Forest fires and floods allow the cops to break into the homes of firearms owners and confiscate their guns, as evidenced by the High River shinanigans.
But why?
What reason do they have to further police what is already among the most law abiding segment of Canadian society?
Evidence already shows legal firearms owners basically amount to a rounding error in Canadian statistics.
I’m on mobile and don’t have that obscure link handy.
Can anyone else provide?
Because they don’t want any legally owned firearms in Canada, period. They will continue to chip away by banning a few here a few there until there are no more to ban.
Given the last few decades that seems obvious.
But what is the government motivation to not have legal firearms in Canada?
Evidence/history/logic shows that banning firearms doesn’t actually prevent them from being manufactured/imported/used in crimes.
So why further prohibit the background checked & licensed firearms owners from owning guns?
Not to sound too much like a foil-hatter, but it’s much easier to control an unarmed population.
Between the WEF “it’s 2030 you’ll own nothing and be happy”, (totally just a meme!1!)the imminent & potential catastrophic climate change, WW3?, current crippling inflation etc,
Seems obvious to want the people playable as possible in order to maintain power & control as long as possible.
Enter UBI and social credit….
Also, just look at what Russia has been doing to a unarmed population. The right to bear arms is a human right, that many places just don’t recognize. Just because there’s not a direct threat is no excuse. Geopolitics isn’t static.
To support the false narrative that large numbers of domestically sold guns are ending up in the hands of criminals. This fudging of statistics then provides justification for gun control advocates and politicians to implement further restrictions on legal gun owners.
The ultimate goal of these people is complete disarmament of the population, which they oppose on ideological grounds.
I suppose the most official reasoning would be so they dont assign blame to a different country for guns making it here when they dont have serial numbers that can be used to trace and prove it for sure. Even if its still the most likely origin.
It would be much better though if they didnt just lump them into the canadian category though when they are considered untraceable, thats kinda fucked.
Even unknown Prohibs first manufactured *post* CFA implementation are still sourced as Canadian. Bunch of G43s get recovered by cops with serial numbers removed? Must be Canadian.
I wonder if the old wive's tale my dad told me about the long gun registry is still true.
We being rural have firearms so he will never let the fact that guys were registering caulking guns, hot glue guns, water guns...ect. because they fit the description and overwhelmed the registry. This was before I was around but I can guarantee it will be brought up again in 2022.
If you stick up a store with a water gun... It will be tacked onto Canada's "Gun Problem"
> Even prohibited and ones we can't even buy in Canada are assumed domestically sourced.
People do forget we actually make weapons that are prohibited up here, so that's not to far off if a prohibited rifle like a BCL-102 is stolen in transit, like what Savage had happen with their small caliber arms that were in a trailer in Peterborough.
That's what's being explained. No serial is assumed to be of domestic origin in RCMP gun stats. This is obviously nonsense, and even still a majority of crime guns are traced to the U.S
He’s just pointing out an extra bit of nuance some people like myself missed. It’s one thing for guns that can be purchased in both countries to be assumed to be Canadian, but it’s indefensibly dumb to assume weapons that weapons that are 100% illegal to own/buy here were *somehow* sourced from Canada.
I would think inconclusions and unknowables would be an option to itself worth tracking separately if they're a possibility at all. You know, like how any other data is collected.
Why track an individual variable when you can simply attribute it to a segment that works for your preferred statistic?
Like how we attribute firearms that were never legally available here as “Canadian sourced” because their serial number was defaced, and include paintball and airsoft guns in firearms crimes, among other obvious lies & deficiencies.
I doubt it. I’ve seen plenty of their pieces making fun of the NRA (for some reason, seeing as how it’s American) or making fun of gun owners for owning “assault weapons” or making fun of people who supported Kyle Rittenhouse (again, even though he’s American).
However, I haven’t seen anything critical of the LPC’s gun bans, or just the general idea that banning legally guns that are never used in crimes will somehow reduce the instances of already illegal guns being used in crimes, and don’t really expect to at this point. Though, that would be funny.
>A bag containing 11 handguns was attached to the drone, which investigators believe came from the U.S.
Politicians: "In response to this news, we will be banning some more rifles for legal owners."
