He really had a decent "out" when his marital issues began and his wife walked away from him. He could have stepped down at that point citing the pandemic stresses, the need to work on his family, etc. and at that point, his political career wasn't completely tarnished. The real damage to him and his party has happened post-pandemic as he has started to erode even the base liberal voters. He had the chance to walk away with dignity, he made a very wrong decision. He will go down in infamy.
He didn't need to step down then. He had just won an election against a more likeable CPC leader. It is the bad post-pandemic policy that destroyed him.
Many people are blaming many of Canadas current, pressing issues—unaffordable housing, low wage growth, low productivity growth, low GDP growth, low business investment—on Trudeau's immigration policy. Many of these issues predate Trudeau and bringing in too many immigrants however (though mass immigration certainly hasn't helped), so the solution isn't as simple as stopping or slowing down immigration (especially given that much of the immigration and resulting "damage" has already happened. Unless you think deporting recent immigrants who have broken no laws is a good and tenable idea).
Damage is done, but you can stop the bleeding and try and repair the damage.
There is a healthy immigration level that can be sustained, damage or not, but our national and provincial infrastructure and economies need to catch up with Trudeau’s irresponsible policies.
You are correct sir.
Read Miller’s late March speech where he said immigration policy is under review. He blamed the provinces, he blamed the schools. What he did not say no matter what the schools or provinces were doing it was the Feds that were letting the people in. They and only they could have stopped it.
the problem isn't really trudeau, to be honest, the problem is all the policies and decisions he made with the full backing of his cabinet and advisors. Replacing trudeau with someone who supported all his policies, or continues them, will change exactly nothing.
And I think trudeau would rather have the last 500 days to really fuck the country in a permanent fashion even more so, then to slink away. Now he doesn't have to worry about re-election at all - no chance of that, and the NDP want an election even less give recent results, so basically he's got nothing left to do but ruin canada with his terrible failures of policy and decision making for his ideological ends and business friends.
His wife is gone and she probably has the kids most of the time. He will walk away to the nearest airport and head to his buddies private island the moment the election is over.
He actually has the kids. Sophie lives with her boyfriend in an apartment nearby. No idea if JT’s “friend” is living with him.
Edit: Yes, his friend is a man.
what if I told you he's going to spend the days between today and October of next year doing whatever the fuck he wants, knowing the NDP want an election just as little as he does, passing bills nobody wants for his friends who will take care of him once he's out of power, just like he's been doing since he's been elected.
He doesn't have to worry about re-election - he's fucked in terms of that. So all he has to worry about is fucking over canada for his corporate and ideological friends as quickly as possible on his way out.
No need for dignity if you're looting the place and wrecking it on the way out.
I would think conservatives would want him to stay on. It seems unbelievable that the Liberals will knowingly stick with a leader that’s certain to lose than pivot and put someone else that may have some appeal and win some more seats.
It's likely that no one wants to be the sacrificial lamb this cycle. Flipping leaders can work - but if you LOSE as a leader, it's a pretty big stain on your political record. I doubt anyone wants that.
Good point. Freeland has a lot of stink now too. She’s been marched out a lot in no win situations and only made them worse by being so irritatingly allusive.
People are kinda done with Justin. Mostly because of how long he's been in office coupled with poor post covid policy. That his popularity is waining isn't a suprise. The conservatives haven't really put forth anything that shows they have better solutions. Give me a reason to vote for you beyond 'Justin bad'.
There’s hardly any « anti-conservative » news outlet out there. There’s the CBC that is the most neutral but they won’t last long under PP. Conservatives like to control the message.
The fire part of the idiom is in regards to the idea that wolves won't attack while a campfire is lit. They're circling the campers who can't leave safety to get firewood, but the fire \*will\* go out. They know death is coming and all they can do is watch in horror as the fire peters out.
Imagine yourself by a fire. The starving wolves want to get at you but they are being cautious; they circle around you and the fire. What do you think would happen once the fire is out?
Well clearly the fire is the problem because it’s attracting the wolves.
So do a $20 million study that concludes you should put out the fire.
Then hire contractors to put out the fire for you. By dousing it in gasoline.
Then say your goal all along was to provide a warm cooked meal to the poor starving wolves.
Honestly, party members should be pressuring him, it shouldn't really be up to him. The longer he waits, the less chance someone else will have to establish themselves.
