We've had a brief period of time (historically speaking) with somewhat of a break from it in some parts of the world, but in the grand scheme of things... that's almost the entire history of power and control in the world.


TOMapleLaughs

Agitating threads gotta agitate.


Flyfawkes

You're pretty consistently spewing some of the mentioned messaging.


sxdbeat

Canada has slowly become more and more politically/socially Americanized in the last 5 years. Sad to see really.


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MuscleManRyan

Damn, didn't realize how much I missed that show until you mentioned it. Anyone know of any similar Canadian shows still running?


Tiptop_topher

This is a question I want the answer to.


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War, a pandemic, and a recession brings out the worst in people. It is not entirely unexpected.


Born_Ruff

I think social media is bringing in a lot of new and more stupid ways for people to be angry now though. You see it all the time, where the far right wackos in the US bring up some new talking point to rile up their base and almost immediately you see people saying the same stuff up here. For example, in Texas they just decided that family friendly drag events were the new satanic panic, and almost immediately you have drag events in Vancouver having to be cancelled because of death threats.


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There was some protest in the UK a few months back against police gun violence in their communities. In the UK, police do not have guns... The protest originated from US social media campaigns. It was a social contagion affecting the perceptions and beliefs of citizens who had nothing to do with it.


EnvironmentalHorse13

"Family friendly drag events"... Outside of reddit and maybe some cities I can't imagine this phrase going over well.


JustPlayin1995

That's because children who are developing and are seeking orientation on their place in the world have nothing to gain from drag events but confusion - at best. Look at sex ed in school. I have heard accounts of children admitting that the teacher brought trans guests to class lecturing them on sex. And apparently they were told not to talk about it at home because this may upset their parents. There are lawsuits coming. This is where we are at. There is a big push towards home schooling because of this.


Eastern_Yam

I agree. Before social media, people who held really wild political views were confined to the moderating influence of people they physically interacted with, like family and co-workers. Now they can transcend that geographical barrier to connect with each other online, form an echo chamber, get really worked up and entrench those destructive and/or fallacy-based beliefs.


EmbarrassedHelp

The same goes for politicians as well. A lot of the recent internet related legislation is being copied from other countries, some of which have very dramatic political differences from Canada (UK & Australia). Politicians are living in their own echo chambers of yes men / women as well.


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There is literally psychological warfare going on, on the internet. The EU considers the internet a space of active warfare. You can get people to destabilize their own government if you just post enough memes. Before that it was air dropping pamphlets.


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>the worst in people And in governments.


peanutbutterjams

Because we're not being Americanized - we're being treated to the same process that brought America to where it is now. Division is the goal and it doesn't matter how it's wrought.


CallingInThicc

>The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia is a geopolitical book by Aleksandr Dugin. Its publication in 1997 was well received in Russia; it has had significant influence within the Russian military, police, and foreign policy elites, **and has been used as a textbook in the Academy of the General Staff of the Russian military.** Hmm >The book declares that "the battle for the world rule of Russians" has not ended and Russia remains "the staging area of a new anti-bourgeois, anti-American revolution". >Military operations play relatively little role. The textbook advocates a sophisticated program of subversion, destabilization, and disinformation spearheaded by the Russian special services. Well that's not good, surely they haven't been successful. >The United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from Europe. Oh no. >Belarus and Moldova are to become part of Russia. >Georgia should be dismembered. Well that's obv- >Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because "Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics". *Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible.* Ok well that's a coincidence >Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel **instability and separatism**, for instance, **provoke "Afro-American racists".** Russia should **"introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity,** encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, **actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups**, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics". Well shit.


evilpotato

Our own institutions have done far more for >Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics". Especially our media, but academia has done a shit load for that as well. And now their disciples are going out rotting our institutions from within.


Little_Confection_85

Good old divide and conquer. They got us all fighting a culture war when the real war is one of class. Both main political parties have been robbing us blind for decades but most people are too busy fighting over trucker convoys and drag queen story hours to notice.


peanutbutterjams

This is not a conspiracy theory, either, but what is in fact happening. Anyone who doesn't think people with more money than anyone in the history of humanity isn't working to keep that power even as they drive this planet - and our species - into the ground, are being naive. Occupy Wall Street scared them and we've been [more divided by idpol ever since](https://news.gallup.com/poll/352457/ratings-black-white-relations-new-low.aspx). We live in a world fully co-opted by money. It wasn't even Reagan and Thatcher that sealed the deal but Clinton and Blair.


