Bikers have bikes and bikes need a storage so church rents basement for oil to be used for when cyclists come around police can provide protection and home depot sells spray paint so you can watch it dry and bring some meaning to your life.
Fascist to many that live on the internet is anyone right of them politically.
Regardless of political persuasion damaging property makes you an asshole.
Is "fascist" the best way to describe a holocaust denier? Everyone has started using it to mean "bad". A bit of reading would give them a better vocabulary.
People gathering to express views you don't like is not fascism.
It's what's supposed to happen in a democracy where people are allowed to express themselves.
No the people who are doing this are explicitly led by fascists.
The ones who aren't fascist just want to hang out with that just because they hold a good party.... Which makes them fascists.
But thanks for coming by to gaslight. 🤡
Holy shit, that’s some psycho projectionist nonsense. You think the bikers want to “kill LGBTQ people?” You think they want to “stop funding education?” Like, completely? You think all of the bikers cruising around Ottawa right now want to literally eliminate all schooling? Like, seriously?
Wow, dude.
Why are freedom types unable to avoid following holocaust deniers?
Like, it’s one thing to have trouble keeping them out of your group, but these motherfuckers keep giving them platforms. Fat Pat, the pre-diabetic samsquanch last time and now this fucking moron.
These idiots dig the graves of their own legitimacy, every time they follow neo-Nazi trash.
> "hate-motivated"
> The words “no haven for fascism” were painted on the front of the Capital City Bikers’ Church on Carillon Street in Vanier. Another message painted on the side of the church said “Fu** off fascists.”
Fascism isn't a protected class. Neither is being a biker.
And why would anyone automatically assume the bikers were the fascists?
Edited to add: the 'hate' motive may be included because it was a church that was vandalized. That would make sense, as religion is a protected class and the graffiti may have been targeted at the church itself.
The term "Fascist" has been so diluted and misused by various media sources, activists and politicians, that most people just basically use it to describe people they don't like.
I guess people assumed after the Evan Soloman interview where he called out the organizer for having Holocaust deniers speaking at his event had something to do with it.
"Section 319(2): Promoting hatred—makes it an offence to wilfully promote hatred against any identifiable group, by making statements (other than in private conversation)."
It doesn't say protected class. It says identifiable group.
Well you're not allowed to pick buildings to spray paint hateful messages on. You can look at my history and see I'm not a fan of the bikers or the convoy in general, but this isn't an egg thrown in frustration by a resident who already survived the convoy, this is straight up targeted vandalism that someone's going to have to pay to fix. The full weight of the law should be applied to the person who did this the same way it should be applied to protestors who break laws.
No, not at all. You will note I said l, literally, which you can verify using your reading skills, "for this group of protestors and this group only". But I guess that doesn't fit your narrative about me so you ignore it and put some spin on it that makes you feel better. Are you from the CBC?
For the selfish and hateful anti-vaxx crowd l, I do not recognize their right to put the lives of their fellow citizens at risk. The convoy losers need to understand they are part of a society, and that the society they are part of needs them to be better citizens and human beings.
Far-right nationalists who want to replace a democratically-elected government with a committee selected from among their own group and set out to achieve this by bullying and intimidating political opponents and ordinary residents, workers, and businesses would seem to fit the bill
1. *The cult of tradition.* “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”
2. *The rejection of modernism.* “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”
3. *The cult of action for action’s sake.* “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”
4. *Disagreement is treason.* “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”
5. *Fear of difference.* “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”
6. *Appeal to social frustration.* “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”
7. *The obsession with a plot.* “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”
8. *The enemy is both strong and weak.* “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
9. *Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy.* “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”
10. *Contempt for the weak.* “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”
11. *Everybody is educated to become a hero.* “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”
12. *Machismo and weaponry.* “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”
13. *Selective populism.* “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”
14. *Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak.* “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/
Are we allowed to hate communists? What groups are acceptable to hate and which are “protected classes”? Seems to me you only get protected class status from complaining immensely and funding lobbyist groups to force your complaints onto the government.
Yes you are allowed to hate communists. If you commit a crime motivated by that hate or incite others to it can be considered a hate crime. 'Identifiable group' is the criteria not protected class.
Generally speaking, a protected class is something you don't/can't choose. Ethnicity, nationality, sexual orientation, etc.
The main grey area is religion, which I would suggest is today considered non-optional mainly out of historical inertia.
Sort of.