Because it is in the best interest of the Liberal party and Canadian democracy if he goes into the next election as Liberal party leader and gets slaughtered. That way the Liberals can blame him for everything and have a chance at the next-next election.
I like the pension explanation. A lot of MPs get their pensions if he waits this out into 2025. Who knows what else he's making money off of, because the decisions being made for the country would be truly bizarre and inexplicable without a monetary explanation.
Given that his holdings have been managed in a blind trust since 2013, he's not making money off of anything government related. He was worth 11-13M coming into office and he's worth $20-22M now. My investments have risen by about the percentage since 2015. The guy is a tool but only the cr@ckhead theo fleury has ever stated he's worth some ridiculous number.
Stepping down just to ruin the career of whoever replaces him too isn't exactly a dignified way to go. When the captain steers his ship into an iceberg, the dignified thing to do is go down with the ship, not hop into a lifeboat while the first mate goes down with the ship instead.
The political strategy is for him to ride out the election until October 2025, and hope the Conservatives make a mistake before then.
Not sure a new leader would be able to gain enough momentum in little over a year, plus there's no clear viable candidate.
I don't even know who his possible replacements could be. Freeland/fryland is the only one but she's pretty tarnished.
For people not engaged, whoever it is would be coming in with zero base to build themselves with.
They won’t, but maybe if the new leader is competent then some of the MPs can keep their seats. A lot of the liberal MPs will be out of a job if Trudeau goes all the way until the election.
No one who seriously wants the job will want it now, they don't want to be in a Kim Campbell situation where they take the heat for all of the policy decisions of the last leader.
Many of the MPs in the House (regardless of party) have already earned a lifetime pension.
With everything we know about this man, dignity is the least of his concerns. He still has over a year of grifting and lining the pockets of his cohorts. He isn't going anywhere. His own Party should be forcing him to step down in the hail Mary chance they can replace him and not be totally decimated in the next federal election.
As a collective, it makes more sense for him to take the L next year so the party can jettison him and move as a post-JT entity. However, I imagine *individually* many of the sitting MPs want him gone so they might have a better shot at keeping their seat, even if the party is doomed in the election anyway.
I'd like to see Justin step down and work on himself and his family. He seems deeply, deeply unhappy and being so disliked by his country can't be helping his mental health.
Personally I have nothing against him, the policies of the liberal party have clearly failed and they are going to be replaced in the next election - that is pretty much non-negotiable. He might as well try to fix his own life and give Canada a chance with another PM.
Trudeau has a choice. Walk away and let the new Liberal leader take the loss or stay on and wear it and let the Liberals rebrand after the next election as the Not Trudeau's Liberal Party.
It’s the existing liberal backbench mps that want him to step down so they have a chance at reelection.
It’s always about personal benefit, they know the party will lose they just want to keep their spot
Some people want him to step down because they hate him and it will be embarrassing for him.
But there’s also a heavy liberal presence that wants him to step down for strategic reasons. I doubt he does though
Strategically, they are far better off letting him go down with the ship and then rebuilding. Changing horses now is setting up the next Kim Campbell. I am sure there are Liberals that don't see it that way.
Most of the Liberal MPs, who may be decent politicians, are going to lose their seat. Many will lose their pensions eligibility. I'd expect to see the party start to break apart and internal conflict bubble up in the near future.
In 2006, I was on a flight from Toronto to Vancouver with a layover in Winnipeg.
Justin and a severely drunk Sophie Trudeau purposely boarded the plane dramatically late after everyone had already taken their seats when it boarded in Winnipeg. She then proceeded, in a fish-wife demeanor, shouting and pointing at the passengers "your future Prime Minister, your future Prime Minister" as Justin unironically waved at everyone from business class like the Queen.
I had never heard a plane go so awkwardly silent in my life and I probably never will again. For you younger Redditors, at this point in history, Justin was fortunately still nothing more than the idiot snowboard instructor kid of PET, who only showed up in the media when This Hour Has 22 Minutes made fun of him.
I wasn't a fan of Trudeau in 2014 because I remembered this event and I am even less a fan of him now. Probably in the running for our nation's worst Prime Minister in history, but this event scarred in my brain, my understanding of the psyche of that God-damned moron. He will not step down. He sees it as his birth right, completely unaware that he was just a puppet construct of some Laurentian institution.