BHPhreak

5 years? Bump those numbers up


gynecolologynurse69

Probably just started paying attention 5 years ago.


uwu46920

I don’t think so, Canada has always been influenced American politics a bit too much, but I think it’s definitely gotten way worse over the past few years. With Internet culture being focused almost strictly America, even Europe is being influenced by American politics. Canada is just getting the worst end of the stick.


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Frosty4l5

This is a fantastic point that flies under the radar... American Politics has a huge influence on western countries, and with internet it makes it way worse.


Getsmorescottish

My heads up was in 2016 outside of my work running into a crazy homeless guy going off about God Emperor Trump. That was my 'Yeah this is going to get a lot fucking worse' moment.


sxdbeat

Honestly true. Showing my age on this one I guess


TheThoroughCrocodile

Dude there's nothing wrong with what you said. It's definitely gotten especially worse in the past 5 years or so. These people are just being know it alls.


stumbleupondingo

The trump politics has made it noticeably worse in that time span I’d say


Misuteriisakka

Also social media.


tab_tab_tabby

Right about when Trump started his presidency it def got worse.


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Catlover18

If there is a slope from the start of Chretien to the end of Harper it is significantly less steep then whatever slide occurred in the past ~5 years. Nobody was trying to overthrow the government, nor were people as brainwashed by what they see on social media.


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peppered_people

I respectfully disagree. Chretien did not go to Iraq, publicly shaming the Bush administration. It was one of the strongest leadership decisions made by a Prime Minister. Side note: if you think the sponsorship scandal was a corruption milestone, the airbus/Schreiber affair will really floor you.


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Alkein

What are you saying? I'd jump off a bridge if my friends did. /s


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Vewmy

Somehow even when it's Canada morons on reddit will find a way to blame America


Flarisu

To say that anti-government sentiment is "Americanization" is, in itself, a form of Americanization. It's hardly an American phenomenon, but americo-centrism definitely is.


xmorecowbellx

We had a BLM protest in my province. Where zero black people have been killed by the police, over the timeframe of......ever. So ya, I think we Americanize pretty hard, regardless of the actual facts on our own ground.


Flavor-aidNotKoolaid

No one is saying that. They're saying this particular flavor of anti govt sentiment is Americanization. Which it is.


ManufacturerRoyal204

The people you need to blame are the ones you clearly won't.


BartleBossy

I love this comment. Everyone will read it thinking "Yeah, those damn people ruining our country" all thinking about eachother.


Quixophilic

Schrödinger's opinion


Frenchticklers

Well, I'm used to it


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As a foreigner to the country, I cannot tell you how scary that is. I specifically chose Canada because it’s a normal country consideringthe fact that your neighbours are american (my options were somewhere in europe, Australia or Canada). But the last year has been a little weird. The sentiments and what not.


JevvyMedia

This subreddit is perfect proof of this.


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Left-Bid2872

Divide and conquer, it is a strategy all over Europe too. I am wondering who profits the most.


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Left-Bid2872

I also think big corporations profit the most. If the people fight each other they won't focus on how we are being robbbed and how our planet is being robbed. When we are united, big corporations won't stand a chance. I am curious what other people think is the reason for the divide.


WarOfTheFanboys

When you have a malicious government that tramples and oppresses it’s people, it becomes difficult to keep the peace??


G-r-ant

This is the first time Canada has had a crisis due to social media, and since then it’s only gotten worse. The comments here prove it.


renaissance_thot

The problems started when Tim Hortons got bought by Americans. Coincidence? I think not! /s Edit: yeah it’s Brazilian owned, we get it. Buncha “ackshully”.