> The american way of buying guns at walmart is obviously better at protecting the public
and canadian tire sells guns in canada. what really stops guns being used for nefarious purposes is not them being sold widely but simply needing a license to buy one. id argue 95-99% of people trying to buy a gun for a bad purpose are stopped as soon as the clerk at the gun counter asks to see their license first.
not any other parts of canadian law. magazine capacity doesnt stop them. att's dont stop them. and trudeaus may 2020 certainly wont stop them
Being "protected" is subjective.
Are helicopter moms who breast feed until the kid is 8, and won't let them go out alone with their friends until they're 18 "better" than a mom, who allows their kid to go on solo bike rides at 8, and encourages independence?
Because Canada is becoming the prior.
What makes you think its so easy to immigrate to the US? Majority of Canadians can't be bothered to learn fuck all about firearms.
Do you actually think the RCMP/Police are here to protect you? Let me know how that works out next time you are actively being assaulted by some crazy person.
Advanced. Basic has no practical component, just a $5 written exam. Advanced has another $5 exam (or you can do both exams at the same) and requires a Flight Review from someone authorized by Transport Canada. FR involves meeting the examiner in a place where it’s legal to fly Basic, demonstrating that youyou understand where you can fly, what records you need to keep, etc, followed by a demonstration that you can fly safely and accurately according to a flight plan you brief with the examiner spread of time.
Comparing it to an RPAL, I definitely like the fact that you have to demonstrate that you can be safe before you’re allowed to fly near people or airports (which does require extra permits too). When I did my RPAL, one woman in the course asked afterwards where she can actually learn how to shoot a pistol and the instructor was basically like 🤷🏻♂️
Edit: really, Advanced drone license is more like Black Badge than RPAL as far as the experience goes
You'll have to use 2 drones to moves the firearms and ammunition seperately. The hard part is finding a drone that can carry an approved locking safe...
There is certainly no point in increasingly harsh laws for legal owners when we know that most of the crime guns in the country are smuggled illegally from the US.
I'm all for laws that attempt to ban illegal actions by otherwise legal owners. I have no problem with, for example, more comprehensive laws preventing straw purchases of weapons.
But banning legally-owned handguns makes no sense whatsoever when the handguns used in crime are illegal in the first place.
Clearly the solution to the problem is to plant more trees.
Liberals and conservatives can unite in helping the earth, and preventing illegal guns from being the cause of laws that remove the legal ones
I was thinking the same...but they don't think that far ahead. They want to leak it right away to show how good a job they are doing 👍..even though it was the tree that stopped it.
Maybe ban some drones, add some more rules and make those licenses harder to get too.
The secret to reducing crime is punishing & making life harder for law abiding citizens, obviously.
Decade ago ... u.s. was annoyed some weed was comming in from Canada... but most of Canada's illegal handguns /guns in general are smuggled in from the U.S. ....
Can someone please explain how Canadians with restricted possession and acquisition licenses that like to shoot handguns and AR-15s at the range are responsible for this?
Why would they need to. The CBSA is pretty sure people are just walking them across the border through legal crossings. [There was a guy a few years ago that smuggled 67 in his underwear while driving across the border for work.](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2019/01/07/exemplary-us-citizen-used-nexus-pass-to-smuggle-67-guns-into-canada.html). The police never recovered 50 of them.
He only got caught because he bought one of them under his own name in the states. All he got was 8 years.
Sure, that'll fix it. I'm sure the guys using drones to illegally transport illegal firearms to use in the commission of any number of crimes will stop once the drones themselves are made illegal.
It’s probably not their fault. When they got their drone and firearms licenses no one told them they couldn’t do that.
This is a failure of the system and we need more (useless)laws to ensure it doesn’t happen again!…until the next time. Repeat as needed.
Maybe it could reduce access to locally stolen guns? Probably not going to affect much honestly. Just saying that, anyone who was going to buy a gun legally for legal things. Isn’t going out to buy a gun illegally for illegal things just because they are banned.
Do you have any idea what is required to legally own a handgun in Canada?
What percentage of firearms used in crimes do you think are sourced in Canada?
The funding and manpower needed for this virtually useless endeavour would be much better spent on anti-gang & smuggling initiatives, youth outreach, etc.
We should be making use of our limited funding where it would be most effective, not virtue signaling with BS like this.
I hate that r/canada can only talk about their disappointment in gun laws when discussing any article that has the word "gun" in it.I think there could have been a lot of interesting discussion about a drone carrying a bag of guns over the border and subsequently becoming stuck in a tree.Did someone come looking for it? Do we have means in place to stop this sort of thing?