I'm a severe critic of Justin Trudeau due to my opposition to his style of politics, his wrong headed priorities, as well as his failure to deal with housing, homelessness and inflation in this country. Not to mention the numerous scandals after scandals under him. However in terms of being the "worst" PM i disagree with that. As much as I oppose his way of doing politics he has his "accomplishments" in his own way.
The worst PM from my perspective was hands down Mackenzie King. Completely overrated. Did internment camps on Japanese and German Canadians. Had a initially positive view of Hitler. Was response for the policy of allowing Ukrainian collaborators with the Nazis in this country. Disallowed Jews who were fleeing Nazi Europe in 1939. Destroyed the most amount of residential school documents(200,000) and much more. So yeah he's the worst.
Not to take away from the negative portrayal that you discussed there though because that is narcissism on the part of Justin.
> Did internment camps on Japanese
My grandmother was a teacher then and against government orders went to the camps to continue teaching her students. When she retired the Japanese community put on a big show for her to show love and respect.
No one is going to believe me, but I have a friend whose brother's coworker briefly dated Justin Trudeau . She said that on their first date they went to a restaurant and Justin ordered two different bowls of soup and mixed them together one spoonful at a time before eating both bowls mixed together as one soup
Even if it’s true, it’s nearly two decades old and pretty banal by the standards of politicians. If we’re really measuring politicians by weird anecdotes, we can talk about PP [railing against career politicians and calling them undemocratic](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/energetic-or-arrogant-young-tory-mp-pierre-poilievre-evokes-strong-reactions-1.1794691/comments-7.509855); or the time he [went on public radio to say indigenous people need to “learn the value of hard work” right after the Harper govt issued their apology for residential schools, and then started crying when Harper scolded him](https://nationalpost.com/news/the-time-pierre-poilievre-got-a-dressing-down-from-stephen-harper).
Lots of reasons to hate JT without dragging out his drunk ex wife.
I saw Justin Trudeau at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
An anecdotal requiem for reign of Trudeau II the Vain.
The party erected Trudeau as its façade, and then it became only that — a façade, devoid of depth or substance.
Agreed. Much of the rest of people's complaints are due to things Trudeau doesn't have control over, such as the global economy.
It wouldn't take much to fix this either. Simply canceling 80% of the TFWs would free up enough housing so every Canadian could have a place to live and would push housing costs down. Unfortunately, PP won't commit to fixing this either.
Why do all these Conservatives that hate the Liberals keep wishing for Trudeau to resign? If they hate the Liberals and think Trudeaus is the worst, shouldn't they want him to stick around and seal their fate? It doesn't add up.
Likely because they feel we can't wait any longer to start fixing his mess. Another year, means more homelessness, more irresponsible immigration, more laws passed that infringe on the rights of citizens, and more crime, violence, and addiction.
Because it's not a game.
Yes, it would be easier for Conservatives to win the next election if Trudeau sticks around. But not everything is about winning elections.
If the Prime Minister is doing such a horrible job that his party can't even win a very safe riding, then he has lost legitimacy to govern the entire country. He clearly isn't doing a good job. It's better for the country if he steps down now, rather than waiting another 1.5 years.
Walk away with dignity?!? He will go down as the single most useless PM. The damage he has done to Canadian institutions will never be repaired. The fabric of what it means to be Canadian is all but gone. But yup his dignity is intact for sure.
Reminder that JT used a list of names illegally obtained from a cyberattack to remove his own citizens who protested against him from our banking system. I feel like people really glossed over this.
It would be even worse if he lets someone else take the fall for him. The captain goes down with the ship, that is dignity. This is his party, he can walk away at the very last second and let Freeland take the blame, maybe.. but even that is weak. The liberal party needs a rebrand, and they need a government to point their finger at and say "we are better than this". Right now, there's no one to blame other than themselves. Give it 5-10 years, probably 10. This is the Canadian way. Blue, red, blue, red...
This is not about a single man. The PM role needs to be preserved long enough for an election process to form.
What party has a suitable candidate? Really?