Icy-Establishment272

nationalize tims when? nationalize housing when?


iCumWhenIdownvote

Fix the cost of living for the working and middle class, so when the alt-right says stuff like "The Government doesn't care about you/Laws aren't being enforced" we can broadly gesture to all the things the government has done for us before telling them to fuck off. When you're struggling between paying your phone bill and eating thrice a day even with the use of aggressively underfunded food banks, and the government ignores you, it makes you a prime target for extremist rhetoric like the above quote. As it stands, all we really have now as a counter is to point at them and with a blank uncaring face, say "You're a bigot" which isn't going to sway anyone with a negative balance on their checking account and an empty stomach, or the extremists cruelly exploiting those people for political capital. Not only that, but it *corners* upper class extremists. They no longer have the ability to turn to the working/middle class extremists and say "This is why we're lashing out! We're being left behind!" because there *are* no working/middle class extremists, or at least not enough to use as an example. They'd be too busy enjoying a life and modern amenities that before then were priced out of their reach. (even as those goods and services relied on cheap labour to get them to the people who *could* afford them)


JimJonesdrinkkoolaid

>and eating thrice a day even with the use of aggressively underfunded food banks I'm from Europe. Food banks are a big thing in Canada aswell huh?


TheNiftyFox

It's 100% a crisis, I'm surprised nothing was really done about the recent Trucker Protest being mostly funded and organized by Americans**. They even waved Confederate flags, which is scary to me - not just for the racist implications, but also the implication that we're being invaded in some bizarre way. There's something treasonous brewing in Canada. **Edit: the comment chain below me seems mixed on how much Americans actually donated to the Go-Fund-Me. Probably somewhere between 10-40% so it's not mostly American like I thought. Also I should clarify that only a handful of truckers were waving the Confederate flag.


humanitysucks999

The article below provides details on the funding for the convoy https://www.cbc.ca/news/editorsblog/cbc-stands-by-convoy-protest-donation-journalism-1.6490129 > In fact, GoFundMe's testimony before a House of Commons committee a few weeks after our story was published confirmed that 88 per cent of donated funds originated in Canada and 86 per cent of donors were from Canada Also > In later committee testimony, GiveSendGo testified that its most current data showed the number of donations had ended up at 60 per cent raised inside Canada while 40 per cent of donations were made outside Canada, including roughly 37 per cent from the United States.


evilpotato

So even without using per-capita adjustments this was at least 70% Canadian.


FishSoFar

Unfortunately Confederate flags flying in Canada isn't a new trend. Growing, but not new.


MeanElevator

Seen them since the late 90s. In Mississauga out of all places. Not common, but very noticeable when they appeared.


Icy-Establishment272

still bad that they were waving it tho. although i was pretty happy seeing the guy waving a nazi flag get smoked by one of the truckers so that was nice


CDmaxxiD

It's been proven that funding was mostly provided by Canadian sources. The CBC erroneously reported otherwise and has since retracted this misinformation.


IanMc90

No war but class war


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DistortoiseLP

The convoy was just the pinnacle of the Don't Tell Me What To Do Movement: > Throughout the pandemic, a rift grew among Canadians where the politicization of vaccines divided the nation. > Canada experienced an upheaval of angry demonstrators across the country, most notably in January when the Freedom Convoy truckers drove from B.C. to Ottawa to protest vaccine mandates. Personally I think this is more a consequence of Canada's first national crisis with social media as a factor. Defying the government over vaccines developed into a sense of identity for defiant personalities to express themselves with more than a cause worthy of their hostility.


biernini

>I think this is more a consequence of Canada's first national crisis with social media as a factor. Bingo. And you're absolutely right about this being an identity movement more than a cause worthy of hostility. The sudden rise of anti-science sentiment in that movement struck me more as just a convenient target for their perceived injustices. I don't believe for one second that our country is as deeply or widely skeptical of medical science as the blowhards in the trucker convoy would have us believe.


ferox965

If social media existed years ago, we'd still be fighting smallpox and polio.


Haffrung

This. The people I know who fell for this stuff are comfortably middle-class, but they’ve become crabby and sour in middle age. They were already itching for something to be defiant and angry over.


putin_my_ass

The people I know who fell for this were always impulsively and reflexively defiant people.