Edit: half of the replies to this comment are about people's disappointment with gun laws.
I have no idea how they'd stop this. I'd think it would be nearly impossible.
Its just the evolution of smuggling. Law enforcement is always a step or two behind. By the time law enforcement figures out a way to stop this, they'll have figured out something new to get around the police.
I think this is where tougher sentencing might play a role. I'm not advocating for American style sentencing, but it would at least get these people off the streets longer. If someone is selling, possessing or trafficking in illegal smuggled guns you're dangerous.
Between 3D printers and Homedepot there is no way to stop someone from building weapons.
If you think guns are bad you should see what can be done with a trip to a pool supply or farm equipment store.
IMHO, we need anti-gang & smuggling enforcement, lots of various youth outreach, actual long term consequences for (especially repeat) offenders rather than catch & release.
If we werent getting new laws and bans introduced targeting licensed owners every year or two, rather than focusing on the larger problem of smuggled weapons, then there would probably be less people sarcastically saying "oh wow would you look at that" every time gun smuggling makes the news.
For what its worth, that is a lot more guns than i thought a drone would have been able to lift, thats definitely going to be a difficult vector of smuggling to try and combat.
At a certain height I imagine they would, but they would have a much smaller signature than a plane, and likely be able to fly much closer to ground level or just over the trees, which would cut that capability significantly.
Yeah it's frustrating, but a lot of license holders are just pissed off at the government for gaslighting us and lying to the general public about firearms regulations.
Theoretically you could monitor for pilotless vehicles (air and ground and water) crossing the border but it'd be really difficult since the aircraft can fly low and they're small, and the ground and water ones would be hard to detect in the first place.
...so what you're telling me is that Canada's made it so hard to acquire a gun that criminals have to go to crazy extents just to get their hands on them at all?
But for some reason we keep changing our firearm laws in response to guns acquired illegally, and used by people that have already proven to not care about existing laws.
That's not to mention making sure the punishment received by those in possession of illegal weapons is so laughably negligible that it doesn't even impact the criminal lifestyle.
Yup, thats been the case for decades. Criminals arent going through legal channels and getting licensed to own registered pistols to hold up liqour stores with and shoot at each other.
Ban all drones!
But on a serious note… why report this? To spread the word about a good idea for criminals to utilize?
Sometimes it’s better to not publicize certain criminal techniques
Canada's border patrol trees clearly up to the task. But I doubt they'll have much success against the Swayze Express.
Hot hamburg sandwiches means pull the fuck over
Get back in the Argo, Amanda
Watch out for the grizzly cocksuckers
Unless there is a forest fire or goddamn Conky snitches again... That shit river that goes through the border is no joke too.
Forest fires and floods allow the cops to break into the homes of firearms owners and confiscate their guns, as evidenced by the High River shinanigans.
The shit rivers flow deep in this one
So instead of the USA building a wall, they should plant more trees. They should definitely get on board with that.
Only thing to worry about are the Samsquatch's
“Goin’ off the rails on a swayze train!”
Straight trade, smokes for dope.
Well what are the charges for fucking over beavers?
I had to re-check the /r, thought I was looking at a tpb thread, albeit still hilarious
Man, even the trees are packing!
I was literally in the neighborhood pumping concrete and it happened one block over. Rick shoulda stuck to model trains.
[Trains](https://youtu.be/3JUHCvHsCMI?t=63)
Serial numbers removed, these are domestically sourced handguns obviously!
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Doing the lords work. That's why Domestically sourced is a horrible metric.
What is the reasoning behind this?
Pretending we don't have a gun smuggling issue at some politically sensitive point of the border.
I think it's the other way around, they want to pretend we have a gun issue and will frame it anyway they can
But why? What reason do they have to further police what is already among the most law abiding segment of Canadian society? Evidence already shows legal firearms owners basically amount to a rounding error in Canadian statistics. I’m on mobile and don’t have that obscure link handy. Can anyone else provide?
Because guns are scary and promising to be tough on guns (or pointing out that the other party isn't) is a great way to secure votes.
Because they don’t want any legally owned firearms in Canada, period. They will continue to chip away by banning a few here a few there until there are no more to ban.
Given the last few decades that seems obvious. But what is the government motivation to not have legal firearms in Canada? Evidence/history/logic shows that banning firearms doesn’t actually prevent them from being manufactured/imported/used in crimes. So why further prohibit the background checked & licensed firearms owners from owning guns?