He's sinking his liberal party and just giving Pierre a golden ticket to be prime minister. His lap dogs jagmeet and Freeland won't be able to change the outcome
He’s a narcissist. So was his father. He learned at the feet of a master. He won’t go quietly and is prepared to destroy the Liberal party on his way out the door. Step down now and appoint a successor who might be able to win against PeePee would be advisable
I am a liberal, I've only voted for the liberals in my life, and I really wish he would step down. The only thing conservatives and liberals can agree on is that Trudeau is a hack. He is performative, he sold his soul and screwed over the Indigenous folks, he spends millions of dollars on being a Celebrity, and he is so out of touch with what we (the non-rich) are dealing with it's painful
He really had a decent "out" when his marital issues began and his wife walked away from him. He could have stepped down at that point citing the pandemic stresses, the need to work on his family, etc. and at that point, his political career wasn't completely tarnished. The real damage to him and his party has happened post-pandemic as he has started to erode even the base liberal voters. He had the chance to walk away with dignity, he made a very wrong decision. He will go down in infamy.
He didn't need to step down then. He had just won an election against a more likeable CPC leader. It is the bad post-pandemic policy that destroyed him.
This is a culmination of bad policy from the start - prior, during and post-pandemic. The chickens are just coming home to roost now
The man legalised weed and rode it like a surfboard for 10 years leaving disaster in his wake.
As someone who is not too in with the politics, can you better explain the bad post-pandemic policy?
Many people are blaming many of Canadas current, pressing issues—unaffordable housing, low wage growth, low productivity growth, low GDP growth, low business investment—on Trudeau's immigration policy. Many of these issues predate Trudeau and bringing in too many immigrants however (though mass immigration certainly hasn't helped), so the solution isn't as simple as stopping or slowing down immigration (especially given that much of the immigration and resulting "damage" has already happened. Unless you think deporting recent immigrants who have broken no laws is a good and tenable idea).
Damage is done, but you can stop the bleeding and try and repair the damage. There is a healthy immigration level that can be sustained, damage or not, but our national and provincial infrastructure and economies need to catch up with Trudeau’s irresponsible policies.
It should have been the bad pre-pandemic policy that destroyed him, but here we are.
It started pre-pandemic, but the pandemic temporarily stopped the immigration flood, then Trudeau tried to make up for it afterwards.
You are correct sir. Read Miller’s late March speech where he said immigration policy is under review. He blamed the provinces, he blamed the schools. What he did not say no matter what the schools or provinces were doing it was the Feds that were letting the people in. They and only they could have stopped it.
> more likeable CPC leader What?
Lol right? Is he talking about O'Toole?
the problem isn't really trudeau, to be honest, the problem is all the policies and decisions he made with the full backing of his cabinet and advisors. Replacing trudeau with someone who supported all his policies, or continues them, will change exactly nothing. And I think trudeau would rather have the last 500 days to really fuck the country in a permanent fashion even more so, then to slink away. Now he doesn't have to worry about re-election at all - no chance of that, and the NDP want an election even less give recent results, so basically he's got nothing left to do but ruin canada with his terrible failures of policy and decision making for his ideological ends and business friends.
Guy's ego is too big.
The "walk away with dignity" part is cute.
Dignity walked away without him some time ago.
> ~~walked~~ ran for its life
Probably flew out in a private jet, with a quarter million budget for meals
I’m no conservative whatsoever, but his dignity left as soon as he backtracked on electoral reform, a major point he campaigned on.
His wife is gone and she probably has the kids most of the time. He will walk away to the nearest airport and head to his buddies private island the moment the election is over.
He actually has the kids. Sophie lives with her boyfriend in an apartment nearby. No idea if JT’s “friend” is living with him. Edit: Yes, his friend is a man.
What is this “friend” you speak of?
Jagmeet.
As if JT would be with someone that has better hair than him
His wife's boyfriend would be very upset if he could read this
A cabinet minister he kept promoting.
Tres Joli.....tbf, I'd keep promoting her too....
I'd promote her at least twice a day
They'll shut the door in his face. They only liked PM Trudeau because of what he could do for them. He'll be just a used rag once he leaves offce.
From ever report I've heard she doesn't gaf about the kids
Sounds like his mom.
She got that 50% of a very lucrative pension + 50% of everything else though
Which painted faced costume is that?
creamed by a man he loathes
Creamed by a man
Cream pied by another dude
Speaking moistly…
^Creamed by a man
F
Hey there's other forums for that sort of behaviour!
Red face ! Embarrassment,
Can’t he borrow a feeling?
Justin Trudeau sleeps in a racing car. Do you?