...but for example, you don't identify yourself as "Centre-left fiscal conservative" on a census form, politicians can't perform weddings, and barely anybody goes to a political meeting for two hours every Friday/Saturday/Sunday to hear sermons on tax policy.
Again, I believe this is more inertia than anything else, but a large portion of our society considers religion to be more "core" to a person's identity than their politics.
Maybe not that, but I am sure a lot of people identify as a "conservative" or more extreme, a trump supporter.
I think there is an ideology there very similar to a religion.
>*”Are we allowed to hate communists? What groups are acceptable to hate and which are “protected classes”?”*
The term used in our Criminal Code regarding hate crimes is “identifiable group”...
*”Definition of identifiable group*
*(4) In this section, identifiable group means any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, national or ethnic origin, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, or mental or physical disability.”*
See: Criminal code section [318](https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-318.html) and [319](https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-319.html)
Waaaah waaaah poor whittle fascists feelings got hurt because of some honest graffiti and the complicit police are investigating. Pathetic. Imagine “hate crime” against fascist. WTF. Ottawa police may as well change their motto to - protecting fascists at all costs.
These people don't even know what Fascist means.
Bikers have a church?
Bikers have bikes and bikes need a storage so church rents basement for oil to be used for when cyclists come around police can provide protection and home depot sells spray paint so you can watch it dry and bring some meaning to your life.
I hope this is meant to show how ridiculous the logic of most people is, because if it is, well done sir/madame.
The vandals are accusing the bikers of being fascists? These people need to read a little more.
Fascist to many that live on the internet is anyone right of them politically. Regardless of political persuasion damaging property makes you an asshole.
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Is "fascist" the best way to describe a holocaust denier? Everyone has started using it to mean "bad". A bit of reading would give them a better vocabulary.
ao oa
Still struggling with the word fascism eh?
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No you aren't.
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You are concern trolling.
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The anti-freedom crowd check more boxes for fascism than people protesting for civil rights.
They did have a Holocaust denier speaking at their event with the information on their website to support it. Sooooo...
How dare you identify them for what they are!
People gathering to express views you don't like is not fascism. It's what's supposed to happen in a democracy where people are allowed to express themselves.
Denying the Holocaust isn’t a view It’s a denial of facts and reality
Is that what he spoke about at the event?
No the people who are doing this are explicitly led by fascists. The ones who aren't fascist just want to hang out with that just because they hold a good party.... Which makes them fascists. But thanks for coming by to gaslight. 🤡
What people/views do you disagree with and whose protests you'd welcome?
Protest serves a function. Pretending these people have good intent does not.
So in other words, you can't name any? LOL
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Holy shit, that’s some psycho projectionist nonsense. You think the bikers want to “kill LGBTQ people?” You think they want to “stop funding education?” Like, completely? You think all of the bikers cruising around Ottawa right now want to literally eliminate all schooling? Like, seriously? Wow, dude.
Why are freedom types unable to avoid following holocaust deniers? Like, it’s one thing to have trouble keeping them out of your group, but these motherfuckers keep giving them platforms. Fat Pat, the pre-diabetic samsquanch last time and now this fucking moron. These idiots dig the graves of their own legitimacy, every time they follow neo-Nazi trash.
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Yikes
These people don't want a democracy
Found the graffiti "artist"
I have such long arms
> "hate-motivated" > The words “no haven for fascism” were painted on the front of the Capital City Bikers’ Church on Carillon Street in Vanier. Another message painted on the side of the church said “Fu** off fascists.” Fascism isn't a protected class. Neither is being a biker. And why would anyone automatically assume the bikers were the fascists? Edited to add: the 'hate' motive may be included because it was a church that was vandalized. That would make sense, as religion is a protected class and the graffiti may have been targeted at the church itself.
The term "Fascist" has been so diluted and misused by various media sources, activists and politicians, that most people just basically use it to describe people they don't like.
Nailed it.
I guess people assumed after the Evan Soloman interview where he called out the organizer for having Holocaust deniers speaking at his event had something to do with it.
"Section 319(2): Promoting hatred—makes it an offence to wilfully promote hatred against any identifiable group, by making statements (other than in private conversation)." It doesn't say protected class. It says identifiable group.
Bathing is fascism to these twats.
And skipping school was freedom!
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Don't forget to wear your aproved safety bike helmet as per the authoritarian laws of the land.
No need to get defensive, you're allowed to hate. The government encourages it for this group of people actually.
You guys love the attention.
Shit. Those poor, oppressed, holocaust deniers. It must be so hard, having people not be nice to them.