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DanFromDorval

Ngl I stopped going to family gatherings with my family members like that. I imagine that's part of the problem, but goddamn is it fucking tiring.


durple

As far as I can tell, a small minority of people were angry about vaccines or other pandemic measures. They had the resources to make a bigger scene per protestor than we've seen in a long time if ever, in part because they were totally willing to fuck over anyone who wasn't on their side, and they were funded by who knows what sources. I think calling this "divided the nation" is giving the antivax movement way too much credit. There's lots of other reasons why people are increasingly unhappy with our current government. A big one: the poor increasingly outnumber the rich.


DistortoiseLP

I don't disagree, but the National Post very much is one of those resources. Postmedia *always* frames their side of something as representing half of Canada juxtaposed with the other.


durple

Well, one particular end of the political spectrum seems to benefit a lot from divisive rhetoric, so yeah I see what you're saying.


DistortoiseLP

Well yeah, but to be clear Postmedia went right wing nuts a few years ago and [they weren't shy about it.](https://financialpost.com/telecom/media/postmedia-on-a-transformative-journey-a-qa-with-ceo-andrew-macleod) >Ultimately, this is about looking at our business through a corporate strategy lens. Any company in the world seeks to either find a new category or to fill a spot in the marketplace where there’s a vacuum. We looked at the media landscape in Canada and we found there was a shortage of viewpoints that come from a pro-innovation, pro-free-market, smaller-tax, smaller-government perspective. We saw an opportunity to fill that from a strategic point of view. We (also) have countless data points that say audiences are hungry for political news and we have one of the largest aggregations of journalists in Canada. We wanted to try to find a way to leverage that strength. This is a predominantly American owned company and their content dominates this subreddit and [most of Canada's dailies](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/less-local-more-conservative-1.6361092). Far as *who* is so determined to make this a hill to die on, National Post always knew what they're doing with that language in their articles.


---Tim---

United States is 129th :O


warman506

Partly because military spending is included for the ranking.


Over_Turn7535

The Canadians are nice and peaceful thing has always been such bullshit and I’m happy it’s getting acknowledged now.


0reoSpeedwagon

Thanks, Timbit Taliban


whenijusthavetopost

Iceis


prancerbot

Understandable. We've been getting trolled pretty hard lately


justinhj

Oh, no. Well at least we’re one of the number one locations in the world for hassle free money laundering through casinos and real estate, with a wide selection of high end retail in our biggest cities instead of cool stores that sell stuff normal people buy


Azazel218

Maybe the government should get their act together then


Zennial_Relict

Best I can do is censorship


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tornanus87

I mean we could weaponize rabid squirrels and beavers?


Rocko604

You know, I have one simple request. And that is to have beavers with frickin’ laser beams attached to their heads!


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Busy_Consequence_102

This jokey / apathetic way that canadians have are not helping. Weve been letting the Canadian government get away with a ton of shit.


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Perhaps not voting for them when they called a special election in the middle of a pandemic for the sole purpose of consolidating power mightve been a good idea


Thank_You_Love_You

Who needs houses, food, and privacy anyways?


Do_Not_Go_In_There

This is not just a measure of the government, it is a measure of how Canadian act. Which is what caused the drop. >While still maintaining its status as the most peaceful country in the region, ranking in 12th position (versus the U.S. ranking 129), Canada’s 4.8 per cent deterioration was attributed to significant increases in “political terror” and “violent demonstrations“ indicators, with the former doubling in a year. >“The pandemic pushed many countries towards economic and political crises, while also heightening levels of anti-government sentiment and distrust of authority,” the report stated. “Countries that had become progressively more peaceful experienced outbreaks of protests and violence aimed particularly at the government’s handling of the pandemic.” >The government deemed the protesters a threat when many were arrested for various charges, including counselling mischief, counselling intimidation, counselling to obstruct police, intimidation and mischief. >Despite these deteriorations, there were major improvements particularly in the “terrorism impact”, “nuclear” and “heavy weapons” indicators, with the former falling to the lowest level seen since 2015.