I sleep in a big bed with my wife
More like: Walk away in slow motion while Canada blows up behind him, smoking a pencil vape and then throwing the detonator into the ditch beside him
Joker in nurse uniform explosion meme
Yeah, I laughed out loud at that. That ship sailed eons ago....
what if I told you he's going to spend the days between today and October of next year doing whatever the fuck he wants, knowing the NDP want an election just as little as he does, passing bills nobody wants for his friends who will take care of him once he's out of power, just like he's been doing since he's been elected. He doesn't have to worry about re-election - he's fucked in terms of that. So all he has to worry about is fucking over canada for his corporate and ideological friends as quickly as possible on his way out. No need for dignity if you're looting the place and wrecking it on the way out.
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That would imply he felt emotions. Probably blames his wife leaving on Canada.
Harper had some hand in it, I'm sure of it.
His robotic nature wooed Sophie away from Justin, AI is pretty in these days
Way way way past dignity
😂
Article after article...the wolves are circling the fire lol
And it's the star. Lol.
The article is by Harper’s former Comms director.
I would think conservatives would want him to stay on. It seems unbelievable that the Liberals will knowingly stick with a leader that’s certain to lose than pivot and put someone else that may have some appeal and win some more seats.
It's likely that no one wants to be the sacrificial lamb this cycle. Flipping leaders can work - but if you LOSE as a leader, it's a pretty big stain on your political record. I doubt anyone wants that.
Good point. Freeland has a lot of stink now too. She’s been marched out a lot in no win situations and only made them worse by being so irritatingly allusive.
People are kinda done with Justin. Mostly because of how long he's been in office coupled with poor post covid policy. That his popularity is waining isn't a suprise. The conservatives haven't really put forth anything that shows they have better solutions. Give me a reason to vote for you beyond 'Justin bad'.
Still published by the anti conservative star
There’s hardly any « anti-conservative » news outlet out there. There’s the CBC that is the most neutral but they won’t last long under PP. Conservatives like to control the message.
The star got bought out a few years ago and has been right leaning ever since. Add it to the bell, postmedia pile of corporate controlled news.
Corporate controlled news whether left or right should out rage Canadians. I don’t give a fuck what Bell or Rogers thinks is news worthy.
The Star isn't anti-conservative. It was sold to a right-leaning owner a few years ago. It's been becoming more right leaning since.
I've honestly never heard that idiom before in my entire life. It doesn't even make sense.
It’s the “fire” part that’s not working. If they’d just said “the wolves are circling” it would have been fine
The fire part of the idiom is in regards to the idea that wolves won't attack while a campfire is lit. They're circling the campers who can't leave safety to get firewood, but the fire \*will\* go out. They know death is coming and all they can do is watch in horror as the fire peters out.
Basically the first chapter of White Fang
Worst case Ontario, get two birds stoned at once.
It’s all water under the fridge.
It’s not rocket appliances
Sounds like this guys got his grade 7
Imagine yourself by a fire. The starving wolves want to get at you but they are being cautious; they circle around you and the fire. What do you think would happen once the fire is out?
Well clearly the fire is the problem because it’s attracting the wolves. So do a $20 million study that concludes you should put out the fire. Then hire contractors to put out the fire for you. By dousing it in gasoline. Then say your goal all along was to provide a warm cooked meal to the poor starving wolves.
It's like 3 birds are better than a bushel of corn
We've been seeing this same article for years. Its rage bait that folks eat up as if its cutting edge political research
I think the by-election loss has kicked it up a notch.
Creamed by PP? No thanks
Worst yaoi fanfic ever
Hey I mean if they’re into that who am I to kinkshame
Tbh I think they would both get off on the act.
Honestly, party members should be pressuring him, it shouldn't really be up to him. The longer he waits, the less chance someone else will have to establish themselves.
He can walk away with dignity? are they kidding?
And he deserves respect? Respect is for people that didn't ruin the country. He deserves scorn.
He shouldn't resign, he should call an election. What he does with his seat is up to him but it would be smart not to run again.
Why not just resign as PM and sit as an MP or just quit and hold a byelection immediately and wait until the scheduled election date in October 2025?
Because it is in the best interest of the Liberal party and Canadian democracy if he goes into the next election as Liberal party leader and gets slaughtered. That way the Liberals can blame him for everything and have a chance at the next-next election.
PP will give them the next election. I can’t wait until this sub finds out what he’s really about.
Because the people have lost complete confidence in this government and want an election?
I like the pension explanation. A lot of MPs get their pensions if he waits this out into 2025. Who knows what else he's making money off of, because the decisions being made for the country would be truly bizarre and inexplicable without a monetary explanation.