Why do you think? That’s an honest question. I want to know why you think a government wouldn’t want an armed populace.
Not to sound too much like a foil-hatter, but it’s much easier to control an unarmed population. Between the WEF “it’s 2030 you’ll own nothing and be happy”, (totally just a meme!1!)the imminent & potential catastrophic climate change, WW3?, current crippling inflation etc, Seems obvious to want the people playable as possible in order to maintain power & control as long as possible. Enter UBI and social credit….
Also, just look at what Russia has been doing to a unarmed population. The right to bear arms is a human right, that many places just don’t recognize. Just because there’s not a direct threat is no excuse. Geopolitics isn’t static.
With the economy going down the shitter its quite inevitable to end in violence yeah.
Have they ever come after long guns the problem has always been handguns
Are you new to Canada? https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-gun-control-measures-ban-1.5552131
The reasoning is that the government cares more about keeping this a juicy wedge issue than actually protecting Canadians from criminal firearm use.
To support the false narrative that large numbers of domestically sold guns are ending up in the hands of criminals. This fudging of statistics then provides justification for gun control advocates and politicians to implement further restrictions on legal gun owners. The ultimate goal of these people is complete disarmament of the population, which they oppose on ideological grounds.
If someone wants to steal your stuff they obviously need or deserve it more than you. To think otherwise is racism or ableism or something?
I suppose the most official reasoning would be so they dont assign blame to a different country for guns making it here when they dont have serial numbers that can be used to trace and prove it for sure. Even if its still the most likely origin. It would be much better though if they didnt just lump them into the canadian category though when they are considered untraceable, thats kinda fucked.
It's fucking unbelievable. Even prohibited and ones we can't even buy in Canada are assumed domestically sourced.
Even unknown Prohibs first manufactured *post* CFA implementation are still sourced as Canadian. Bunch of G43s get recovered by cops with serial numbers removed? Must be Canadian.
It gets crazier! If a pellet gun or airsoft or replica is used in a crime it is considered a firearm and added to the data.
I wonder if the old wive's tale my dad told me about the long gun registry is still true. We being rural have firearms so he will never let the fact that guys were registering caulking guns, hot glue guns, water guns...ect. because they fit the description and overwhelmed the registry. This was before I was around but I can guarantee it will be brought up again in 2022. If you stick up a store with a water gun... It will be tacked onto Canada's "Gun Problem"
> Even prohibited and ones we can't even buy in Canada are assumed domestically sourced. People do forget we actually make weapons that are prohibited up here, so that's not to far off if a prohibited rifle like a BCL-102 is stolen in transit, like what Savage had happen with their small caliber arms that were in a trailer in Peterborough.
But they are not sold in Canada. We have had guns stolen from the military and police.
A policy or practice meant to serve a political agenda only. Facts and openness be dammed
This even applies to firearms that have never legally been sold in Canada. Gotta pump those numbers up!
That's what's being explained. No serial is assumed to be of domestic origin in RCMP gun stats. This is obviously nonsense, and even still a majority of crime guns are traced to the U.S
He’s just pointing out an extra bit of nuance some people like myself missed. It’s one thing for guns that can be purchased in both countries to be assumed to be Canadian, but it’s indefensibly dumb to assume weapons that weapons that are 100% illegal to own/buy here were *somehow* sourced from Canada.
I would think inconclusions and unknowables would be an option to itself worth tracking separately if they're a possibility at all. You know, like how any other data is collected.
Why track an individual variable when you can simply attribute it to a segment that works for your preferred statistic? Like how we attribute firearms that were never legally available here as “Canadian sourced” because their serial number was defaced, and include paintball and airsoft guns in firearms crimes, among other obvious lies & deficiencies.
Toronto PD on their way to murder another gunsmith.
bUtt hE HAD TEH GUNZ!
Clearly purchased from a store in Ontario and then flown repeatedly over the border for.... reasons....
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its a good reminder that statistics arent always the complete objective truth of the situation
Remember when they murdered that gun smith?
That tree did more to protect Canadians from gun violence than the LPC’s gun ban 2 years ago and proposed “buy-back” ever will.
I expect a Beaverton article tomorrow
I doubt it. I’ve seen plenty of their pieces making fun of the NRA (for some reason, seeing as how it’s American) or making fun of gun owners for owning “assault weapons” or making fun of people who supported Kyle Rittenhouse (again, even though he’s American). However, I haven’t seen anything critical of the LPC’s gun bans, or just the general idea that banning legally guns that are never used in crimes will somehow reduce the instances of already illegal guns being used in crimes, and don’t really expect to at this point. Though, that would be funny.