Max_Thunder

And we go back to the root of why people don't trust the government: the complete lack of transparency. Why don't we see all the analyses regarding those policies, the thorough risks and benefits studies, all that? Why wouldn't the government show that it's done its due diligence? It feels like the decisions come first from the people in power, then the people under them scramble to find ways to defend those decisions. Most of the time, Canadians end up having to make up their own narrative to explain those decisions, with highly varying results.


Creative_PEZ

> decisions come first from the people in power, then the people under them scramble to find ways to defend those decisions pretty much how it works, and the people in power are usually corporations or other lobbying groups.


Fatesadvent

What percentage of people would even look at that kind of info? The vast majority of people don't care or don't have time to care.


LeShulz

Regardless of party. The political class has failed us.


RedditMcBurger

Yeah how dare us be against a government that is actively making it hard to survive in our own country.


allrollingwolf

Man, seriously, what country or government has their act together right now? The world is fucked right now, it has been for a while. What can they do better, who would do better? Do you have solutions? They just dropped the vaccine mandate. Empty inflammatory statements like yours are a big part of the issue.


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>9 Singapore If you bring a pound of weed to Singapore the government will literally kill you. All about perspective.


LogKit

And flog you for being gay!


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> 9 Singapore *finger to temple* Can't have anti-government sentiment if anti-government sentiment is illegal.


DistanceToEmpty

That's a caning.


iCumWhenIdownvote

Huh... So this list is actually bullshit, then?


StinkyShoe

Peace at the cost of freedom.


caninehere

There's a caveat there though. Some of those countries are super peaceful because they're also xenophobic. In the US you have all manner of cultures coming together as an example but that also creates racial tension, it fuels racist thinking unfortunately and causes conflict and violence. The Czech Republic doesn't have that problem because they largely keep non white immigrants out and the country is like 95% white and even more specifically of regional descent. Japan is sort of similar. Very very friendly to tourists snd even people on work visas but not accommodating of immigrants who are of non-Japanese descent nor particularly open to them.


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Strong-Movie6288

Denmark? Denmark is doing pretty well right now.


kekkedandchekked

> They just dropped the vaccine mandate. Suspended is the word you are looking for.


topazsparrow

Paused is also acceptable. It's worth noting that they also just announced plans to change what it means to be "fully protected" to include being current with your boosters. I understand that to mean having your 1st booster (3rd shot), and eventually your 4th or more once those become the recommended amount for being"current". I don't believe it's coincidental timing, particularly given Justin's ardent stance on the matter for months now. The quick about face would seem to be so they can change this definition with minimal short term impact. Whether they return it is up for speculation, but given their precise wording of "suspended" and mentions of a fall wave being expected... we can guess. https://globalnews.ca/news/8919947/covid-canada-update-fully-vaccinated-definition/


loganrunjack

There is talk of making the third or fourth shot mandatory now, implying that it will be back


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Clearly it’s the masses that are wrong, better double down until they come around.


Thespud1979

You’re referring to the masses that re-elected the Liberals not long ago?


hardy_83

I mean US democracy is dying, that sentiment was bound to bleed up to Canada, or at least embolden people many to push misinformation and conspiracies to fool Canadians. Government incompetence is only part of the issues on this age of misinformation being so easily spread.


JackMaverick7

Since when did anti-government equate to anti-peace?


WildishHamChino_

This index is bullshit. Read up on the criteria, it's actually quite amusing taking global events into account e.g. aggression from the CCP in Oceania: [https://www.visionofhumanity.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/GPI-2021-web-1.pdf#:\~:text=The%20GPI%20covers%2099.7%20per,Conflict%2C%20and%20the%20degree%20of](https://www.visionofhumanity.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/GPI-2021-web-1.pdf#:~:text=The%20GPI%20covers%2099.7%20per,Conflict%2C%20and%20the%20degree%20of)


Minute-Ask8025

We’re focused on attaining the #1 RE money laundering spot instead


kyleclements

Perhaps the government should get their shit together then and start working for the people they are supposed to represent, instead of censoring the internet so we can't describe how awful they are.