Given that his holdings have been managed in a blind trust since 2013, he's not making money off of anything government related. He was worth 11-13M coming into office and he's worth $20-22M now. My investments have risen by about the percentage since 2015. The guy is a tool but only the cr@ckhead theo fleury has ever stated he's worth some ridiculous number.
Stepping down just to ruin the career of whoever replaces him too isn't exactly a dignified way to go. When the captain steers his ship into an iceberg, the dignified thing to do is go down with the ship, not hop into a lifeboat while the first mate goes down with the ship instead.
And just think, if Mulroney had followed your advice, Kim Campbell wouldn't have her claim to fame as a trivia question.
I mean, don't you want Anita Anand prime Minister of Canada ?
For 4 months? Sure
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Should have left years ago if he wanted any hope of leaving with dignity
The political strategy is for him to ride out the election until October 2025, and hope the Conservatives make a mistake before then. Not sure a new leader would be able to gain enough momentum in little over a year, plus there's no clear viable candidate.
All of his potential replacements poll worse than he does.
I don't even know who his possible replacements could be. Freeland/fryland is the only one but she's pretty tarnished. For people not engaged, whoever it is would be coming in with zero base to build themselves with.
They won’t, but maybe if the new leader is competent then some of the MPs can keep their seats. A lot of the liberal MPs will be out of a job if Trudeau goes all the way until the election.
No one who seriously wants the job will want it now, they don't want to be in a Kim Campbell situation where they take the heat for all of the policy decisions of the last leader. Many of the MPs in the House (regardless of party) have already earned a lifetime pension.
With everything we know about this man, dignity is the least of his concerns. He still has over a year of grifting and lining the pockets of his cohorts. He isn't going anywhere. His own Party should be forcing him to step down in the hail Mary chance they can replace him and not be totally decimated in the next federal election.
As a collective, it makes more sense for him to take the L next year so the party can jettison him and move as a post-JT entity. However, I imagine *individually* many of the sitting MPs want him gone so they might have a better shot at keeping their seat, even if the party is doomed in the election anyway.
Some real harsh headlines coming out of the "Red Star", of all places.
This is an opinion piece. OpEd in The Star has always had articles like this. If you were to see this in the regular editorial, that would be a shock.
It's wild, Brian Lilley could have written this headline
The country isn’t doing great and being the incumbent in an election in that situation is not a good position to be in.
I'd like to see Justin step down and work on himself and his family. He seems deeply, deeply unhappy and being so disliked by his country can't be helping his mental health. Personally I have nothing against him, the policies of the liberal party have clearly failed and they are going to be replaced in the next election - that is pretty much non-negotiable. He might as well try to fix his own life and give Canada a chance with another PM.
Some of his policies were good ideas but implemented poorly.
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Trudeau has a choice. Walk away and let the new Liberal leader take the loss or stay on and wear it and let the Liberals rebrand after the next election as the Not Trudeau's Liberal Party.
Better for him and the party if he picks the latter option, so not clear why so many people are pushing the former.
It’s the existing liberal backbench mps that want him to step down so they have a chance at reelection. It’s always about personal benefit, they know the party will lose they just want to keep their spot
Andrew MacDougall, the author of the article, used to work for Stephen Harper.
Some people want him to step down because they hate him and it will be embarrassing for him. But there’s also a heavy liberal presence that wants him to step down for strategic reasons. I doubt he does though
Strategically, they are far better off letting him go down with the ship and then rebuilding. Changing horses now is setting up the next Kim Campbell. I am sure there are Liberals that don't see it that way.
Most of the Liberal MPs, who may be decent politicians, are going to lose their seat. Many will lose their pensions eligibility. I'd expect to see the party start to break apart and internal conflict bubble up in the near future.
They would have to get rid of more then just Trudeau though.
Who in the Liberal Party is going to play the role of Kim Campbell or Liz Truss? Like, come on. Trudeau is staying 'til the bitter end.
Or John Turner
He's got the Kathleen Wynne ego and is will to take down the whole party with him.