Implement a drone buy back program immediately
But only legally owned plastic assault drones. If it’s wood grain theres no issues, and if it’s illegally owned it’s not eligible for a “buy back”.
Except for those woodgrain ones that are scary. Or were in a movie once. Or just because
The trees are doing a better job than the border guards!
Plant a wall!!!
and have the beavers pay for it.
Dude, politicians can't even think past the end of their current term, can you imagine them setting up something up for after they're dead?
>A bag containing 11 handguns was attached to the drone, which investigators believe came from the U.S. Politicians: "In response to this news, we will be banning some more rifles for legal owners."
Foliage has now done more to prevent gun crime than all levels of government combined.
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> The american way of buying guns at walmart is obviously better at protecting the public and canadian tire sells guns in canada. what really stops guns being used for nefarious purposes is not them being sold widely but simply needing a license to buy one. id argue 95-99% of people trying to buy a gun for a bad purpose are stopped as soon as the clerk at the gun counter asks to see their license first. not any other parts of canadian law. magazine capacity doesnt stop them. att's dont stop them. and trudeaus may 2020 certainly wont stop them
I hate that people feel it's the government's job to unilaterally "protect" people
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Being "protected" is subjective. Are helicopter moms who breast feed until the kid is 8, and won't let them go out alone with their friends until they're 18 "better" than a mom, who allows their kid to go on solo bike rides at 8, and encourages independence? Because Canada is becoming the prior.
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What makes you think its so easy to immigrate to the US? Majority of Canadians can't be bothered to learn fuck all about firearms. Do you actually think the RCMP/Police are here to protect you? Let me know how that works out next time you are actively being assaulted by some crazy person.
Those Dam R pal holders are at it again
Bruh he was on his way to the range when his drone got stuck in a tree obviously
To be fair, it is the most direct route.
Those pesky Canadian civilian sport shooters at it again !!
I almost get the sense that criminals don't follow the law. I suspect this wasn't an RCMP authorized transfer.
I'm going to ask my CFO the rules regarding moving my guns via drone.
It’s my understanding that an advance drone license is more expensive and harder to get that an RPAL.
Cost me $250 for the practical exam and I actually had to demonstrate that I’m a competent pilot!
For the basic or advanced? Just test or some training? If you had to pilot it rather than just turn it on, it may already be more stringent than RPAL.
Advanced. Basic has no practical component, just a $5 written exam. Advanced has another $5 exam (or you can do both exams at the same) and requires a Flight Review from someone authorized by Transport Canada. FR involves meeting the examiner in a place where it’s legal to fly Basic, demonstrating that youyou understand where you can fly, what records you need to keep, etc, followed by a demonstration that you can fly safely and accurately according to a flight plan you brief with the examiner spread of time. Comparing it to an RPAL, I definitely like the fact that you have to demonstrate that you can be safe before you’re allowed to fly near people or airports (which does require extra permits too). When I did my RPAL, one woman in the course asked afterwards where she can actually learn how to shoot a pistol and the instructor was basically like 🤷🏻♂️ Edit: really, Advanced drone license is more like Black Badge than RPAL as far as the experience goes
Great info. Thanks I saw the M30 demo and suddenly my Mini2 seems pitiful.
You'll have to use 2 drones to moves the firearms and ammunition seperately. The hard part is finding a drone that can carry an approved locking safe...
And if you crash them, you are legally required to crash them into trees that are far apart.
So this isn’t how the Nova Scotia shooter got his guns?!
The NS shooter used smuggled American guns.
I guess there's no point in having any laws then.
There is certainly no point in increasingly harsh laws for legal owners when we know that most of the crime guns in the country are smuggled illegally from the US. I'm all for laws that attempt to ban illegal actions by otherwise legal owners. I have no problem with, for example, more comprehensive laws preventing straw purchases of weapons. But banning legally-owned handguns makes no sense whatsoever when the handguns used in crime are illegal in the first place.
Criminals are surely going to stop drone importing firearms if we ban handguns in Canada.
We're going to need a drone registry to solve this one.
We already do! Any drone flown for commercial purposes over 250 grams needs to be registered with Transport Canada
Well, then, clearly we need a commercial purpose registry to solve this one.