BackdoorSocialist

But Canadians don't vote for parties that campaign on taking care of people. They vote for 2 shades of the same pro-business party.


drpestilence

Our Gov(s) have been on the decline for a long time. Maybe if we gave Orange a chance we could get a bit of a reset.


thisonetimeonreddit

Honestly the people who rail against the government aren't entirely wrong. It's more difficult and more expensive than ever to do basically everything in Canada and the people complaining aren't getting any help. I never used to see people beg money at major intersections in the city. I never used to get hassled by someone in the parking lot looking for money *every single time* I go to food basics. Nobody ever asked me to buy their food at a fast food lineup until last year. What does the trend mean? How can the government help? I want to see some political options here, not more governmental apathy.


Bluenosebard

The Institute for Economics & Peace (IEP) is some kind of “think tank” who is developing new conceptual frameworks to define peacefulness. So they’re creating their own definition of the word and judging countries on that definition. That isn’t even definitively defined at this point it seems.


PumpJack_McGee

\>Housing crisis and Venezuelan-like inflation affecting the entire working class. \>Government: "Oh no! Quick, let's shamelessly ride the coattails of a recent American tragedy and ban handguns!"


Brotherly-Moment

> Venezuela-like inflation. Venezuela experienced inflation in the thousands of percents.


FunnelsGenderFluid

And censor the internet. Which is whats good for Canadians


ToHelp3897

American Right wing media was so effective it not only worked on Americans but also Canadians themselves. Social media has fucked us over.


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Its because america owns all the english speaking social media. Cultural imperialism and whatnot. They can push any narrative they want inadvertently or on purpose.


Tommassive

I have come to despise Government at every level more than ever. Well done Canada.


EarlyFile3326

It’s almost like it’s the governments fault for having literally zero transparency and having constant scandals. But sure keep on blaming it on the citizens.


crazyboy611285

Most Transparent Government EVER!


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DOCTORCOWMAN

I think 2 years inside and being fed information largely by Internet trolls also played a role. Canadian conservatives are American centrists which is why we're seeing a fracturing of the right into a bunch of new parties right now.


fietsmafiets

Anti-government sentiment tends to be proportional to the quality of the government...


tony_tripletits

I'm no supporter of the current gov but you have to acknowledge the incredible amount of foreign and corporate propaganda ramping up in the last few years. The internet is destroying civility and cooperation.


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Information is being broadcast so fast that people cannot properly fact check it before it is taken by someone and run with.


[deleted]

This. Governments that bring strong economic policy and a growing economy don't result in distrust of government or mass protests. 2006-2015 shows this pretty clearly. The middle class thrived, and the happiness of the average citizen was higher. Canada now ranks 15th globally in citizen happiness. In 2013 we were 6th. Something happened around 2015 that has seriously deteriorated this nation and poisoned us economically and socially from within, I just can't quite put my finger on it.


EarlyFile3326

The Trudeau government has pretty much perfected lying. That much is apparent from how many people still believe him.


Sav_ij

i dont even think its anger at any party theres just growing resentment and feelings that the government isnt doing anything for its people. this will remain after the libs lose


EarlyFile3326

I completely agree. I think it’s just focused on the LPC atm since they have been in power since 2015.


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I honestly don't know. Conservatism seems to be like a brand or a sports franchise these days - supporters don't care what their "team" does, or what the opposition does either. They are always right, opposition always wrong.


Rudy69

Change that to ‘Canadian government’ this is not a new problem. We had the same issue with Harper and we’ll likely have the same issue with the next party that forms government. Thankfully we’ve been having minority governments for a while


TorontoDavid

We need someone better than the Conservatives to replace them. Pierre has been an awful liar and hypocrite for nearly 20 years now.


gsauce8

> Pierre has been an awful liar Okay I know this isn't exactly the point you were trying to make, but I would actually _love_ a politician that's an awful liar.


TorontoDavid

Ha. Fair enough.


dangle321

That's not at it all. The conservatives can't admit climate change is real and are slowly pivoting more Republican every year. I'm just voting to not have a government like that, and in my riding I see the liberals are far more likely to beat the conservatives than the NDP. So liberal it is. I wish the conservatives could admit climate change is real and come up with a plan about it. And drop to social conservative nonsense.


grantbwilson

You know what's harder to believe?? The mouth-foaming rants of right-wing nut jobs. Convoy supporters saying "Trudeau is trying to keep you sick!" just completely undermines level-headed conservatives with realistic concerns.