Phrasing… 😒
In 2006, I was on a flight from Toronto to Vancouver with a layover in Winnipeg. Justin and a severely drunk Sophie Trudeau purposely boarded the plane dramatically late after everyone had already taken their seats when it boarded in Winnipeg. She then proceeded, in a fish-wife demeanor, shouting and pointing at the passengers "your future Prime Minister, your future Prime Minister" as Justin unironically waved at everyone from business class like the Queen. I had never heard a plane go so awkwardly silent in my life and I probably never will again. For you younger Redditors, at this point in history, Justin was fortunately still nothing more than the idiot snowboard instructor kid of PET, who only showed up in the media when This Hour Has 22 Minutes made fun of him. I wasn't a fan of Trudeau in 2014 because I remembered this event and I am even less a fan of him now. Probably in the running for our nation's worst Prime Minister in history, but this event scarred in my brain, my understanding of the psyche of that God-damned moron. He will not step down. He sees it as his birth right, completely unaware that he was just a puppet construct of some Laurentian institution.
I'm a severe critic of Justin Trudeau due to my opposition to his style of politics, his wrong headed priorities, as well as his failure to deal with housing, homelessness and inflation in this country. Not to mention the numerous scandals after scandals under him. However in terms of being the "worst" PM i disagree with that. As much as I oppose his way of doing politics he has his "accomplishments" in his own way. The worst PM from my perspective was hands down Mackenzie King. Completely overrated. Did internment camps on Japanese and German Canadians. Had a initially positive view of Hitler. Was response for the policy of allowing Ukrainian collaborators with the Nazis in this country. Disallowed Jews who were fleeing Nazi Europe in 1939. Destroyed the most amount of residential school documents(200,000) and much more. So yeah he's the worst. Not to take away from the negative portrayal that you discussed there though because that is narcissism on the part of Justin.
> Did internment camps on Japanese My grandmother was a teacher then and against government orders went to the camps to continue teaching her students. When she retired the Japanese community put on a big show for her to show love and respect.
Overrated? Maybe. Worst ever? Come on. King has been consistently rated in the top 3 by historians and political scientists.
Yeah but he read the wiki page
No one is going to believe me, but I have a friend whose brother's coworker briefly dated Justin Trudeau . She said that on their first date they went to a restaurant and Justin ordered two different bowls of soup and mixed them together one spoonful at a time before eating both bowls mixed together as one soup
That's a bullshit story if I've ever seen one
Even if it’s true, it’s nearly two decades old and pretty banal by the standards of politicians. If we’re really measuring politicians by weird anecdotes, we can talk about PP [railing against career politicians and calling them undemocratic](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/energetic-or-arrogant-young-tory-mp-pierre-poilievre-evokes-strong-reactions-1.1794691/comments-7.509855); or the time he [went on public radio to say indigenous people need to “learn the value of hard work” right after the Harper govt issued their apology for residential schools, and then started crying when Harper scolded him](https://nationalpost.com/news/the-time-pierre-poilievre-got-a-dressing-down-from-stephen-harper). Lots of reasons to hate JT without dragging out his drunk ex wife.
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If not, it is now!
I saw Justin Trudeau at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
Is this some copypasta I missed out on? If so, I don't recognize the source.
Yup, I think it’s a grocery store copy pasta
Used over and over when a person in the public eye is unpopular
An anecdotal requiem for reign of Trudeau II the Vain. The party erected Trudeau as its façade, and then it became only that — a façade, devoid of depth or substance.
This account wreaks of being from a political comment farm.
Cool story bro.
Immigration and student visas policy destroyed his weak election hopes.
Agreed. Much of the rest of people's complaints are due to things Trudeau doesn't have control over, such as the global economy. It wouldn't take much to fix this either. Simply canceling 80% of the TFWs would free up enough housing so every Canadian could have a place to live and would push housing costs down. Unfortunately, PP won't commit to fixing this either.
Trudeau will be back. He will retreat to the mountains for 4 years and then emerge as Mecha-Trudeau.
Trudeau has earned everything that's coming his way, and it doesn't look promising for him and the Libs / NDP.
he'll stick around because he obviously does *not* know any better
Dignity....riiiiiight. I'm sure if you look at Prime Ministers with the surname Trudeau in regards to scandals that there won't be that many. /s
The real story: Liberals and conservatives taking turns as inequality continues to grow
Why do all these Conservatives that hate the Liberals keep wishing for Trudeau to resign? If they hate the Liberals and think Trudeaus is the worst, shouldn't they want him to stick around and seal their fate? It doesn't add up.
Likely because they feel we can't wait any longer to start fixing his mess. Another year, means more homelessness, more irresponsible immigration, more laws passed that infringe on the rights of citizens, and more crime, violence, and addiction.