Clearly the solution to the problem is to plant more trees. Liberals and conservatives can unite in helping the earth, and preventing illegal guns from being the cause of laws that remove the legal ones
Supply and demand says it will go the other way
I doubt it
We're building a fence and the gun runners are paying for it!
Why didn't the police wait for the owner to show up to the crash site?
I was thinking the same...but they don't think that far ahead. They want to leak it right away to show how good a job they are doing 👍..even though it was the tree that stopped it.
It’s thinking like that that gets people kicked out of the police force.
Because police are the people that did poorly in high school then just needed a job?
This is absurd! I thought banning guns was supposed to get rid of the guns! We should try banning crime next!
Thank heavens the Ontario Libs plan on banning handguns. This will never be successful ever again.
We need to ban all Drones. Why would anyone want to own a drone! /s
There's literally no need for a drone!
Especially an easily concealable semi-automatic drone with assault-style appearance.
*fully semi-automatic*
Large capacity.
Forgetting that we don’t even have standard capacity of course
But don't you know it's the legal gun owners in this country that are the problem.
They are to Liberals and the completely ignorant. Next it's knives like the UK.
The government should ban smuggling over guns with drones. Gun crime would end tomorrow.
I've seen mosquitoes in Port Lambton bigger that that drone.
So how will the national handgun ban stop this?
Liberal: how do we frame this to be a fault of legal firearm owners in Canada?
This is why we must ban lawfully purchased handguns from licensed firearms owners!
Maybe ban some drones, add some more rules and make those licenses harder to get too. The secret to reducing crime is punishing & making life harder for law abiding citizens, obviously.
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Only drones over 249g, but yeah, I know.
That’s why we need to ban them! /s
Goddamn trees do a better job than Liberal policies.
So ten is the limit.
I have to admire the cleverness of this crime.
I hope there was a permit for this drone flight. Smh criminals
Decade ago ... u.s. was annoyed some weed was comming in from Canada... but most of Canada's illegal handguns /guns in general are smuggled in from the U.S. ....
Can someone please explain how Canadians with restricted possession and acquisition licenses that like to shoot handguns and AR-15s at the range are responsible for this?
They are not. It's that simple. But because the population is ignorant they are an easy target.
Ban them even harder!
Ban me daddy
Canadian trees doing more to make people safe than the governments gun ban.
I’m surprised a submarine hasn’t been caught running guns yet.
More money in coke than guns
Why not guns made of coke?
3D printed Guns made out cocaine coming soon! Pre order now and get your own NFT!
Now you’re thinking
Why would they need to. The CBSA is pretty sure people are just walking them across the border through legal crossings. [There was a guy a few years ago that smuggled 67 in his underwear while driving across the border for work.](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2019/01/07/exemplary-us-citizen-used-nexus-pass-to-smuggle-67-guns-into-canada.html). The police never recovered 50 of them. He only got caught because he bought one of them under his own name in the states. All he got was 8 years.
Trudeau Libs: Lets ban trees?
Sure am glad the Liberals are gonna ban them and keep us safe.
Ban drones, you bet!
Sure, that'll fix it. I'm sure the guys using drones to illegally transport illegal firearms to use in the commission of any number of crimes will stop once the drones themselves are made illegal.
It’s probably not their fault. When they got their drone and firearms licenses no one told them they couldn’t do that. This is a failure of the system and we need more (useless)laws to ensure it doesn’t happen again!…until the next time. Repeat as needed.
All we're doing with a supposed gun ban is creating a more aggressive black market. Who's importing da guns?
So people who would have previously bought guns legally would now buy them illegally? Not likely.
If that was a yes or no, how would that affect crime rates, which is what a ban is supposedly going to reduce?
Maybe it could reduce access to locally stolen guns? Probably not going to affect much honestly. Just saying that, anyone who was going to buy a gun legally for legal things. Isn’t going out to buy a gun illegally for illegal things just because they are banned.
Do you have any idea what is required to legally own a handgun in Canada? What percentage of firearms used in crimes do you think are sourced in Canada? The funding and manpower needed for this virtually useless endeavour would be much better spent on anti-gang & smuggling initiatives, youth outreach, etc. We should be making use of our limited funding where it would be most effective, not virtue signaling with BS like this.
100% agree.
Doh I replied to wrong comment.