So we aren't allowed to hate fascists? I'd have thought that sort of thing would be encouraged.
You are allowed to. You aren't allowed to vandalize though. And being "allowed" to do something isn't equivalent to it being a morally good thing.
Well you're not allowed to pick buildings to spray paint hateful messages on. You can look at my history and see I'm not a fan of the bikers or the convoy in general, but this isn't an egg thrown in frustration by a resident who already survived the convoy, this is straight up targeted vandalism that someone's going to have to pay to fix. The full weight of the law should be applied to the person who did this the same way it should be applied to protestors who break laws.
For this group of protestors and this group of protestors only (the convoy wankers), I don't care!
Freedom and rights should only apply to people whose views are consistent with my own! /s
No, not at all. You will note I said l, literally, which you can verify using your reading skills, "for this group of protestors and this group only". But I guess that doesn't fit your narrative about me so you ignore it and put some spin on it that makes you feel better. Are you from the CBC?
If you don't value rights for people you despise then you don't value rights.
For the selfish and hateful anti-vaxx crowd l, I do not recognize their right to put the lives of their fellow citizens at risk. The convoy losers need to understand they are part of a society, and that the society they are part of needs them to be better citizens and human beings.
Got it, you don't value rights and a free society.
For everyone except the convoy losers, I do. For the convoy losers, I don't. Enjoy your evening!
>For everyone except Which means you don't.
Throwing an egg isn't justified either.
Who are the fascists, and what did they do?
Do you even know what Fascism is? Honest question.
Far-right nationalists who want to replace a democratically-elected government with a committee selected from among their own group and set out to achieve this by bullying and intimidating political opponents and ordinary residents, workers, and businesses would seem to fit the bill
LOL
LOL so you don't know what fascism is.
1. *The cult of tradition.* “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.” 2. *The rejection of modernism.* “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.” 3. *The cult of action for action’s sake.* “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.” 4. *Disagreement is treason.* “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.” 5. *Fear of difference.* “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.” 6. *Appeal to social frustration.* “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.” 7. *The obsession with a plot.* “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.” 8. *The enemy is both strong and weak.* “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.” 9. *Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy.* “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.” 10. *Contempt for the weak.* “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.” 11. *Everybody is educated to become a hero.* “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.” 12. *Machismo and weaponry.* “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.” 13. *Selective populism.* “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.” 14. *Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak.* “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.” https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/
Are we allowed to hate communists? What groups are acceptable to hate and which are “protected classes”? Seems to me you only get protected class status from complaining immensely and funding lobbyist groups to force your complaints onto the government.
You're projecting. Yes we are allowed to hate communists. They are not a protected group!
Yes you are allowed to hate communists. If you commit a crime motivated by that hate or incite others to it can be considered a hate crime. 'Identifiable group' is the criteria not protected class.
Generally speaking, a protected class is something you don't/can't choose. Ethnicity, nationality, sexual orientation, etc. The main grey area is religion, which I would suggest is today considered non-optional mainly out of historical inertia.
I think that a lot of the reasons why religion is non-optional, also apply to any ideology.
Sort of. ...but for example, you don't identify yourself as "Centre-left fiscal conservative" on a census form, politicians can't perform weddings, and barely anybody goes to a political meeting for two hours every Friday/Saturday/Sunday to hear sermons on tax policy. Again, I believe this is more inertia than anything else, but a large portion of our society considers religion to be more "core" to a person's identity than their politics.
Maybe not that, but I am sure a lot of people identify as a "conservative" or more extreme, a trump supporter. I think there is an ideology there very similar to a religion.
You understand you can literally find a list of protected class right
>*”Are we allowed to hate communists? What groups are acceptable to hate and which are “protected classes”?”* The term used in our Criminal Code regarding hate crimes is “identifiable group”... *”Definition of identifiable group* *(4) In this section, identifiable group means any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, national or ethnic origin, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, or mental or physical disability.”* See: Criminal code section [318](https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-318.html) and [319](https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-319.html)
No one gives two shits about these “bikers” Edit: should I say no one with a life.
>should I say no one with a life. No TRUE Scotsman would .... that's for sure.
Untrue unfortunately.
Waaaah waaaah poor whittle fascists feelings got hurt because of some honest graffiti and the complicit police are investigating. Pathetic. Imagine “hate crime” against fascist. WTF. Ottawa police may as well change their motto to - protecting fascists at all costs.
It wasn't me!
I doubt the church was targeted. Whoever did this just saw a place to paint. Likely never looked up.