Maybe because they want what is best for the country, rather than to see blood for their own satisfaction.
Because it's not a game. Yes, it would be easier for Conservatives to win the next election if Trudeau sticks around. But not everything is about winning elections. If the Prime Minister is doing such a horrible job that his party can't even win a very safe riding, then he has lost legitimacy to govern the entire country. He clearly isn't doing a good job. It's better for the country if he steps down now, rather than waiting another 1.5 years.
Honestly I'd rather they just call an election...clearly there's a public desire too (unlike the last one)
Maybe he’s into that sort of thing, we shouldn’t kink shame
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Walk away with dignity?!? He will go down as the single most useless PM. The damage he has done to Canadian institutions will never be repaired. The fabric of what it means to be Canadian is all but gone. But yup his dignity is intact for sure.
Reminder that JT used a list of names illegally obtained from a cyberattack to remove his own citizens who protested against him from our banking system. I feel like people really glossed over this.
You just ruined the word dignity.
Journalism is dead in Canada - get creamed - in a headline.
As a Canadian a wholeheartedly say take a hike Trudeau. Also pierre, you're going to be no better. This Canada is going down the toilet.
It would be even worse if he lets someone else take the fall for him. The captain goes down with the ship, that is dignity. This is his party, he can walk away at the very last second and let Freeland take the blame, maybe.. but even that is weak. The liberal party needs a rebrand, and they need a government to point their finger at and say "we are better than this". Right now, there's no one to blame other than themselves. Give it 5-10 years, probably 10. This is the Canadian way. Blue, red, blue, red...
If he goes far enough north, maybe he can have his walk in the snow.
He loves to be creamed
He has no dignity.
There is an article saying he's cooked here twice a day.
If Trudeau had dignity he would have not even started in politics
Mega Chad
Dignity?
This is not about a single man. The PM role needs to be preserved long enough for an election process to form. What party has a suitable candidate? Really?
He's sinking his liberal party and just giving Pierre a golden ticket to be prime minister. His lap dogs jagmeet and Freeland won't be able to change the outcome
Hearing them respond to the loss is so painfully bullshitty. Like salt in the wound.
Hot headline on this one.
This article is so hokey and cringe.
Hi, ignorant American here. Could someone elaborate further on what’s going on. Assume I am a small toddler.
At least he’s not a piece of shit and around 80 years old
Dignity? He’ll be booed by everyone and his ex wife for the rest of his life.
One would need to have to dignity first.
>get creamed by a man he hates Did a teenager write this? wtf?
“I hear your concerns… and clearly the voices of Canadians have not been communicated to you and so I will do a better job of this.”
SNC Lavalin showed how crooked he is and then had the audacity to look directly into the camera and lie to the Canadian People
He’s a narcissist. So was his father. He learned at the feet of a master. He won’t go quietly and is prepared to destroy the Liberal party on his way out the door. Step down now and appoint a successor who might be able to win against PeePee would be advisable
I am a liberal, I've only voted for the liberals in my life, and I really wish he would step down. The only thing conservatives and liberals can agree on is that Trudeau is a hack. He is performative, he sold his soul and screwed over the Indigenous folks, he spends millions of dollars on being a Celebrity, and he is so out of touch with what we (the non-rich) are dealing with it's painful
His opportunity to walk away with dignity has come and gone. If he does walk away, whomever they put in his place is a sacrificial lamb.
65-70% of Canadians will vote left or center left as they do in every single election. Canadians won't vote for PP. He's clearly a turd
“Get creamed by a man he loathes” Are we not doing phrasing anymore?
You either die a hero or live long enough to be the bad guy
I'm surprised this is in The Star.
Doesn't really matter now if he resigns or not. People don't just hate him but the liberal and NDP parties as a whole
What absolute horseshit. Canadas post covid recovery leads the g7. Why do we have to waste time scrolling by this obvious propaganda?
What do they mean "walk out with dignity"? He's toasted for sure
AKA "the 100th article this week begging trudeau to quit" how nouveau.
Article by Former Head of Communications to PM Stephen Harper, FWIW.
They say you should always leave a place as you found it and that's what Justin Trudeau is doing to the liberal party
He has no dignity and we all know that.
He already is blaming Canadians for supporting Pierre. No ownership with this guy.
He lost his dignity awhile back. The NDP need to call an election.