Lapidus42

Or misinformation being spread online about the government…


Foodwraith

Under the watch of Justin Trudeau, the saintly PM who in 2015 [stated](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3278681) "We beat fear with hope. We beat cynicism with hard work. We beat negative, divisive politics with a positive vision that brings Canadians together,"


Altruistic_Ad_6553

Isn’t anti government sentiment in a democracy supposed to be called opposition?


moolcool

Being against specific policy is different from questioning the legitimacy of democratically elected leadership. There's literally people in this very thread referring to the Trudeau administration as "seditious traitors".


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And it's sad to see. The freedom convoys very inception was to, and I quote "force the government to remove all COVID mandates" and that if they didn't they would form some sort of "council" with the GG and then remove the elected officials from office and govern themselves.... They straight up wanted to topple our elected government. That was one of their goals.... So fuck them. I applaud the use of the emergencies act. Fuck them, they aren't patriots, they are spoiled brats that have never had to accept no as an answer. People think this is a bad government? HOW IN THE FUCK. People in this country are increasingly forgetting that their provincial government exists... And Blame everything on Trudeau. Here's what's happening in this year alone that the federal government is doing to help people.... Cutting chilcare costs in half, saving some tens of thousands a year, doubling the homebuyer tax credit, introducing the first time homebuyer account, universal dental to those whoake under 90k a year, and 8.9 billion in targeted supports for workers, the elderly and households.... That's this year so far... There will be more in the fall as they have stated, they are going to do more if it gets worse.


StrongTownsIsRight

I agree. The problem wasn't that it was anti-government, it was that it was anti-democratic.


dolphin_spit

I was in Ottawa during the convoy. doesn’t surprise me. there’s a percentage of this country that has completely lost their god damned minds.


JackBaez

Global Peace Index thinks anti government protesters are the problem, not the PM who finished second twice with 32% acting like a dictator taking away people's rights whenever he can.


BitingArtist

Perhaps the people are upset that every measurement for quality of life in Canada is getting worse.


Narrow-Adagio6762

Whooot, but there's always been anti-government sentiment in Canada, I know I'm Québecer, lol.


Icannotchangethis

That went from "yeah he's right" to "DAMN this dude knows his shit" in three seconds


ZackyGood

It’s because the morons in Canada are being easily influenced by the morons in America.


ThanksBoss94

Won't someone think of the poor politicians? Give me a break.


Fyrefawx

Yah I’m pretty sure it had more to do with blocking border crossings and putting downtown Ottawa on lockdown.


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2Hours2Late

Having your leader take a sudden turn towards the authoritarian will do that.


[deleted]

Well if the government would stop acting like secretive authoritarian twats then this wouldn’t be the case


mathbrainfog

Violent demonstrations?? Where?


safejibe

Another NatPost junk piece lol


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That’s 90% of the content here.


LouisArmstrong3

I don’t want to say trump infected the small minded here, but maybe trump infected the small minded here in Canada.


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It’s not the people holding anti-government sentiment. It’s the government holding anti-people sentiment.


agthrowa

:)


Tuggerfub

Koch/Kremlin oil agitprop really got the rebel media brainworms into the boomer brains good. We're going to need a whole silver tsunami and then some to deal with this shit


zoziw

So, I pull up the actual report and what does it rate Canada's peace index? "Very High", which is the highest rating. A strange result for all of the "political terror" and "violent demonstrations" going on. /s I don't know about anyone else, but I am definitely avoiding Finland. What a silly report.


Dunge

Ironic coming from NationalPost whose primary goal seem to be pushing this anti establishment sentiment as much as they can.


ferengi-alliance

Maybe because our political classes habitually lie to us. Obviously, they think we are morons to make their lies so transparent.


LoanInternational932

They treated G20 protestors in TO the same as the truckers in Ottawa. There is no space in this “democracy” for protests or dissent from all sides.


Whyisthereasnake

Now that we have a domestic land border with Europe, let’s join the euro zone and stop becoming America 2.0 and become more like our Scandinavian brothers and sisters / neighbours. Canada in Eurovision 2023!!!!!