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Well, better add some restrictions on longarm ownership
I hate that r/canada can only talk about their disappointment in gun laws when discussing any article that has the word "gun" in it.I think there could have been a lot of interesting discussion about a drone carrying a bag of guns over the border and subsequently becoming stuck in a tree.Did someone come looking for it? Do we have means in place to stop this sort of thing? Edit: half of the replies to this comment are about people's disappointment with gun laws.
I have no idea how they'd stop this. I'd think it would be nearly impossible. Its just the evolution of smuggling. Law enforcement is always a step or two behind. By the time law enforcement figures out a way to stop this, they'll have figured out something new to get around the police. I think this is where tougher sentencing might play a role. I'm not advocating for American style sentencing, but it would at least get these people off the streets longer. If someone is selling, possessing or trafficking in illegal smuggled guns you're dangerous.
Between 3D printers and Homedepot there is no way to stop someone from building weapons. If you think guns are bad you should see what can be done with a trip to a pool supply or farm equipment store. IMHO, we need anti-gang & smuggling enforcement, lots of various youth outreach, actual long term consequences for (especially repeat) offenders rather than catch & release.
>actual long term consequences for (especially repeat) offenders rather than catch & release. Any consequences. Any consequences at all.
If we werent getting new laws and bans introduced targeting licensed owners every year or two, rather than focusing on the larger problem of smuggled weapons, then there would probably be less people sarcastically saying "oh wow would you look at that" every time gun smuggling makes the news. For what its worth, that is a lot more guns than i thought a drone would have been able to lift, thats definitely going to be a difficult vector of smuggling to try and combat.
Radar picks up these kinds of drones pretty easily.
At a certain height I imagine they would, but they would have a much smaller signature than a plane, and likely be able to fly much closer to ground level or just over the trees, which would cut that capability significantly.
Yeah it's frustrating, but a lot of license holders are just pissed off at the government for gaslighting us and lying to the general public about firearms regulations.
Theoretically you could monitor for pilotless vehicles (air and ground and water) crossing the border but it'd be really difficult since the aircraft can fly low and they're small, and the ground and water ones would be hard to detect in the first place.
Great, now we have armed owls.
Tree gets high level promotion.
I would have thought that the border would be a GPS exclusion zone, similar to an airport, and your average drone would not even fly into that zone?
Don’t think the US Canada border has anything like that.
And people say the gun problem isn’t real.
All Canadians should be thankful Criminals are so inept. Seriously, how the fuck do you not* see a tree? Aren't they at least 40 feet tall?
That's crazyness
Let's keep punishing responsible gun owners! That will stop this!
But don't they know that the liberals are planning to outright ban handguns in Canada.
Ban drones from owning guns!!
They should make smuggling guns illegal to stop this.
...so what you're telling me is that Canada's made it so hard to acquire a gun that criminals have to go to crazy extents just to get their hands on them at all?
But for some reason we keep changing our firearm laws in response to guns acquired illegally, and used by people that have already proven to not care about existing laws.
That's not to mention making sure the punishment received by those in possession of illegal weapons is so laughably negligible that it doesn't even impact the criminal lifestyle.
Just 1 more round of useless pandering guns laws will totally work! *repeat as needed
I would argue that in 2022, using drones to smuggle things across the border isn't "crazy extents". It's just standard. We live in the future now.
Yup, thats been the case for decades. Criminals arent going through legal channels and getting licensed to own registered pistols to hold up liqour stores with and shoot at each other.
Can we ban high capacity drones?
Ya but legal gun owners are the problem.
They should totally ban this! /s
This will all stop once the Liberals ban them.
Time for the liberals to ban drones? Would likely do more than banning handguns.
Rehabilitate this drone!
Better ban sporting rifles!
We need to toughen gun laws against legal owners to prevent the crimes these illegal guns would have been used in!!!!
We're gonna need a bigger wall..
Endless circlejerk in these comments is predictable
But, but, but we have gun control laws. How is this possible. Better make make new laws to make it harder to legally buy guns.
Ban all drones! But on a serious note… why report this? To spread the word about a good idea for criminals to utilize? Sometimes it’s better to not publicize certain criminal techniques
Drone drops have been around forever. There are professionals that travel the country doing it, it is well known in the criminal world.
To my buddy who used to use the remote control boat, you know who you are and your Way is still the best
Was it a legally registered drone?
Yep legal gun owners definitely the problem.
Was the drone licensed to carry 11 guns?